Hy Vong

Is it required to have the Police Certificate?

I thought on the Package 4 Instruction says you only need Original Foreign Police Certificate if you resided for at least 6 months on another country?

"13. Original Foreign Police Certificate: Foreign Police Certificate(s) for persons age 16 and over from

any country in which you resided for a least six months since age of 16 or older. Further information

about foreign police certificates, please visit http://travel.state.gov/visa/fees/fees_3272.html "

My financee sent package 3 (DS-2001 and DS-230 Part I) today at the post office in Saigon. Post office said it will take within 2 days for the package to arrive at the Consulate.

According to the timeline of the members here at JV, my fiancee should expect to receive package 4 or I can call DoS in 2 weeks to find out the schedule for the interview. I can't believe it's been 5 months already since I filed my I-129F and if everything goes well, I'll be with my fiancee in 3 months in the U.S. and as husband and wife.

This website and members are very useful, keeping me a few steps ahead of this visa process. I am thinking when my fiancee arrives in the U.S., I would like to make a small donation to the owner of this website for appreciation and for the motivation to its owner and members to continue providing quality and friendly free services.

Thanks ScottThuy,

I have 1 more question and I know this might be a stupid question but I just want to make sure.

The DS-230 has 4 pages

Part I is pages 1-2

Part II is pages 3-4

My financee filled out Part I only and will send tomorrow with DS-2001 (pages 1-2)

So we are not filling out and not sending Part II (Pages s3-4) correct? But questions 39-44 on Part II seems like they need to be filled.

Also. I read package 4 instruction from online, one of the requirements my financcee needs to take with her to the interview is DS-230 Part I.

This is very confusing. We are sending DS-230 Part I for package 3. Why do they want DS-230 Part I again for the interview date? And I don't see anywhere that they talk about Part II of the DS-230.

Please help

I made a timeline for myself.

Does my fiancee need to have one also? If she does, her timeline of relationship is going to be the same as mine.

Thanks

congrats

Please help.

I don't understand why on the letter I received from DoS stated that HCMC has received my K Visa application. But the link on the letter is the INSTRUCTION PACKAGE FOR IMMIGRANT VISA APPLICANTS

What is the different between the INSTRUCTION PACKAGE FOR IMMIGRANT VISA APPLICANTS

and the INSTRUCTION PACKAGE FOR K VISA APPLICANTS?

My fiancee have not received package 3 from the HCMC.

But on Friday 08/10/2012 I received a letter from

Consular Section

Department of State

7160 Ho Chi Minh City Place

Washington DC

saying

"The U.S Consulate in Ho Chi Minh City has received your K Visa application for processing.

You should download the instruction package on our website at http://photos.state.gov/libraries/hochiminh/714680/shenjy/INSTRUCTION%20PACKAGE%20FOR%20IMMIGRANT%20VISA%20APPLICANTS.pdf

.

.

"

Ok so I followed the link to download the Instruction package (Package 3). This is the latest version of July 2012, they ask more then just DS-2001 and DS-230 Part I.

This new version of Package 3, they also ask us to send in

Visa photo: Two (2) full face color photographs for each applicant. Write your name and date of birth

on the back of each of your photos. You may find more information on page 5 for photo specifications

and a list of photo shops in Ho Chi Minh City

Passports: One (1) photocopy of passport for each applicant. Valid passports are required for all

applicants including children. The passport must have at least eight month validity beyond the issuance

date of the visa.

So after reading through the new instruction package, I told my fiancee to also send 2 Visa Photos and Copy of Passport with the DS-2001 and DS-230 Part I. My fiancee is going to mail all these tomorrow 08/13/12 at the post office in Saigon.

Thank you guys.

The information such as names and the addresses above are just examples I made up, I didn't put my real info up here.

For the addresses of the 10 years residency. I don't have the bills for all the places in the last 10 years to show them, what I have are the Bank statements that I can print out from online but those are just available for the last 7 years. What I can do is to look for my filed income taxes from 2002. I hope the bank statements and old income taxes are good enough as proof for the addresses that I resided.

I called the DoS again this morning and they told me that HCMC sent package 3 out on August 1st. I'll ask my fiancee to wait til Wednesday of next week if she doesn't receive that package, she'll mail in DS-2001 and DS-230 Part 1 to the HCMC.

