Girona40

You may not leave this discussion, but you'll be having it with yourself. I'm sorry, but your tone is just too angry, and I'm making an effort to extract myself from these situations.

Seems to me all veggies are angry at something or other, #### need to eat a steak and relax a bit

I am not angry. However, I am extremely disappointed that the moment a vegetarian expresses their views on the subject of meat eating, they are subjected to profanity, such as this. It shows a total lack of maturity and respect for others opinions. Maybe they feel that because they have no answer for the points raised in a post it is simply easier to resort to the use of such derogatory language.

I don't know how you can ascertain my "tone" from the written word, Alex. Just let me say tht you have got it totally wrong.

I have been posting on this site for years and have enjoyed many a good debate with other members. But lately I find some posters unable to participate in such debate without resorting to abusive language. For this reason I will not be participating on this board in future. I hope that all of you have a safe "journey".

G.

Listen, I'm not trying to start a flame war on a thread about chocolate here. I'm glad you care about chickens! Rescuing them is also very noble, IMO, and you should be proud of yourself. You just gave me the impression that you saw meat as murder and that there was no middle ground. My comments about most people not caring where their meat came from obviously was not about you, as you're a vegetarian, and not about your family. It was about most Americans. I'm sure you've asked where things came from, but most people don't, and I don't see how you can't agree to that. I will become a vegetarian again, but dietary changes are best made slowly (hence my move to getting meat and most animal products out of my diet by the end of summer). I hope you can live with that and respect the fact that just because you may have misunderstood what I wrote, you can't assume I'm being contradictory or hypocritical. I have actually put thought into this and I'm ok with where I'm at.

I never thought for one minute you were trying to start a war of any kind, flame or otherwise. I don't know where you got the impression that I saw meat as "murder" and there was "no middle ground". I live with a man who enjoys his steak/bacon/ribs and chops. How could I hold such an opinion and be happily married to such a man?

The one thing, Alex, that really concerns me about your posts is how you generalise, or make sweeping statements. How can you comment about "most Americans" in these situations? Have you spoken to ALL Americans to come up with the view that "most" of them don't care where their meat comes from?

Why do you think that the food industry in America is making such strides to change the product they supply? Why are companies, such as KFC, now informing the public that their product contains "O grams of Trans fat", or MacDonalds switched from animal fat to vegetable oil in its fries? Could it be to do with the fact that they are taking notice of the public's interest in what they are eating?

Unfortunately, Burger King feels that purchasing 10% of its pig meat from farmers that don't use farrowing crates, or that converting to using 2% of it's eggs from free-range sources really cuts it! I think it is a pathetic attempt!

Anyway, I am going to leave this discussion here. I am very comfortable where I sit on this subject and hope that you are happy with the choices you make in your life.

Good Luck!

Again, "most people" don't ask about their food? How do you know that?

Finally, I don't agree that dietary changes should be made slowly and would love to hear of a doctor that said "saturated fat should be eliminated from your diet...............slowly".

I know I can live with the (fact) that you say you are going to return to vegetarianism by the Summer. I have my doubts that you will, though, because you seem to be continually justifying why you eat meat now.

"I was saying that the average person has a little bit of a hypocritical streak when it comes to eating meat"

I just had to comment on this, I couldn't walk away from it. I just do not understand your way of thinking, on this matter, at all.

"I'm hoping to move back to vegetarianism by the end of summer" - but I don't have a problem eating meat now.

"Difficult when hubster does all the cooking and is a serious carnivore" - I don't see what your husband's eating habits have to do with your choices at all. My husband kills, prepares, cooks and eats meat, but that doesn't mean I do.

"I have never eaten baby animals" - but it's not a problem to eat their parents.

I just don't get your rationale on the subject.

