ionianrain

I cant see how they lost your documents.. But if you say so..

Get a power of attorney for financial and one for medical.

Add your wife to the insurance for that car you own? List her as a driver

Get a secondary credit card. You can request another card with her name on it. It is not adding her to your account, or lowering your score as she won't be on the account, its just another authorized card on your account.

Call your electric company and ask to change address. Then give them both your names it should be addressed to. Again, its not adding her to the account, its just a title on the bill.

Do you have a phone plan together?

Seriously the did lose documents. Some 4 all together. Among them one of our Bank Accounts. Unbelievable yet from what I 've read, it happened to quite a few people in here.

Medical power is what we have.

Car insurance: she is added (though she knows not how to drive yet I added her regardless).

Has her own credit card with our family name on. The one she had under my account, exists no more and Credit Company can't give us any document stating that she used to be under my account... Electric Company can not be reached. If anyone thinks I am lying I can give them my full info and have them try to reach them, but they will have no luck doing so.

Phone: 2 cells, 2 accounts, in one company, with our family name each plan and number. Impossible to get a family account. Reason: they have no discounts for overseas calling and we use overseas calls a lot. Anyway if USCIS wants us to change our way of living, our culture, our financial structure then fine, they can pay our bills too...

NOT mad at you, but the country I was born in and its stupid laws.

I wanna correct the item b. Simply adding someone to your credit card account doesn't bring your score down. That is just authorizing another person to use it and the responsibility is still on your side and also the score is your own (isn't affect by your wife's score at all. If her score increases, that doesn't bring up yours and opposite). The banks just simply duplicate the cards with the same numbers (most of the times).

If you wanna verify what I say, just go to a bank and talk to a personal banker.

I am afraid my friend that on that you are wrong. if the person that has a credit card under your ombrella fails on a payment, your score goes down since that person has not established yet credit and she is under your name. Verified (at least according to what our credit card company told us).

We have sent all the docs necessary to the USCIS VT Office.

Turned to be according to THEIR letter to us (N.O.A.) that they 've lost a few. Unfortunately among those lost, are our Bank Statements: which means they could have fallen into hands of those that can mess with our livelihood (given the sensitive data they include).

Called the USCIS and no one wanted to give a DIRECT answer as to what happened to our documents that were lost. Therefore:

Question #1: who can find those documents or who will take responsibility for their loss?

Most likely on this question there is no real answer so here comes the most important one:

Question #2: can we sue these guys up there in this office?

I mean, someone has to pay... if we would have lost something the government would have entrusted us with, we wouldn't be talking right now...
Any serious answers would be appreciated.

Thanks

Power of attorney we dont have, truth to tell.

the rest of the docs, yes we do have them indeed.

without ANY intention to sound rude, i 'd stick to my question:

is a will necessary when one has nothing to inherit to another?

what do you think guys?

if i have nothing to pass to my wife, i guess i need no will, right?

I was asked to provide that evidence in my RFE. Either a durable power of attorney for health or property or both, Will, or Trust.

is a will necessary when one has nothing to inherit to another?

what do you think guys?

I mean i have no property so how could i make my Will? Stating what? That I leave to my wife pure... air, since I own nothing?

any clues on that guys and gals?

You said, you have less than12 days to gather everything but as you stated you have sent everything on your I-751 so there's nothing more to send. Have to thinking of calling and try to speak to a supervisor and explain what you've just said?

While waiting for your ROC interview, try to call again your electric company, tell them that, for immigration purpose, you need to have your wife's name added in the bill (because that's what we did). During my ROC we did not have joint bank account but I told the officer when we were interviewed that, my spouse has tax lien and we need to have separate bank account to survive.

We did call the uscis. Representative was reading from a script. At a point she asked me the same question 3 times...

Asked to talk to a supervisor. As if you were talking to a wall. They even told me that in reality it depends to the Examining Officer who examines our papers how he sees our marriage "one officer might believe you are not married in good faith while another will...".

There was no way to contact anyone in our electric company, despite our efforts and I am saying the truth here, believe me.

Like I said on a previous post, if after re-sending my proofs, we don't get our approval, I will ask to present ourselves in front of an immigration court, if needed.

