Let’s play, ‘Imagine If A Democrat Had Said This’

[GaryC 7]

Rush Limbaugh - You can't believe what this man says or thinks, if you do, than WOW Just the fact that his name is in the article, is enough for me to throw up. Why didn't he get locked up for drugs, he himself said that is what should happen to you when you use drugs. I HATE HATE HATE HATE HATE HIM!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! He should be doing twenty to life for his drug habit, others are, why not him? Talk about slapping the American public's face, he is showing that it is ok if your rich and white to do drugs, but for the poor non-white folks, LOCK EM UP FOR LIFE. Please, if you buy his #### than I have some oceanside property to sell ya.

Thats a nice tolerant liberal viewpoint you have there. I see conservatives don't have a lock on hatred. Please carry on, I find this insight into the liberal mind very enlightening.

Gary, you know how Liberals think, right? They're "tolerant and understanding" of someone's viewpoint so long as that person outwardly agrees with them. Otherwise, that person is a racist, sexist, bigoted extremist lunatic who needs to be locked away until such time they either learn to agree with Liberals or they're written off as complete sociopaths.

In all fairness, Conservatives aren't much better about this, but at least they don't attempt to "hide" their feelings and motives behind the guise of "equality and compassion." That's what I find truly distasteful. If you want to think one way, that's fine. I don't really care. However, if you insist on publicly promoting certain values and ideals, do it. Don't say one thing and do another.

All sides have their lunatics, that is true. But Steven has got his #### caught in the door with this one. He has repeatedly posted pictures of KKK members whenever an issue of extremists comes up. He is implying that the reps are the party of racism, intolerance and hatred. Then he turns around and says "woops! I didn't mean to say that all reps are like that". But he knows full well that is the impression he wants to put forward. All he is doing is showing that he is the one that is intolerant and prejudicial. At the risk of sounding like the other side of his coin I see a lot of that from the liberals. They claim to be the "big tent" party and are accepting of other peoples views but in reality they "hate hate hate hate" anyone that they do not agree with. I think it's call "two faced", right?

[one...two...tree 2,762]

Okay, Gary...find any article that supports your notion that the KKK and Neo-nazi's of today (within the last 20 years) who vote or support Democrat positions.

In the meantime...

Ku Klux Klan Rallies in Support of Republican Proposition 2

American White Knights of the Ku Klux Klan staged a rally Saturday afternoon in Austin, Texas in support of Republican initiated Proposition 2, a ballot initiative to amend the Texas Constitution, upon which Texans will vote in Tuesday's election.

The Texas Republican Party platform promised to enact the constitutional amendment supported by the KKK.

Proposition 2 was introduced and passed by the Republican Texas legislature, signed by Republican Governor Rick Perry, promoted by Republican Party financed advertising and op-ed pieces written by Texas Republican Party Chairwoman Tina Benkiser.

At a June, 2005 signing ceremony for the legislation placing Proposition 2 on the Texas ballot, Rod Parsley, of the Center for Moral Clarity in Ohio said, "It seems to me that people of the great state of Texas will be silent no more... Folks in this room understand, God is still watching."

At the June event, Republican Governor Perry claimed that "Texans have made a decision about marriage." and invited those who disagree with Republicans to move from Texas to a "better state for them to live."

Klan Chaplain Steven Edwards echoed the Republican position and Governor Perry's remarks at today's Klan rally when he said, "We're asking Texans to vote for Proposition No. 2, not because the Ku Klux Klan supports it, but because God supports it."

http://blog.radioleft.com/blog/_archives/2.../5/1349403.html

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Rep. Poe Quotes Ku Klux Klan Grand Wizard On House Floor

Yesterday on the House floor, Rep. Ted Poe (R-TX) argued that the United States needs to immediately authorize funds for the war in Iraq. “Congress needs to quit talking about supporting the troops and put money where our mouths seem to be,” said Poe.

To make his case, he quoted “successful Confederate general” Nathan Bedford Forrest, but left out the fact that Forrest was also one of the original Grand Wizards of the Ku Klux Klan.