I'm not sure why you've chosen to go after me, someone who at least cares about where my meat comes from, as opposed to most people who eat any old meat. I would like to go back to vegetarianism just to avoid the problem of determining where my meat comes from all the time, not because I have a huge problem eating animals period. In some ways it does bother me, but I always feel healthier when I'm eating meat, so it's difficult for me to decide. I don't like eating baby animals, or cow stomach chemicals, or brains, or sheep testicles, so what? That is no more your business than it's mine how much chocolate you consume. I'm happy to discuss my choices, but I see no need for attacks.

I was going to say the difference between vegetarians and vegans is that vegetarians are usually less pushy and self-righteous about the subject, but I may have to change my view.

I have no need to "go after" anyone - I was, merely, pointing out that I did not understand your rationale.

I still don't understand your reasoning. Where do you get your information that "most people" eat "any old meat"? What is your definition of "any old meat"? To me, meat is meat, the part of a dead animal, considered edible.

This time you say "I have a huge problem eating animals period", but then go on to say you "feel healthier when I'm eating meat".

You "don't like eating baby animals, or cow stomach chemicals, or brains, or sheep testicles, so what?" So, why post it if you don't expect anyone to comment? It is indeed your business and I have no interest in your personal choices, in anything, just curious as to your reasoning. You say are "happy to discuss" your choices, but when someone points out that they don't understand the reasoning behind the choices you are making, you consider it an "attack". Nothing could be further from the truth - I was merely asking you to explain it to me. If you can't do that, or you don't want to, that's fine.

Being "pushy and self-righteous" are not characteristics of vegetarians, vegans, or meat eaters. They are terms that can be applied to any individual who is aggressive or passionate about a subject and intolerent of the opinions of others. Therefore, they can be used to describe any individual with these traits, not just non meat eaters.

Please read carefully. I said "NOT because I have a huge problem eating meat period." I don't. I get my information that most people eat "any old meat" because I have pretty much never heard anyone walk into McDonalds and ask where the meat for the burgers came from or ask the waitress at a restaurant where the chicken was from? You are operating on the idea that the only reason someone wouldn't eat meat would be because they think meat is murder. There are other reasons that you aren't taking into account. I only eat meat that I am sure has been brought to my table from animals that were farm-raised in a small local farm. To you it doesn't matter if chickens are raised in tiny cages that destroy their feet and cause painful infections and are given chemicals to turn them into circus freaks, because when someone eats that chicken it's the same as a chicken who was raised in a happy farm life til it was old enough to be eaten. Those things do matter to me and there is a big difference.

If you are really concerned about animal welfare, I hope you don't eat eggs or at least buy some verified small-farm eggs (not just organic) and that you don't eat any products outside the home prepared with eggs. That's where farm animals are treated the cruelest. I think the reasons for vegetarianism have changed with the way meat production has changed and since you have been one for so long you may not be aware of these issues.

What is my business is my business, but I am happy to share it with you or anyone and I am happy to hear comments. However, I hope those comments recognize that each person has their own preferences.

You still haven't told me why you singled me out over all the meat eaters of the world. Any answer?

I will answer your last question first. The reason I chose to "respond" to your post was NOT to single you out. I reply to many posts on the VJ site, those posted by meat eaters and vegetarians alike, but yours struck me as one of the most contradictory in its rationale.

I have had no problem in asking at MacDonalds where their meat, and other produce, comes from and have done so. I made a point, back in 1997, which is when MacDonalds came within 40 miles of where I lived, never to purchase from them as they used animal/vegetable fat when producing their fries. Have never touched anything sold by them since.

Not everyone is prepared to eat "any old meat" as you call it. My family will not eat "meat" that is prepared from hoof, hair, skin, etc., i.e. sausages, scrapple, etc. Only meat that they have either killed themselves, or meat produced by companies that treat their animals humanely prior to slaughter. I don't agree with eating meat at all, but the men in my household choose to eat meat and it is not my place to dictate to them that they should do otherwise.

"You are operating on the idea that the only reason someone wouldn't eat meat would be because they think meat is murder". That is a presumptious statement. You do not know what my ideas are on why someone would choose not to eat meat. I did not chose to become a vegetarian for the reason you state, but for other "personal" reasons.