Go ahead and send in package 3. Don't have to wait for it. It's nothing more than a piece of paper refer to HCMC website.

Should I really tell my fiancee to bring the filled out package 3 that I downloaded from the HCMC website at this time and don't have to wait for the package 3 to arrive?

Here is my 10 years of residency

Hy Vong Nguyen

453 Degal Court

Fresno, CA 94672

Phone: (xxx) xxx-xxxx

Email: xxxx@xxx.xxx

U.S. Consulate General

Immigrant Visa Section

4 Le Duan Street, District 01

Ho Chi Minh City, Vietnam

Case Number: HCM xxxx xxx xxx

Re: 10 years residency of petitioner, Hy Vong Nguyen

I, Hy Vong Nguyen, a citizen of the U.S., the following is a sworn affidavit documenting the 10 years residency during 2002 to present.

1.

01/2011-present

Address:

453 Degal Court

Fresno, CA 94717

Lived by myself

Phone xxx xxxx xxxx

2.

03/2010-12/2010

Address:

1111 wowo St.

Garden Grove, CA 92712

Lived with:

Mother: Queen Nguyen

DOB: 01/01/1950

Phone: (xxx) xxx-xxxx

3.

08/2002-11/2009

Landlord: Jasaon Cook, DOB:

Landlord: Jenny Cook DOB:

Phone: (xxx) xxx-xxxx

I, Hy Vong Nguyen, a citizen of the U.S and currently reside at 453 Degal Court CA 111111, do hereby state that the following is true and accurate to the best of my knowledge.

______________________________________ ____________________________________

Name Signature

---- ---- ---- ---- ---- ---- ---- ---- ---- ---- ----- ---- ------ ---- ------ ------ ------- ---- ---- ---- ---- --------

State of__________________________

County of__________________________

On this _______ day of _____________, 2012, before me, a Notary Public for said County and State, personally appeared ______________________, known or identified to me, to be the person whose name is subscribed to the within instrument, and acknowledged to me that he executed the same.

IN WITNESS WHEREOF, I have hereunto set my hand and affixed my official seal the day and year in this certificate first above written.

Notary Public for the State of California

________________________________________


Notary Signature


(SEAL)

________________________________________

Name

________________________________________

Residing at

________________________________________

Commission Expires

Hi All,

I am heading to Vietnam at the end of this month to have our engagement party. The DoS told me that NVC has sent the package to HCMC on July 25th. DoS also told me that HCMC has already sent package 3 to my financee but she has not received it, I am thinking in the next few days, she will.

This is my 3rd trip to Vietnam to see her in a little more than 2 years during our relationship and this time she and I will officially engage. Bringing with me are the following so that she can be ready once she received package 4 for the interview

1. Copy of the entire I-129F package that sent the petition

2. Send all originals of the documentary proof that submitted for the I-129F to fiancee for interview at the embassy

3. Send the original letter affirming your desire to marry your finacee and your continued to support of the K-1 Visa. Sign and date the form. Date closer to the interview

4. I-134 Affidavit of Support Form. Ensure it is signed with all required supporting evidence

5. At least 3 of most recent pay stubs

6. Signed letter from your employer listing job title, start date, salary, and the status (full-time).

7. Banking information and other assets as required by the I-134

8. Income tax filed

9. A copy of the NOA2 Letter received in the mail

10. Proof of ongoing relationship between the time filed and present (NOA1 and now)

11. Phone bills, emails, letters, copy of engagement ring receipt

12. Timeline of Relationship

13. The 10 years of residency with public notarized

This is how my TimeLine look like. I will print this out and bring it to the bank to get it notarized.

Hy Vong Nguyen

453 Degal Court

Fresno, CA 94672

Phone: (xxx) xxx-xxxx

Email: xxxx@xxx.xxx

U.S. Consulate General.

Immigrant Visa Section

4 Le Duan St., District 01,

Ho Chi Minh City, Vietnam.

Re: Timeline of relationship with my fiancée, Pham Thi Tuyet Trinh. DOB: 07-12-1988.

Case Number: HCM xxxx xxx xxx. 


