Russia girls are amazing!

[JULIAFERNO 0]

I've heard these stories too. They don't take no for an answer when you tell them you are not interested. And they call every Russian woman "Natasha" at the resorts. (Which I heard is their way of referring to you as a #######.) Alla told me they even, have the nerve to, do it in front of you when escorted by your husband!

It is true that Russian women tend to have a bit of a bad reputation in Turkey as there is a high percentage of Russian (among other previously Soviet-Union countries) prostitutes in Turkey. It is unfortunate for the Russian women who simply want to visit and vacation along Turkey's beautiful Mediterranean coast.

Turkey is also a more conservative country due to it's Muslim heritage, so foreign women who dress the way they might at home might not receive the best responses. Sad but true. I did not bring any short skirts or low-cut tops with me to Turkey.

It's a very patriarchal culture (atleast compared to my liberal American upbringing), and at times was very hard for me to deal with.

Thankfully my fiance is quite the opposite...sometimes I wonder where he came from

[visaveteran1 33]

I've heard these stories too. They don't take no for an answer when you tell them you are not interested. And they call every Russian woman "Natasha" at the resorts. (Which I heard is their way of referring to you as a #######.) Alla told me they even, have the nerve to, do it in front of you when escorted by your husband!

It is true that Russian women tend to have a bit of a bad reputation in Turkey as there is a high percentage of Russian (among other previously Soviet-Union countries) prostitutes in Turkey. It is unfortunate for the Russian women who simply want to visit and vacation along Turkey's beautiful Mediterranean coast.

Turkey is also a more conservative country due to it's Muslim heritage, so foreign women who dress the way they might at home might not receive the best responses. Sad but true. I did not bring any short skirts or low-cut tops with me to Turkey.

It's a very patriarchal culture (atleast compared to my liberal American upbringing), and at times was very hard for me to deal with.

Thankfully my fiance is quite the opposite...sometimes I wonder where he came from

The notorious Turkish men don't just focus on Russian women...they're quite open-minded about harassing women from Europe, the UK, and yes, our own USA women. They love blonds...of course. I got a close up view of Turks in Cyprus. Non confrontational? How about invading an island?

It begins with the bell hops and moves up the food chain. Russian women know how to push back but I feel sorry for unsuspecting women with less strength.

Your romanticized view of the Turkish male culture is...quaint.

[Kotenochek 0]

I turned down a job in LA that was more than double my salary ...

You could double my current salary and I wouldn't live in LA. I love Northern California. Southern California is a different story. There are some nice areas, but for the most part LA is a cesspool.

I very much agree with you!Northern Ca is so different from south..Like different countries...but there are other things rather than difficulties in economics,such as perfect climate and ecology..air is so fresh,we have dears running all over...I just love that about North of CA!

We own our house and its not 500 000 as somebody-sorry don"t remember who mentioned,its around 650K and not the best you could get in this area,but we are young and working out the mortgage which is a big honour to us..

I was today with my niece in a kindgarden or pre-school,anyway..i was shocked of the culture,they teach kids age 4 that having no job means being a looser!We def.dont have that in russia..In russia you always have support of your family friends and relatives..you never considered loser even if you actually are:)So i guess thats a reason of states being More rich country..

Talking about other states,yes cost of living might be cheaper,but what about tornados?even idea of it freaks me out...but mortgage of 200 000 is quite tempting i would say:)Lucky you:)))

[JULIAFERNO 0]

I've heard these stories too. They don't take no for an answer when you tell them you are not interested. And they call every Russian woman "Natasha" at the resorts. (Which I heard is their way of referring to you as a #######.) Alla told me they even, have the nerve to, do it in front of you when escorted by your husband!

It is true that Russian women tend to have a bit of a bad reputation in Turkey as there is a high percentage of Russian (among other previously Soviet-Union countries) prostitutes in Turkey. It is unfortunate for the Russian women who simply want to visit and vacation along Turkey's beautiful Mediterranean coast.

Turkey is also a more conservative country due to it's Muslim heritage, so foreign women who dress the way they might at home might not receive the best responses. Sad but true. I did not bring any short skirts or low-cut tops with me to Turkey.

It's a very patriarchal culture (atleast compared to my liberal American upbringing), and at times was very hard for me to deal with.

