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I think ding is doing the right thing. If you have read his case I think that most people will see that a prenup is the right thing to do. His other personal issues are just that, his personal issues

Honestly, I'm not always sure there's always alot of reasoning that goes behind giving blue slips. OP made three trips to VN and family went to wedding and they got blue; sheesh.... rediculous in my opinion.

I agree. Three trips to vietnam is not easy to pull off for scammers. I'm guessing that the blue was planned in advance, and has nothing to do with bonafide relationship. They did it because they could.

congrats Thai. Best of luck towards your future!

I've never seen da lat before till these pictures. I will be going to vn in less than 2 weeks

Even though I've been given a blue slip, I am staying positive about my fiance's situation. Your case seems very straight forward and your complications can be solved right now. visit her in person for a week; that should seal the deal. I think your biggest concern is the 1 trip visit and short amount of time knowing each other. Her uncle introducing is a double edge sword, similar to my case; this in combination with the short time you've known your fiance will not help you. Hand written letters are good! phone bills, emails, chat logs, they dont care much, as long as you have it (doesnt work for you, but definitely against you if you dont have it).

I think your best bet is for you to visit your fiance before and during the interview. If she can speak english, that would be ideal as well; no need to worry about the translator injecting their opinions on the matter. if it doesnt go well, you can contact marc ellis for his help. He is an american lawyer living in vietnam (you can use his service prior to interview if you are uncomfortable with your case).

Personally, I dont think you will need a lawyer with your case.

beware: the consulate will be condescending towards your wife. She will look at her as if she is sub human. Your wife needs to be focused and hopefully speak english!

I'm going with eva in a few weeks. They have mini tv's on the back of your seat, which is pretty cool. Watch your own movies, listen to music, change the channels, ect.

I think your fiance should come in confident and assertive. Believe in your love and express it. My fiance was too concerned about minor details like my fathers and mothers birth dates, like it was a quiz or something. She told me that she could not express how in love we were.

My fiance says that she would have been more assertive next time around, and that she shouldnt have feared the consulate because they tend to pick it up. The consulate will look at your wife as a subhuman and will treat her like the underclass. Try to change that somehow. If she knows english, that would help a lot.

the going rate is 3-4 months. My case was pretty rare under 3 months. You can start calling the service center. You might have your noa2 by now

Congrats to you! Enjoy your life in america.

Here is why!!!

http://www.ocregister.com/ocregister/homep...cle_1762962.php

^^ I hope they are prosecuted harshly. People like the ones mentioned are likely the ones that make honest cases tough to get by. I'm going back to vn in little over a month, and I dont want to leave without my Vo next time around. Funny how things work out; I remember the first time meeting my fiance, she really hated me because of how I trashed vietnam by saying it was like a trash yard

She hated me at the same time, she was attracted to me. I really didnt know she felt that way about me, but as the years gone by and I started to grow older, she was stuck in my mind and I wanted to persue her, and here we are. I'll give an update on the strategy soon. Good luck to the people interviewing next. And to Thai pham, you are in a similar situation as mine, having a kid and all, so keep up with this thread!

^^ your advice is much appreciated (no offense taken, I know how my case looks... not good). I know my case will be very difficult because when I went back to VN to get engaged, my cousin came back with me (evidence provided in case), and she has the same last name as my fiance

it was a blunder, but what's done is done. The basically pry'd my fiance and I told her to be honest if they get that info from her (we were prepared for the worst case scenario, which happened). We were ready to acknowledge that factor and she did, but we were unprepared about my ex-girlfriend, even though my fiance knows the situation like the back of her hand. I've been upfront about everything to my fiance, because after all, we're getting married

I've got Marc ellis' contact information and I'll keep updated. I know my case will be difficult to prove, and if not settled by the time I arrive, I will personally go to the consulate and demand for my case to be heard.

I never knew I had to do an affidavit for my ex, but I did make one up earlier today, now to find someone to sign it, or maybe do it myself, since my ex is travelling in vietnam for the next few weeks. Hopefully custody papers (suit, countersuit, and judgement) are convincing as well, since they do state her address and it is signed by the both of us and notarized

I have a little theory that might sound a little crazy:

I think the consulate is deliberately stalling in order to stiff me with the higher fees that go into effect at the end of the month.

I spoke to a lawyer and he said the wedding is fine as long as I dont address it as a wedding. I will get a second opinion tomorrow.

btw, my communications evidence is very solid. average of $200 spent on phone bills monthly, with invoices, detailed call logs, even bank statements showing when each card phone card/credit was purchased. Along with hundreds of emails, pages of skype phone logs, yahoo chat logs, ect. They only took one item, and that was my bank transactions with the phone purchases highlighted. I've done legal paperwork before and have experience with paperwork, they just didnt look at my stuff for whatever reason. I'm not worried about my evidence, I'm worried about the consulate not bothered to do their work.

I will provide additional plane tickets purchased in june, my son's custody papers, and recommendations from the church that we have taken marriage courses and have a future date for marriage.

My fiance's lawyer suggested that we wait till september, after our wedding, to turn in the blue slip with evidence of our church wedding and celebration at the restaurant. I will contact an immigration lawyer in orange county. recommendations/advice would be great.

I was upset last night, but after my head has cleared, I think our case may have a positive outcome soon. It doesnt seem as bad as I perceive it to be.

