sarahaziz

"After putting a condom on the victim’s #######, one of the men bent over and ordered the victim to have sex with him."

This is the part I don't understand. How can he be "ready" if he isn't interested?

That's what I was thinking

he/she has been posting alot of homosexual related things up

some spanish peoople are pale with blue eyes

Yeah illegals def need to be kicked out, I'm getting tired of going everywhere and having to speak broken espanol at an american franchise owned places

OMG ^^^ I want to buy shoes for you now why do you do that wearing the soles out!! aWWWW that's what my grandpa used to do!!

Also those small fennal seeds if you chew on them they help with stomach pain. Once I find something natural and healing I gotta tell the whole world .

There is no god.

All I know is that people who claim that there's no God suddenly start praying when something bad happens to them...

ditto!

yup

It's making sex the basis of your whole life! Pure selfishness!!

Good point. But apparently that is now considered being civilized.

and how is heterosexuality not?

in an accepting society, homosexuality doesn't mean you have to give up anything. all of my gay friends who are my age want exactly the same things i do in life, and fully expect to get them. only HOMOPHOBIA makes problems.

and everyone i know who was raised by gay parents turned out perfectly fine.

Your response seems odd to me...like someone said earlier it's natural to be heterosexual because we can easily produce other human beings vs the modern way of "having kids" by adopting. Being heterosexual is a normal lifestyle and it's always been until openly being gay was accepted socially. Being homosexual you are willing to give up everything for someone of the same sex just so you can have SEX with that person and if you don't have sex with that person you're not considered GAY bec obviously you'll have sexual intercourse with who you are attracted to.

there are gay virgins. where are you getting this "giving up everything" business? a gay person living a heteronormative lifestyle while remaining in the closet gives up so much more: their chance at personal happiness.

lol i wasn't talking about virginity - think about it - how the majority of people who are opposed to homosexuality view homosexuals. You're opening yourself to more prejudice against you, people fearing to catch STD/AIDS from you, not wanting to associate with you, etc..

I don't hate homosexuals I just want to state that. I don't follow their beliefs but I've always met the nicest, warmest people to be homosexual (men - I'm scared of lesbians I had a lesbian teacher who looked like a man try to talk to me and I'm scarred for life!!). They shouldn't be ridiculed or killed, just keep the parades out and don't ask for attention because it's most likely to be negative and may lead to violence.

The whole heterosexuality comment isn't making sense to me lol

Give me a break. My first thought when i meet a gay man is not, Oh, they probably have AIDS. And even if they did have HIV or AIDS, most people are smart enough to know that you will not get HIV just by being around someone who is HIV positive. There is no room in my life for people who are that ignorant.

People who don't want to be around homosexuals are not worth being around. Homosexuals aren't the problem--it's ignorance. I know plenty of gay people who lead perfectly wonderful lives. Being gay didn't prevent them from having enormously successful careers in a mainstream profession. My dad's business partner and best friend is openly gay, and I have never heard of them losing a client because of it.

So you're saying that it is better to miserable all your life on the off chance that some incredibly ignorant person wouldn't want to associate with you? I think the choice is clear.

people who matter - your family siblings aunts uncles best childhood friends i.e. your parents friends not wanting to associate with your family anymore bc of you. I wouldn't want that hanging on my shoulders. My mother crying b/c I wanted to have sexual intercourse with a girl all my life. That's pretty selfish in my views then again I don't think there's too much parent child interaction anymore these days in America so I can see the deal of I'm gay so fk anybody who doesn't accept me.

Even knowing diseases and HIV can't be spread as easily people are still cautious - seriously if you need to comprehend that statement try telling a boss, co worker, teacher , friend that you have HIV/AIDS see how fast they'll distance themselves from you. There's too much advertising everywhere that unprotected sex and gays automatically link to HIV not everyone is educated on that fully.

I'm not homosexual so I don't have to worry about that kind of stuff I'm just thinking what they go through on a daily basis explaining they're gay. It's not that much of a welcoming world to homosexuals.

Salaam

Sorry you haven't had any answers but I do believe if you have a child born in USA they can petition for you . I hope you get a good response on here from somebody. You might want to post this somewhere else also for F1 visas

It's making sex the basis of your whole life! Pure selfishness!!

Good point. But apparently that is now considered being civilized.

and how is heterosexuality not?

in an accepting society, homosexuality doesn't mean you have to give up anything. all of my gay friends who are my age want exactly the same things i do in life, and fully expect to get them. only HOMOPHOBIA makes problems.

and everyone i know who was raised by gay parents turned out perfectly fine.