Poe’s spokeswoman tried to justify the reference to Forrest, stating, that it “was used in an historical context comparing the request to Congress for support of the Confederate troops to the request that is being made today by our Generals in Iraq.” (Roll Call adds that it’s actually a misquote of Forrest as well.)

So remember, it’s perfectly fine to quote KKK Grand Wizards to make your argument, as long as it’s in a “historical context.”

http://thinkprogress.org/2007/05/08/poe-kkk/

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Hannity Denies Past Association With White Supremacist But Evidence Suggests Otherwise

Sean Hannity was confronted about his own past association with white supremacist Hal Turner. First Hannity denied knowing Turner, then he said he had

In fact, the information about Hannity’s association with Turner comes from an article by Max Blumenthal in the online version of The Nation magazine, dated June 3, 2005. And while it may be a stretch to say that Hannity "backed Turner's career," there's little doubt that Hannity promoted Turner's views. To quote from the article:

Turner was once a prominent activist in New Jersey's Republican Party. To area conservatives, he was best known by his moniker for call-ins to the Sean Hannity Show, "Hal from North Bergen." For years, Hannity offered his top-rated radio show as a regular forum for Turner's occasionally racist, always over-the-top rants. Hannity also chatted with him off-air, allegedly offering encouragement to Turner as he struggled to overcome a cocaine habit and homosexual leanings. Turner has boasted that Hannity once invited Turner and his son on to the set of Fox News's Hannity and Colmes. Today, Turner lurks on the fringes of the far right, spouting hate-laced tirades on his webcast radio show. Hannity, meanwhile, remains mum about his former alliance with the neo-Nazi, homing in instead on the supposed racism of black and Latino Democrats.

…On WABC Hannity inherited (Bob) Grant's fan base of angry white males, who listened to his show in the New York City area. Hannity recognized his audience's thirst for red meat, racist rhetoric. However, he knew that if he wanted to avoid Grant's fate, he needed an air of deniability. When "Hal from North Bergen" began calling his show, Hannity found he could avoid the dangers of direct race-baiting by simply outsourcing it to Turner.

During an August 1998 episode of the show, Turner reminded Hannity that were it not for the graciousness of the white man, "black people would still be swinging on trees in Africa," according to Daryle Jenkins, co-founder of the New Jersey-based antiracism group One People's Project. Instead of rebuking Turner or cutting him off, Hannity continued to welcome his calls. On December 10 of the following year, Turner called Hannity's show to announce his campaign to run for a seat in the US House of Representatives from New Jersey, and to attack his presumptive opponent, Democratic Representative Robert Menendez, as a "left-wing nut."long ago banned Turner from his show. While it’s probably true that Hannity banned Turner, what Hannity didn’t mention is that before Turner got banned, he was regularly welcomed on Hannity’s show, even after saying on the air that if it weren’t for the graciousness of white people, "black people would still be swinging on trees in Africa."

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http://www.newshounds.us/2008/03/20/hannit...s_otherwise.php

[Trumplestiltskin 5,791]

Yeah I'm not sure which extremist groups could be referred to as "liberal" - environmental activists and some of the more radical animal rights groups perhaps.

The KKK and other White Supremacist types have an ideology that has its roots in nationalism - which is surely the province of "conservatism"...

[one...two...tree 2,762]

Yeah I'm not sure which extremist groups could be referred to as "liberal" - environmental activists and some of the more radical animal rights groups perhaps.

The KKK and other White Supremacist types have an ideology that has its roots in nationalism - which is surely the province of "conservatism"...

...and I'm not going to condemn the GOP for it, but I hate it when big mouths like Limbaugh try to paint liberals as extremists.

[GaryC 7]

Okay, Gary...find any article that supports your notion that the KKK and Neo-nazi's of today (within the last 20 years) who vote or support Democrat positions.

In the meantime...

Ku Klux Klan Rallies in Support of Republican Proposition 2

American White Knights of the Ku Klux Klan staged a rally Saturday afternoon in Austin, Texas in support of Republican initiated Proposition 2, a ballot initiative to amend the Texas Constitution, upon which Texans will vote in Tuesday's election.

The Texas Republican Party platform promised to enact the constitutional amendment supported by the KKK.

