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Flying non rev standby is a different situation. Below i have copied and pasted what delta's non rev policy is for Japan. It looks to me that delta has its own rules for allowing a standby passenger ro bard a plane if that passenger's citizenship does not allow entry into Japan without some kind of visa. A US citizen would be ok and not have to meet this requirement as Japan doesn't require a visa for Americans to enter but a filipino or other citizen would require a transit visa as per delta's requirementa. So I interpret this as saying that a delta agent will not issue a standby pass to a non US citizen connecting in Japan without that person having a transit visa. Here is the delta rule in that and im sure other airlines have the same rule :

A transit/short-stay visa to enter Japan may be required for non-US citizens which must be arranged prior to arrival. Japanese immigration authorities are NOT authorized to issue a Shore Pass/Transit Pass for temporary entry in the event a nonrev is not boarded on their intended flight. Due to the possibility that standby passengers may not be boarded on their intended flights, all nonrevenue passengers must have entry documents for each country on their flight itinerary regardless of the intent to transit a country as a connecting point to another destination.

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It seems to me that IMBRA makes it illegal for men with certain criminal records to have a foreign fiancé or to marry a foreign woman( convictions for drugs, DWI, abuse, sex offenses and so on) , yet, there are no similar laws in place preventing these same men from marrying local American women. Does anyone else see that as very strange? Why are foreign women MORE protected than American Women? Just curious as to the reason behind that. An American woman isn't going to know a man's record any more than a foreign women would right? Because of imbra , foreign women have the benefit of knowing more about a prospective husband than American women do. Why don't American women demand the same protective treatment that foreign women are getting?

Actually, I think their problem is with the idea the blanket statement that American women (which, when phrased that way doesn't mean most, it means all) are overweight, lazy, nasty, materialistic, etc. and that women from another country (which again means all in its phrasing) are X, Y, and Z and in short, awesome. This statement is also usually paired with some blatant feelings/statements of superiority on the male part, never acknowledging that the men themselves may also be this way... This is done in a disparaging way with no purpose other than to put American women down-- it's not a discussion with any other point such as health or an acknowledgement of the fact that the entire American population of males and females is actually 70% overweight.

NUMEROUS and NUMEROUS and NUMEROUS times I have clarified that NOT ALL American woman are overweight and materialistic. And I have mentioned the men are also overweight as much as the woman. I even posted the 70% statistic, heck, I was the FIRST one to post that stat!! So I admit that 30% are not, but once you get into woman in their 30's and exclude the 18 to 30 age range, I believe you get about a 85% overwight stat. It really is tough to find think 30-37 yr olds, really tough. The ones that arent overewight are considered hot merely because they arent overweight hence they are highly sought after (IMHO) . ANyways, you have simply forgotten Ive said all these things. But it's ok, I know its a super long thread and easy to miss it.

if a third world country woman want to come to america to upgrade their life its ok but if an american woman wants a rich man to upgrade hers, she is materialistic. its all the same but american woman are degraded for it.

There's a difference dear. First of all, most foreign ladies dont choose to marry a foreign man because of economics.The USCIS study I posted PROVES that as does what I have learned on my own thorugh getting to personally know latin and especially filipinas in particular.

Most (not all) American woman insist on upgrading to what Id call high maintenance/true materialistic type items, i.e. new cars, big house, many vacations, wining and dining ,shopping for the nicest brand name clothes etc etc. IN fact, they look at the man's money before most anything else. Foreign ladies (Most foreign latinas ans asians, not so sure about europeans) on the other hand dont require any of these things. Most non western Foreign ladies (latino and asian) only want a responsible hard working man who will make a good father and husband, NOTHING MORE! This will get you absolutely no where with most western/American woman.

Hence is the difference!

Its amazing how when my photo dropped off several days ago, people in this forum started assuming I am fat, bald, ugly , poor, a loser, LOL. The assumption quickly becomes that I cant land ladies in the US because of I must be all these things.

How funny. Heck, at 42, I feel fortunate to be only 167lbs , thin and have all my hair, Im not even receding hairline yet (knock on wood!). Man, those stereotypes about men who go overseas for wives is very predominant and shows how much ignorance is out there. The funny part is that just the opposite is true.