Your response seems odd to me...like someone said earlier it's natural to be heterosexual because we can easily produce other human beings vs the modern way of "having kids" by adopting. Being heterosexual is a normal lifestyle and it's always been until openly being gay was accepted socially. Being homosexual you are willing to give up everything for someone of the same sex just so you can have SEX with that person and if you don't have sex with that person you're not considered GAY bec obviously you'll have sexual intercourse with who you are attracted to.

there are gay virgins. where are you getting this "giving up everything" business? a gay person living a heteronormative lifestyle while remaining in the closet gives up so much more: their chance at personal happiness.

lol i wasn't talking about virginity - think about it - how the majority of people who are opposed to homosexuality view homosexuals. You're opening yourself to more prejudice against you, people fearing to catch STD/AIDS from you, not wanting to associate with you, etc..

I don't hate homosexuals I just want to state that. I don't follow their beliefs but I've always met the nicest, warmest people to be homosexual (men - I'm scared of lesbians I had a lesbian teacher who looked like a man try to talk to me and I'm scarred for life!!). They shouldn't be ridiculed or killed, just keep the parades out and don't ask for attention because it's most likely to be negative and may lead to violence.

Oh. And this just in. The Gay Pride Parade permit WILL be issued this year. So suck it, Langford.

ewwwww

LOL

That is kinda true, but not all people are like that. Every group has their share of good and bad. Personally I haven't met any Atheists who were nice talking to anyone who does believe in God but I'm sure there are good people out there.

This might be off topic but has anyone tried taking parsley for stomachaches? It really works. I've tried sucking on a lemon, sprite, alkaselzer nothing worked until I took parsley. It's good for bloating or feeling weak also. It's a good pick me up herb. You can get em powdered into pills too, I'd of course recommend organic. It was seriously within 5-7 mins the stomach pain went away.

religion gets talked about alot these days , I go to church sometimes with other arab girls or wait for my muslim friends to go out after mosque on Fridays so yeah it (religion or no religion) would eventually come up

Thank you all my MENA friends. That is so sweet. I just now got back from a trip to visit a vj sister, Asiya, and meet her new husband that just arrived from Algeria. We had a wonderful time and Hachemi and Kamal got along fabulously. I was catching up on vj and read my birthday greetings. Just made my day.

Happy birthday Sora_9_Dam3a!!!!

Meriem

Ohh that's wonderful , Goodluck to you both and many Blessings for happiness.

Did you watch the video, I don't have extra martial affairs, I never slept around, ever, not because of religion, because it was something I just did, my own personal belief, not for all people, but for me it works. I do things because it is the right thing to do, I just know this deep down, like I can’t hurt animals, children, old people. I don’t steal, lie, cheat, or kill, and not because I think I will get points for the extra life, no, because that is who I am. I have met wonderful people who believe in God, also met a lot of them, not so wonderful, same with anyone. If my husband is just doing the right thing because he is in fear of God, than what does that say about his core person? So don’t paint brush all people, I most likely live like a freaking nun, has nothing to do with God, but what makes me live with my own self.

Yeah you personally come off as a real nice person. People here at school have a club for "atheists" at my university under a diff name and they're always getting drunk outside of school and making rude remarks for Muslims/Christians in class since everything's based on Iraq,911, etc all that mess. They're not bad people deep down because it's truly Shaytan. They just lack to know what are their boundaries. That's just people at my school though and atheists I've met so far face to face. I've yet to meet a humble, respectful, good hearted one

I must admit, when I first read the heading to this thread, and a few of the posts, I thought we were heading for a train wreck. I am happy to see that so far the thread has been relatively informative and uneventful as far as drama goes.

I don't have much to add since I don't qualify from the original question sorry.

I am more of what you call a free thinker

And us religious folk are a bunch of lug heads?

Scientists can be, and frequently are, wrong!

Islam is also very patient and understanding... Only God can truly be the judge of what is acceptable and not. Discouraged is a better word

No, the Quran is quite clear that only chaste women from the ppl of the book are halal for muslim men to marry (other than muslim women of course).

So pretty much everyone on VJ-MENA were not an acceptable mate to marry their Muslim husbands!

Unchaste Muslims are not allowed to marry from among chaste Muslims, but are directed to marry other unchaste Muslims non-Muslims. The unchaste cannot marry from among the chaste. "Chastity" is not a term limited to virgins, but also includes those who have only had sexual relations within the bounds of marriage, and whose marriage(s) have ended by valid divorce or death.

Thanks VW for this post. I know a butt load of Muslim here that are roaming the state raping, pillaging, drugs, drinking, smoking, etc....basically bad apples that claim to be Muslim. They state that when they are ready they are going back to their country to find a wife that deserves them. I always wondered what that means..."a wife that deserves them"? What nice good Muslim woman deserves a husband like that? Now I see the joke is really on them! I honestly hope none of the good Muslim women end up marrying these horrible men.

Sorry to take it off topic, but I felt the need to comment.