I, Hy Vong Nguyen, a citizen of the U.S., am the fiancé of Pham Thi Tuyet Trinh. The following is a sworn affidavit documenting the timeline of our relationship during January 10th, 2010 to present.

I first met Pham Thi Tuyet Trinh on January 10th, 2010 at the Saigon Plaza, in Ho Chi Minh City, Vietnam. I had gone to the Saigon Plaza to buy gifts, and Tuyet Trinh worked at the shop. While buying the gifts, Tuyet Trinh and I had a very nice conversation and we exchanged phone numbers.

We sent many text messages to each other, and on January 12th, 2010, we went out on our first date. We met up at 8pm in Ho Chi Minh City, District 1 on a tourist boat along the Saigon River.

After our first date, both of us continued to send text messages and to talk on the phone. We met again two more times at the Saigon Plaza when I came over to see her. We also met on the following dates during our relationship.

02/03/2010 – Tuyet Trinh and I went to Dam Sen Water Park in Ho Chi Minh City.

03/02/2010 - 03/04/2010 – Tuyet Trinh and I went to Da Lat.

03/12/2012 -

03/2010-09/2011 -

09/02/2011 -

09/04/2011 - 09/05/2011 -

09/05/2011 -

09/06/2011-09/07/2011 -

09/08/2011-09/10/2011 -

09/10/2011-09/11/2011 -.

09/12/2011 -

02/10/2012 - I made marriage proposal to Tuyet Trinh by phone. She happily accepted and requested for an engagement ceremony to be held at her hometown.

03/12/2012 - I filed form I-129F Petition for K-1 Fiancée Visa for Pham Thi Tuyet Trinh.

09/01/2012 -

09/10/2012 -.We had our engagement ceremony held in her hometown.

I found a woman that I love very much. More importantly I found in her what I’ve been looking for all my life. She is my love, my future, and I want to marry to her, to have children and to spend the rest of my life with her.

1. She is always there for me, patiently listening to my problems, shares her opinions and thoughts, and I do the same for her.

2. She is a very nice, beautiful, and understanding person. She has a very good heart and cares for others.

3. Last but not least, the most important thing in marriage is to love and be loved. I definitely find it with Tuyet Trinh. She is a very loving and passionate woman.

Pham Thi Tuyet Trinh and I still remain in contact while we’re apart from each other. We also intend to marry and look forward to starting our lives together as husband and wife when she arrives here in the U.S.

I, Hy Vong Nguyen, a citizen of the U.S and currently reside at 453 Degal Court, Fresno CA, do hereby state that the following is true and accurate to the best of my knowledge.

______________________________________ ____________________________________

Name Signature

---- ---- ---- ---- ---- ---- ---- ---- ---- ---- ----- ---- ------ ---- ------ ------ ------- ---- ---- ---- ---- --------

State of__________________________

County of__________________________

On this _______ day of _____________, 2012, before me, a Notary Public for said County and State, personally appeared ______________________, known or identified to me, to be the person whose name is subscribed to the within instrument, and acknowledged to me that he executed the same.

IN WITNESS WHEREOF, I have hereunto set my hand and affixed my official seal the day and year in this certificate first above written.

Notary Public for the State of California

________________________________________


Notary Signature


(SEAL)

________________________________________

Name

________________________________________

Residing at

________________________________________

Commission Expires

I called DoS, pressed 1 then pressed 0 to speak to the rep.

They told me the HCMC received the file from NVC. HCMC already sent package 3 out to my fiancee. I asked for the dates that HCMC received from NVC and the date that they sent the package to my Fiancee but the rep said no dates.

So within the next few days, my fiancee should receive package 3 and she will bring forms DS-2001 and DS-230 part I to the HCMC.

Things are moving fast now.

I called NVC today to ask about the status and they said they already sent my case to Ho Chi Minh Consulate on July 25th. wow, this is moving very fast. Should my financee expect to receive the package 3 in the mail soon? 2-3 weeks?

It is a big mistake that China made by drawing the 9 dashes map covering 80% of all the EAST SEA. By making this move, China have already made a mistake. There are some power splitting up in Chinese government between the politicians and between the politicians and military leaders and what they are trying to do is to take away the attention of the problems happening inside of China so that there wouldn't be some uprising in their country. Pay attention to China economy and politics lately and you'll see what problems they are facing. Instead of trying to solve their internal problems, they wrongfully making silly moves by trying to take over all the sea in Southeast Asia.