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David Jedlicka (1988, cited in Glodava and Onizuka, 1994) surveyed 607 American men seeking mail-order brides and received 206 responses. He found that the men were generally white (94 percent); highly educated (50 percent with two or more years of college, 6 percent with M.D.'s or Ph.D.'s, only five did not complete high school); politically and ideologically conservative; and generally economically and professionally successful (64 percent earned more than $20,000 a year; 42 were in professional or managerial positions). Their median age was 37. The men came from 44 states, with 22 percent from California, and 84 percent lived in metropolitan areas. Fifty-seven percent had been married at least once; most had been divorced after an average of seven years of marriage, 35 percent had at least one child, and 75 percent wished to father additional children. When asked about their religious affiliations, 48 percent of the men identified themselves as Protestant, 23 percent as Catholic, 15 percent as belonging to other religions, and 14 percent as having no religious affiliation.

Why do American men want foreign wives? Most of the personal reports from American men who have married women through these agencies talk about "traditional values." That is, American women are thought not content to be wives and mothers but seek personal satisfaction through their own careers and interests, while the foreign woman is happy to be the homemaker and asks for nothing more than husband, home, and family. Again, true or not, this is the perception.

Steve55,

It is ignorant of you to categorizes all American women into one category. I think relationships are about compromising, and love. I don't expect any man to take care of me that is why I have a degree. I expect us to be partners and love and respect each other because that is what a relationship is about.

Edit: sorry typo

I never said ALL american woman are that way. I always say "In general" or "most". Even match.com shows about 70% of american ladies having minimum income requirements of $50K +. That's evidence enough that western ladies are looking for a man to make a certain amount of money for a certain lifestyle. !

Is that a Cali/NY $50K or a Midwestern $50K?

Poor Steve. He chose to be poor and now blames American women for not liking him. (Apparently, teh Asians don't like him either.)

LOL, Im not poor. That is a ignorant asumption on your part. This is strictly a moral issue for me. What, you think that if I made alot of money that Id want to date a woman who I know in my heart would not be with me if I didnt make a certian amount of money?? Think again!

Wasn't one of your original bitchings about how no wommins wanted anything to do with you, the poor grad student?

LOL, wayyy too funny. Sorry, but wrong guy. LOL. Im no grad student. And I never posted anything like that.

So obviously an ugly man with a moderate to low income will have to go to a 3rd world country where his income will look far more attractive to the local beauties. Steve just doesn't seem to get that the beautiful women he is courting still have their standards but those standards are based upon 3rd world economics where he will stand a better chance rather than 1st world economics where he doesn't.

First of all, I am not ugly, balding , or overweight as people are starting to assume. Gosh, Im going to have to put back my real photo (full bodt shot) so people here will get that part straight.

Secondly, the issue is not that thin beautiful ladies wont go for me as you seem to be implying. The issue is that here in the US, I cant hardly find any thin ladies!! If I could just meet more thin ladies in my social outings, the odds of meeting the right one would go way up. And lastly, you are missing the point that even if I do find a non overweight woman, the odds of finding one who isnt focused on a man's wallet are still somewhat slim.

So , in conclusion.....I CHOOSE to go overseas due to the lack of available thin and/or nonmaterialistic woman. Your post implies that I search overseas because cant land a woman (or good looking woman) here in the USA due to my bad looks or lack of money. Look, I make about $40K as a loan officer , not great, but not bad. But during the refi boom 2001 to 2007 I was making $70-90K. Whether I was making good money or not, my views were always still the same. The materialism/money issue that pervades Wetsern woman is a matter of morality, character, and principal that really matter to me.

But you do make some good points in your post, especially regarding that to a 3rd world woman, a average or even below average income earner from the west is rich by their standards. But I dont for a minute believe that this plays a dominant role in their attractiuon to Westerners. The USCIS did a study on this and in fact, the ladies gave reasons other than money/economics as to why they were attracted to foreigners/Western man. Its not about money for them, but for many (not all) Western ladies, it certainly is about money.

" Why do foreign women want American husbands? Many sources suggest that these women are searching for a "better life" in terms of socio-economic factors--they do, for the most part, come from places in which jobs and educational opportunities for women are scarce and wages are low. However, when the women themselves are asked this question, the answer generally indicates an attraction to American men (they look like movie stars) and an aversion to native men. Americans, they say, make good husbands while Filipino (Thai/Indonesian/Russian/etc.) men do not. Americans are thought to be faithful to their wives, while the native men are cruel and run around with other women. True or not, this is the perception."