You are quite right when you state that chickens suffer very cruel conditions. I have rescued many battery hens in my lifetime and given them the lives they deserved. So, your comment "To you it doesn't matter if chickens are raised in tiny cages that destroy their feet and cause painful infections and are given chemicals to turn them into circus freaks, because when someone eats that chicken it's the same as a chicken who was raised in a happy farm life til it was old enough to be eaten" is just total BS! You have no idea how I feel about the raising of chickens! Don't tell me, or everyone else on this board that it DOESN'T MATTER TO ME - you don't know me!

I can assure you that I am well aware of the issues of modern-day farming and animal welfare, and like I said, you don't know me, you don't know anything about my beliefs or knowledge on the subject, so please don't make such sweeping remarks about me that are totally untrue, or misguiding. If you are prepared to share your views on the subject, that is one thing, but don't think or presume that your views are that of everybody else here. They are not.

I've never heard of this happening before - maybe I just don't read enough interview experience posts.

I am thrilled for you both and would like to wish you much luck in your future together.

Well Done!

G.

Nothing wrong with being bald, take a look! Some of these men are aaaaallllllright!

Bald Hall of Fame

My wife recently and finally received her green card. Finally, because we had to re-file due to our missing both her biometrics and interview. We received our letter stating that they had received our case and were given our case number, but we missed the biometrics and interview because USCIS mistakingly typed in the wrong address. Instead of Apt.#104, they sent it to Ap.#10. We have our paperwork showing that we filled in the right address, and we have letters from them coming to the right address and a letter that they re-sent showing their mistake.

We were denied due to our missing the appt. and when we received notice it was past the date of appealing the decision so we had to re-file.

My question is does USCIS ever refund the fees even if it was their mistake?

Thanks VJ for your help.

Firside

the posters here have given you wrong information...anyone stating that USCIS does not give refunds is taking out their you know what...

i speak from personal experience and have received a refund from USCIS recently...

mail a detailed explanation and copies of all evidence to

Debt Management Center

PO Box 5000

Williston, VT 05495

There phone number is 866-233-1915

Hope this helps you!

Well Done! That's excellent news that you got a refund.

I think more people should claim these when the USCIS messes up and you have to pay again for their mistakes!

Hi to all, today I will have at 2pm (mountain time) my infopass appointment at least to try to obtain an Emergency AP because my father will be under a brain surgery next Jun 28. I filled an AOS+EAD+AP two weeks ago and I have an approval notice of my H-1B so I will go to see my father and get my H-1B Visa in Caracas's Embassy (I have my appointment next Jun 27). In any case I want to have the AP just in case (because I could return with the H-1B without affect my AOS process).

I will go to the appointment with a Hospital letter with all detail of my father's surgery and why they recommend that all his family be with him in that moment, copy of the NOA1 of the I-131 and copy of cashed check of my bank.

If any of you have any other recommendation before leave to the appointment will be nice!

I will post the review tomorrow of my experience with Infopass.

I think if you have a letter from the hospital, explaining about your father's surgery, you should be fine. You are giving them good notice also.

I just wanted to wish you a safe journey and hope that your father does well. You will be in my prayers.

I recently went back home as my father also had surgery - it is a very stressful time for everyone concerned. Having family around, and the love they bring, will help your father cope and give him strength to get through this.

Take Care.

G.

"I was saying that the average person has a little bit of a hypocritical streak when it comes to eating meat"

I just had to comment on this, I couldn't walk away from it. I just do not understand your way of thinking, on this matter, at all.

"I'm hoping to move back to vegetarianism by the end of summer" - but I don't have a problem eating meat now.

"Difficult when hubster does all the cooking and is a serious carnivore" - I don't see what your husband's eating habits have to do with your choices at all. My husband kills, prepares, cooks and eats meat, but that doesn't mean I do.