Proposition 2 was introduced and passed by the Republican Texas legislature, signed by Republican Governor Rick Perry, promoted by Republican Party financed advertising and op-ed pieces written by Texas Republican Party Chairwoman Tina Benkiser.

At a June, 2005 signing ceremony for the legislation placing Proposition 2 on the Texas ballot, Rod Parsley, of the Center for Moral Clarity in Ohio said, "It seems to me that people of the great state of Texas will be silent no more... Folks in this room understand, God is still watching."

At the June event, Republican Governor Perry claimed that "Texans have made a decision about marriage." and invited those who disagree with Republicans to move from Texas to a "better state for them to live."

Klan Chaplain Steven Edwards echoed the Republican position and Governor Perry's remarks at today's Klan rally when he said, "We're asking Texans to vote for Proposition No. 2, not because the Ku Klux Klan supports it, but because God supports it."

http://blog.radioleft.com/blog/_archives/2.../5/1349403.html

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Rep. Poe Quotes Ku Klux Klan Grand Wizard On House Floor

Yesterday on the House floor, Rep. Ted Poe (R-TX) argued that the United States needs to immediately authorize funds for the war in Iraq. “Congress needs to quit talking about supporting the troops and put money where our mouths seem to be,” said Poe.

To make his case, he quoted “successful Confederate general” Nathan Bedford Forrest, but left out the fact that Forrest was also one of the original Grand Wizards of the Ku Klux Klan.

Poe’s spokeswoman tried to justify the reference to Forrest, stating, that it “was used in an historical context comparing the request to Congress for support of the Confederate troops to the request that is being made today by our Generals in Iraq.” (Roll Call adds that it’s actually a misquote of Forrest as well.)

So remember, it’s perfectly fine to quote KKK Grand Wizards to make your argument, as long as it’s in a “historical context.”

http://thinkprogress.org/2007/05/08/poe-kkk/

.....

Hannity Denies Past Association With White Supremacist But Evidence Suggests Otherwise

Sean Hannity was confronted about his own past association with white supremacist Hal Turner. First Hannity denied knowing Turner, then he said he had

In fact, the information about Hannity’s association with Turner comes from an article by Max Blumenthal in the online version of The Nation magazine, dated June 3, 2005. And while it may be a stretch to say that Hannity "backed Turner's career," there's little doubt that Hannity promoted Turner's views. To quote from the article:

Turner was once a prominent activist in New Jersey's Republican Party. To area conservatives, he was best known by his moniker for call-ins to the Sean Hannity Show, "Hal from North Bergen." For years, Hannity offered his top-rated radio show as a regular forum for Turner's occasionally racist, always over-the-top rants. Hannity also chatted with him off-air, allegedly offering encouragement to Turner as he struggled to overcome a cocaine habit and homosexual leanings. Turner has boasted that Hannity once invited Turner and his son on to the set of Fox News's Hannity and Colmes. Today, Turner lurks on the fringes of the far right, spouting hate-laced tirades on his webcast radio show. Hannity, meanwhile, remains mum about his former alliance with the neo-Nazi, homing in instead on the supposed racism of black and Latino Democrats.

…On WABC Hannity inherited (Bob) Grant's fan base of angry white males, who listened to his show in the New York City area. Hannity recognized his audience's thirst for red meat, racist rhetoric. However, he knew that if he wanted to avoid Grant's fate, he needed an air of deniability. When "Hal from North Bergen" began calling his show, Hannity found he could avoid the dangers of direct race-baiting by simply outsourcing it to Turner.

During an August 1998 episode of the show, Turner reminded Hannity that were it not for the graciousness of the white man, "black people would still be swinging on trees in Africa," according to Daryle Jenkins, co-founder of the New Jersey-based antiracism group One People's Project. Instead of rebuking Turner or cutting him off, Hannity continued to welcome his calls. On December 10 of the following year, Turner called Hannity's show to announce his campaign to run for a seat in the US House of Representatives from New Jersey, and to attack his presumptive opponent, Democratic Representative Robert Menendez, as a "left-wing nut."long ago banned Turner from his show. While it’s probably true that Hannity banned Turner, what Hannity didn’t mention is that before Turner got banned, he was regularly welcomed on Hannity’s show, even after saying on the air that if it weren’t for the graciousness of white people, "black people would still be swinging on trees in Africa."