I think judging someone based on looks is equally as bad as judging someone based upon income.

True but looks are everything in getting a relationship started. Don't kid yourself; I two are not attracted to each other (and I mean physically) then any other attraction may not be sufficient enough to make the relationship work.

And yes, physical attraction alone is also not enough to make a relationship work.

If you don't like overweight people, then you find non-overweight people. And if that means going beyond your borders, then you do it.

And if one has constant bad luck with relationships, then you yourself may be part of the "problem". Doesn't mean you are a bad person but you may not have good judgement on how to determine if a relationship will last (how to recognize the signs).

My god! This is the most rational and accurate post ever posted on this thread. Amen to everything thatw as said. I know that my main mistake was trying to marry 18 and 19 yr old ladies. Ive since learned that girls that age are very flaky , they think they want marriage and then get cold feet when the time comes. But yes, perhaps somewhere along the way I have horrible judgement in recognizing whether I have a "real" solid relationship that will make it to the end. I do believe Im lacking some kind of proper judgement in this regard.

I think judging someone based on looks is equally as bad as judging someone based upon income.

If that was directed at me, I dont judge anyone based on looks. I dont think large or overwight woman are bad or less of human beings or anything negative like that (though I do think that of woman who date only guys with money), Im simply stating that so far, I have been unable to feel attracted to large /overweight woman. And that severely limits a man;s option in this country since 70% of the poplation(especially in 30's range) is overwight There's no judging, I only said Im not attracted to overwight woman.

Are you applying the same standard to yourself? I mean, are you in shape, attractive and take care of yourself? Do you care how much a woman you would be willing to marry can possibly earn in the US?

1. yes, I am applying it to myself. Im 5'10 and weigh 168, and muscular and attractive. Though Id ont think looks is everything of course. People always say I look like freddy prince Jr actually. Others here have seen my actual photo (before I replaced it with the current avatar) and can vouge for me on that

2. No , I dont care how much a woman would make in the USA. My first 2 fiances had only a high school education, and would probably work near min wage here. There are woman here in the USA who I could have and still probably could marry who make $50K +. But Id rather be poorer with someone I love and want to really be with than be miserable in marriage with someone I have no attraction to but yet have alot of money.

I think judging someone based on looks is equally as bad as judging someone based upon income.

If that was directed at me, I dont judge anyone based on looks. I dont think large or overwight woman are bad or less of human beings or anything negative like that (though I do think that of woman who date only guys with money), Im simply stating that so far, I have been unable to feel attracted to large /overweight woman. And that severely limits a man;s option in this country since 70% of the poplation(especially in 30's range) is overwight There's no judging, I only said Im not attracted to overwight woman.

Subject being this - slapping labels on people - whether it be about nationality, or weight, or gender - or whatever - makes the subject of the label feel defensive. It makes people feel bad.

Agreed. I don't think people should throw everyone into one category. Yes, there are over weight Americans, but not every American is over weight. There are over weight people in every country.

WHoaaa, come on now!!!!!!!! That's so misrepresentation. Yes, of course there are overwight people in every country, BUT, Western countries take the cake on overweightness. ABout 70% of America (probably britain and austrailians too??) are overweight. ABout 5-10% of other countries populations are. Asian and latin countries populations are 90% thin!!

How can you even think there is a comparison.

PS-Toma 1, I know you would like a link to the stats, LOL. Im too tired to dig it up right now.

Steve55,

It is ignorant of you to categorizes all American women into one category. I think relationships are about compromising, and love. I don't expect any man to take care of me that is why I have a degree. I expect us to be partners and love and respect each other because that is what a relationship is about.

Edit: sorry typo

I never said ALL american woman are that way. I always say "In general" or "most". Even match.com shows about 70% of american ladies having minimum income requirements of $50K +. That's evidence enough that western ladies are looking for a man to make a certain amount of money for a certain lifestyle. !

Is that a Cali/NY $50K or a Midwestern $50K?

Poor Steve. He chose to be poor and now blames American women for not liking him. (Apparently, teh Asians don't like him either.)

I agree I think he is blaming American women for his issues with money.

He he he, no, folks, again, Im not poor. LOL. Please understand, if I worth 10 billion, Id still be on my high horse about the artificiality of woman who love for money instead of who the man is.