"I have never eaten baby animals" - but it's not a problem to eat their parents.

I just don't get your rationale on the subject.

I'm not sure why you've chosen to go after me, someone who at least cares about where my meat comes from, as opposed to most people who eat any old meat. I would like to go back to vegetarianism just to avoid the problem of determining where my meat comes from all the time, not because I have a huge problem eating animals period. In some ways it does bother me, but I always feel healthier when I'm eating meat, so it's difficult for me to decide. I don't like eating baby animals, or cow stomach chemicals, or brains, or sheep testicles, so what? That is no more your business than it's mine how much chocolate you consume. I'm happy to discuss my choices, but I see no need for attacks.

I was going to say the difference between vegetarians and vegans is that vegetarians are usually less pushy and self-righteous about the subject, but I may have to change my view.

I have no need to "go after" anyone - I was, merely, pointing out that I did not understand your rationale.

I still don't understand your reasoning. Where do you get your information that "most people" eat "any old meat"? What is your definition of "any old meat"? To me, meat is meat, the part of a dead animal, considered edible.

This time you say "I have a huge problem eating animals period", but then go on to say you "feel healthier when I'm eating meat".

You "don't like eating baby animals, or cow stomach chemicals, or brains, or sheep testicles, so what?" So, why post it if you don't expect anyone to comment? It is indeed your business and I have no interest in your personal choices, in anything, just curious as to your reasoning. You say are "happy to discuss" your choices, but when someone points out that they don't understand the reasoning behind the choices you are making, you consider it an "attack". Nothing could be further from the truth - I was merely asking you to explain it to me. If you can't do that, or you don't want to, that's fine.

Being "pushy and self-righteous" are not characteristics of vegetarians, vegans, or meat eaters. They are terms that can be applied to any individual who is aggressive or passionate about a subject and intolerent of the opinions of others. Therefore, they can be used to describe any individual with these traits, not just non meat eaters.

Girona, you'll love Green & Black's. It costs more, but it's SO MUCH better and so much more chocolatey .. so if you would otherwise have let's say a mars bar (60 g) you'll get the same satisfaction of the chocolate having 20-30 g of G&B so you'll need a lot less chocolate. Or the big chocolate bar will last you so much longer.

Well, I have to nip out now to get a picnic table for the woods - don't ask, I have been clearing leaves and fallen trees all morning!!! I am going to stop in at the store and pick up a bar of G&B. I will give you my verdict later. I feel I have earned a "treat" today!

I don't know, Mars bars kinda lost their credibility with me when I heard what Marianne Faithful had been doing with hers! lol But then I guess she gained a lot of "Satisfaction" from hers. I wonder if that is where Mick Jagger's lyrics "I can't get no satisfaction" came from - couldn't get a big enough bite!!! lol

Derrrrrrrrrrr! I was only kidding!

I don't eat chocolate very much - I usually bring it back to the US with me when I have been on a visit to the UK.

I gave it up for Lent and didn't have a problem - in fact, when I did allow myself to have it again, I didn't really want it anyway.

I do like a bit of chocolate every now and again, but like Mags says "If I want to stuff my face with chocolate every day of my life, then I will!" lol

Girona just switch to Green & Black's. http://www.greenandblacks.com

I may just have to do that! I was just talking to my husband about how deprived I am going to feel, now that I can't eat Galaxy, and mentioned your suggestion. He said it was pretty good chocolate!

But, I am a bit weird in some ways........I know you all find that really hard to believe.........if I were to buy Green & Black's chocolate I would feel guilty, because I feel it is more of a "luxury" product. I would feel that I shouldn't be buying it, whereas I could buy half a dozen bars of "old cheapie" Galaxy and not think anything of it!

Maybe, like I said before, it would be a good thing. I could buy Green & Black's chocolate as a "treat" and not so much as a staple!

I still feel pretty p*ssed that Mars have done this!

