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On 3/5/2019 at 10:16 AM, samuelam said:

Here you go.

 

As long as the F2A visa is available before 12/1/2019. He is still consider as under 21 year old and protected by CSPA act.

 

 

NVC changed his category, they told him he is not eligible for this visa.

4 minutes ago, aaron2020 said:

Once again, you are not the only person in India doing an arranged marriage.  They do have an idea by now, you keep thinking wrongly that they don't.

 

How many people in India are quickly in arranged marriages after her entire family immigrated leaving her alone in India?  How many cases of arranged marriages in India involves these facts?   I am going to say the vast majority of arranged marriages in India do not involve these facts.  

Ya, but its not her fault that her parents are in US, Im saying why not judge a relationship based on the proof we provided rather then judging it solely on her parents going to US.

2 minutes ago, Cathi said:

Wait for the letter of NOIR/NOID and respond with as much evidence that you have of a bonafide marriage.

 

I have a friend whose husband is from Morocco and they were denied both a K-1 and a CR-1. When she got the NOIR in 2008, she sent boxes and boxes of additional evidence. It took fours and a half years but after her husband was granted another interview after the NOIR, he was approved. She did the entire process from filing the K-1 up to and including the NOIR, without an attorney. 

Thank you.

8 minutes ago, Boiler said:

What is the Indian tradition about leaving a single daughter behind?

Im not sure where is this coming from? She had a job, other family memebrs there and a house there she didn't need to be babysitted. I made this thread to ask people who had same situation and what did they do? If you want to be sarcastic and ask nasty questions like this instead of providing solution, think twice. I hope this never happens to you because its devestating to know that you wont see your loved ones for even longer time then expected.

1 minute ago, Mr & Mrs said:

I was not raising a question ,What i was trying to say is you did a marriage in good faith and i am totally agree with you in indian tradition ,things happened in day or two no doubt but like i said they follow those guidelines like you should have gave it more time between that period after her family applied for her and also before you get married because you and I  know what indian tradition is but they don't .They only work on facts like what they see not what on we believe or what we do. 

True, I mean im not the only person in india doing arrange marriage so they would have idea by now.

18 minutes ago, Mr & Mrs said:

Yes ,that was little fast and after reading this whole thread it seems like you married her soon after she couldn’t come to US with her family .You should have did this marriage in good faith but things like these  raise questions in CO mind and they just take decision on facts what they see and they could be right or wrong .Like your marriage could be totally legitimate but CO don't think this way but still personally they should have put it under investigation like they can use local agencies for further investigations but they do what they have been taught. They just read that book of instructions and work straight out of it so you should have follow their book of guide and even things are legitmate ,then even always try to follow those steps if you know what i mean. 

Why do you say I should have did this marriage in good faith. This marriage was done in good faith, just because it was arranged marriage doesn't mean it was not in good faith. In india, people decides to get married after meeting with each other in 1 day. I spent many days together. My sister in law, decided to get married on 2nd day of meeting, and they only spent 1 month together after. They didn't have any trouble with visa process because the CO knows about arrange marriage. Its the previous visa thing getting in the way. Even my sister met with her husband one time, and spent 2 weeks together. I spent 4 months with her, yet they won't look at that.

Just now, Mr & Mrs said:

ok so you only knew her one month prior to marriage ? is that right? if it is then yes thats raise a questions.

2 months, it was arrange marriage.

Just now, Mr & Mrs said:

Wow man this is totally devastating ,how could they do that without single evidence . what questions they asked to your wife?

Who is calling you?

How did you meet?

Where is her family?

Did her family applied for visa for her?

Did your parents set you up with marriage?

Show album and tell me what ceremony is this, did that couple times. Then they took album inside and came out with two documents.

Just now, Debzib88 said:

if you didn't have a wedding with 1200 guests, you would have been able to move 🙈😅 

 

I wish you every success in your petition. And do hope it's for love and not through the purposes of gaining a GC to many people waste uscis time and delay the rest of us trying to move to be with our loved ones. 

If this was done for getting GC, I would of accepted their decision and not fight back. I would of not went back to visit her as well.

Thank you, she will be with me, this is just a temporary set back.

