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OK, I will do my best to be patient. I know everyone has been waiting a very long time.

Quick question. My father is the joint sponsor for AoS. He was born in Poland. To prove US citizenship, we are sending a copy of his naturalization papers and a copy of the biographical pages of his passport. Do you think only the biographical pages are enough or should we send copies of EVERY page?

9 days since case number and still can't do DS-261... starting to get worried...

Does the AoS fee usually get invoiced right away after DS-261 or does that take several days too?

It has been about 24 hours since I last posted and I still cannot fill out the DS-261. Is there a typical time of day that it would usually become available or can it suddenly become available at any time? I probably tried about 8 times yesterday throughout the day but no luck. Should I just keep trying once every few hours?

Hi all

It has been 6 day's since i got my daughters case & inn # 's , i try to log on to the ceac site to start the process with the choice of agent or pay the aos fee but no luck. It is there but greyed out . I cant do anything.

Sayilin's Wiki says that it takes about a week , but i have seen other peoples timeline and most our 2 ,3 days after the case # has been assigned . If i cant get in tomorrow , should i start calling nvc ?

I got my case number exactly one week ago and I also still cannot fill out the DS-261. It says that my case is not eligible for further processing at this time. I guess they are just being slow lately. I will try again later today.

Just found out my joint sponsor had a little unemployment last year. His earnings plus his spouse's earnings combined without the unemployment is already over the poverty line by about $2000 and they have tons of assets. Is it even worth including the unemployment or does it just look bad?

If we did include it, what documents are required?

Yes. They will expect your affidavit to match the tax return transcripts. You are qualifying on assets anyway.

I called NVC last night and finally got my case number. While on the phone, I also asked about the tax return amount question that I just asked you. The person on the phone gave the same response as you, so thanks for being correct as usual.

When did NVC receive your case.

May 23rd

Called and got our case number today! I tried to fill out the DS-261 but it says that further processing on our case is not available at this time. I read in the wiki that it can take up to a week until you can do DS-261. How long has it been taking for people lately?

My 2013 tax return transcript is finally available to download from the IRS website. However, there is a slight problem. On my 2012 and 2011 transcripts, it shows my total income as 0. On the 2013 one, it says “-36,000”. Every year on my 1040, I list my income as, for example “(36,000)” because the instructions say to list foreign earned income with parenthesis to show it is negative when you fill out the 2555EZ (foreign earned income exclusion). I don’t know why the transcripts for 2012 and 2011 would have “0” there and the 2013 one would have the negative amount when I filled them out the same way each time. Do you think someone at the IRS messed up? Now I am afraid I will get a checklist… Should I still write the values exactly as they appear on the transcripts “0” for 2012 and 2011 and “-36,000” for 2013?

In my opinion, if the real estate equity is actually needed in order to qualify, there's no substitute for an appraisal. I had a conversation with somebody just yesterday though and told him if he had ten rental properties, and only needed two or three to qualify, he would probably get by with the tax assessments and mortgage statements for all ten, and no appraisals for any. If the liquid assets are over 300k without the real estate, this will probably work in this case too.

So just to make sure I am understanding you properly...

Are you saying that because we have such high liquid assets that we could get away with declaring the apartment value in assets with only submitting the tax assessment and mortgage statement for it? (If this is the case, are we at any risk of getting a checklist if they decide that it is insufficient proof?)

or

Are you saying that because our liquid assets are so high, that we simply should be approved without declaring the apartment value at all?

My joint sponsor is concerned over sending the NVC bank statements that show the bank account number. Is there any reason to really be concerned about doing so? Has anyone ever heard of cases where NVC employees have stolen information in the past? Is it acceptable to send the statement with the account number partially blacked out? Does doing so risk the chance of getting a check list?

Please help...

Congrats to all CC's .

I am waiting for a case # so i am starting to gather my papers. ( I have printed Saylins WIKI and i read it every night before i sleep. My temporary bible )

I am going to do the 864 EZ . I have filed taxes for 2012 and 2013 (1040) I received the tax transcript for 2013 .

2011 unemployed therefore i will put 0 . correct ?

2012 & 2013 i will put whatever # is on line 22 on the 1040 correct ?