Thankfully my fiance is quite the opposite...sometimes I wonder where he came from

The notorious Turkish men don't just focus on Russian women...they're quite open-minded about harassing women from Europe, the UK, and yes, our own USA women. They love blonds...of course. I got a close up view of Turks in Cyprus. Non confrontational? How about invading an island?

It begins with the bell hops and moves up the food chain. Russian women know how to push back but I feel sorry for unsuspecting women with less strength.

Your romanticized view of the Turkish male culture is...quaint.

Woah. First of all - Cyprus and Turkey are very different. Cyprus is much more European and modernized than Turkey. Second - did you not see my statement, "It's a very patriarchal culture...and at times was very hard for me to deal with." Just ask my fiance about my "romaticized" view of Turkish male culture and he'll burst into laughter. I jokingly (yet half-seriously) threatened to start a womens right's movement while I lived there...I'm sure that would have gone over well.

Anyways, all I am saying is that I was never once harassed by a male in Turkey. Maybe it's because I'm not blond.

P.S. I resent your innuation that I am a "unsuspecting woman with less strength" and that my view is quaint. I'd venture to say that your rude rhetoric is no better than the Turks you so despise.

Edited April 8, 2008 by JULIAFERNO

[visaveteran1 33]

I've heard these stories too. They don't take no for an answer when you tell them you are not interested. And they call every Russian woman "Natasha" at the resorts. (Which I heard is their way of referring to you as a #######.) Alla told me they even, have the nerve to, do it in front of you when escorted by your husband!

It is true that Russian women tend to have a bit of a bad reputation in Turkey as there is a high percentage of Russian (among other previously Soviet-Union countries) prostitutes in Turkey. It is unfortunate for the Russian women who simply want to visit and vacation along Turkey's beautiful Mediterranean coast.

Turkey is also a more conservative country due to it's Muslim heritage, so foreign women who dress the way they might at home might not receive the best responses. Sad but true. I did not bring any short skirts or low-cut tops with me to Turkey.

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It's a very patriarchal culture (atleast compared to my liberal American upbringing), and at times was very hard for me to deal with.

Thankfully my fiance is quite the opposite...sometimes I wonder where he came from

The notorious Turkish men don't just focus on Russian women...they're quite open-minded about harassing women from Europe, the UK, and yes, our own USA women. They love blonds...of course. I got a close up view of Turks in Cyprus. Non confrontational? How about invading an island?

It begins with the bell hops and moves up the food chain. Russian women know how to push back but I feel sorry for unsuspecting women with less strength.

Your romanticized view of the Turkish male culture is...quaint.

Woah. First of all - Cyprus and Turkey are very different. Cyprus is much more European and modernized than Turkey. Second - did you not see my statement, "It's a very patriarchal culture...and at times was very hard for me to deal with." Just ask my fiance about my "romaticized" view of Turkish male culture and he'll burst into laughter. I jokingly (yet half-seriously) threatened to start a womens right's movement while I lived there...I'm sure that would have gone over well.

Anyways, all I am saying is that I was never once harassed by a male in Turkey. Maybe it's because I'm not blond.

P.S. I resent your innuation that I am a "unsuspecting woman with less strength" and that my view is quaint. I'd venture to say that your rude rhetoric is no better than the Turks you so despise.

Turkish Cyprus like the whole island is not modern at all...far from it. i don't despise Turkisk men...just describing them as I see them and from hearing things from many sources. Most stereotypes contain some element of truth. Many Turks certainly won't be confused for soft-handed gentlemen.

I did not mean you when I said "unsuspecting blah blah." You sound like you can take care of yourself.

You were ok insinuating many Russian women in Turkey are hookers and so should expect to be treated poorly. Nobody, including hookers, deserves poor or demeaning treatment. Sounded kind of sideways to me. And you're a woman...what happened to sisterhood?

And you insinuated American men are worse than Turkish men regards interacting with women. As an American man, I take exception to that. Maybe you need to check your style of communicating about Russian women and American men on THE RUSSIAN FORUM.

The romanticized comment flowed from your "non confrontational comment," and simply because you didn't get your butt pinched while you were there, we all must be misguided or full of it.

Turkey is far from conservative when compared to hardcore Islam like Iran. Even more so then Egypt. Turkish women wear western clothes and have good jobs even in government. Turkey wants into the EU.

