wildroze22

i dont usual post, but for the first time in this process i am going a bit crazy.

we had some issues with our licensce... but there still hasnt been a touch on our AOS since jan 25! i know this doesnt really mean anything, but everything else has gone so smooth until now. we applied for AP late, since we werent expecting to travel...

i tried calling after 60 days, but got the typical "its still inside processing time", so i will just wait!

this might be a stupid question but...

we are in the midst of AOS. my husband has his EAD, but we are still waiting for his GC. we did not file AP because we were not expecting to travel. we just found out a close family member is getting married in july, and would like to make it to the wedding. is it possible to apply for AP even now after his application is already there? Is there an extra fee? is it worth it at this point??

thanks for all your advice

no... only the israelis have ever persecuted because of race or religion in the middle east... really?

Who said that ? Quote, please.

Why Jews Fled the Arab Countries

by Ya'akov Meron

Middle East Quarterly

September 1995

.....etc. etc.

Middle East Quarterly ????? Are you frickin serious ?????? LMAO. This is a hardcore Zionist propaganda site with absolutely no credibility, brought to you by Chief Islamophobe Daniel Pipes -- the same man who said:

"There can be either an Israel or a Palestine, but not both. To think that two states can stably and peacefully coexist in the small territory between the Jordan River and the Mediterranean Sea is to be either naïve or duplicitous. If the last seventy years teach anything, it is that there can be only one state west of the Jordan River. Therefore, to those who ask why the Palestinians must be deprived of a state, the answer is simple: grant them one and you set in motion a chain of events that will lead either to its extinction or the extinction of Israel."

I'm at work now but don't worry -- I'll be back later when I have a bit of time, and I'll bust up that piece of ####### line by line.....

i believe that you agree with his quote no? that only one state can exist west of the jordan river? or have i been interpreting your comments wrong?

if you dont like that article i can pull a million more. www.jimena.org is one page discussing the expulsion of jews from arab countries after similar persecution as other jews recieved in european countries. "The Forgotten Millions: The Modern Jewish Exodus from Arab Lands", "The anti -Jewish Farhd in Baghdad", "North African Jewry in the Twentieth Century", etc...

oh and that first sentance was my own, not a quote... otherwise i wouldve quoted it.

no... only the israelis have ever persecuted because of race or religion in the middle east... really?

Why Jews Fled the Arab Countries

by Ya'akov Meron

Middle East Quarterly

September 1995

Ya'akov Meron holds a doctorate in law from the Faculté de Droit de Paris and is an authority on Islamic law and the law of Arab countries. He was a member of the Israeli delegation to negotiate the peace treaty with Egypt and to solve the Taba issue.

In a key address before the Political Committee of the U.N. General Assembly on November 14, 1947, just five days before that body voted on the partition plan for Palestine, Heykal Pasha, an Egyptian delegate, made the following key statement in connection with that plan:

The United Nations . . . should not lose sight of the fact that the proposed solution might endanger a million Jews living in the Moslem countries. Partition of Palestine might create in those countries an anti-Semitism even more difficult to root out than the anti-Semitism which the Allies were trying to eradicate in Germany. . . If the United Nations decides to partition Palestine, it might be responsible for the massacre of a large number of Jews.

....

"It would seem that most people in Egypt are unaware of the fact that among Egyptian Muslisms there are some who have white skin. Every time I board a tram I hear people pointing at me with a finger and saying "Jew," "Jew." I have been beaten more than once because of this. For that reason I humbly beg that my picture (enclosed) be published with the explanation that I am not Jewish and that my name is Adham Mustafa Galeb."

Remarkably, some Palestinians have come to see Jewish sovereignty in Israel in terms of a population exchange, and as the necessary price to be paid for the Arab expulsions. 'Isam as-Sirtawi, who participated in some well-known terrorist operations but later excelled in seeking contact with the Israelis, told Ha-'Olam Ha-zé editor Uri Avneir that he gave up terrorism against Israel and instead began promoting negotiations when he realized that Israel serves as the asylum for Jews expelled from Arab countries; and that there is no going back along that path.44 Sabri Jiryis, director of the Institute of Palestine Studies in Beirut, enumerated in 1975 the factors leading to the establishment of the State of Israel. The Arab states had much to do with this, for they expelled the Jews "in a most ugly fashion, and after confiscating their possessions or taking control thereof at the lowest price." These Jews then

Participated in the reinforcement of Israel, its strengthening and fortification to the degree we see it as present. . . . There is no need to say that the problem of those Jews and their passage to Israel is not merely theoretical, at least from the viewpoint of the Palestinian problem. Clearly, Israel will raise the question in all serious negotiation that may in time be conducted over the rights of the Palestinians. . . . Israel's arguments take approximately the following form: "It is true that we Israelis brought about the exodus of the Arabs from their land in the war of 1948 . . . and that we took control of their property. In return however you Arabs caused the expulsion of a like number of Jews from Arab countries since 1948 until today. Most of these went to Israel after you seized control of their property in one way or another. What happened, therefore, is merely a kind of 'population and property transfer,' the consequences of which both sides have to bear. Thus Israel gathers in the Jews from Arab countries and the Arab countries are obliged in turn to settle the Palestinians within their own borders and work towards a solution of the problem". Israel will undoubtedly advance these claims in the first real debate over the Palestinian problem.45

In brief, 'Arif, Sirtawi, and Jiryis recognize that the expulsion of a million Jews from the Arab countries renders the return of Arab refugees infeasible. This realization is compounded by the fact that almost half a century has elapsed since the beginning of the refugee problem, both Arab and Jewish, within the Arab-Israeli conflict. Those individuals to be involved in any future rehabilitation program will mostly be heirs, and even grandchildren, of the original refugees.