Galaxy is made by Mars, so I would guess the answer is yes. Better stick to Cadbury's in future.

I can't stand Cadbury's chocolate - I find it has a rancid taste. So that isn't an option for me.

I looked up this question of whey being used in Masterfood's chocolate and they say that any bars with a "best before" date of 1st October 07 don't have the animal whey in, so vegetarians are okay to eat this. Any with a "best before" date after 1st October 07 has animal whey in it.

Letter to Customer from Masterfoods

I guess I am just going to wither away now!

"I was saying that the average person has a little bit of a hypocritical streak when it comes to eating meat"

I just had to comment on this, I couldn't walk away from it. I just do not understand your way of thinking, on this matter, at all.

"I'm hoping to move back to vegetarianism by the end of summer" - but I don't have a problem eating meat now.

"Difficult when hubster does all the cooking and is a serious carnivore" - I don't see what your husband's eating habits have to do with your choices at all. My husband kills, prepares, cooks and eats meat, but that doesn't mean I do.

"I have never eaten baby animals" - but it's not a problem to eat their parents.

I just don't get your rationale on the subject.

I've been a vegetarian for 26 years. Husband a meat-eater and hunter. He likes the taste of meat, I can't stand the thought of eating it!Can't say it has ever been a problem.

I don't think it has anything to do with denial, though. My son eats meat and, as part of his vet's training he had to visit a slaughterhouse and witness animals being killed and prepared for the meat industry. He stopped at MacDonalds on the way home!

My daughter has been a vegetarian since she was 5 years old - her choice. Both she and I will prepare meat for my husband and son, just won't eat it ourselves.

As for chocolate containing animal rennet - does anyone know if Galaxy chocolate does?

The U.S. citizen parent has been physically present in the United States for at least five years, at least two of which were after the age of 14-or the U.S. citizen parent has a citizen parent who has been physically present in the United States for at least five years, at least two of which were after the age of 14; -comment- this has to be done AFTER the citizenship has been conferred, so in an additional 5 years

The child is under 18 years of age;

I have looked and looked and cannot find any information stating that the "physical presence" starts AFTER the citizenship.

Where did you cite this?

Everything I have read makes no indication that this "physical presence" must be whilst in Citizen Status.

Zyggy, where did you get this information - there is no link to what you have "quoted". When my daughter became a US citizen, her citizenship derived from mine, and confirmed by USCIS officials at my Oath Ceremony, I had not been in the US 5 years, and she gained her citizenship the exact same moment I gained mine, so not sure where this information "has to be physically present in the US for five years, at least two of which were after the age of 14" comes from. Or that "this has to be done AFTER the citizenship has been conferred". That just isn't correct.

All of you are confusing the two processes... In this case there are two distinct processes through differing parts of the INA depending on whether the child is a resident or a non-resident of the US. Remember that I was answering the question on whether or not they could use the N-600K for their daughter i.e. citizenship for a child that was not a resident of the US... There is a way to get citizenship for their foreign daughter, but not through Section 1433 of the INA at this time... and therefore by not filing an N-600K...

The path that the OP was talking about was through Section 1433 of the INA.. in this case, yes, the five years of residency must be fulfilled before one is eligible to apply for naturlaization in this Section. A N-600K petition is used solely to apply for citizenship through natualization through this Section of the INA...

Sec 1433 http://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/uscode08...33----000-.html

A parent who is a citizen of the United States (or, if the citizen parent has died during the preceding 5 years, a citizen grandparent or citizen legal guardian) may apply for naturalization on behalf of a child born outside of the United States who has not acquired citizenship automatically under section 1431 of this title. The Attorney General shall issue a certificate of citizenship to such applicant upon proof, to the satisfaction of the Attorney General, that the following conditions have been fulfilled:

(1) At least one parent (or, at the time of his or her death, was) is a citizen of the United States, whether by birth or naturalization.