ON the other hand, I do blame a large part of my being single on the fact that most american woman are overweight and I just cant get into sex with an overweight woman. Over recent years (in my 30's) , Ive been to many singles events and social settings full of singles but every time I go, it seems 90% of the ladies are too large or overweight. I wish I had sexual attraction to large and overweight woman but I dont. It would make my life alot easier. If it were a concious choice, I would want to be physically attracte dto overweight woman, it would open up my options greatly .

Steve55,

It is ignorant of you to categorizes all American women into one category. I think relationships are about compromising, and love. I don't expect any man to take care of me that is why I have a degree. I expect us to be partners and love and respect each other because that is what a relationship is about.

Edit: sorry typo

I never said ALL american woman are that way. I always say "In general" or "most". Even match.com shows about 70% of american ladies having minimum income requirements of $50K +. That's evidence enough that western ladies are looking for a man to make a certain amount of money for a certain lifestyle. !

Is that a Cali/NY $50K or a Midwestern $50K?

Poor Steve. He chose to be poor and now blames American women for not liking him. (Apparently, teh Asians don't like him either.)

LOL, Im not poor. That is a ignorant asumption on your part. This is strictly a moral issue for me. What, you think that if I made alot of money that Id want to date a woman who I know in my heart would not be with me if I didnt make a certian amount of money?? Think again!

Steve55

I think you are taking what women say to literal. Women might say this is what I want, but usually when they are in love or even in like they sometimes forget about their "requirements."

Well, I would agree with that.

And while $18K would be a rough life, I agree, but both spouses can work, 18K x 2 = $36,000. You wont be living the high life but people do live on that.

$50k isn't poor, but that hardly qualifies as gold-digging.

Is a minimal income requirement worse than a minimal attractiveness requirement?

That is not a rhetorical question. I am leaning toward the belief that it is not worse, but I would like to hear some other opinions on the subject.

1. $50K definitely isnt gold digging, but Im sick of woman putting a $$$ figure on love PERIOD!! Its sickening. Love should not be for freakin sale!!

2. Most resoundly yes, a min income requirement is by FAR FAR FAR!! worse than a min attractiveness requirement. Its not even a comparable MORAL arguement. Ya see, it is only natural that a couple would need to have a physical attraction to one another. Without that, what do you have left? Every relationship doctor always states that without physical attraction in a relationship or marriage, it is doomed to fail. Barba De Angelous for one states that and her relationship books are top sellers.

On the other hand, a min income requirement shoudl only come to play in serious poverty situations where the guy cant even bring food and rent to the table, ok? Where I live in texas, people make it on $15K /yr, and definitely on $18K per year. So, fine, maybe the lady feels the need to put a $18K min income requirement, I wont blame her for that. But any minimum income requirment above what it takes for the basics in life is just making love for sale!!!! LOVE is not about $$$, come on guys. Love is about loving that person for who he is, not for how many dollars he packs. RIGHT??? Geez. That shoudl be a no brainer man. Well, I guess its not a no brainer if you are talking about materialistic woman who care more about money than love.

I edited my post but it times out so here is the rest:

And fellers, keep in mind something VERY important, one cannot control who they are attracted to, attraction just is or it just isnt. So how can that be considered superficial if it isnt a choice???? Ever think about that? Superficiality implies one has a choice in the matter. Now, on the other hand, a minimum income requirement is something one Consciously CHOOSES!! , and has control over. It is a volunatrily choice , unlike attraction which certainly is involuntary. Think about the differences and how it implies to the moral imperative and get back to me on that.

Love is something I believe shoudl not be for sale. Thta's one pisses me off when I see american ladies putting excessive minimum incomes of $50K to 100K . They are nothing less than PROSTIUTES, they are essentially saying they are for sale to the man with the money. That is the definition of prostitution right? But somehow its ok in the online dating realm but its not ok on the streets. And I really hammer those ladies hard on match.com when they do. Yea, I have a chip on my shoulder about those type ladies. I just think it is extremely immoral and what is wrong with the world. People shoud love each other for who they are, for their character, their personality, their intelligence, how they treat others et cetc, but for GOD SAKE not for the size of his (or her ) Wallet!! Other than needing to know that both of you can make enough to get by with the basics in life, Money has to be 100% out of the picture if you are to be morally correct with love.

