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Just now, smilesammich said:

Right, emojis will mask your intent.

Just now, yuna628 said:

Not judging him, but thanks for judging!

 Something in the water today or...?

Yeah, I mean, all the people of non-color ridiculing him, keep on doing your thing.  Keep disparaging a person of color for speaking their mind.  As a person of non-color, you totally have that right to disrespect of person of color from forming an independent opinion.  Your ancestors fought so hard for you to be able to do that. But that is just an inconvenient truth for you I guess. 

Just now, smilesammich said:

obviously this..

Obviously racist.

Just now, yuna628 said:

The right to think and to have free speech and free thought is not bound by race, religion, or creed.

Exactly! So, why are you defending people of non-color who are disparaging a person of color for speaking his mind?

Just now, smilesammich said:

his comments are nonsense and ridiculous and he certainly has the right to them. i'll ignore the racist bit, because that's also nonsense and ridiculous.

Exactly the liberal leftist progressive racist talking points.

4 minutes ago, yuna628 said:

Why are you arguing about it then for no reason, as a non-POC? If you are a non-POC you cannot judge what he's said, but clearly you have done that. You judge his comments as non-ridiculous, therefore you believe his comments are valid, or have some sort of truth of validity. A person has their right to their own beliefs, and no other poster that has responded has stated that he doesn't have a right to his beliefs - but so do the other posters on this forum. If Kanye has a problem with that, he's free to register and complain. I'm sure we'd be happy to discuss it with him without a non-POC yelling at other posters about what they should and shouldn't think. No one here is forcing their beliefs upon Kanye, and you know it.

 

Unless you are the obtuse thought police task force now? I know you're just going around in circles just because, unless you are a hardcore Kanye fanboy, of which, my sympathies. It's a hard time for his fans right now.

But, clearly I am not judging him.  There are several people here judging him, I am not one of them.  I have stated multiple times that he has the right to say what he wants, WITHOUT BEING JUDGED.  So, as a person of non-color, you should stop judging him.

Just now, smilesammich said:

so you don't have any quotes to back up your comments.

i have never spoken to kayne before, and never told him what to think. but the nonsense he's been spouting the past few days is just as ridiculous as this non argument i'm having with you right now.

Calling his comments "nonsense" is racist.  He has the right, as a person of color, to think and believe what he wants to think and believe.  You have no right to judge him.

Just now, smilesammich said:

not at all, i'll say it again so we're clear: kayne's comments are ridiculous. now prove that i don't have the right to say that with specific "comments by people of color". they're "countless" so this should be easy for you.

 

 

Are you a person of color? Obviously, you are not.  So, you don't have the right to disparage the beliefs of a person of color, when they are expressing their beliefs about the tragedies that befell their ancestors.  Your ignorance of that is amazing.  Why do you think you have the right to tell them what to think?  Telling them that their beliefs are "ridiculous" is tantamount to forcing your ideals on them.

Just now, yuna628 said:

Hey Jay, ya mind telling me when or where I judged Kanye West's comments exactly? I can have whatever thoughts about his comments that I want, but I certainly haven't aired my thoughts here.

 

Or are we just going to keep going around in circles?

 

 

Why are you arguing about it then?  If you haven't judged his comments, then you wouldn't comment negatively about someone saying he has the right to his own beliefs.

Just now, smilesammich said:

prove it.

 

You have willingly proved it yourself.  Are you really saying that you've never said his comments are ridiculous?

Just now, yuna628 said:

So no then. You've made a lot of judgments and assumptions about the statements Kanye has made. By your logic as a white person, you shouldn't be doing that.

 

 

I haven't judged him at all.  You seem to be willing to judge him though, but as a person of non-color, you don't have that right.  

Just now, smilesammich said:

i have every right to call his comments ridiculous. it's my opinion and i'm entitled to it.

You don't, that has been made clear by countless comments by people of color.  You have no right to judge his beliefs of the historical injustices that his ancestors have faced.  None at all.  You can disagree with him but ridiculing as a person of non-color is not your right.

3 minutes ago, smilesammich said:

his comments are ridiculous. i disagree with his ridiculous comments. i've never bought a kayne album either.

totally within my right to say all of these things.

 

 

You are not, because you could disagree with him without calling his comments ridiculous.  You have no right to judge his beliefs to that extreme.

4 minutes ago, yuna628 said:

Are you a POC?

 

Just so we're clear how this circular argument works to you.

I'm not trying to judge his comments or beliefs, so your attempt at the straw-man is invalid.

6 minutes ago, smilesammich said:

no, i haven't.

again, there's a difference between disagreeing with someone's thoughts or words and telling someone they aren't allowed to have those thoughts or say those words.

and i have no political agenda. 