I suspect you got your back up about the negative comments about your guys "brothers." I understand that. Good for you to love your guy and want to support him. I'm glad you found a good guy. He sounds like a gentleman and willing to criticize his own people when justified. You will probably struggle with how Muslims treat women...but unless you plan to live there, you won't need to address that issue very much if your guy is modern and enlightened.

Yes, the "quaint' comment was tweaking your nose...but you're a big girl. Yes? Loose the attitude and you'll find us very trainable and we do tricks on this forum.

[Kazan' Tiger 1]

I don't know any young (even older for that matter) Russian woman that would not have this as her wardrobe for rest! Conservative non-revealing clothing on a Russian girl-??? Ain't going to happen!

It is true that Russian women tend to have a bit of a bad reputation in Turkey as there is a high percentage of Russian (among other previously Soviet-Union countries) prostitutes in Turkey. It is unfortunate for the Russian women who simply want to visit and vacation along Turkey's beautiful Mediterranean coast.

Turkey is also a more conservative country due to it's Muslim heritage, so foreign women who dress the way they might at home might not receive the best responses. Sad but true. I did not bring any short skirts or low-cut tops with me to Turkey.

It's a very patriarchal culture (atleast compared to my liberal American upbringing), and at times was very hard for me to deal with.

Thankfully my fiance is quite the opposite...sometimes I wonder where he came from

[visaveteran1 33]

I don't know any young (even older for that matter) Russian woman that would not have this as her wardrobe for rest! Conservative non-revealing clothing on a Russian girl-??? Ain't going to happen!

It is true that Russian women tend to have a bit of a bad reputation in Turkey as there is a high percentage of Russian (among other previously Soviet-Union countries) prostitutes in Turkey. It is unfortunate for the Russian women who simply want to visit and vacation along Turkey's beautiful Mediterranean coast.

Turkey is also a more conservative country due to it's Muslim heritage, so foreign women who dress the way they might at home might not receive the best responses. Sad but true. I did not bring any short skirts or low-cut tops with me to Turkey.

It's a very patriarchal culture (atleast compared to my liberal American upbringing), and at times was very hard for me to deal with.

Thankfully my fiance is quite the opposite...sometimes I wonder where he came from

Amen brother, amen!

[Satellite 1]

Talking about other states,yes cost of living might be cheaper,but what about tornadoes?even idea of it freaks me out...but mortgage of 200 000 is quite tempting i would say:)Lucky you:)))

Who said anything about Tornadoes; you can keep those in Oklahoma. You can have that $200,000 mortgage right here in California. From Sacramento to Bakersfield, the entire central valley has dropped dramatically. Many homes are on the market below $200,000.

[visaveteran1 33]

Talking about other states,yes cost of living might be cheaper,but what about tornadoes?even idea of it freaks me out...but mortgage of 200 000 is quite tempting i would say:)Lucky you:)))

Who said anything about Tornadoes; you can keep those in Oklahoma. You can have that $200,000 mortgage right here in California. From Sacramento to Bakersfield, the entire central valley has dropped dramatically. Many homes are on the market below $200,000.

What about state income and real estate taxes, sales tax, gasoline prices, etc? And there are those nasty earthquakes, fires and mud slides...maybe not where you mention...but the whole state has to absorb those costs...so your pockets are picked like everyone else. Yes?

[Satellite 1]

What about state income and real estate taxes, sales tax, gasoline prices, etc? And there are those nasty earthquakes, fires and mud slides...maybe not where you mention...but the whole state has to absorb those costs...so your pockets are picked like everyone else. Yes?

State income taxes can be deducted from your Federal Return, so no problem there. Not sure how much lower property tax is in other states. But assuming it is the same and we are both talking about $200,000 mortgages, the difference should be minimal. Fires are certainly a concern. Not sure if hurricane or tornado insurance costs any more than fire insurance. Gasoline costs less in the central valley then in San Francisco. But yes, you do pay on average $0.25 more a gallon then the national price. Disasters in California actually effect the entire nation. Last year we had a record freeze in the winter and the price of oranges sky rocketed by $1.00 or so a pound. I can see pluses and minuses of living in California or somewhere else. It's really a personal choice and a comfort level thing. As others have mentioned we are a mobile society, we can get up and move. Edited April 9, 2008 by Satellite

[Satellite 1]

Frankly I'm surprised that Sat lives in SF. I'd have thought he'd bought some cheap waterfront property in New Orleans by now. (I dig because I know Sat can take it.)