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http://www.newshounds.us/2008/03/20/hannit...s_otherwise.php

Ah, so the war in Iraq and gay marriage are now White Supremacists issues? Quoting a civil war general makes the whole issue one of a KKK issue? Nice try. That is more of the same innuendo that you have been posting. That is more of trying to paint the republicans as the party of racism while those two stories have nothing to do with racism.

Steven, you know I like you as a person but in your misguided efforts to be "cute" your really rubbing me the wrong way. I find your innuendo and thinly veiled accusations to be very insulting. I think it would be best if I start taking a hands off approach to your posts. Have a nice life and I hope you can finally let go of your prejudice in regard to people you don't agree with.

[DeadPoolX 9]

Yeah I'm not sure which extremist groups could be referred to as "liberal" - environmental activists and some of the more radical animal rights groups perhaps.

The KKK and other White Supremacist types have an ideology that has its roots in nationalism - which is surely the province of "conservatism"...

...and I'm not going to condemn the GOP for it, but I hate it when big mouths like Limbaugh try to paint liberals as extremists.

Steven... anyone can an extremist, just as any group can be extremist as well. There's no requirement that says "you must be of one ideology or another to go on this ride."

[dalegg 143]

Damn Gary, why don't you just answer the original question? The answer is--

They get re-elected.

Maxine Waters on LA riots-

Waters said "If you call it a riot it sounds like it was just a bunch of crazy people who went out and did bad things for no reason. I maintain it was somewhat understandable, if not acceptable. So I call it a rebellion."[5] She also said it was "a spontaneous reaction to a lot of injustice" and "The anger in my district is righteous. I'm just as angry as they are." She dismissed the mass looting of Korean-owned stores by saying: "There were mothers who took this as an opportunity to take some milk, to take some bread, to take some shoes. They are not crooks."

Otherwise, this is a pretty weak example Steven. Rush Limbaugh- a Right Wing Conservative- says riots within in the Democratic Party would be good for the Republican party (True), so Liberals will go ahead and listen to Rush and start Rioting....Because democrats always do what Rush hopes they will do. Well, actually a lot of times they do.

[GaryC 7]

Yeah I'm not sure which extremist groups could be referred to as "liberal" - environmental activists and some of the more radical animal rights groups perhaps.

The KKK and other White Supremacist types have an ideology that has its roots in nationalism - which is surely the province of "conservatism"...

Some of the anti-war activists are very extreme. Some of the pro abortion activists are very extreme. So yes, the left also has it's extremists.

Nationalism and religious, racial and ethnic hatred are not the same thing. Just because the KKK may be nationalists does not mean that conservatism is bigoted.

[Trumplestiltskin 5,791]

Yeah I'm not sure which extremist groups could be referred to as "liberal" - environmental activists and some of the more radical animal rights groups perhaps.

The KKK and other White Supremacist types have an ideology that has its roots in nationalism - which is surely the province of "conservatism"...

Some of the anti-war activists are very extreme. Some of the pro abortion activists are very extreme. So yes, the left also has it's extremists.

Nationalism and religious, racial and ethnic hatred are not the same thing. Just because the KKK may be nationalists does not mean that conservatism is bigoted.

Of course it doesn't.

[Trumplestiltskin 5,791]

Edited to add: That's my whole problem with people like Limbaugh - there's no debate, no room for a counterpoint. Either you agree or you're automatically characterised as part of some sort of mythical "far left".

If we had a polar opposite to Rush, that person would be constantly whipping out the "Nazi" label as soon as anyone else opened their mouth;. I'm sure you'll agree that that $hit gets old real fast, and an overused label becomes essentially meaningless.

What is "far left" anyway? To my mind that's communism (are there many communists in mainstream America - I rather doubt it) - but Rush uses it the label on moderates and centrists. Basically anyone who actually wants a back and forth debate.