(2) The United States citizen parent—

(A) has (or, at the time of his or her death, had) been physically present in the United States or its outlying possessions for a period or periods totaling not less than five years, at least two of which were after attaining the age of fourteen years; or

(B) has (or, at the time of his or her death, had) a citizen parent who has been physically present in the United States or its outlying possessions for a period or periods totaling not less than five years, at least two of which were after attaining the age of fourteen years.

(3) The child is under the age of eighteen years.

(4) The child is residing outside of the United States in the legal and physical custody of the applicant (or, if the citizen parent is deceased, an individual who does not object to the application).

(5) The child is temporarily present in the United States pursuant to a lawful admission, and is maintaining such lawful status.

As can be seen above, in order for a child to be eligible for citizenship in this path, the citizen parent must have been resident in teh US for more than 5 years before they could apply for citizenship for a child that is NOT resident in the US. There is no stipulation for automatic citizenship for a child upon naturalization of the parent once the naturalization is conferred if the child is NOT resident in the US. If the child is NOT resident in the US, the parent must have 5 years of residence before they can apply for naturalization of the non-resident child...

THe other path to citizenship through naturalization of a parent is through Section 1431 of the INA...

1431 http://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/uscode08...31----000-.html

a) A child born outside of the United States automatically becomes a citizen of the United States when all of the following conditions have been fulfilled:

(1) At least one parent of the child is a citizen of the United States, whether by birth or naturalization.

(2) The child is under the age of eighteen years.

(3) The child is residing in the United States in the legal and physical custody of the citizen parent pursuant to a lawful admission for permanent residence.

Note Subparagraph 3...

The child must be residing in the US (i.e. permanent resident) and be in the full legal and physical custody of the citizen parent... THe OP has not fulfilled the requirements of this Section at the present time. If they want their alien daughter to get her US Citizenship through her naturalized father, then she must become a permanent resident of the US. If the father has full legal custody, then that will make getting an immigrant visa for her that much easier...

I hope this clears up the confusion that people are having... Everone who replied above, your children were able to get citizenship through the naturalization of the parent because you fulfilled the requirements of Section 1431. In the OP's case, unless their child enters the US as a Permanent Resdient before they turn 18 they will not be able to confer citizenship to their child through Section 1431. If they wish to apply for naturalization of their child under Section 1433, then they will have to wait 5 years after naturalization before they can do that... FIle the N-600 K and have her take the Citizenship oath before she turns 18...

Thank you Zyggy. I was not confused as to who is entitled to derive citizenship from their parents, rather I felt that your previous post, with no link or cite, was confusing to those who have not been through the process of obtaining citizenship for their children. You are quite right, the situation the OP outlines means that the child concerned is not entitled to derive citizenship in the same way my child did. In my opinion, the I-130 route is the best option in this case.

The U.S. citizen parent has been physically present in the United States for at least five years, at least two of which were after the age of 14-or the U.S. citizen parent has a citizen parent who has been physically present in the United States for at least five years, at least two of which were after the age of 14; -comment- this has to be done AFTER the citizenship has been conferred, so in an additional 5 years

The child is under 18 years of age;

I have looked and looked and cannot find any information stating that the "physical presence" starts AFTER the citizenship.

Where did you cite this?

Everything I have read makes no indication that this "physical presence" must be whilst in Citizen Status.

Zyggy, where did you get this information - there is no link to what you have "quoted". When my daughter became a US citizen, her citizenship derived from mine, and confirmed by USCIS officials at my Oath Ceremony, I had not been in the US 5 years, and she gained her citizenship the exact same moment I gained mine, so not sure where this information "has to be physically present in the US for five years, at least two of which were after the age of 14" comes from. Or that "this has to be done AFTER the citizenship has been conferred". That just isn't correct.

If I am a U.S. citizen, is my child a U. S. citizen?

A child who is born in the United States, or born abroad to a U.S. citizen(s) who lived in (or came to) the United States for a period of time prior to the child’s birth, is considered a U.S. citizen at birth.