I 've had enough with this people that think they can play with other people's lives...

HOW MANY statements did you send from the day both names appeared? Monthly? Quarterly? Twice a year? A single statement from back then?

Seriously, we're trying to figure out why they would send you a RFE and your answers are vague. The lease and bank statements CANNOT be "the same". A lease holds for an entire year (usually) so over the 2 years, just 2 copies of leases will do. The bank statements should be more frequent than that. So again, how many statements were sent?

They could have lost your documents as we've seen that happen before. Or you could not have sent enough. I'm not sure if this was answered before but are the utilities included in the rent and on the lease?

Bank statements: since BEFORE we even got married with my wife, I have put her in my count. Some 200 pages of bank statements showing all our transactions on DAILY basis.

tax transcripts the uscis would like much better then your tax returns 1040 w2,also it's best to send your banking statements quarterly or 4 per year,do you have a cell phone family plan,do you have any loans togather furniture or car,join sams club togather.

All the above you mentioned, we have sent them. Bank statements? How about 200 pages where they show our transactions on DAILY basis and show that my wife was added in my bank way before we even got married? Still we got that RFE...

Loans no. We owe nothing to nobody. We are against owing money. Do we have to be slaves of the financial system just to convince someone? If you hear me frustrated, TRUST ME it is not against you that I am frustrated, but against the system. We live in the country of "freedom" and I won't alter my way of life, just to make the authorities believe us, the way THEY want us to make them believe. For instance: muslims are against borrowing or being borrowed money because it is against their religion. Should they change religion and owe money to the banks, just to convince the uscis? Seriously I don't understand them and I am about to lose my mind with the way this people handle other people's lives...

Hi ionianrain.

I really sorry to hear your situation, I will give you the list of the evidency we sent with the I-751, it may give you an idea of what else to send.... we do not have any joint lease, health insurance plan, bank account or house in both names, the only thing we own jointly is our car, maybe you can add your wife to the title of your car.

this is what we sent, maybe some things dont apply because it sounds like you both have no children, but for the rest it can give you an idea.

• Copy of my Green Card (Front and Back)

• Two passport-style photos.

• Copy of my Birth Certificate and its English translation.

• Copy of our Marriage Certificate and its English translation.

• Copy of Divorce Certificate of my husband;s previous marriage.

• Copy of my Social security number card.

• Copy of my California ID and my husband's California ID showing our current residence.
• Copy of the Social Security Cards of our kids.
• Copy of the birth Certificate of our daughter
• Copy of the Birth Certificate of our son.
• Copy of the taxes 2009, 2010, 2011 and 2012 "filling jointly". (from the year we got married)
• Copy of the IRS Refund Notice for 2009 and 2010
• Copies of my husband's passport showing his visits to Colombia to see me before we got married.
• Copy of our passports (my passport, my husbands passport, and our kids passports) showing trips together.
• Two affidavits by U.S. Citizen friends, attesting to our relationship and marriage.
• Copy of proof of Joint ownership and title of our automobile.
• Receipts of western union showing that my husband sent me money when I was waiting in Colombia for my conditional residency. (over 200 receipts)
• Cards of friends given to us in the baby shower of our son.
• Copy of bills and mails showing that we live in the same residence. (the bills were just the cable on my name and the phone and internet on my husbands name) (over 50 regular mails on my name or in his name showing same residency)
• Proof of my current pregnancy
• Album with over 100 Pictures together...... pictures before our marriage, engagement, wedding pictures, honey moon, visits of my husband to colombia while I was still waiting for my visa, pictures in the US, in vacations, with family, friends, etc, our whole life together in the album (I wrote in every picture where it was taken and the date, the first picture was our very first picture together at the airport and the last one was the most recent picture...)

I hope it can help and you got some ideas

My dear friend

Thank you for the time spent to put all this info in here.

We have sent almost all the above things you 've mentioned (with a couple of exceptions since they didn't apply to our case) and still we got the RFE.

I ll stay in a couple of examples: in 2 years I have made 6 trips to Colombia to see my wife (gf back then).