3 minutes ago, WeGuyGal said:

NO ONE here is saying the marriage is a sham. You seem to be misquoting the jist of several posts. Your marriage could be as real as anyone elses. 

 

You have to see through what the CO in your wife's petition. There were several flags as have now been pointed out to you. Even as the marriage could be real, the CO had enough doubts to not issue the marriage-based visa for now. 

Right, so how do i prove them that the marriage is real?

38 minutes ago, Apple Bee said:

Sorry, there's a lot of hateful, mean-spirited people on this board unfortunately.

Thanks

31 minutes ago, adil-rafa said:

A lawyer can not help change the mind of the CO at embassy

you need to do what many of us (dealing with high fraud countries ) do

make as many return visits as you can

and reapply

i went thru a 6 year process (K1 in 2009 with visa in July 2015)

it is hard and heartbreaking 

and you need only to go thru a long and lengthy process with return trips to prove to immigration,  the marriage is valid and you are sincere 

and No one is judging you here,   we say what the CO notices and what they preceive

stay with it and prove immigration wrong

my opinion only here / don't wait for the NOIR /NOID

just reapply as i fought our denial in Immigraiton Court of Appeals and won  (marriage bona fida)  but they said reapply/  so time was wasted

6 years apart wow, so you suggest to reapply and fight?

The CO made judgement based on his thinking, rather then looking at proof of our relationship. I don't have to agree with him, so I will fight that decision by either submitting more proof or whatever the lawyer suggested, I'll hire a lawyer who has fought this type of cases before. The lawyer also can file a caveat and fight with USCIS. I was hoping if someone else has fought this type of case but it seems like im the only one who received this notice since everyone here keeps telling me what CO thinks, I respect what you guys are saying, which i know it too that he thinks her parents are trying to bring her here and that the marriage is sham, but im not looking here to know what's going on in CO's head.

Just now, WeGuyGal said:

FYI.. cannot have two weddings. One is a wedding, the other one has to be a celebration of the wedding. 

Yes, thats what I meant, one is simple wedding that we did and registered with court which is our official wedding and second was done with all of our family which is celebration and ceremony invovled. I mean the ceremony was involved in the court marriage was too, but it wasnt big.

1 minute ago, Paul & Mary said:

 

You clearly don't understand how this works then.   The only thing that matters is what the CO thinks.

 

 

That response was for that guy who said im plan B

58 minutes ago, aaron2020 said:

In most arranged marriages, the parents have to at least talk to each other and have an understanding of at least meeting before thousands of dollars are spent for the entire family to fly to India and talk marriage or to marry.

 

Is the US Embassy to believe that your entire family arranged vacations and spent thousands of dollars to go to India in the hope of you getting married without leads?  

You have an uphill battle.  You will need a lawyer if you want to pursue this.  

Our parents were talking and discussing if we agree how and where the marriage will be done, like i said we met their parents almost 2 months prior to me leaving for india. Once I came to india we spent time and decdied to get married we married 1 month later in simple way because her parents couldn't get time off from job. But then he was finally able to get time off so then we planned a wedding around 3 months later, in which time we prepared for wedding and were together spending time. Our parents were talking before i started talking with my now wife.

2 minutes ago, Boiler said:

Category is F4

 

Nothing to hear about until sometime c2030 or so.

 

You do make it very much sound you are Plan B.

I don't care what anyone says or what CO thinks, We lived together for 4 months after marriage. I know her family and I know her sisters family for 16 years.

8 minutes ago, adil-rafa said:

A lawyer can not help change the mind of the CO at embassy

you need to do what many of us (dealing with high fraud countries ) do

make as many return visits as you can

and reapply

i went thru a 6 year process (K1 in 2009 with visa in July 2015)

it is hard and heartbreaking 

and you need only to go thru a long and lengthy process with return trips to prove to immigration,  the marriage is valid and you are sincere 

and No one is judging you here,   we say what the CO notices and what they preceive

stay with it and prove immigration wrong

my opinion only here / don't wait for the NOIR /NOID

just reapply as i fought our denial in Immigraiton Court of Appeals and won  (marriage bona fida)  but they said reapply/  so time was wasted

If I was finanacially stable I would of have no problem living there until she gets visa but I take care of my parents and have to support my wife, and i can't do that living in india. I will try making visit as much as possible but it cant be for too long.