I will write a long detailed letter of our relationship with references to our future wedding and provide receipts of the ring bought in october with our name inscribed on the diamond, wedding dress bought few months ago, reservation of restaurant, reservation of video and camera crew, flight booking receipts, ect. ect. My fiance contacted an immigration lawyer that has helped her brothers and sister come to america, so hopefully, he will steer us in the right direction. I'll keep updated.

I got a similar blue slip to this:

http://www.visajourney.com/forums/index.ph...st&p=823491

welps my fiance failed(blue). They suspect that the case is fraudulent. here is my original statement of intent:

How we met within the past two years:

Thu and I originally met over 6 years ago with documentation to prove. At the time, we were young and were not committed due to the physical constraints. Recently, with my new career, I have been able to find time to find Thu again.

I looked to her through email initially, and she replied. We spoke for a little bit, and then I started to call her. At first, she was resistant to me, due to the long gap of time since we spoke. As time went by, we started to feel a real connection. We fell in love, and wanted to get married.

Everything was moving along great. I had found myself a soul mate, and decided to visit her and get engaged. On October 20, as we were chatting, we decided to get serious and get engaged as opposed to just dating. We had a lengthy conversation through chat and phone.

A few days later, I let my family know about my future. I was engaged with Thu. In November, we began to plan out our engagement. With the help of our families, we managed to set up a very nice engagement. We met again on 12/23/2006 at the airport in Ho Chi Minh, Vietnam. One day after arrival, we had our engagement party 12/24/2006, which can be seen through the photos and video.

While on vacation in Vietnam, I stayed with Thu at her residence ------ HCM, Vietnam. We stayed together for the entire trip. On 1/1/2007, I departed from Vietnam and went back to America; my vacation was over.

Attached is our evidence of having met, ring receipts, flight information, engagement video in DVD format, emails, and conversations.

_______________

what I didnt tell about my case: my aunt is married to my fiance's uncle and my fiance was upfront about it. On the original trip 6 years ago, my fiance's uncle sent money to my fiance's family, and all of that was disclosed. They keep on that topic and ignored all of the evidence. phone logs, emails, everything (believe me, I was STACKED with evidence). The only other topic they spoke about was my son and my ex-girlfriend. They asked why do I take care of my son more than the birth mother, do I have proof that I and the ex are not dating, ect ect.

Anyone care to chime in, help is appreciated. Me and my fiance are now at an all time high level of stress. I booked a trip to vietnam in august with 7 family members for a wedding trip, and they didnt bother taking that into account. Wedding dress, ring receipt, proof of church classes and approval by the priests(not exactly easy to get), ect. Welps, back to the drawing board. The scan of the blue sheet will come in tomorrow.

my fiance owned land, and she had to transfer ownership to her parents. Total cost was 300 USD for expedited service. I believe it's a lot less for the longer service, but may take 6 months to transfer.

I try not to think about it, but I've dished out around 4K-5K so far for dam hoi, 2 flights, this process, plus deposits for wedding. Probably spend another chunk for the american wedding. Getting married is expensive.

your speculation seems pretty good. My fiance takes center stage in less than two weeks. I dont know how convincing my case is, but I will be well prepared.

What race baiting? Nobody said anything about race.

you've certainly referred hate and bigotry on a few occasions; what exactly were you referring to???

this is a forum, there is no need to present politically correct opinions or clever word play to avoid the topic. There's no reason to label people on this board as hateful just because they dont have the same opinion.

I'd like to see a discussion on this topic, but blanket labeling is getting a little out of control.

Some things are just not a laughing matter.

No, although I assure you he was not laughing at the general subject.

My post was designed to point out that there is hatred happening here, and to remind people what can happen when hatred is tolerated. I'm hoping we can leave it at that.

maybe this hatred is an extension of your perception of others? Can there be an immigration debate without race baiting? If anything, VJ seems like the most diverse board I've ever seen. For some, this debate is about principle, what it means to be an american, and what is fair.

can we please put to rest this holocost discussion? It's nothing more than an emotion ploy to divert attention from the issue at hand.

what does the holocost have to do with the immigration debate? Absolutely NOTHING.

please continue

I didn't say they wanted a holocaust. I said they came at the problem from the same mentality as others who have treated people as subhuman. What exactly about that do you find sick? I think these people are twisted, and as history shows, it doesn't even take particularly twisted people to perpetrate a genocide or other horrible thing. Just humans led by hate-filled humans.

IMO, the senate bill is designed to keep these illegal immigrants as sub-humans.

sending the head of household back to country of origin for a year? what a joke. I would never be away from my family for that amount of time.

I'm sure some of the anti-amnesty people think that bombing abortion clinics is just.

You ought to be ashamed of yourself making such a ridiculous statement. Try to think before you type.

I guess you missed the point, or you didn't want to see it.

Many people opposed to amnesty are opposed to it for one reason, they broke the law, they should get punished. But they themselves are willing to break the law in other things, such as speeding or for SOME support abortion clinic bombings. Which makes the argument really weak. Do you follow the law to the letter every day with everything you do? I highly doubt it. If no, then why make the issue so black and white?

what about those that think it's unfair?

this is from earlier:

I dont see how members of this board can support such a bill. Some of us have gone through a lot of trouble to get our loved ones into the US, and the government raises fees for the ones doing it the right way, but for those that cheat the system... oh well, lets just give them amnesty... If I could pay a fee for citizenship, I'd send all of my family members here immediately. The preferential treatment is ridiculous.

btw, your previous post was designed for a kneejerk reaction...