Too many american ladies want the high life by finding it in rich men (rather than the honorable way of working towards it themsleves if thats so important to them). You and all of us here know what Im talking about. About 70% do, amnd they need a man to make $40K + to consider dating him. Its just sick and disgraceful to see such woman who only care about finding men who make soe min income as their value system for whom to love. I see those types as less of human beings. (Again, exceptions is if they both are very poor, thus cant cover the basics in life, then thats when a min income of maybe $18K has to kick in, but that is so rare anyways )

MORALLY SPEAKING, MONEY DOES NOT BELONG IN THE LOVE EQUATION. Love someone for WHO THEY ARE ONLY!

$50k isn't poor, but that hardly qualifies as gold-digging.

Is a minimal income requirement worse than a minimal attractiveness requirement?

That is not a rhetorical question. I am leaning toward the belief that it is not worse, but I would like to hear some other opinions on the subject.

1. $50K definitely isnt gold digging, but Im sick of woman putting a $$$ figure on love PERIOD!! Its sickening. Love should not be for freakin sale!!

2. Most resoundly yes, a min income requirement is by FAR FAR FAR!! worse than a min attractiveness requirement. Its not even a comparable MORAL arguement. Ya see, it is only natural that a couple would need to have a physical attraction to one another. Without that, what do you have left? Every relationship doctor always states that without physical attraction in a relationship or marriage, it is doomed to fail. Barba De Angelous for one states that and her relationship books are top sellers.

On the other hand, a min income requirement shoudl only come to play in serious poverty situations where the guy cant even bring food and rent to the table, ok? Where I live in texas, people make it on $15K /yr, and definitely on $18K per year. So, fine, maybe the lady feels the need to put a $18K min income requirement, I wont blame her for that. But any minimum income requirment above what it takes for the basics in life is just making love for sale!!!! LOVE is not about $$$, come on guys. Love is about loving that person for who he is, not for how many dollars he packs. RIGHT??? Geez. That shoudl be a no brainer man. Well, I guess its not a no brainer if you are talking about materialistic woman who care more about money than love.

Steve55,

It is ignorant of you to categorizes all American women into one category. I think relationships are about compromising, and love. I don't expect any man to take care of me that is why I have a degree. I expect us to be partners and love and respect each other because that is what a relationship is about.

Edit: sorry typo

I never said ALL american woman are that way. I always say "In general" or "most". Even match.com shows about 70% of american ladies having minimum income reqirements of $50K +. That's evidence enough that western ladies are looking for a man to make a certain amount of money for a certain lifestyle. ! I notice that the foreign ladies dont list minimum incomes in their dating profiles even when given the oppurtunity to. Its so obvious! I know what I see with my own eyes, Ive seen how both american woman are and how asian ladies are, and I have drawn my own conclusions. We can agree to disagree on this subject, but over at the internet forum of plenty of fish.com, most men are agreeing with me about t his subject. I mean even just talkng with my buddies who are not into asian ladies, they completely agree that american ladies are more materialitic compared to foreign ladies. NOT ALL, but in GENERAL.

COngrats to you for being that 20% who are not focusing on a man;s money/income when you decide whom you will date or marry.

I think people should marry whoever the hell they want for whatever reason without having to justify it, if both people are happy.

However, if I was lovely young non-American woman getting hitched to an American guy, I'd find it really depressing and little bit screwed up to find our relationship described vis à vis his attitudes toward American women and that my national origin was some kind of "trait". Just my 2 cents.

LOL, OMG, how funny, its actually quite the contrary. I get TONS of emails at cherry blossoms (where I meet most of the filipinas) who compliment me on what I said about filipinas being better valued than Western ladies. I state in my profile that in general, I think filipiinas make better wives, are more dedicated to their man and family, less likely to divoce, and have better family values, and are not materialistic like most Western ladies are. The ladies say they are impressed that I think this way and that I value the filipinas like that.

Ill strongly disagree with Toma 1 in regards to saying most foreign ladies are as materialitic as American woman are. STRONGLY disagree. LOL. What I have personally witnessed with dating asian ladies here in texas, and especially with knowing filipinas is that there is a HUGE difference. My personal observations also matches what 100's of other men who have dated and married asian ladies, well, mostly filipinas have said also.

Here are some EXAMPLES from other men posting at other internet sites regarding the general differences:

1.What I have found is filapinas appreciate how they are treated much more than western women. I think , IMHO, it's

their inherant(sp?) attitudes that really differentiate the 2 cultures. Western women feel they are entitled to

everything that you have where as filapinas appreciate whatever you can do for them. At least that's my take on the

issue.