I have my wife in my bank even before we even got married and sent all our statements which show our transactions on DAILY basis (more than 200 pages).

After having sent in reality not a few docs but almost a... box, a package with docs and still they sent me that first RFE, if I get a denial this time in our second attempt, I will look around to see how I can bring my case to the court and have a judge make a decision. I am more than just certain that the documents we have gathered, would convince a representative of the law and if not then we 'll pack and go live elsewhere, but won't do them the favor to separate us.

Just 1 more you can put your wife name on your CC .

I send a Copy of my and hers . She dosent have credit however they issue a CC on her name w. my Account .

Get a Life insurance they are supper cheap 2 to 6 dollars a month , even your bank will sale you a policy and name her as the beneficiary .

Also could you enter your time line for the ROC process ? I visit your profile and could not see your I 751 info

Just trying to help .

She has her own credit card for almost a year now.

When she didn't I issued her one under my credit's umbrella. Unfortunately, my credit card has no way to send me any letter stating that for a full year she had a card issued under my card's umbrella/protection.

I REALLY appreciate your kind and honest will to help, my friend.

You need evidence from the beginning of your marriage until now.

So how many bank statements? How long was the lease for? etc etc

Lease: 9 years

Bank statements: since BEFORE we even got married with my wife, I have put her in my count. Some 200 pages of bank statements showing all our transactions on DAILY basis.

I am not from Canada (I have only been there for vac). Don't know if you 'd believe me, but if I 'd have the chance to MOVE to Canada, I 'd do that no questions asked. What would keep you in the States the way our politicians turned them to be and today ain't nothing but a luxury prison with golden bars, where we feel "secure" and "happy" while the government has under surveillance every little step we take and every breath we take and they only thing they haven't taxed yet is sex and farts... Don't come here, my friend. If Canada is no good for you, then here is ####### and you 'll regret the time you 've set your foot on this country if you come; remember my words.

Do you have a joint bank account? Did you include quarterly statements of that account?

USCIS wants to see that you trust each other with money because someone doing fraud probably would not trust the other person with their money. But you say you don't trust your wife because she will ruin your credit score. Seems odd to me. Why don't you teach her about credit?

Yes we have a joint account.

We have sent them our statements not on quarterly but on DAILY basis (some 200 pages) since day 1 of the account.

My wife has been added in it while we were not even married yet... If that doesn't show trust to the USCIS's eyes then what does...

Couldn't add her in my card because as you probably know, one missed payment is enough to destroy a 10 years work to bring my score and keep it above 800. So it is not a matter of trust like I said.

If they cant see that she was added in the bank account, back while we were fiancees, then what can I say...

Thanks again for helping us.

God bless you and your family

Liabilities as in Bills. Bills should have been put in both names the day you were married, bank accounts, life insurance, 401K, Tax returns, emergency contact papers from work (naming call spouse), name change for wife, new SS card with new married name, new voter registration card with new name, drivers license with new name, this is what they mean.

Since you live together you should be cominhgling your finances thats what they mean has nothing to do with weealth. Just changing names on papers and adding one another.

tried to change the names in our electric bill. i know you wont believe me but it was impossible to contact any live person there...

credit cards of mine: like i said i couldn't add my wife there risking lowering my credit score.

car: was bought before my wife's arrival

all the rest have her name on.

imagine that although my wife had been added to my bank account BEFORE we even got married they claimed that it was not enough to prove that we have continuously shared a life together...

I have started looking how I can appeal a possible second rejection in front of a judge and provide him with all the evidence we have gathered...

Thanks for answering and God bless

Don't you have any medical insurance on which one party is the beneficiary of the other? What about car insurance policy that has your wife on it? Or medical/ dental bills on the same account, which also shows your wife's address and yours are the same

My dear friend

Believe it or not, we have included ALL these documents you just mentioned in our initial package escorting the I-751 yet we received the RFE...

Could be that the officer there, was not in the mood? Perhaps...

The what I am wondering now is: how can I explain them the

car that can't have my wife since it 's been bought before we got married

the electric bill that has been in my name so many years and we can't add anyone

my credit cards that i won't risk have my wife on them in order to protect my credit score

Any ideas how we can make them understand why my wife was not added in the above?