I'm with you on that

I think if you've had more experiences you're on a different learning level vs someone who hasn't gone through that yet. Personally I think wife and husband go through life better when on the same page. It' avoids fights in my opinion

I noticed in Atheists (here face to face everyday in university) they don't have a sense of boundaries, they curse like heck, live in what I would consider sin, and curse God in front of those who do believe there is a God and I think because they don't fear for their death anymore. I think they are like that because they have lost faith in PEOPLE which it's not wise to keep faith in PEOPLE they will always let you down no matter what. God is who you shouldn't lose faith in. Day after day you are fed, clothed, we've been asked why we worry about tomorrow when it's in his hands.

Stoning/murders/beatings happening in ME/NA, USA or wherever it's because of people think themselves to be God and think they are making the world a better place in their minds. No human has the right to take the life of another only God the creator can do that. I don't accept that argument that God just lets things happen to break families. If you didn't go through hardship and got everything perfect and wonderful what kind of person would you be today? Paris Hilton?! I think personally if we did not go through all that we go through today we wouldn't learn how to go through life. We wouldn't obtain respect, moral, given honor after doing something good after going through such a hard time. Rewards would be useless if everything was perfect. When it's time for someone to go back to God it's his time no matter how he dies.

Majority of my spouse's and my family is Muslim. I'm Christian and didn't partake in any premarital affairs here in USA or back home it's just a personal/religious thing for me. My spouse wouldn't have married me if I had any affairs before marriage nor would I have married him if he did. His family wouldn't have accepted it nor My. Being Christian they accepted me openly I guess it has to do with family ties going back down the line/keeping myself pure before marriage and they DO know I converted to Christianity before we got engaged. My spouse cares I'm Christian to an extent he will respect me extra never to offend me when he talks about Islam and he listens whenever I talk about the Gospel and I'm interested to understand what he feels about the Quran time to time. We've honestly never argued over Christianity vs Islam b/c the basis and ways of life are exactly the same. We all (our families and us) As long as we both follow in God's path what bad can come in an interfaith marriage? Christians in Arab countries still say Salaam Alaykum and wording as Isa Al Masih Jesus is the Messiah they respect the Injil (bible) we wrap it in expensive delicate cloth as you have to respect the Quran/Torah. We know Shaytan and Shirk. The Tawheed in Christianity is easily similar to Islam but it's not brought up often. I think that's where differences comes in besides Muhammad.

I have a moroccan friend here who will marry another morroccan - how long do these AP waits usually take ?? 6 months - more or less?

They are a newly wed marriage so there arent any kids obtaining visa or divorce degrees to go through.

The only 2 sites I frequently use is isma.com, oqz8.com, i can post up other sites but they are in arabic if you can read it

I think it's safe to clear up that American women are taught not to be taken advantage of and to stand up for their rights since long time ago. That a man as a bachelor has enough time to do what he wants vs when he gets married he should be straightened out and stay with his wife and kids. I think American women are taught never let a man tell you whats right and wrong for your life this is your life. You take care of kids, clean, cook, work so you have the right over yourself.

In our culture (and I see the pattern with alot of other cultures in reserved areas) you're not really suppose to talk back to your husband unless he beats you , cheats or is just being impossible. We do have that right to speak up but not to ruin husbands respect alone or publically cuz if you don't make a man feel like a respected man he will stop acting like one. My father said your husband is always right and he will lead you in a good path with God so you must respect his authority and be by his side to take care of him. He also told me to become independent get my education, work part time if possible so if anything ever happens that cannot be reconciled I'd be able to take care of myself if no parents were alive.

I think there's a tiny bit of a difference b/t the 2.

It's making sex the basis of your whole life! Pure selfishness!!

Good point. But apparently that is now considered being civilized.

and how is heterosexuality not?

in an accepting society, homosexuality doesn't mean you have to give up anything. all of my gay friends who are my age want exactly the same things i do in life, and fully expect to get them. only HOMOPHOBIA makes problems.

and everyone i know who was raised by gay parents turned out perfectly fine.

Your response seems odd to me...like someone said earlier it's natural to be heterosexual because we can easily produce other human beings vs the modern way of "having kids" by adopting. Being heterosexual is a normal lifestyle and it's always been until openly being gay was accepted socially. Being homosexual you are willing to give up everything for someone of the same sex just so you can have SEX with that person and if you don't have sex with that person you're not considered GAY bec obviously you'll have sexual intercourse with who you are attracted to.

Alrighty ladies and gentleman.... I really appreciate the interaction but please can we keep this thread as the intended supporting aspect we so often need in this day and age? I know I didn't write it but I assumed we as adults would understand and appreicate one another's differences, choose to agree to disagree and move on. This is the Muslim thread... I have to wonder how some of you are acting are you helping or hurting the Islamic cause to anyone non muslim reading this thread. So please if would refrain from the name calling and take it off the thread and in your PM I would appreciate it.

lol i guess you haven't had the chance to see all the drama on this mena forum!

aww happy birthday to you guys (F)