2. I am guilty of looking at women in the US and observing how they only view men as an economic means by which to get ahead in life, and how they are focused upon the material for happiness and have forgotten about love.

3. I have found Asian women to be collaborative in a relationship versus wanting to run the whole thing from one perspective only.

- They are committed to making a relationship successful over the long term

- They are family oriented, which makes them more caring and nurturing

- A person that has lived or seen poverty up close has developed a sense of value and thrift that helps decision-making in household matters. Less materialistic and they understand the value of a peso/dollar.

- My Joy is quick to say “I love You”, “Thank You”, and show respect very frequently. This warms my heart and makes me more than willing to return my love as well. While my ex-wife is more inclined to say “What have you done for me today”.

4.To a certain degree, Filipinas seem to have a reputation for being sweet, gentle, loving and loyal.

Many (most?) do not have interest in material wealth, only whether a potential husband would love them and treat them well.

(In my case, Maria could have married at least two different millionaires. She was turned off by their displays of wealth. She thought they might be more interested in their properties and portfolios than in her and future children.)

Three, four of our friends say many American women, at least in the Washington, DC metro area, are focused on the size of a guy's bank account and little else.

5. Filipinas are hard-wired differently than American women who grow up spoiled and undisciplined. Filipinas don't marry a guy because he is "cute" or "cut". Marriage is about security, family and faith.

6. American women..

- highest maintenance (I've never heard of a foreign bride demanding her husband buy expensive house & cars)

- fattest in the world

- most likely to cheat

- highest rate of divorce (60% - US-US marriages; 20% - US-foreign marriages)

- largest payout in divorce court (you'll be ####-raped for everything you earned, plus most of what you will earn for years to come)

- bitchiest

- most likely to nag constantly

- most likely to hate men

- spend least amount of time with her children

- worst at cooking and cleaning

7. 3 reasons to marry an American woman

1. You actually believe BBW = big BEAUTIFUL wife.

2. You believe nagging is essential for personal growth.

3. You really look forward to the day your BBW wife divorces you and you gladly fork over 50% over your hard earned assets, plus child support and alimony (a lard #### ###### for sure is not going to have a good job). Then after that you have to figure out how to live on 20% of your income.

8. I can not date white American women anymore. I was in the navy and I have seen the light. Women from other countries just look better and treat you better too! I didnAmerican women are high-maintenance primadonnas with attitudes. I'd take a foreign born Russian or Latina woman any day. I didnt pay for ###### when I was overseas and I pay up the wazoo here. Any rational person can figure it out from here.

9. Dating or being married to an American woman is like driving a beat-up Ford Escort. If you are only used to driving a beat-up Ford Escort, then you have no idea what it feels like when you drive a Bentley or Ferrari. You need to at least test-drive a Ferrari, so you'll have a reference point on what a real car feels like.

10. Foreign women are comfortable in their femininity. As a male I am attracted to this. And I love her with all my heart.

I believe that American women have priced themselves out of the marketplace. Too needy, too many headgames, too easy to divorce.

Not many foreign men want American wives either.

Yes, I agree with this whole post. If you find an honest wife there, things can work out fantastically well. But you hit on the issue that many guys worry about:

http://www.gmanews.tv/story/147157/many-fi...-money-not-love

How funny. The author is just assuming this is the case. LOL. Perhaps the author is correct, who knows. But the USCIS did its own study and found just the opposite to be true.

http://www.uscis.gov/files/article/MobRept_AppendixA.pdf

In this link, the USCIS study revealed :

" Why do foreign women want American husbands? Many sources suggest that these women are searching for a "better life" in terms of socio-economic factors--they do, for the most part, come from places in which jobs and educational opportunities for women are scarce and wages are low. However, when the women themselves are asked this question, the answer generally indicates an attraction to American men (they look like movie stars) and an aversion to native men. Americans, they say, make good husbands while Filipino (Thai/Indonesian/Russian/etc.) men do not. Americans are thought to be faithful to their wives, while the native men are cruel and run around with other women. True or not, this is the perception.

Steve must be hanging around Wal-Mart too much.

http://www.peopleofwalmart.com/

That said, I wish him good luck. He shouldn't need to defend his choice of women -- evaluating the probabilities and going ahead to find the spouse he wants. The probability for many is that a Filipina would be a perfect match -- the search entails locating the really honest ones who aren't in it for the green card and cash to send back home.