Last question .

Since i was unemployed 2011 and do not meet the poverty line (of 4 members) on 2012 but over exceed the poverty line on 2013 and my paystubs this year almost reached the amount required so far . Do i have to have a joint sponsor ?

Thank you

The poverty line for your household size is compared to your current income which is calculated by your actual pay checks over a one year period reflecting what you currently make. The numbers from your tax returns are not what they use to compare to the poverty line, so what you have on there from 2012 doesn’t matter as long as you report it exactly as it shows on the tax return.

Also, I have no experience with the EZ, but I have heard that the value is not line 22, but actually line 37. I will wait for someone to confirm or deny this though. Did you file in 2011 even though you didn’t work? I think in your case, only submitting the 2013 transcript return is best if you did not file in 2011 since then you will have to write a letter telling them why you didn’t file in 2011. If you didn’t file and just write “0” then I think you should be OK without submitting a transcript for 2012 and 2011.

If not mistaken you don't have to have your property appraised all you have to do is go to the country office, not sure of the appropriate name and get what the property is appraised for now. They give you the papers right away I know because my father did this and we will be doing it again tomorrow. It's easy doesn't take very long at al.

I was told in another thread that you do need to get a current professional appraisal done. I was also told that they will not accept property that is currently being lived in by the sponsor as the primary residence. My joint sponsor does own an apartment building that is separate from his home. However, as it stands now, my joint sponsor combined with his household member have a current household income that exceeds the poverty line for their household size. In addition, they already have over $300,000 in liquid assets that they are reporting, so it seems to me that it is unnecessary to include the real-estate on the I-864. I worry that if we include it without the proper documents, we will get a checklist (for something we shouldn’t technically even need according to the criteria.) What do you think?

Can someone (Pushbrk, NLR, whoever) please verify if this statement is indeed correct or not?

"If not mistaken you don't have to have your property appraised all you have to do is go to the country office, not sure of the appropriate name and get what the property is appraised for now. They give you the papers right away I know because my father did this and we will be doing it again tomorrow. It's easy doesn't take very long at al."

http://www.visajourney.com/forums/topic/498764-nvc-filers-june-2014/?p=7053790

I was pretty much ready to just leave real-estate assets off since joint sponsor's liquid assets is actually over $300,000 already without it, so I just wanted to know if I should write "0" or "N/A" in the real-estate space, but now I am just getting more confused.

When filling out the I-864, if you have a joint sponsor, you can only report the beneficiary’s income and assets on either the main sponsor’s I-864 or the joint sponsor’s I-864, right? So, for the I-864 which we DO NOT include that money on, do we write “$0” for those values or “N/A” for those values?

On the I-864 and I-864A, my co-sponsor and his household member own real-estate assets, but they don’t want to bother with getting them appraised and they also have enough in liquid assets so they will not report them on the forms. Since they actually own these assets but will not use them on the forms, is it better to write “$0” or “N/A” in the blank space for real-estate assets on the forms?

Ah so there's a June thread now. 2 days and already on page 15? I don't know if I have the time to keep up with this thread lol

Thank you for the quick reply.

They own an apartment building in the city that has 2 units. My grandmother used to live there before she passed away. Now my parents own it and they currently have tenants that live there. This is, of course, separate than their house that they live in.

OK, if you feel that the value of the liquid assets that I stated are sufficient then I will just tell them not to bother with the real-estate. (when leaving that line blank is it better to put $0, N/A, or none?)

One final question about this. I mentioned that I will be sending about $10,000 back to the US from our Japan checking account. Since my parents liquid assets are already so high, would it be more beneficial to include the joint liquid assets from me and my wife on MY I-864 or my father’s? Basically, I know that mine on its own is not good enough to be accepted because I have no current income that is able to be counted and either way my assets would be insufficient. So, it’s a matter of whether to use our liquid assets to show them that the 2 of us have some personal savings, or to pad the overall assets number on the co-sponsor I-864 which will ultimately be what is deemed acceptable to give us approval.

I told my parents that appraisals are required for declaring property as assets. They are now asking me if real-estate sales records from the same county for similar property is an acceptable substitute? I have never heard anyone else mention this before.