A child who is:

born to a U.S. citizen who did not live in (or come to) the United States for a period of time prior to the child’s birth, or

born to one U.S. citizen parent and one alien parent or two alien parents who naturalize after the child’s birth, or

adopted and is permanently residing in the United States can become a U.S. citizen by action of law on the date on which all of the following requirements have been met:

The child was lawfully admitted for permanent residence*; and

Either parent was a United States citizen by birth or naturalization**; and

The child was still under 18 years of age; and

The child was not married; and

The child was the parent’s legitimate child or was legitimated by the parent before the child’s 16th birthday (Stepchildren or children born out of wedlock who were not legitimated before their 16th birthday do not derive United States citizenship through their parents.); and

If adopted, the child met the requirements of section 101(B)(1)(E) or and has had a full and final adoption; and

The child was residing in the United States in the legal custody of the U.S. citizen parent (this includes joint custody); and

The child was residing in the United States in the physical custody of the U.S. citizen parent.

If you and your child meet all of these requirements, you may obtain a U.S. passport for the child as evidence of citizenship. If the child needs further evidence of citizenship, you may submit an "Application for Certificate of Citizenship" (Form N-600) to USCIS to obtain a Certificate of Citizenship. If the child meets the requirements of Section 101(B)(1) of the Immigration and Nationality Act as an adopted child, you may submit an “Application for Certificate of Citizenship on Behalf of an Adopted Child” (Form N-643). (Note: a child who meets these requirements before his or her 18th birthday may obtain a passport or Certificate of Citizenship at any time, even after he or she turns 18.)

Legal Opinion

The U.S. citizen parent has been physically present in the United States for at least five years, at least two of which were after the age of 14-or the U.S. citizen parent has a citizen parent who has been physically present in the United States for at least five years, at least two of which were after the age of 14; -comment- this has to be done AFTER the citizenship has been conferred, so in an additional 5 years

The child is under 18 years of age;

I have looked and looked and cannot find any information stating that the "physical presence" starts AFTER the citizenship.

Where did you cite this?

Everything I have read makes no indication that this "physical presence" must be whilst in Citizen Status.

Zyggy, where did you get this information - there is no link to what you have "quoted". When my daughter became a US citizen, her citizenship derived from mine, and confirmed by USCIS officials at my Oath Ceremony, I had not been in the US 5 years, and she gained her citizenship the exact same moment I gained mine, so not sure where this information "has to be physically present in the US for five years, at least two of which were after the age of 14" comes from. Or that "this has to be done AFTER the citizenship has been conferred". That just isn't correct.

The child has at least one U.S. citizen parent (by birth or naturalization);

The U.S. citizen parent has been physically present in the United States for at least five years, at least two of which were after the age of 14-or the U.S. citizen parent has a citizen parent who has been physically present in the United States for at least five years, at least two of which were after the age of 14; -comment- this has to be done AFTER the citizenship has been conferred, so in an additional 5 years

The child is under 18 years of age;

The child is residing outside the United States in the legal and physical custody of the U.S. citizen parent or, the U.S. citizen grandparent or legal guardian, if the U.S. citizen parent died. comment- I don't believe this is the case for you.. if your spouse had custody she would be living with you in the US correct

The child is temporarily present in the United States-having entered the United States lawfully and maintaining lawful status in the United States; and

The child must meet the requirements applicable to adopted children under immigration law

If the U.S. citizen parent of the child has died, a U.S. citizen grandparent or legal guardian may apply on behalf of the child within 5 years of the parent's death. (Note: For further information, please see Addition of Citizen Grandparents and Citizen Legal Guardians as Eligible Applicants pursuant to INA 322)

I think the only way you're going to be able to get US Citizenship for this child is to file an I-130 and have the child apply for a immigrant visa... and the only way that is going to happen is if the mother agrees to allow your husband to become the custodial parent... and that may take the assistance of a lawyer to make that happen...