Amen to that. This is the risk factor in doing what so many men like myself do. While many people here exclaim "I would never search out someone of a certain nationality, I just happened to fall in love with a foreigner",...well more power to you. Im happy for you. But many of us are in a particular bind when it comes to finding "QUALITY" choices in mates. Many men in the USA have no comparison what exists overseas so they never even think to look outside the USA. If I had never traveled overseas, I would probably be resigned to thinking my only options are in the USA and succumb to being single forever or compromising in marrying a materialistic or overweight woman. Traveling overseas and seeing such beautiful hearted HUMBLE, non materialistic woman really opened my eyes and my options.

Lastly, about the weight issue, yes, its both men and woman that are overwight, in fact, stats say 70%!!! I have nothing against overweight people, even I myself have the a little of the spare tire thing going on, LOL. But again, you people attacking toma 1 , please stop it with the liles and political correctness. In general, men are not attracted to overweight woman, PERIOD! Just google the scientific studies on the issue. Toma1 is just speaking the truth. It doesnt mean fat people are bad, or are being judged, its just a unpleasant fact that most men are not physically/sexually attracted to overweight woman and thus many guys do go overseas in order to find a attractive slim wife, well,and to also escape materialistic american woman. I read guys posts who marry foreign ladies(such as filipnas)and their wives arent demanding a new car, a big house, fancy vacations etc, that most American ladies come to expect or feel entitled to. Back to the weight issue, ....Woman on the other hand dont mind it so much if a man is overweight. They do tend to mind if he is shorter than her though. So, Im not going to call woman shallow for not dating shorter men just as woman shoudl not call men shallow for not dating overweight woman. If this country wasnt so obese, I think I would have found someone here in the US already. Every singles event I have been to for 27+ yr olds seems to consist of 90% woman who are overweight or large. Just not my taste. But when I go to the Philippines, wow, 90% are thin and sexy!! In fact, today's definition of a "HOT" woman in the USA simply requires the woman not be overweight. If she is not ovberweight, almost regardless of her looks, she will be labled as hot. Its gotten that bad and its sad. America is killing itself. I could go on about why we are so fat as country (we gouge ourselves , ever see foreign countries meal portions compared to our super size stuffing our face portions?). That would be a completely different thread however.

(That said, I would have no problem with my job and salary being ONE of her reasons for marrying me, and I have no doubt that they were some form of measuring stick for her the same as hers were for me).

And that's fine, a person's job status, income, and career success are perfectly fine as being one of the many reasons that play a role in who you choose to date or marry. But man, most american woman take it way too far. For them, income is the #1 reason (often only reason) they choose who they will date or marry. Even the dallas morning news here in my city had an article confirming this issue with woman in dallas, Dr laura Schlessinger has even affirmed this fact on her talk show,(as she was comparing this to woman of other cultures) and I have too many guy freinds and co workerss who agree. Again, NOT ALL american woman do this, but by far and large, most are $$ worshipers and put it at the top spot of their reasons for being with a man. One of my long time friends said she only dates men who are $60K + career earners. I always had a feeeling she might be that way and one day she finally admitted it and I never cared to be firends with her ever since. Its sick!! I just think it is really lame. Meanwhile, Im left looking for that sparse 25% who truly dont care about a man's income, and then that 25% who are not overweight, and that 25% between 30-35 who will date someone my age (due to age bias here that doesnt exist in most foreign cultures) and you widdle all that down, the odds get really super slim Ill find someone here in the states. I just happen to adore filipinas more than most cultures butIm open to any culture if its the right girl.

As for posting your wife's weight and bmi.....it's just plain creepy. It is like you are considering a car purchase rather than describing someone that is suppose to be your love.

Yes, it makes it sound like one is calculating her miles per gallon ratio. But that's just me.

OMG Che!!!

I just wonder if anyone who posts obsessively about their spouses looks realizes how that makes said spouse look? Can you spell piece of meat? Mind you, I am all about the pretty; but I married the redhead for a myriad other reasons.

Toma1, no worries. LOL. These people attacking you just cant handle the TRUTH! The truth is something that every relationship expert and pshychologist says is a requirement for every successful relationship, and that is sexual/physical attractiveness to your mate. Now beauty is in the eye of the beholder, I understand that, but lets be real here, how many men (as science has proven men tend to be visual creatures) are sexually attracted to overweight woman??? Think about that one for a second and get back to me.