A poor country with 100 million people does not beat an affluent country with over to a billion people no matter how much you wish it is so.

Didn't the French, American, and the Chinese say the same thing like what you said on the above sentence when they came to Vietnam? Vietnam's today is 20 times better than Vietnam 50 years ago.

You are keep on telling me don't talk about the past, wars strategies are the same for thousands of years. Chinese weapons now are more advanced so are the Vietnamese weapons. Go do some research on such weapons called Bastion–P missiles, these type of missiles designed and use in Russia and Vietnam. Chinese badly wanted to buy from the Russian but got refused, however, Russian exported these to Vietnam for destruction of warships from the enemy's landing squadrons, convoys, carriers trike groups some 300km away.

I am hoping none of the Filipino leaders have the same thinking as your thinking. Overestimated the enemy at war and underestimated your own ability. If you were the leader of the Philippines, you would probably tell your people to put the guns down before the Chinese even come to your country because you think their are superior over you by such thing as their population, money and weapons. 800 millions Chinese people are still poor, living under the average world living standard. What makes you think China can take on any country in a matter of weeks? They can aggressively take on the Philippines in a few weeks because Philippines military is one of weakest in the world, no air force power, no battle ships, no missiles defense but even if the Chinese attack the Philippines, it will cost China more than what China can gain because now a days, no country has the ability to fight and occupy another sovereignty country for long. over 2 millions Chinese troops is more than 2 times the number of American troops, does that mean American military is inferior to that of the Chinese? America has more than $15 trillions in dept, Chinese has more than $2 trillion in cash, does that mean China is superior over America in anyway?

2 millions Chinese troops over a mass piece of land and body of water, they cannot take a big risk to deploy a large number of troops to the border of Vietnam or the coast of Vietnam while leaving the rest of their country at risk.

About Chinese military technology, 90% of it is copied from Russia. They still can't even make their own aircraft carrier while American made 11 air craft carriers for more than 50 years and American used air craft carriers during the war with Vietnam but still failed to take victory. In addition to the aircraft carriers, American also had many military bases stationed in Guam, Subic Bay of the Phillippines, in Thailand, New Zealands, Australia... during the war with Vietnam but still failed. What make you think the Chinese can do anything to Vietnam at seas or on land? It takes days if not weeks for them to deploy troops to the border of Vietnam and weeks to deploy warships to an area off the coasts of Vietnam for their guns and missiles to reach the firing range but when they do that, Vietnam has enough fire power to strike back. Why do you think Vietnam keep on getting advanced fighters such as Su-27 and Su-30s? What about battle ships and kilo class submarines? Sophisticated missiles S-300PMU and Bastion-P? You are speaking from the Filino's military capability that's why you think the Chinese can take on Vietnam in weeks, but if you were truly know the geographic advantage of Vietnam, its military build up and strategies than you wouldn't have said the above. China can win a battle, but they cannot win a war because declaring a war on Vietnam is declaring a war on the 100 million people of Vietnam. Over 4000 history of Vietnam, the Vietnamese have advanced in the experiences of fighting the invaders and it doesn't matter where on the timeline. Again and again, the Chinese military now is no where near that of the American military 50 years ago. Chinese still can't even make their air craft carrier while the American made those and used those more than 50 years ago. B52's fleet is still the best high attitude and sophisticated bombers in the world and the American still use those but they were shot down by a couple of dozens in Vietnam. Anyway, nice debating with you and thanks for the good luck

Again you are bringing up battles from the past, which have NOTHING to do with modern warfare. I've stated before I have no doubt in the commitment by VN people to defend their homeland. You mention the US can't defeat Iraq or Afghanistan alone, which is certainly not the case. The US could easily level those places and kill everyone in sight, but we choose to follow international law and human rights. It is how we "are". We fight for freedom, but thinking we can't do it unilaterally is not being realistic. We certainly can, but wisely choose not to. Can the same be said for China?