You can disagree with him without trying to ridicule him.  Calling his comments ridiculous is not your right as a person of non-color.

3 minutes ago, bcking said:

We all can judge each other as much as we want. We can say whatever we want. You can disagree with me just like I disagree with Kanye.

 

Again the only person here telling someone else they can't speak their mind is you...

Sure, you can disagree with him, but calling his comments ridiculous is a dog whistle.  You can disagree with his comments, but disparaging or ridiculing them as a person of non-color, is clearly a dog whistle.

1 minute ago, bcking said:

Providing commentary and opinion on what he said is not the same thing as saying he has no right to say it.

 

Everyone has the right to their own opinion. Either their initial opinion, or a comment on someone else's opinion. As long as we aren't telling other people to not share their opinion (like you are doing now), we are all good.

 

 

It is indeed

 

But yet, when you check the mainstream media, Kayne is "off his meds" or he "just doesn't understand".  You are enforcing that narrative with your white privileged comments.  You don't have the right to judge him and saying his comments are "ridiculous" is judgement.

Just now, bcking said:

Doesn't matter what it is "classically"....here in this thread there are only certain people saying that we shouldn't express our opinions. 

People of color have clearly and adamantly said you have no right no express your opinion on the tragedies that have afflicted their ancestors.  You have no right to judge their opinions, no matter where they fall on the political spectrum.

3 minutes ago, jayjayj said:

Sure you have, you just didn't listen.  There are many people of color have said people of non-color have no right to tell them to think or say, and have said clearly people of non-color have no right to disparage or ridicule their beliefs.  You just choose to ignore them to further your political agenda.

It is obvious people of non-color who ridicule people of color are harboring racist agendas.  Obviously, I'm not saying you personally are racist though. 

11 minutes ago, smilesammich said:

i've never had anyone tell me that i'm not allowed to disagree with a black person, until you - right now. and again, disagreeing with someone is not telling them what to think/believe.

Sure you have, you just didn't listen.  There are many people of color have said people of non-color have no right to tell them what to think or say, and have said clearly people of non-color have no right to disparage or ridicule their beliefs.  You just choose to ignore them to further your political agenda.

Just now, smilesammich said:

says who?

People of color say that, so you have no right to question them.  You don't get to tell them what to think or believe.  

4 minutes ago, smilesammich said:

that's what you guys keep saying, but you've got no proof to back it up.

You could Google "leftist fascists shutting down free speech on college campuses in America", but you probably won't, because you already know the truth.  

4 minutes ago, bcking said:

When did I say he shouldn't say it? Commenting on the content of what he said is not the same thing as telling him not to say it. He can say whatever he wants, and I comment on it however I like. His interview (discussed in another thread) was nonsensical in parts, offensive in others and overall ridiculous. When someone decides to say something they open themselves up to comment and criticism. That is normal and expected. That has nothing to do with a person's skin color.

 

Your lack of comment to the long list of other experiences that our "Community Organizer" had for me is tacit recognition of the fact that you were knowingly and intentionally minimizing his experiences prior to his election.

You said that what he said was ridiculous.  You have no right to say that as a person of non-color.  You don't get to judge his beliefs of the historical injustices that afflicted his ancestors.  You have no right at all to judge him or his comments. 

Just now, bcking said:

Well he'd also have to attend law school, edit one of the most prestigious (the most?) law school review, work as a lawyer, serve as a State Senator for 7 years, and then become a US senator. But sure, he could community organize in the middle of that as well.

 

When did I say what he should say or believe? He should say whatever he wants to say. That doesn't make what he says any less or more ridiculous than it is. Two separate things. 

You said that what he said was ridiculous, didn't you?  As a person of non-color, you don't have the right to tell people of color what they should say or believe.  Don't people of color have the right to speak freely without being ridiculed?  I believe they do.

Just now, smilesammich said:

anyone can call his opinions ridiculous. and no one has said that kayne doesn't have the right to his own opinions and beliefs. people that disagree, have that same right.

 

oh, did you call me a facist too? i didn't notice. details, please.

People of non-color have no right to call his opinions ridiculous.  He has the right to think freely, as much as you hate that.  

"Sometimes it seems as if I have spent the first half of my life refusing to let white people define me and the second half refusing to let black people define me." Thomas Sewell

2 minutes ago, smilesammich said:

that's what i thought.

Exactly what I thought.

I realize you are worried, but don't worry MAGA is for the benefit of all.

Just now, smilesammich said:

i haven't told anyone how to vote. and what does 'african american communities mean'? 

So you agree then, Kayne has the right to think freely and develop his own beliefs without people of non-color telling him what to think or calling his ideas ridiculous?