Edited April 26, 2008 by Number 6

[GaryC 7]

Edited to add: That's my whole problem with people like Limbaugh - there's no debate, no room for a counterpoint. Either you agree or you're automatically characterised as part of some sort of mythical "far left".

If we had a polar opposite to Rush, that person would be constantly whipping out the "Nazi" label as soon as anyone else opened their mouth;. I'm sure you'll agree that that $hit gets old real fast, and an overused label becomes essentially meaningless.

What is "far left" anyway? To my mind that's communism - but the way Rush uses it the label applies even to moderates and centrists.

Rush is a commentator, nothing more. I listen to him very little these days and when I do it's for the entertainment factor. I don't understand the virulent hatred he stirs up though. If you don't like him then don't listen to him. And we do have a polar opposite to Rush. Several in fact. Micheal Moore is the first one that comes to mind. Instead of a radio show he makes movies. I don't agree with him, I think he is an idiot but I don't say I "hate hate hate hate" him. The most I will do is ignore him. That is the proper reaction to someone you completely disagree with.

[DeadPoolX 9]

Yeah I'm not sure which extremist groups could be referred to as "liberal" - environmental activists and some of the more radical animal rights groups perhaps.

The KKK and other White Supremacist types have an ideology that has its roots in nationalism - which is surely the province of "conservatism"...

Some of the anti-war activists are very extreme. Some of the pro abortion activists are very extreme. So yes, the left also has it's extremists.

Nationalism and religious, racial and ethnic hatred are not the same thing. Just because the KKK may be nationalists does not mean that conservatism is bigoted.

Honestly, I think it's wrong of anyone to say they aren't the least bit prejudiced towards another group. I know we'd all like to think we aren't that way, but we're human. None of us are perfect. We all have some sort of prejudice somewhere and against some group, whether or not we wish to admit to ourselves or anyone else. This prejudicial feeling may not be a very strong one, but I can assure you, it's still there.

[Trumplestiltskin 5,791]

Edited to add: That's my whole problem with people like Limbaugh - there's no debate, no room for a counterpoint. Either you agree or you're automatically characterised as part of some sort of mythical "far left".

If we had a polar opposite to Rush, that person would be constantly whipping out the "Nazi" label as soon as anyone else opened their mouth;. I'm sure you'll agree that that $hit gets old real fast, and an overused label becomes essentially meaningless.

What is "far left" anyway? To my mind that's communism - but the way Rush uses it the label applies even to moderates and centrists.

Rush is a commentator, nothing more. I listen to him very little these days and when I do it's for the entertainment factor. I don't understand the virulent hatred he stirs up though. If you don't like him then don't listen to him. And we do have a polar opposite to Rush. Several in fact. Micheal Moore is the first one that comes to mind. Instead of a radio show he makes movies. I don't agree with him, I think he is an idiot but I don't say I "hate hate hate hate" him. The most I will do is ignore him. That is the proper reaction to someone you completely disagree with.

I do ignore Rush - I don't listen to him and I don't quote him.

[one...two...tree 2,762]

Yeah I'm not sure which extremist groups could be referred to as "liberal" - environmental activists and some of the more radical animal rights groups perhaps.

The KKK and other White Supremacist types have an ideology that has its roots in nationalism - which is surely the province of "conservatism"...

...and I'm not going to condemn the GOP for it, but I hate it when big mouths like Limbaugh try to paint liberals as extremists.

Steven... anyone can an extremist, just as any group can be extremist as well. There's no requirement that says "you must be of one ideology or another to go on this ride."

Exactly my point...can you write to Limbaugh now and try to convince him of that truth? He seems to think it's only liberals who have extremists.

[one...two...tree 2,762]

Rush Limbaugh- a Right Wing Conservative- says riots within in the Democratic Party would be good for the Republican party (True), so Liberals will go ahead and listen to Rush and start Rioting....Because democrats always do what Rush hopes they will do. Well, actually a lot of times they do.

So turn that around and imagine the reaction if someone on the left comparable to Limbaugh (Michael Moore) were to use the same type of sarcasm and tell people to go riot at the Republican Convention. That is the whole crux of this thread. The Right would have a field day with it...and people like Sean Hannity would be demanding Moore be arrested for terrorism.