Since they have cash and stock assets of $237,000 without even using any real-estate assets, and their household income is already marginally above the poverty line limit, in the scenario where we declared the real-estate and sent the above mentioned supporting documents but NVC ended up considering it insufficient proof, would we get a checklist, or would they just not care since the other assets are already more than sufficient?

Man, I can't believe I posted that wrong. I swear I'm not that bad at math.

Yea, it is both boxes.

OK, I think I figured out the other things on my own.

For section 13, on line a, I just put my wife’s name and birth date. She has no A-number or SSN so I put “none”. Since she is the only immigrant, section 13, lines b – e are all just “N/A”

The parts that say (indicate Number) and (Number from line 13) in sections 13 and 15 are just asking for the number of immigrants, so in my case I just put “1” on both lines.

For section 10, current individual annual income, I told my mother to just take the most recent 6 months of pay stubs, average them together and then multiple by 2 to get an average 12 month estimated projection of what she currently makes.

For section 11, as was suggested before, the 3 values are the same as line 22 from the three years of 1040 forms.

We still need to finalize the assets section but it should be pretty straight forward once they get the documents to support it. (it turns out they have $137,000 in just cash savings and stocks alone, so I guess we don't really need to include the real-estate holdings, which they estimate to be $330,000 but have not gotten it appraised yet)

Hopefully everything is correct and her I-864a is good. Still waiting for my dad to finish his I-864 but hopefully it won’t be too hard.

Thanks for the help.

Sounds good to me.

Thanks for all of your help so far. Now I have a few questions about the I-864A. My mother is filling it out as part of my joint sponsor’s (father’s) I-864. She sent me the file to check for accuracy so I want to make sure she gets everything correct.

For the tax information in part 11, she filled it in using an amount that only reflects what SHE earned personally. However, they have filed as married filing jointly and the instructions say use line for gross (total) income from the 1040 (so line 22 I would think). So, am I correct to assume that she should instead, write whatever the amount is for total income on line 22 and my father will also write that same amount on his own I-864? The instructions also specifically say “federal individual income tax return” so I just want to make sure.

This next part from the official instructions for I-864a is really confusing me. It states:

“If the sponsor you are promising to make your income

available to is sponsoring the the principal intending

immigrant (the sponsor should have “Yes” as his or her

answer to item number 8 of his or her Form I-864), you should

list the intending immigrant on line “a” of Item 13 and then

list on lines “b” through “f” any spouse and any and all

children that appear on lines 9a through 9e of the sponsor's

Form I-864. “

First of all, I don’t see an item number 8 that asks for a “yes” or “no” answer on the I-864. Second of all, it says to list the intending immigrant on line a (Part 2) which is all well and good. But then it says to list people that appear on lines 9a through 9e of the SPONSOR’S form I-864. I have no idea what section they are referring to. I only see 9a 9b and 9c from Part 6, Person 4. That seems incorrect to me. So basically what I want to know is, do we need to include anything on the I-864a for Part 2, section 13, lines b – e? Is it OK to just type N/A for all of those lines since my wife is the only intending immigrant and she is listed on line 13a?

For Part 2, section 13 and, and Part 3, section 15, for the spaces that say “(indicate number)” and “(Number from line 13)”, which number are they referring to? Do they mean I type “13a” since that is the line my wife’s information is on, or do they mean the alien number or SSN (both of which she doesn’t have and we have typed “none”)? What do we need to include on those lines?

Sorry for so many more questions. I read the I-864A instructions and that is all I could find about it.

Agreed. I've never seen anyone (myself included) say to not check off both if you're submitting all three years.

Nope, it wasn't you. It is obvious that you are pretty on top of your stuff. I have skimmed A LOT of old threads through search results and sometimes information is not always correct so I was always a little unsure about this. Just making sure. Don't mind me.

OK thanks, I will do that. If the cash in the US savings account has my wife's name as well as my name and my mother's name on it, is it OK to claim that full amount on my father's I-864 as being my wife's money? Would sending a scan of our Japanese checking account with her name on it showing that the funds came from there as well as the documents showing the money orders shipped and converted to US dollars help our case at all?

After all it seriously IS my wife and my money so...