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52 minutes ago, AussieTam said:
If you don't like the advice then do not take it. I think you should apply for 90 day fiance the show. Everyone should get the opportunity from learning from someone as brilliant and educated as yourself.
Did you come here to answer the question....oh no..that's right....you're just following the herd
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1 hour ago, Jaquelly said:
Also, not every couple can financially afford to showboat a huge ring and fly back and forth multiple times per year.
Making assumptions that you can outsmart the embassy or USCIS by flaunting fancy vacations seems silly. They've been doing this a lot longer than an applicant has. Following the instructions, providing the evidence and doing your research (including the posts on this forum) is the best way to respond to your RFE.
Why try to be clever about it?
There's a lot of people that go through the K1 process that have no business being married in the first place because they don't have the funds to take care of themselves, much less another person.
If you would have read what I wrote, I SAID I was going to strictly follow the instructions.....as opposed to blindly follow advice without foundation. I don't have a RFE. I wanted to know what prompted some folks to get RFEs and it's pretty obvious that most who have replied don't know yet are eager to give their 2 cents.
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1 hour ago, SusieQQQ said:
Well, it is if the other person is only in it for a green card.
but like I said, it was no comment on your case, just that what you stated as “proof” is only (potential) proof of one side.
As others have said, good luck with your case.i think everyone here is keenly hoping you keep the thread updated through your progress.
I swear the twisting of facts and perceptions of those who don't follow the board's advice of monkey see, monkey do.
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1 hour ago, geowrian said:
The 50% divorce rate is misleading. Anyway, the US divorce rate is around a 40 year low right now.
It's still fraud....just that the petitioner isn't in on it and is a victim instead of accomplice.
IOs and COs don't care about ring size. Plenty of people have been approved with no ring at all and it never came up as an issue.
More effort does not mean more money. Some of the laziest people I know put lots of money towards a relationship. There's no data to suggest that spending more money results in a higher likelihood of approval for a fiancee/spouse visa.
RFE the person for what, exactly? IOs don't assess the validity of the relationship for the I-129F. COs handle that aspect.
Actually your response is misleading. Trips cost money. I suppose those lazy people make lots of trips.
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20 minutes ago, Scandi said:
The first two are from high fraud countries. The last two look like they brought it upon themselves. The first one....it's iffy...could be no reason other than the country. Or they could have mentioned they met online in a brief statement. Not enough information. Then you have the old form vs new form issue.
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7 hours ago, Naes said:
I myself wouldnt trust a lawyer after what I heard and would do it myself even if I had millions to spare..
if you want something right, do it yourself.
Everyone has a different view on how to spend their money.
No truer words have ever been spoken. I hired a lawyer once in a civil suit about 10 years ago over a real estate dispute. I won on appeal representing myself after he lost the case at the trial level. Lawyers ain't all that. The rest is history.
I'd rather spend my money on my woman than give it to a lawyer who will undoubtedly drag his feet....since he likely will charge by the hour. They lack incentive to get your case done as fast as possible.
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2 hours ago, SusieQQQ said:
No comment on your particular situation but this statement at face value is somewhat naive. One partner spending a lot of money is not in any way proof of the other’s bona fide intentions. The whole M.O. of romance scams, immigration and otherwise, involve one partner thinking it’s the real deal and expending copious amounts of money and energy on the other. Again I’m in no way saying you are being duped, just that by itself you buying a $20k ring doesn’t prove her side.
It's not naive. It is what it is. The divorce rate is like 50% anyway...never mind the K1 route. Including evidence of a bona fide relationship is just that, and I will. If the petitioner believes it, it's not fraudulent, now is it? Being duped is not fraud....it's being duped. Am I being duped? No. Could I use a ring from a crackerjack box and she wouldn't care? Yes. But if I did that then the IO would think the commitment level is non-existent....a red flag. The more effort....aka money...you spend, whether it be plane tickets, hotel stays, rings, etc., not only does it show a relationship, but it puts the 'cheap frauds' to bed. If I was an IO....any petition that only had one meeting and the overall costs were nil, I'd RFE that sucker...especially if it were from a high fraud country. I happen to have recently found that reality show "90 day fiance'" on TLC, IIRC. You want to talk fraud, there is a couple of OBVIOUS frauds front and center broadcast for all to see.