ANd the process for Angelian Jolie is completely different... in her case she adopted the children.. that takes an I-600...

Zyggy,

Does this mean that when I apply for naturalization in 2008 and am eventually granted citizenship in, let's say, 2009, my 17 y.o. son won't be able to derive US citizenship from my naturalization process? He's currently in the US as an LPR and when I read the naturalization process, I had interpreted it to mean that my son will also automatically become a USC as soon as I naturalize.

No...

In your case, a Child under 18 whose parent becomes a US Citizen automatically becomes a US Citizen if they are a permanent resident of the US and they have legal and physical custody of the child which resides in the US...

It appears that you meet this condition... it appears that the OP does not..

That's right. On the day I became a USC my daughter automatically became a USC also. She was 17, lived with me, and was a LPR. We did not file an N-600, but chose to simply apply for a US Passport - which came in a couple of weeks. With our past USCIS experiences and the time they take to do anything, plus the cost of filing, it just made more sense to us. She hasn't needed a Naturalization Certificate for anything, and I can't see her needing one any time soon. She can file an N-600 any time in the future, if she feels the need.

I brought my dog, Sam, and a chinchilla, Rio, from the UK.

Neither of them needed any more than a check up at the vet and a certificate to say they were well enough to fly. We did not have to have rabies shots for either of them - it's required within a month of arriving in VA. As the UK is a rabies-free country, the shot is to protect your animal and as long as you keep it away from other rabid animals they'll be fine. I think the shot is a lot cheaper in the US than the UK.

I was surprised that a rodent didn't need to have anything more than a health check. But that was all Rio had.

BA were wonderful with them both - they were loaded last onto the plane, they were first off! It was July and we arrived at night. The Animal handlers at Dulles were just amazing - they came to the side immigration office, where I was waiting and waiting and waiting to fill in paperwork. The handler came and found me and told the IO that they had to process me swiftly as there were animals waiting to get out of cages - the animals' welfare was far more important than any paperwork they needed!!! lol If it wasn't for the dog and chinchilla, knowing how slow USCIS are, I'd probably still be there now!

Oh, and the first year the dog did suffer a bit with the heat, but 5 years later and he doesn't have a problem with it at all.

Always in the morning cos I feel grimey all day if I don't. Have to wash my hair every morning or it looks like a toilet brush! Sometimes I shower throughout the day, depending on what I am doing (gardening, painting, etc). In the evening if I feel clammy because it's hot, or sometimes a hot bath last thing at night ,with scented oils, just to relax. Whenever I feel the need really!

I make the bed when I come back into the bedroom after I have taken a shower. Sometimes my husband will do it before I get the chance - well trained, see! But..........I tell him not to because I like the bed to "air" a little before it's made.

As for hanging up a shirt you have worn all day so you can wear it again - yuck!

"Windows sucks anyway; Vista isn't worth a squirt of piss. Hardcore engineers use Linux/Unix."

Hubby asked me to post a reply for him on this one - he can't be bothered to sign in himself!!!

So, he says:-

"Windows is only good for games. Nobody develops games for a real operating system like Unix! A real operating system would be something like Solaris, HPUX, AIX or, to a lesser extent, Linux."

Okay, Okay, I know that he uses his "job speak" as a form of contraception! He is a Systems Admin. guy after all!!! lol

The address has to be a physical address, not a PO Box. Also, note that on some applications they clearly state it has to be "the address where you RESIDE".

Congress looks to adopt a new "illegal immigration policy" ???? So what's all the fuss about!!!. lol

I have a wee bit of a dilemna. My husband and I recently moved to a temporary residence while our house is being built and I cannot for the life of me find my UK passport. Its due to expire in July this year and I think that I have to send the old one in to get a new one? Has anyone ever been in this situation? I have torn the place apart looking for it and I just cannot figure out where the heck it could have got to.

Thanks for any advice,

Kat

UK Passport Agency - What to do if you lose your passport

Hope this helps.

G.