Again: thanks and may God bless you and your family for answering our post.

We were on a trip overseas and we just came back home to find out that we have recently received an RFE on our I-751 Petition. Now we have to gather everything in less than a 12 days time...

Let me tell you, that we found out that not only they 've lost critical documents of ours, but on top of that (if not BECAUSE OF THAT) they say we haven't demonstrated... "enough assets and liabilities spanning the period of the marriage".

Besides frustrating it is also very confusing:
* How can we prove our case while the only thing we have ours is just an old car? (don't they know that not all of us are rich or wealthy or even middle class? Don't they understand that there are also low income people out there like us where only one member out of a family of 2, works to provide for the household?

* How can we prove what they ask when we have almost no liabilities in our name?

We have only a rent to pay and we included our Lease Agreement.

What else do they want? Anyone has any idea?

a) The Electric Bill is in my name since I first came in this apartment (and believe it or not there is no way to change names on; it is easier to get an interview from God than to find not someone but just a way to speak to somebody in our Electric Company).

b) Credit cards: we have 3 (two mine, one of my wife who is the applicant). I have a 804 credit score and as you understand I can't afford risking lowering a score I have so hard worked to pin it where it currently is by adding my wife in my credit cards who is a new comer in this country and has no clue how easy can a score be destroyed.

c) My car is paid off and in my name. Can't switch the title as you understand.
Any of you guys and gals, has any ideas how I can justify to the U.S.C.I.S. why my wife's name is not in the a) b) c) you 've just read above?

I 'd kindly appreciate any answers, ideas and comments that can REALLY help; the fastest you can reply the better because like I said, the time frame we have is very short.

Thank you, ALL of you

God bless you all

Okay, so you mostly told us what you didn't send.

You did send, a joint lease, bank account, taxes, and an affidavit. 4 things. How many bank statements did you send? Just one per account? You could have added your wife to the utility bill with one phone call.

Why doesn't your wife have credit history? That is important for her to have to establish herself in the USA.

Just relax and look at your married life objectively. Do you work? Do you have your wife as emergency contact or anything?

We have sent statements from BOTH our banks since the day I have added my wife on them up until the date we 've sent the package.

We 've sent also, document from our Travel Medical Insurance where I have her as an emergency contact.

She does have credit history now, but we have no credit cards in common, exactly because in order to start building credit she had to get her own credit card; therefore there is no "joint" or common credit card where both our names are listed. Just mine and hers but both cards statements come to the same address.

As of the utility bill: a) I 'd rather not comment on the communication about the literally... nonexistent "name update" process plus b) if we do that now, perhaps it will be considered suspicious (as if they 'd think like "why they haven't done it for 2 years and they 've done it now that we sent the the RFE?").

On my answer to another friend in here I stated the rest of the documents we submitted.

If it took them almost 4 months to come and tell us that they need an RFE, then I hope it will take another 4 months to answer our second package to them, because by then we will be in the time frame to start the naturalization process and I 'll tell them what to do with their RFE letter...

Thanks for all the time and the kind will you show to help us. It gives us hope and strength.

You need evidence from the beginning of your marriage until now.

So how many bank statements? How long was the lease for? etc etc

Both lease and bank docs where BOTH names are added, are dated BEFORE we even got married... Imagine...

You need evidence from the beginning of your marriage until now.

So how many bank statements? How long was the lease for? etc etc

Yes indeed and we know that, that is why all the proofs we included span the length of our marriage.

Lease: since the day she got here which was BEFORE we got married.

Bank: the same with the lease...

That is why I am saying, that they have no stand in reality when they say we didn't submit enough to prove our marriage while we submitted all we could and now they ask us to submit the same once again?

We were about to lose our mind at first but now we are calmer thanks to all of you guys and thanks to the fact that we are decided to continue living together, here, in another country or in another planet, it doesn't matter since we 'll be together.

Please list what you originally sent. Then we can help you figure out what is may be required.