9 minutes ago, WeGuyGal said:

Is she ok living away from her newly married husband AND away from her entire immediate family? You should ideally have a conversation with her. 

I mean no, no one is ok living away from their family and especially spouse, but she understands that there is no other choice. She was crying after the interview, but she knows its temporarily, she will come to me no matter what its just question of when.

7 minutes ago, WeGuyGal said:

ok.. bottom line is she couldn't come because she turned 21. She did not get a visa to join her entire immediate family in the US!

 

Let's not get hung up on semantics..

Her sister filed for sibling over 21, which is f2B i believe. Not sure what happen to it, her sister told me they never heard anything from them after they filed in 2015. She try contacting USCIS to see if that caused this mess but they wont give her answer, USCIS told her to hire a lawyer.

4 minutes ago, Bill & Katya said:

This ^^^^

 

With one suggestion, if a second interview is held based on a successful NOIR appeal, the OP may want to consider being there in person.

I should of been there at interview but i just visited her 2 months ago so i didn't go. I would love to move to india but Im not financially unstable since I recently graduated and my contract to one of my job just ended. Im looking for 2nd job so i can pay off my student loan, the skills i have is with DoD so i wont be much of use in india and that has no value, so it would be better for me to stay in usa and support her financially while we wait for this process. I also support my parents, since they are old, so i cant leave them here. The only option i see is wait it out and visit her much as possible and support her financially from here.

30 minutes ago, WeGuyGal said:

Not to your case.

 

CO was adjudicating your wife's case in light of her previous visa denial, her entire family in the US and she being left out, and her relatively quick wedding to a USC. 

She wasn't denied any visa.

5 minutes ago, aaron2020 said:

While arranged marriages are common in India, most people don't have your particular facts.  Most arranged marriages in India don't involve immigrating to the US.  People have been know to arrange fake marriages for their children to immigrate to the US.

 

Your USC sister-in-law filed for her parents as Immediate Relatives.  Derivative beneficiaries are not allowed.  Your wife was never going to immigrate with them.  (CSPA and aging out is not an issue here).  

Shorting after immigrating to the US without their daughter, the US Embassy suspects that they arranged a fake marriage for their daughter to immigrate.  

 

You are connected to her family, you weren't a suiter that she met.  Her family arranged your love affair.  That's suspicious given that it was done shortly after they immigrated and she couldn't.

 

You knew her about a month before going to India.  How long before hand did you buy the tickets?  Did you buy them a week after talking to her and then waited 3 weeks to take your trip?

 

You married her after 2 weeks there.  In 6 weeks between meeting her, you were married in a giant wedding with 1200 people.  How easy is it to arrange a wedding that quick?  Seems like something that would take a few months to arrange.  Seems like the wedding was planned and the only thing missing was a US citizen groom.

 

That's the suspicion.  How was a 1200 guests wedding arranged after you started to talk six weeks prior?  Sound normal to you?

I bought my ticket to india 2 months before I started talking to her. me and my family already planned to go India to me married. We just happen to find someone in my dad's friends group, who then I married. The traditional marraige was done 3 months after my court marraige and the court marriage was done because her parents couldn't get vacation from job so then we got married simple way but then they were allowed vacation so we started preparation for wedding which took 3 months after.

My sister in law filed for her in 2015 for sibling but that filed never came through, this is 4 years ago and they are connecting that to my case.

1 minute ago, arken said:

We are giving you options including asking some questions to see what could have made the CO feel the marriage is fraud. You haven’t responded to some questions but you seem to feel like CO should have granted her the visa just because arrange marriage is common in India and some other people were granted the visa. Each case is judged by its own evidences. 

 

You can definitely hire a lawyer and waste money just to get the same information you are getting here.

 

 

No, I think they should of atleast not send the file back to USCIS and if they didn't want to believe us or see the proof then they should of done investigation, which i don't mind if they want to do investigation but straight out calling our marriage sham without a single evidence is wrong.