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20 minutes ago, Scandi said:
Just search for "RFE circumstances of meeting" and you'll find tons of threads about people getting RFEs for not telling their stories about "the circumstances under which the petitioner and beneficiary initially met to establish the relationship", not to be confused with "meeting in person".
I just did that search and I didn't find much. From what I gathered, it seems as though some filers brought the RFEs upon themselves....they told their story but it raised questions.
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11 minutes ago, N-o-l-a said:
We have a weird case, but for the approved I-129F, we just did passport stamps/boarding passes and maybe 3 or 4 photos with dates written under them. That was it. On the other hand our I-130 that we used later on had no evidence. Yep, no chat logs, no front loading, none of that.
My first ring was less than $300 and cz. #truelove. My current one is moissanite.
If you've got the cash, you should do whatever makes you happy, but I don't think $$$$ for a ring is going to be quite the evidence you are hoping, especially with that region of the world or anywhere. It could prompt questions of gold-digging or whatever on her part.
Ha, she's not paying for it. I'm sure she'd be happy with a $300 CZ. If questions of gold-digging get brought up, then the IO would believe she's American.
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4 minutes ago, Lemonslice said:
Some pay much more than that.
I'd like to see that. If you're Russian and want to get here, you can do it without this process and for a heck of a lot less than $20K.
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Just now, jakelake said:
Who takes pictures holding dated receipts? That certainly would bring up a red flag? It's as if you are trying too hard not to appear fraud. Sometimes trying too hard not to appear fraudulent can bring unwanted attention.
By the way, fraudulent cases do sometimes involve big money. Some people will go to extremes to get a green card. Also, you could have receipts and then return the expensive items within 30 days. people do that all the time.
People that follow the instructions, that's who. If you can find a time,temperature, and date sign to stand in front of, that works too, as well as holding a newspaper. You are REQUIRED to provide proof of an 'in person' meeting within the last 2 years. Taking a picture together only provides HALF of what they are looking for.
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7 minutes ago, jakelake said:
if you don't get any examples, then what are you going to do? Will you delay the process until you get examples?
If it is a legitimate relationship and you provide the necessary documents, then there should not be any problems. If you think that there may be a problem, then that is why an evolution of relationship letter is helpful.
Everyone's case is different because there are different embassies and different consular officers who will make decisions on certain things. Even if someone has the exact case as someone else, the outcomes could be different depending on how their respective officer feels and interprets their cases.
Even though a question may be yes or no on a form, you still may be asked to provide more details on that later.
Millions of people have gone through this process and have been approved. Yet you are nitpicking about something that is probably not a big deal. It is only a big deal if the relationship is not legit.
No, actually I think (as well as a couple of others) that people inadvertently bring suspicion upon themselves by 'overdoing' their application, even front loading to the point of suspicion. Submissions to the Embassy for interviews are different than the initial vetting, in my opinion. Sometimes less is more.
I'll tell you exactly what I'm going to do. I'm going to follow the instructions. I am sending pictures of us standing in front on the US Embassy in Moscow (they should like the humor), Red Square, etc., and most importantly, pics of us holding dated receipts, etc., that without-a-doubt ties us together within the last 2 years (as they want). I am also sending pictures of us in her home town, with the same kind of dates tied to the pictures. Then of course, the boarding passes and passport will match with those dates. Lastly, I am going to send pictures of us with her wearing her engagement ring, which my wholesale + 10% markup is almost $20K...and those receipts will be copied as well. As well as the insurance policy on it. The simple fact of the matter is that fraudulent cases don't invest that kind of $$ in a relationship.
I'm not going to put a million pictures in there or a thousand pages of whatever. I'm going to put a few in there that say everything that needs to be said.
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2 minutes ago, Happytobe said:
Here’s my two cents.... if you had met on a dating site, but marked “no” to the question and omit that information from your story.... if/when they see that you did meet on a dating site, that would be material misrepresentation. They look and find out more about you and the beneficiary than what meets the eye. So, do what you want. Be honest and cover your bases, or not. If the government discovers at any point that they were given misinformation, benefits can be revoked. You say you’re plenty familiar with laws... so there you go. (If I’m off on any of this, someone will come and correct me)
Just to clarify, there isn't a question about regular websites, only marriage broker (IBM) websites. If you mark 'no' on question 55 and met on match.com, etc., then that's not a misrepresentation.
