Girona40

Ok, so I was a little premature last time for talking it up before I did anything, but today, I have officially been smoke free.

I went and had hypnosis, and I'll tell ya what...I feel kinda good...a teeny bit antsy, but not like every other zillionth time I've quit.

I can only say "Well Done" for being so determined. I think it is wonderful that you have tried so many times and that you haven't given up. It is such a worthwhile thing to do and you will be a much more attractive person for giving up. The smell of a smoker is probably the most unattractive thing imaginable.

I am a smoker myself and we (myself, husband and son) are all scheduled to give up on the 1st April. We have to all do it together or we are not going to succeed. But the one thing I notice, even as a smoker, is how horrible it smells when my husband has had a cigarette. You are a very attractive woman and it will make you so much more attractive when you smell of the shampoo you washed your hair of in the morning and the perfume you applied first thing - not like an old ashtray.

You are doing great! Keep it up and at the end of the week treat yourself to something nice that you will actually appreciate now you have given up. A nice smelling body spray or a new t.shirt that has never been tainted with the smell of cigarettes.

When I gave up several years ago, I had to wash all the clothes in my wardrobe. Even though they had been laundered and not worn they smelled of cigarettes. Isn't that amazing? I am looking forward to stopping on the 1st and then I am going to have a blitz on the entire house, carpet cleaning, washing the curtains, everything that I can smell it on, even though we don't smoke in the house, but out on the deck!

Keep us posted on how you do - I am rooting for you!

I would absolutely schedule an INFOPASS appointment to find out what is going on with the EAD and mention the reason you didn't make the AOS interview and see if they can expedite it for you. Sometimes you are lucky enough to get a compassionate person behind the desk.

I find it amazing that nobody diagnosed your wife with Major Depressive Disorder. There is a points scale doctors use, giving a certain number of points for every stressful event in your life. When the final number reaches a certain level it is time to give medication or to arrange counseling or hospital treatment.

Think about it. She is newly married - don't any of you tell me that it is not stressful in itself, trying to adjust to marriage alone. Then there is the fact that this OP is living in a foreign country - it is one of the most stressful things I have done and I am sure he looks to his wife for reassurance on issues, adding further stress to her, keeping him on an even keel. He isn't working and wife is only one bringing in an income - she is probably worried that the bills are piling up and wondering when he is going to be able to help contribute. I am sure she didn't expect to be keeping him for two years, or longer. Then she has a father who was very ill and has since passed away. My Lord! How much do you expect the poor girl to cope with?

She is in need of immediate help from her doctor. She has a history of attempting suicide, who knows when she will try again. I know that the loss of a parent or sibling is one of the most stressful things you will ever go through. It may just tip her over the edge and this is where the OP needs to be a "husband" and not just the "immigrant" here.

Start to take the weight off your wife's shoulders, get onto the USCIS and start sorting out the EAD situation. The AOS will wait - your wife's mental state is far more important and she needs help....now.

Congratulations! It's a lovely "house" and it will make a wonderful "home" once you put your own special touches to it.

Excellent News!

MTR's HAVE to go to the Chicago Lockbox, because a fee is involved. When we tried to submit ours to Lee's Summit, Missouri, who made the denial decision, it was returned with a note to send it to Chicago. They then forward it to the office that made the decision. The attorney should have sent it with check to Chicago and copied the District Director. p.s. our MTR was granted after 58 days.

I am not sure whether the District Director wanted our attorney to file a Motion to Reopen or a Motion to Reconsider. Whichever, at our meeting with her she told us that she had taken my son's file and, basically put it back in "pending" until she received our attorney's Argument. Then she would look it over and send it to the AAO for a "certified" decision. My understanding was that she was prepared to "retract" the Denial that was issued and that she was doing something that wasn't usual with our case.

To be honest, it was totally confusing, but we asked where the documents should go and she told us "have them sent to me, marked for my personal attention". So I am not sure what procedure would be followed under these circumstances. I only know that she hasn't received a copy or anything else from our attorney, as of today's date.

As soon as we receive a copy I will ensure that WE send her a copy, so that she can at least see what the argument is. She is trying to help and offered all sorts of other remedies, none of which were morally appropriate to us, but she was trying to help.

Thanks for your response. It is great to hear that your MTR was granted. I don't know how ours will turn out, I can only pray it will be favourable.