Thank you for responding. A muslim says "Bismillah" (translation = in the name of God) directly before slaughtering the animal and I had always assumed jews did this as well but after researching kosher a bit further, my understanding is that this is not true. Like you said, some say a blessing but it's not necessary for the "kosher" label to be applied to the product.

I've also been reading about the different "kosher" labels in the US and it's my understanding that there is no law governing the use of this label as that would go against separation of church and state. Do you have any insight about this? The way it seems is that any company, jewish or non, can slap a "K" on the product and claim it's kosher without any kind of recompense if it's not. Is there any one in particular strict/orthodox jews in this country trust more than others?

lol. this is actually a huge debate. there is no rule govering the use of kosher. each organization has its own symbol, which is why youll often see more than one symbol on a package. any company can put a K on their box, and that doesnt mean its kosher. a U with a circle around it is orthodox union, meaning it has been overseen by an american orthodox rabbi. a K with a circle or a triangle around it are different rabbis. in israel, each sect or area has its own rabbinical suppervision and its own symbol. some jews will eat all of them, some only the U, some with only a certain rabbis suppervision.

i would say in america, most religious jews eat the OU, or products shipped from israel. that is kind of the strictist level here.

Do you mean it's impossible in the sense that it is unknown (as in "no one knows it"/"G-d has no name") or the sense that it is not pronounced (out of reverence)? I figured a lot of people may not understand the impossibility. Out of curiosity, if you attend a synagogue, do they use one of the other titles when it comes to the 4 letters (which of course doesn't happen often)? I know ours does, but I was curious about yours.

i meant that no one knows it, and the names we do use can only be used in the context of a prayer. i guess its debatable if using the name alone is part of a prayer... ive just never heard of a jew doing it. and similarly, it depends on the context when using the four letters. in prayer its ok to use the highest, but in everyday writing and speaking its mostly hashem.

We know that Jews slaughter their meat like the muslims by pronouncing God's name on it making it 'Kosher'

Hi, can you please provide some jewish point of reference that says they mention God's name over the animal before slaughtering it?

there are arguments over this just as halal. some say that a blessing needs to be said in the morning before slaughter, others say it needs to be said right before being killed, others not at all. it is not a rule for making things kosher.

jews do however say a blessing before eating it... which is similar. but again, its not gds name, as that would be impossible. its a blessing

ETA-- Wildroze-- if your FDH (future DH) is religious (and either jewish or messianic), depending on where you live I'd bring as much with him as possible-- it can be really expensive here in the US!!

thanks... luckily my area has a sizable jewish population... even mizrahi. more expensive sometimes, but at least its there when we need it.

woah, sorry everyone! im actually here in israel with him now, so my timing is a bit different than most of yours. but thanks for the congrats! we had a little bump (the police sent the wrong form) but it worked out in three weeks.

as of now he will be coming in early october (after the holidays) and we will start the next process. good luck to everyone, and thanks!

you can add us to the list too...

wildroze22.....................Israel, K-1....................7/27/07.............SUCCESS!!!!

awesome news, Wildrose!

I have not seen you around here much, so it nice to read your post of your good news!

thanks! things have been crazy (i just moved myself) and with the past i tend not to post.. but now that things are moving and im more of an "old timer" maybe ill post more!

just found out our interview is 7/25... feels like forever away, but at least its on the schedule!

my noa2 was also may, may 9..

good luck to all of us!

ive got a different question.... can one use money in a trust to meet the requirements? its there, im just not sure where that would belong under.

WE GOT OUR NOA2 today!!!!! good wednesday!

NOA2!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! WE GOT AN EMAIL! we are on our way!

and i was so worried... no touch, just an approval.... and im an end of feb filer! there IS HOPE

my so is fluent... usually more so than he believes. he works for an american company here in israel, and spent almost all of his undergraduate years communicating in english. for some reason he thinks hes not fluent though... mostly fear im sure.

his family thinks i speak crazy fast and are always making fun of me for it (they are not fluent in english at all)... and dont realize i feel the same way about their hebrew! native speakers almost always speak wayyy too fast...

good friday to those celebrating... its always so interesting to watch the customs in jerusalem.

hello from israel, happy pesach to those still celebrating

old posts!

why?

yay for today! because as of this week ive graduated college, had my birthday and am on my way to see my SO! yay for a great ending to a stressful week... and yay for future time in israel!

csc-er here... waiting waiting.

good news is that ill be with my baby in a week!

im joining those in pain today. not nearly enough sleep because my stress over my thesis and more decided to manifest itself in my chronic back pain. im not enjoying it

in the good news, ill be in israel within two weeks, with my baby. gah, if i can survive that long!

at least were all over the hump of this week

my SO is completely fluent, but he STILL worries about it. he knows that i love his accent, but hes worried about the connotations. i just try to remind him all the time that he is fluent, and can do it... sometimes ill even use my sad hebrew to show him what a real language barrier is.

im not sure how else to help it though, i wish i did

the first of my two thesis papers gets turned in today! ahh im so nervous, ive been working on it so long, and im not sure i want anyone else to read it or judge it... yay for mondays!

from my looks people always think im spanish or turkish. i was born and raised in the us, and for some reason people are usually surprised by that. the whole 'exotic' look i guess.

my SO is israeli. for some reason no one ever wants to say that. he gets a lot of north african countries (his family is from morocco...) and a lot of turkish. people usually think he doesnt speak english well, because of his accent, when in reality he is perfectly fluent. when he tells people hes israeli theres a lot of... "ohhh... yea its hell livin over there isnt it?"

which really pisses him off