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22 minutes ago, Suss&Camm said:
I thought you were looking for ppl who did get rfe's? Or were you just looking for stories that re-affirm your notion of how it should be?
I'll take either....just as long as the answer isn't "just follow our blind advice with no supporting information or scenario". I'm looking for real world RFE's because they didn't include this information (that most responders say is necessary, although the instructions don't ask for it) or the lack thereof for not including their story....
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26 minutes ago, usmsbow said:
This is what I wrote (this thread made me curious, so I looked at our I-129f):
"We met in her hometown for 5 days in October 2013 and for 3 weeks in February 2014."
That was it. Provided passport stamp copies and boarding passes that were proof of those visits. No story about how we met online, just how we met in person. No RFE.
THANK YOU!! We have a winner.
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18 minutes ago, Eu_Sou_Douglas said:
To the OP - I hired an attorney for this process just to have guidance in the event something went wrong. We filed at the end of June and have not received our NOA2 or any RFEs yet. My attorney strongly advised me to include specific information regarding the site where my fiance and I met, specifically:
- Name of the website
- Terms of Service (if not available, an email from their support / customer service indicating they ARE NOT IMBRA)
- Membership Fees paid / dates of paid membership
- Evidence(s) of contact on/through website, if available, to establish origin of relationship and that we were not introduced by a 3rd party or offered anything to begin the relationship
- A notarized letter, one written by me and one written by her, clearly stating HOW we met, WHEN we met, our PLANS TO MARRY, and how much we love each other. These points were crystal clear - HOW, WHY, PLANS to MARRY.
He did not give specifics but mentioned a prior case he learned that dating sites are becoming a targeted point of interest for USCIS and he expects social media to be brought under the investigation scope umbrella for these applications as early as Q2/Q3 of next year. (2018) In fact, this information was requested on his Evidence Letter that clearly listed everything he required to submit our 1-29F. While I understand that you have a very specific, black and white approach to your question, if you just alienate other members you won't receive the direct answer you seek. A little respect goes a long way in a community like this. While this is not the concise answer you are looking for, I felt it was relevant to factor into your decision on how you will proceed with your petition. Best of luck to everyone out there. Thank God this is only a one time process.
A notarized letter, now this I can see. But anyone can make up a story....no matter how compelling your story is, if it's not a sworn statement, it's hearsay.
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X_driven_X I've read the IMBRA statutes. I've also read the underlying code of federal regulations for the I129F. I'm sure that's rare. I simply want to see examples whereby someone didn't tell their story and got dinged with a RFE.
That's not a hard question.
Of the two examples I've researched from the RFE master list, it was obvious the filers told their story but brought it upon themselves since they weren't specific. High fraud countries, I can see why a RFE is issued for no rhyme or reason.
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9 minutes ago, jan22 said:
But, you seem to believe you know best and are only looking for confirming answers, so I am out of this discussion.
Actually, I asked a very specific question, and you can't give a specific answer. Adding 'fluff' to an application can lead to problems just as it can lead to benefits. Anything you say can and will be used against you if they don't like what you said.
Now, once again, is there anyone out there who didn't tell their story of how they initially met......if it is different than their 'in person' meeting....like, for example, they met online.....that got a RFE for NOT telling this 'not asked for information' when they filled their I129-F??
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27 minutes ago, jan22 said:
While they are two different things, and I obviously don't know your story, it is hard to discuss how you met in person without including something about how you knew this person in another country existed in the first place. How did it come about that you flew hundreds/thousands of miles to spend time with this person, meet the family, etc.? They don't ask, do they?
And, in further support of being completely open, the petition IS the place to initially tell your story, not just the visa interview. If it is, they they ought to convey that in the instructions or have a place for it in the form. Submissions to the Embassy for the upcoming interview, I can understand. Before that, not so much. The whole purpose of the petition is to show USCIS that you are actually engaged (there is no requirement to be engaged at the time of the filing, but of course it would help) to this person and have a bona vide relationship that will lead to marriage in the US. Information on one meeting does not usually easily show that. If you make it too difficult to see that, you will likely get a RFE to fill in the blanks in your story. Now see, you are talking about 'in person' meetings, not the story of how you met. Two different things. I agree that if you have met in person more than once, then you should include evidence,,,photos that you can tie dates and landmarks to...but your love story of how you initially met is just not asked for in the I-129F. I'm looking for RFEs from people who simply didn't tell their story.