We instructed an attorney to deal with our son's case, a few months ago now. The case is rather unusual in that the District Director has agreed to look at our attorney's Argument and then send the file to the Administrative Appeals Office for a "certified" decision. This means that all other cases like ours will have to adjudicate in the same manner that the AAO decides.

Well, the attorney was told that the Argument had to go to the District Director, marked for her personal attention. I made it clear in an e-mail and my husband re-iterated this, several times, in a phone conversation with the attorney.

Well, for the past month we have been trying to get a copy of the Argument that he says he prepared and sent. He has promised, several times, that it will be in the mail - it hasn't arrived. He says that there is some problem sending it in an e-mail as it is a large document in pdf format - I receive pdf's that are hundreds of pages long every day without any problems.

We got hold of the District Director, who has been extremely helpful in this case - I think that they are as sick of it as we are and just want to end this 3 years of indecision. She tells us that the document has not been received, and it should have been almost a month ago!

My husband speaks with the attorney and he says that he sent it to Chicago - as this is the "standard" procedure for MTR's! We told him that this was not being dealt with in a "standard" fashion and that the District Director was courteous enough to meet with us over this and has offered an alternative way of dealing with it.

I sent an e-mail yesterday, again requesting a copy of this document he has supposedly produced, but I have not received a response. We paid this attorney up-gront, a considerable amount of money, and have seen absolutely nothing for it.

What would you do?

(((((( Hugs ))))))

I have the sinking, sinking feeling that I know who your attorney is. Wow. I'm shocked but I just googled the bar association reprimand and I'm shocked at that too.

This is a really tough situation. I wonder if there's some way you could leverage the other forum and get him to produce the document. If it's who I think it is, seems like he might still be the best choice to get the darned thing written. Unfortunately. I know you guys had been looking a long time to find a lawyer who even knew what you were talking about, and it can't be easy to find yet another one at this stage.

Maybe the best thing to do is to try to have a heart-to-heart with him. Ridiculous I know but maybe it's the thing most likely to produce the result you want, which is the legal argument paper. Since he won't answer your calls, maybe over email.

Hang in there. I wish you the best.

Yes, it is the person you are thinking of - I still have your PM from a while ago. Anyway, hubby managed to get hold of him today and expressed our sincere concern that he is not communicating well with us. He said that he has been in Court, etc. and he sent out the document to us yesterday - even though we have been requesting for nearly a month. He also promised to get the document to the District Director and it would go out tonight. I pray I can rely on him, but his past actions have made me wary. I guess, I will just believe it when I see it.

The sad thing is that this attorney has had some great results and taken on cases many others would not have even taken on. He was the only one that understood where we were coming from and offered us a glimmer of hope. I just hope that he can come through in the end.

Thanks guys for all your input. I will let you all know what happens.

Oh no... it sounds like you've been given the run around yet again I think you could demand the document until you're blue in the face but it will never be forthcoming because it doesn't exist! The jerk took your money and put it in the too-hard-basket Sue the SOB.

I think you are right - I am having serious doubts as to whether he even drafted the Argument. Nobody has seen it and he isn't even replying to e-mails and phone calls from us now. We have been e-mailing him since the 6th March, requesting a copy of this document. Before that we asked him when we spoke to him on the phone. He said he had sent it. He hasn't.

My husband has left two messages for him today on his voicemail and I have e-mailed twice since yesterday and no response. He has access to a computer because he has responded to posters on another forum, only this morning!

I am so sick of it and now I am worried that he has actually jeopardised my son's case when we had every confidence in him that he was going to help.

Girona40

I called my husbands cousin he is a Fedral Court Judge... I read your post to him... he is amazed... he said your lawyer has had plenty long enough to mail you a copy of the documents he says he has sent... He says you need to phone the Bar Association and ask for their assistance... He also says if it turns out he has not sent out the documents you can take action against him in the courts....

Hope this helps

Kezzie

Thanks Kezzie - you didn't have to go to the trouble of calling your husband's cousin. That was very thoughtful.

I have done a little research on the web - I wish I had done so before we instructed this guy. He has been charged by the Bar Association for this kind of conduct before and reprimanded for it!

I have tried to telephone the Bar Association in the State he practices, but the number is continually busy. I don't know for sure that this number is the correct one.