We moved out of the City back in October. My wife got accepted to UC Davis and I was wrapping up law school. We were in the city simply because my school was there. Now we are back to the simple life. But like you, I like all the other things that go with California, so no Louisiana for me.

And like I said before, I'd rather spend my money "living" in California then on a taxi ride from SVO2 to SVO1

Edited April 9, 2008 by Satellite

[Bobalouie 0]

Talking about other states,yes cost of living might be cheaper,but what about tornadoes?even idea of it freaks me out...but mortgage of 200 000 is quite tempting i would say:)Lucky you:)))

Who said anything about Tornadoes; you can keep those in Oklahoma. You can have that $200,000 mortgage right here in California. From Sacramento to Bakersfield, the entire central valley has dropped dramatically. Many homes are on the market below $200,000.

Ok Sat, since you seem to be hung up on numbers, I looked up some houses in Bakersfield, and I will put it to you another way. My house in Oklahoma City, built to order, cost me $83/sq ft. The houses in Bakersfield are going for $126-$172/sq ft. I hope that clears up my point.

[Bobalouie 0]

What about state income and real estate taxes, sales tax, gasoline prices, etc? And there are those nasty earthquakes, fires and mud slides...maybe not where you mention...but the whole state has to absorb those costs...so your pockets are picked like everyone else. Yes?

State income taxes can be deducted from your Federal Return, so no problem there. Not sure how much lower property tax is in other states. But assuming it is the same and we are both talking about $200,000 mortgages, the difference should be minimal. Fires are certainly a concern. Not sure if hurricane or tornado insurance costs any more than fire insurance. Gasoline costs less in the central valley then in San Francisco. But yes, you do pay on average $0.25 more a gallon then the national price. Disasters in California actually effect the entire nation. Last year we had a record freeze in the winter and the price of oranges sky rocketed by $1.00 or so a pound. I can see pluses and minuses of living in California or somewhere else. It's really a personal choice and a comfort level thing. As others have mentioned we are a mobile society, we can get up and move.

No such thing as tornado insurance. And my $185K house insurance is $749/yr. House taxes (no personal property) here in my area are among the highest in the state, and cost $2400/yr. Oklahoma is about $.25 less than the national average on gas.

Edited April 9, 2008 by Bobalouie

[Satellite 1]

Ok Sat, since you seem to be hung up on numbers, I looked up some houses in Bakersfield, and I will put it to you another way. My house in Oklahoma City, built to order, cost me $83/sq ft. The houses in Bakersfield are going for $126-$172/sq ft. I hope that clears up my point.

How recent is your data? Prices have fallen dramatically in the last 6 months. I don't think anyone's record's at this point can keep pace.

[Bobalouie 0]

Ok Sat, since you seem to be hung up on numbers, I looked up some houses in Bakersfield, and I will put it to you another way. My house in Oklahoma City, built to order, cost me $83/sq ft. The houses in Bakersfield are going for $126-$172/sq ft. I hope that clears up my point.

How recent is your data? Prices have fallen dramatically in the last 6 months. I don't think anyone's record's at this point can keep pace.

How accurate are the MLS listings for realtors in Bakersfield? I think they are pretty up to date (I looked them up right before I posted), and I didnt look at only one entry, that was how I came up with the range and searched for houses that have similar amenities as mine. I didnt want to be quoting prices for Bakersfield for houses with crazy custom woodwork or marble counters, since my house doesnt have that kind of stuff. There are a lot of houses that are in the $170K range, but they are all for 1200 sq/ft houses which do not compare.

And I will admit, I got a hell of a deal on my house, but most houses in my area (fastest growing, hence more expensive) are in the $90-95/sq ft range. You might pay $100-110/sq ft for a 3500 sqft house here if you did the granite/marble with custom cabinets and all the trimmings. But it would be a dream house. I have a friend who lives in a 3300 ft house with all the trimmings and he bought it 2 years ago for $91/sq ft.

Edited April 9, 2008 by Bobalouie