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18 minutes ago, ddtenor2 said:
You appear to be someone who believes in "the letter of the law." You may not have a problem with that when dealing with USCIS, but keep in mind: they make the rules and there is very little you can do in the way of appealing their decisions if they don't see things from your perspective. Good luck on your journey.
Thanks for your answer. Now I understand what prompted your RFE.
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25 minutes ago, ddtenor2 said:
It seems that not everyone who met on a dating website gets an RFE (I did not), but why risk it. Here's what I included in my application.
I-129F Supplement: Part 2, Question 34.a, explanation of meeting in person
I saw Francisco’s profile on a dating website in July, 2011. I initiated contact, and over the course of several months the relationship developed. He invited me to visit him in Brazil, and I have visited him in Brazil 4 times on the dates noted below.
December 29, 2011 –January 12, 2012
August 10, 2012 – August 21, 2012
September 24, 2013 – October 9, 2013
October 15, 2014 – October 24, 2014
I had a copy of the terms and conditions from the website, as well as an email from the webmaster saying that they were not an IMBRA site, but I was never asked for any additional information.
If I may offer a word of advice...You can chose to do whatever you wish, but those of us who have been through the process know that USCIS considers misrepresentation to be grounds for denial at any step along the way. To them an omission of facts is no different than lying. You may not like their rules, but they set them and we have no alternative but to follow them or deal with the consequences.
You see, this goes to my question. I have read the instructions...very carefully. I have a lot of legal experience, just not in this. A careful reading of Question 34a plainly states they want to know the circumstances of your in person meeting, not how you initially met. These are two different things. Your specific example could have drawn a RFE....because you didn't name the dating website...or maybe you did and are just not stating it here and maybe you submitted their terms and conditions along with your i129F, but once more, you didn't state whether you submitted them or not.
Did you name the website? And did you include their terms and conditions? What year was this? Thanks
It is not a misrepresentation to not include something the form and instructions don't ask for. They don't ask, why tell?
Lots of people have advice but I'm looking for situations whereby someone didn't 'tell their story' and got a RFE for IMBRA...recently...like in the last couple of years. Thanks
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17 minutes ago, adil-rafa said:
After i sent in my application i get the RFE not knowing i should have enclosed a letter about the packet and us
you don't have to follow blindly but this question of a letter of introduction has been discussed many times on VJ
just google
do i need a letter of introduction (or similar question) when i apply for my finance (or spouse)
and we do not blindly advise
we ask
we listen to all advise
and we come to realize much is country dependent
you don't list a country nor do you have a timeline and that restricts your answers here to the broad (for all) answers
please to help people best advise you by country let us know where your significant other is from and fill out a timeline (this is also many others will write if you google it)
we are all in this together and sincerely want the best possible advise and try not to mislead anyone
it is a hard heartbreaking process at times
With due respect, and from what I gather of your situation, it was around the time that IMBRA was passed, meaning a LONG time ago. Your situation is completely different than a recent RFE for IMBRA.
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10 minutes ago, kris&me said:
adil-rafa
if you don't want to believe our answers, why ask and insult us?
It's not that I don't believe your answer, but I want to know the situation that prompted the RFE. Does everybody who files a I-129F that doesn't tell the story of how they met (and checks 'no' on question 55) get a RFE for something not asked for on the form?
I'm not blindly following your suggestion without underlying support for it. Thanks
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5 minutes ago, adil-rafa said:
just got a ding saying i was mentioned
i got a huge RFE about how we met including if dating site how did i pay for it
who contacted who first how long before we met in person
Did you include anything in the initial filing to provoke the RFE? Was that the latest I-129F (2017) form? Did you check 'yes' on question 55?
Thanks
Why Are People Getting RFEs for Websites (IMBRA) with I-129F Submissions?
in K-1 Fiance(e) Visa Process & Procedures
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Let's reflect, shall we? You came along with your smartass comment and then don't like my reply? Run along. I dictated a question. You shouldn't respond if you don't know the answer.