I am concerned to see if he actually produced the document at all, and get a copy of it, rather than have him reprimanded at this point. We have been through enough stress and I really don't think I can take any more. I am already on medication because I just about broke-down when the doctor asked what things were causing me stress at the moment.

If we can get the document, we can send it ourselves to where it has to go, rather than waiting to see if he has.

I just want a copy and he isn't responding to e-mails or phone calls. My husband is going to try and call him again and point out that he has a duty of care to his client and a duty to provide them copies of documents if they request them. This is just getting ridiculous!

Wow dont know what to say other than I am sorry you are having to deal with all this....

If it was me I would be down at the lawyers office and would not leave without the copy of the report.... cant be to big to print......

I wish you good luck and a speedy result

Kezzie

Hi Kezzie,

Believe me, if his office wasn't on the other side of the country from us, we would have been there before now. My husband has seriously considered purchasing a ticket and going to his office.

Someone else suggested getting in touch with the Bar Association - I have no experience of dealing with them, or what they can do, but I am getting close to making that phone call.

Thanks for your kind wishes.

I hope someone on here can give her some good, constructive feedback on this issue.

VJers reading this post, you should click on the poster's name "Girona40" and see the length of time and the runarounds this family has gone through in trying to get her son a green card. It blew my mind when I saw it yesterday. I hope someone can help her, though it looks like she and her family have tried EVERYTHING known to mankind except getting on 20/20, 60 minutes, Dateline, etc. and telling their story of how trying to do it the LEGAL way has cost them MONEY, TIME, and I'm sure their SANITY.

Good luck Glenys!!!!!!!!!!!

Thanks Shari, I appreciate your concern, especially when you have enough on your own plate to deal with. My sanity was lost a little while back now - I don't think anyone should have to spend 3 years going through what we have.

Thankfully, I have a wonderful husband who, up to now, has had the patience of a saint! He has always been so confident that we will get a favourable result in the end, but now he is even questioning where to go from here.

You know what I think, girlfriend.

Yes I do, and I am feeling sick to my stomach because I know you are probably right!!

We instructed an attorney to deal with our son's case, a few months ago now. The case is rather unusual in that the District Director has agreed to look at our attorney's Argument and then send the file to the Administrative Appeals Office for a "certified" decision. This means that all other cases like ours will have to adjudicate in the same manner that the AAO decides.

Well, the attorney was told that the Argument had to go to the District Director, marked for her personal attention. I made it clear in an e-mail and my husband re-iterated this, several times, in a phone conversation with the attorney.

Well, for the past month we have been trying to get a copy of the Argument that he says he prepared and sent. He has promised, several times, that it will be in the mail - it hasn't arrived. He says that there is some problem sending it in an e-mail as it is a large document in pdf format - I receive pdf's that are hundreds of pages long every day without any problems.

We got hold of the District Director, who has been extremely helpful in this case - I think that they are as sick of it as we are and just want to end this 3 years of indecision. She tells us that the document has not been received, and it should have been almost a month ago!

My husband speaks with the attorney and he says that he sent it to Chicago - as this is the "standard" procedure for MTR's! We told him that this was not being dealt with in a "standard" fashion and that the District Director was courteous enough to meet with us over this and has offered an alternative way of dealing with it.

I sent an e-mail yesterday, again requesting a copy of this document he has supposedly produced, but I have not received a response. We paid this attorney up-gront, a considerable amount of money, and have seen absolutely nothing for it.

What would you do?

Coming from a younger perspective (I'm 25, no kids), I'm not sure I'd recommend pulling your son or daughter out of school, or sending them to college at something drastically young like 15. One of the most important aspects of school, especially college, is the social interaction. I think it's a critical part of adolescence, and has a major impact on how you grow as a person. I can only imagine this is even more so the case for students coming from another country! Perhaps the schools in England are more regimented and focused on learning the lessons in the quickest period of time, but here I would value the educational process much more than what's memorized from the textbooks. (as a small disclaimer, I went to an ivy league school, and did very well. but the social interaction is far and away what I value most from it.)

I think that is why your children have been placed at a grade level 2-3 years behind what they have already learned - to keep them at the same age/social level, which I can't disagree with. Perhaps in the meantime you could try to supplement their learning with other things? Reading, field trips, projects?

Above all, remember that teenagers are going to cause trouble no matter where they are from or where they are now I know I skipped my fair share of classes!