It makes me sick how political correctness is so rampant that it overides uncomfortable truths. Men in general are not attracted to overweight woman, and in fact, many woman are not attracted to overweight men, which is fine!! And fact is, American woman are fat. Maybe 20% are not . Yet you guys jump on Toma1 for pointing out fact and truth and even twist it into accusing him of only loving his wife for her phyisical looks and then INSULTING his wife AND CALLING HER A PIECE OF MEAT. You people should leave family out of your insults ok? Family and spouses are off limits in any tid for tats.

This silly political correctness reminds me of airport security patting down 75 yr old grandmas, or reminds me of laws that dont allow the FBI to do extra scrutiny with security checks on middle eastern travelers boarding airplanes. Its ignorance that arises out of the fact that people CANT HANDLE THE TRUTH!! It will often make them uncomfortable.

I can't believe I actually managed to read all 25 pages of this thread within 2 days.

While a handful of VJ members are hoping the thread will die (and I am sure it will just die a natural death lol), I read it through hoping to see a comment similar to what my husband had made about Steve55's experience.

It may be naive of me to think it, but I am hoping Steve55's experience would be a cautionary tale to those attempting to start their visa journey: before you even attempt to clog up this already busy immigration system, think twice about who you want to bring to the U.S. as your spouse or as your fiance(e).

My husband and I are somewhat disappointed that people like Steve55 have managed to get 3 approved K1 visas within a relatively short period of time...in contrast, people like Rick and I are still languishing in USCIS/NVC/Consulate hell...separated because for now we have to be...while waiting for the end of our journey. It is an agonizing wait, and right now, so many other things are happening in our lives that we are desperately trying to deal with as husband and wife while living so far away from each other.

We have tried to rationalize how cases get processed and adjudicated and I tell you, we are at a loss...just looking at the VJ Immigration Timelines and Igor's List tells the story. There are members in the same service center as we are (from the Philippines) who have received their NOA2s already --- some have filed way before we have, and some AFTER we have. In the meantime, we are clinging onto every hope we can...waiting for that one e-mail that will tell us when Rick and I can be reunited, never to be apart again.

Thanks for listening...on our part, we can do nothing but hope and pray. Good luck to us all.

P.S.

I guess part of the frustration stems from the fact that I am currently working for a Canadian immigration consulting firm here in the Philippines, and all this not knowing where we are in the process is becoming quite maddening. I know I can't compare the two systems, however, knowing where we are in the process would certainly ease our minds through the wait.

Well, since yoru happiness(or others happiness) is so much more important than mine, I guess I should just give up then and resort myself to a lonely life of singlehood, while I sit in some USCIS lifetime penalty box. The first 2 fiances backed out on me, not me on them. Yet , Im somehow the bad guy. NICE!!

I just think it's sad that several replies seem to indicate fiances chosen based on their culture or country of origin.

I take this path for love, I certainly wouldn't do this for "fun". I know my fiance and I know what I'm getting into. Just. Wow.

YOu are right. It is sad.

I wish I didnt have to be forced to look overseas for a wife. I wish I could find a american woman who doesnt choose who she dates based on a man's income, and who is young enough to have kids and yet still willing to date a man my age(as American woman are age sensitive, most dont go more than 4 years older than them) ,and who doesnt have kids already(within the age whgo are willing to date someone my age) and who isnt overweight. The overweight part knocks out 70% of the candidates as I really have yet to find myself attracted to large or overweight woman. Plus, it is near impossible for me to meet woman unless I want to go to bars and clubs. I go to church singles maybe, but they lump me in the 38-40+ age group,...NO THANKS! I do want a few kids thank you. This country makes it hard to meet people cause we drive in cars and seclude ourselves, we dont even know our neighbors. Its n ot easy meeting other singles here.

Yes, it is sad indeed. Its sad that woman here are materialitisc, mostly overweight, and are age bias. So yes, I do have to look overseas in order to find woman. And you can indeed look in one country or culture , even the relationship experts say there is a match for all of us in every culture. It doesnt matter what culture you are looking in. Heck, if I happen to luck out and meet a woman here in the USA, then great, Ill be happy to go with it. But it aint likley for reasons already stated above.