Hi and thank you for offering us to help

Here is our answer:

A list with all the items we included in the envelope explained in details: sent

Joint lease: sent

Bank Statements: sent (2 banks)

Accounts movement: sent

Cards (congratulating us on our marriage): sent

Water, sewage, internet, cable bills: we have nothing of the above

Cell phones: no family plans. Too expensive and you have to pay a lot more to call overseas where both our families live. Therefore we have 2 prepaid phones and couldn't send anything concerning cell phones.

Travel Medical Insurance: (costs a few bucks per month only) documents sent

Travel Medical Insurance Beneficiary: I have put my wife as such and the doc was sent too.

Tax Returns: sent

Last will: not sent; what to leave to my wife since I have nothing and she has nothing either?

Friends that know us affidavits: sent

Utilities: (just electric bill is all that we have); not sent since it is in my name and was opened 8 years before my wife's arrival.

Life insurance: can't afford

Healt insurance: can't afford

Credit Cards: just mine. nothing sent. wife had no credit history.

Pictures: (quite a few) sent

I.D.s with same residence: sent

Car: is in my name and bought well before my wife's arrival.

Still though, I have included her in the insurance and the document was sent too.

Itineraries: sent. 45 DAYS of HONEY MOON in Europe, while most in the States go a week in Cancun and that's it.

We also sent a bunch of other minor proofs.

List of what we included: sent

Result: the above mentioned story of the topic I have described.

Have they lost some of our documents? Could be, but that was NOT our fault, as you probably understand.

Now they claim they want more proofs and they ask the same docs and papers we have sent.

I will most probably re-send all and an explanatory letter in full details and if they still don't accept it, then we don't know what else to do...

instead of hunting the REAL illegals they are after the REAL married couples...

You are confused about the requirements and that is making you stressed.

You say you showed "everything we were supposed to." That is impossible, because there is no one thing you "are supposed" to show. If it was a matter of showing random documents then any scammer could get through. You need to show them evidence of a bona fide marriage. So think about your marriage and figure out what shows that you live together and plan your lives together as a couple.

You don't need to have debt or anything to prove this, and your insistence on your income is sending you down the wrong path.

So, you rent, did you show a joint lease? Did you show a joint bank account for every month of your marriage? Did you show tax returns? Health insurance? Life insurance? Any credit cards? Any utilities? Phone/electric/sewer or anything?

You haven't actually made a list of what you sent.

If you fail in this RFE then yes, you will have an interview and they will ask you about your lives.

I do thank you for your advise, but I allow me to tell you that your assumption about whether we send the right stuff or not, is wrong.

Joint lease: sent

Bank Statements: sent (2 banks)

Tax Returns: sent

Friends that know us affidavits: sent

Utilities: (just electric bill is all that we have); not sent since it is in my name and was opened 8 years before my wife's arrival.

Life insurance: can't afford

Healt insurance: can't afford

Credit Cards: just mine. nothing sent. wife had no credit history.

Pictures: (quite a few) sent

I.D.s with same residence: sent

Car: is in my name and bought well before my wife's arrival.

Still though, I have included her in the insurance and the document was sent too.

Itineraries: sent. 45 DAYS of HONEY MOON in Europe, while most in the States go a week in Cancun and that's it.

We also sent a bunch of other minor proofs.

List of what we included: sent

Result: the above mentioned story of the topic I have described.

Have they lost some of our documents? Could be, but that was NOT our fault, as you probably understand.

Now they claim they want more proofs and they ask the same docs and papers we have sent.

One last thing about expenses: I am the only one who works. Wife can barely speak english and currently is attending school to improve her language skills.

Wife doesn't drive, which means she can't find a job as easily as if she was driving.

Food and necessary things to pass the month: she can go to buy them by bus and that happens ONLY if she is VERY LOW on food because the bus leaves her a couple of miles off our street and she has to walk the distance like a broken back donkey. Get a cab to do it? Would anyone trust a young lady alone, with language barrier and her husband some thousands miles away to board a taxi and do this? If anyone would, in the country that has the most disappearances and the highest rape rate, then I congratulate him, but I am not like him on that.