I can agree with you on some aspects of your post. I wouldn't recommend pulling a child out of school, not when there is a way of resolving the problem. Social interaction with other students is crucial. Education is not just about the academics, but learning how to get along, how to listen to other's perspectives and a multitude of other social skills.

Schools in England are definitely not more regimented or focused on learning lessons in the quickest period of time - far from it. My daughter was told not to question anything in class, here in the US, but to listen, read the text books and answer the quiz questions. As long as she did that the teachers considered their job done. This may well be just the situation in her particular school, but from talking to other parents in different parts of the country, it is all about the tests. In England children are encouraged to ask questions - an entire class will be stopped if the children want to have a deeper understanding of what they are being taught.

I would mention also that my daughter started school - not nursery or kindergarten - at the age of three, along with her twin brother. My eldest son also. This is probably the reason they are further ahead than their American friends.

Personally, the American children I have met seem to be less mature than many English children. I don't know why this is, but every teenager I have met here seems to be more niaive, has less knowledge of the world outside the US and have few opinions of their own, simply following the views of their parents. I don't think children should be placed in a class just because they are the same age as the other children in that class. Why should a child, who has already covered the curriculum for that year, be held back just so they can socialise with kids their own age. The mental age of a child needs to be taken into account too. For the few weeks my daughter was placed in a class of children her own age she was so frustrated. She would come home and say "I can't even have a conversation with these kids - they are just so immature".

The education system in England is very similar in the method of teaching as college is here. Personally, I would get my child through the High School as quickly as possible and then get them into a decent college, where my daughter is thriving because she is more familiar with the responsibility placed on students.

I hope, Mike, that you can talk the father round. You didn't mention how old the child is - are they of an age where a Court would consider what the child wants?

I wish you all the very best of luck.

I can totally relate to the stress you are under. We have suffered nothing but stress since this whole immigration journey began. (see "My story" under my profile, if you have time to read it).

Recently, I got to my breaking point and had to seek help from my doctor. My family has been dealing with the USCIS for four years now and every day has been an uphill struggle for us.

Don't let yourself get into the state I am in. Take a deep breath and listen to the good advice people here are giving you. It is frustrating when nobody will talk to you. We have gone to our District Office and been told they won't talk to us because there was congressional involvement. We didn't know where else to turn for answers. It didn't help.

I do know how you feel, believe me, but don't make yourself ill over this. It will all sort itself out in the end.

Last week, actually! Went to stay with my old boss at a hotel in Virginia Beach. She thought it would be nice for me and my daughter to join her and have some "girly" days out and fun at the beach. She was attending a conference there so, as she had the hotel room booked and paid for by the company, it was a cheap "vacation" for my daughter and I.

Well, my ex-boss snored like a pig being slaughtered! From the moment her head hit the pillow until she got up around 7am to get ready for the conference each day! It was terrible and we didn't get a wink of sleep.

We are all home now and she sent me an e-mail saying that it was a lot of fun and how nice it must have been that we got to lay in bed until 9am each morning while she had to get up to go to the conference each day! "LAY IN BED" - it was the only sleep we got, those two hours in the morning!

By Friday my daughter was so tired she begged me to let her sleep in the Mall parking lot while I went and did a bit of shopping!

Can relate although my son isn't having problems with the school part of it.

My son came with me in June 2002. He was 11 1/2 at the time. He told me then he didn't want to come and was going to tell them at the Consulate in Montreal that he didn't want to come. He never did though.

For months and months all we listened to is, "I hate it here. We're in the middle of nowhere. I want to go back to Canada. You forced me to come here" The funny part was he had and still does have more friends than he ever had in Canada. Leaving him behind in Canada was not an option. So up until July of 2005 (three years later), on occasion we would hear "I want to move back to Canada." I was finding that he seemed to pull this when he wasn't getting what he wanted or getting his own way.

I took him back to Canada for 4 weeks (road trip 5 days there and back) last July. Guess what happened? His so called good friends never had the time of day for him. His very best friend never saw him once in the whole time we were there. My son was phoning this kid, the kid would say to him, "If you want to meet up with me and (other name here), we'll be at the mall at such and such a time. I was not letting my 14 1/2 year old kid hang out at the mall in the evening hours. Found out later this kid was hanging out at the mall and smoking (my daughter spotted him the one day). Friend #2 he saw for all of 3 hours for one day, that was it and friend #3 my daughter went and picked him up (he lived in another town), brought him back to her apartment (where we were staying) and he stayed the night. Never heard from that friend again. My son had no desire to go out and do anything even with his older sisters. All he wanted to do was sit inside and play video games. Other than this, he was on the computer messaging his friends back in Idaho.