How we buy our food (clothing we buy once in a blue moon)? I am a trucker; I work a month and then I go home. Before I leave we go to the super market and we buy provisions for a month and a half and that's it. Should we be condemned because we have a different kinda living from most people here? I thought this was the... "land of the free"...

I have read your post and those of the others and I intend to resend all of the proofs we have and we were told (though they are the same with those we have gathered) and if that doesn't work I would request a personal hearing, an audit, a court, someone to come face to face and bring our case there.

Truthfully thankful to you for your kind help.

God bless

Do you have 401Ks or retirement savings plans through your job? Any kind of IRA account? Life insurance? Anything you can think of that you filled out for work that may have needed a beneficiary, add them. Are the utility bills in both of your names?

Hi and thanks for the reply.

No, I am self employed (and in fact barely making it) so no 401k.

IRA is a dream to us... With barely 2.000 income monthly for a 2 people household and one of us only working, it is hard to have such a thing or any life insurance. We wish we could but we are no exception to the rule of those that barely make it.

Utility bills: just the electricity is what we have but this is only in my name since I applied when I first moved here some 8 years ago and still if I change it now (which I can't from what I understand) it would sound more suspicious, it would seem as if I make it now just to convince them.

I honestly have no clue what else to show to make them understand that we are not a fraud. We have no personal assets other than our clothes, our furniture and our food and btw we are NOT the only people that have no house of their own 2-3 cars and a boat... That's what we can't understand... what more they want from us? How do they expect us to prove something when we gave them all we had?

If they have to deport my wife, we are determined to leave this country and this is the biggest proof that we love each other (regardless of the fact that they don't take such things into account).

Thanks again for any help you can provide

We got a letter asking us for RFE to remove conditions and get the permanent residence.

The thing is that we provided them EVERYTHING we were supposed to and now they came back with a list of evidence. The issue is that this list, the evidence they ask are pretty much they SAME things we sent them at first...
They ask us to prove joint assets. WHAT assets since we have NOTHING. We live in an apartment that we rent so what do they want? Our clothes and shoes to prove them we own them together?

They say that the joint bank account we submitted "does not demonstrate much co-mingling of finances and does not show that you share responsibility for many assets and debts". I am wondering what do they expect a bank to show for a household of 2 where only one of us works and puts the food to the table? Then again: WHAT assets since I barely make 1.800 a month and we spend them all to eat a dish of food, pay the bills, to LIVE? What debts besides a credit card which is paid by... our joint bank account?

They claim that our bank account "does not cover a long enough period of the marriage" while I have put my wife in the bank account, since she first got here and BEFORE we even got married?

We REALLY don't know what else to send to them since like I said, we have included all in the first letter.

Any recommendations? Any ideas?

If anyone can help with the above questions, we would appreciate it.

Also: even if we submit whatever RFV we can find on top of what we first sent, what happens if they still deny the removal of conditions? Is my wife going to be deported?

Is there anyway we can ask for an audience by a court or something?

Please help up for we are about to lose our minds here.
We even think leaving the States if this is the price we have to pay to be together.
Thanks for reading, guys and gals and may God bless you all.

Hermanos/as

Una pregunta: donde debo mandar la I-751; es decir en que lugar debo enviarla?

Estamos viviendo en la Florida; alguien nos puede ayudar?

Gracias

Some "follow up" questions:

Guys I know you might laugh with my ignorance but I am VERY confused on what concerns the time I should send the package with the papers.

According to the guide:

- "If you are filing jointly, the I-751 form must be filed within the 90 days just preceding the expiration date on your permanent residence card"

- "This is the date that your conditional residence expires. Note that, despite the fact that you may see word "anniversary" used in a confusing way regarding the filing date for removal of conditions, your wedding date is completely irrelevant to determining the window of time during which you may file for removal of conditions".

1) Does this mean the date written on the GREEN CARD?

2) My wife's Green Card says it expires on 05/23/2013. So,from what I understand, we have to send the paperwork anytime AFTER the 02/23/2013 (but of course early enough and not wait till the last minute). Am I correct on what concerns the PERIOD of time when we have to send our paperwork?

Again thank a million to all of you, taking time to help us.