It's now 7 months later and in the past 7 months my son has been hounding about going back to Canada but just to visit. He still thinks he has these great friends back there and this time around things will be different. I told him forget it, wasn't putting out money (which we don't have anyhow) just so he can just sit in day and night to play video games. His one sister is flying over for a visit in June and the other is hoping to make the trip over in the summer. Once again we notice he's pulling this nonsense when he doesn't get his own way. Same complaints over and over again - so and so has a cellphone, I don't; so and so has a dirt bike, I don't; so and so has snow board equipment, I don't; so and so at the age of 14 1/2 just got a pickup truck bought for him for when he finishes driver's ed. I want to go back to Canada.

Let's face it, any kid that can get what they want - by the old emotional blackmail stunt - will try it! My kids all did it when they were your son's age. They did it before that too. If it wasn't "...then I want to go live with Dad", or "...then I want to go stay with Nanny", or "...you don't love me as much, I guess", were all lines they used. You just have to stick to your guns and tell them that they can't always have what they want and often the item they do want is something that gets shoved in the back of the garage never to be used more than once or twice. Kids!

My daughter went home, she still does a couple of times a year, but she realised that her friends had moved on with their lives and she had moved on with hers. Unfortunately, they hadn't really done much with their lives, had no real sense of direction. She went out with them a couple of times but they obviously hadn't missed her as much as she had missed them. While she was struggling to adjust to life in a new country, they were just carrying on as normal. Anyway, this year she isn't too bothered about visiting her friends - she is looking forward to seeing her grandparents and visiting some places in London she has never seen. I think it will be a nice vacation for us as a family now that she has settled into life here.

It takes a while and all you can do is be caring and understanding of how hard it is for teenagers. I certainly wouldn't have been able to cope with all that my daughter has - I would have freaked out a long time ago, but she is doing her best and that's all we can ask of her.

Oh, CrazyBrit, when it comes to how to word it with the school in the UK, that was the easy part. We just asked them to work out for the past two years (since my daughter was 13 at the time and started Secondary school at 11) how many hours she had completed in each subject. They were more than happy to do this for us and sent us the details by e-mail. Getting the new High School here to understand some of the differences was the hard part. Here math is taught by dividing up the subject into one year of calculus, one year of algebra, one year of geometry, etc. In the UK they group all these areas of math into one class, so my daughter ended up having to divide the number of hours she had done in math between the four areas. It was a little complicated, but we got there in the end. It will make your son's life so much easier once they get him in the correct grade. I think another problem was that their understanding of the term "year" was different too. My daughter was in the "Year 8" when she left England, but that is not the same as "Grade 8". Once they grasped that, she was placed in Grade 10, where she needed to be. Persevere, it will be worth it in the end.

If I can be of any help - please don't hesitate to PM me.

crazybrit, after I survived the teenage years of one son, I feel your pain

My honest advice? He's bored and not going to school, so yank him out and get him to complete his GED.

Then, get him to work or going to college, or even both. He can probably still finish the GED in time to start college in the fall. THey'll test him of course, but he'll do fine. I'll bet he can do both part-time, he'll be more interested in school, and will stick with it. The college will treat him like an adult, and he'll have to keep up and work independently. He'll probably like that.

I know the age and peer group thing, but he ain't hanging out with the right peer group now, right?

I agree, in one sense, that he is quite likely to be bored. Let's face it, who wants to sit in class going over stuff you covered years ago. This is just what happened to my daughter for the first weeks she was in High School here. We soon realised that she should have been in a higher grade and went and discussed this with her Guidance Counselor. Unfortunately, the woman had no idea of the differences in education systems, but under pressure agreed to work with my daughter's old school in England. It was soon determined that she was in a class well below her level. She completed the final two years in High School here and graduated with one of the highest GPA's in her class - some of the "kids" were 23 years old, for goodness sake!

If you can't resolve this issue with the school's help. I would seriously then consider removing him and letting him obtain his GED. College here is so different to High School. It is more like school in England and my daughter just thrived once she got there. She finds the students are more mature, much like the kids in the UK, and she has made some wonderful friends - teachers and students.

There is nothing worse than sitting and watching your child struggle, unecessarily. We fought hard and it took a while to get the High School to see where we were coming from. I think they felt that we just thought our child was some kind of genius - which she isn't. She is a hard worker and just started school before many of the kids here.

Don't let him suffer this - it will have a real effect on his morale. Staying on at school for an additional 3 years must be similar to being in prison, knowing you are up for parole only to find you have to serve an additional 3 years.

He will make friends more readily if he is in a group of people at the same educational level he is at. He won't feel so lonely and his whole attitude will become more positive. You can see why he is having problems settling here when the system seems so against him. Fight his corner - he has nobody else to do it for him.

Best of luck.

It is US requirement that both natural parents consent to a child being brought to the US to live, regardless of the custody arrangements or visitation rights of the absent parent. This is not something that is required, usually, by the home country.

I had to take my ex-husband to Court to gain permission to bring my daughter to the US. It was painful for me and my daughter and my husband (then fiance) had to fly from the US to the UK to appear at the hearing. It was a nightmare............but we won!

You are required to enter the names of any children on your fiancee's I-129F. If the child wishes to emigrate with the mother then the appropriate forms have to be filed, seperately. One of my son's, who remained in England was on my I-129F, but did not want to live in the US, so we never filed an application for a K-2 for him. But, should he have wanted to join us, within a year of me obtaining my visa, he would have had the option to do so because he was listed on the original petition.

I hope this makes sense and isn't too garbled!

Good Luck with everything.

My daughter was 13 when we came to the US - she too found it hard going to school here, because she was so far ahead of the American kids. She didn't have to stay any extra time in school, though, she just got her teachers in England to list the number of hours she had covered in classes over there and the High School here converted them into credits. She graduated from High School here at 15. Now she's 17 (almost 18) and will graduate from University here in a couple of years.

I can imagine how frustrating it must be to have to stay longer at school than you anticipated. Can you not write to his school in the UK and get them to do the same as my daughter's school did? It doesn't seem right that he has to stay on three extra years. Perhaps you should speak to the High School about this.

I would also just mention - I have three kids and each one of them hit a point, around the age of 16, where they became moody and difficult to please. I am sure that is a contributing factor, along with the complete lifestyle changes they are having to overcome.

Don't need to take anything but the appointment letter and some form of ID. Biometrics is just where they take your fingerprints and a photograph. Whenever we have been to have them done, it is a lot of waiting for something that takes two minutes.

It does vary considerably. Some are granted AOS without interview, while others have to wait years for their interview to be scheduled. Some are required to provide further information, while others are not, this is just down to the caseworker. My AOS took a year, my daughter's two years and my son's application is with the Administrative Appeals Office after waiting 3 years for them to reach their decision to deny him.

Just go with the flow.

I recently had the conditions removed from my green card. Vermont told me that they would get the card out to me in a few days - it took two weeks.

I would suspect that you will get your card in the next day or two. If you haven't received it by the end of the week, then call and make an INFOPASS appointment and ask why.

Absolutely, stress can effect your cycle. Personally, I didn't have problems, but my daughter did, bless her heart! She was on for the entire first month we were here!! She was very upset at the whole upheaval of moving here. It will settle down - worrying too much will probably not help either.

If it doesn't, get yourself to the doctor - you get used to the system here after a while and it isn't that bad. One thing is for sure, they will check you out thoroughly, whereas they tend to work on the process of elimination at home, so you will know for sure if there is anything wrong in a really short time.

Unfortunately, there are bigots all over the world and you can only pity them. It is down to their own lack of education and, therefore, ignorance that makes them say such stupid things!

The others are right - just let it wash over you. Once you are in the US you can rest and enjoy your life with your husband, knowing that you are never likely to bump into this woman. At least your mother did the right thing and walked away - that shows she is a very strong, intelligent, woman and that has obviously rubbed off on her daughter.

Be happy and don't let this stupid old woman's comments upset you.

Well, I started paying taxes the moment I got off the plane! How nice it would be if we didn't have to pay for 7 years. Like that is ever going to become law!

I too have listened to people talk about immigrants and think they know it all, but really they have no clue!