Consider this very viable scenario: China places an embargo on VN, stops selling electrical power to you, stops all incoming shipments(which include the arms you are getting), claims rights to open seas in the area and enforces it. They have not invaded VN at all, but now have a stranglehold on your country and economy. You don't have the navy to fight it, and the world will certainly complain, but that doesn't mean they will send troops! After a year or two of this, which devastates your economy, they have built up a sizable ground force on your northern border.....and they find an "excuse" to invade, such as to keep the peace since the starving viets are protesting. They petition the world court saying they don't want a fight and only want to restore peace. They have no intention of permanently occupying VN and will leave once peace is restored. The world hopes for the best and does nothing. NOW China has control of VN without firing a shot and the likelyhood of the US having to invade a well entrenched Chinese army makes the proposition extremely expensive in both money and lives. Do you think in this economy and political climate the US gov would take on such a challenge, just to free one communist country from the grasp of another communist country? Do you think the US public would back such an ordeal into a country we already tried to save before, but were fought by the very people we tried to free?

You sound as if this is a science fiction book or a video game. Vietnam has one of the largest population in the world, if China can do what you said above so does Vietnam can do the same back to China. How far is Quandong from Vietnam, which is where one of the most populated and most industrialize zones in China, and how for is Hong Kong, QuangXi, Quangzhou from Vietnam? All these places with a couple hundred millions Chinese live would be well within the reach of the Vietnamese missiles and artilleries.

China cannot place no trade embargo against Vietnam, Vietnam today is not the Vietnam before. Vietnam today can supply its own food, oil. If China stop trading with Vietnam then it is China will face the bigger loss.

Two ways trade between China and Vietnam in 2010 was $25 billion, will be $30 billion this year. China exports to Vietnam more than $20 billion and import only less than $10 billions. China is taking a surplus of more than $10 billion, representing 7% of the total trade surplus of the entire Chinese trades with the world.

Most of Chinese export products to Vietnam are cheap crappy stuffs, mostly fake while Chinese import mostly raw materials. Stop trading with Vietnam will make China be a bigger loser that's why China cannot do ####### to Vietnam, unlike where the Philippines was being hitted hard a few months ago from economic sanction from China when they stopped importing bananas and other fruits from Philippines.

Like i said before, China want to be a superpower, they won't dare to have a big war with Vietnam, they will win the war in short terms but would have to face a bigger loss both economically in the world stage and diplomatically. The cost of invading another country that is willing to fight back for years after years will eventually make you lose. The French, the American, and the Chinese themselves have done before to Vietnam but again and again, failed and retreated.

you must know that in today's world. You cannot win a war by fighting it yourself, especially if you're invading someone. Even the most powerfully country in the World that is the U.S. still cannot go to Iraq and fight alone.

Vietnamese people doesn't take sympathy from the world when the Chinese invade. Chinese have done it many times and have failed to take over Vietnam like they did to many other ethnics. If the Chinese invade Vietnam or take on a war, Vietnam will need help from the world but this doesn't mean the others that come to help Vietnam can take advantage of Vietnam. The U.S. would not let the Chinese take over all of the East Sea, if so the U.S. will lose the interest in that area, therefore, when Vietnam get help, Vietnamese know that the helpers also need to help Vietnam for their own interests just like the old saying, the enemy of your enemy is your friend. The Chinese is becoming more and more as an enemy to the U.S. then friend. Chinese is also enemy to the Indian, the Philippines, the Japanese....

Vietnam will need help, just like the powerful U.S. need help from other countries in fighting the wars in Iraq, Afgannistant.... but this does not mean the Chinese can take over Vietnam in weeks. It took the French almost 100 years but eventually surrendered to Vietnam, it took the U.S. over 10 years and $500 billions but also failed to win a war in Vietnam. It took the Chinese over 200 thousands troops in 1979 to invade Vietnam and tried to force Vietnam pull out of Cambodia in fighting the Khmer Rough but failed.

Never under estimate the Vietnamese determination to fight, especially to fight when the nation is at war from invaders.

Vietnamese military before and Vietnamese military today.

You keep on saying the Chinese can take out the Vietnamese military in a matter of weeks. Please don't even think of this nor under estimate the Vietnamese military capability and their strategies.

Back in the 60's and 70's, Vietnamese economy was 80 times less than the Vietnamese economy today. If you don't believe me, go do some research just on google. Vietnamese economy exported less than $10 billions a year, 20 times less than that of Thailand, 10 times less than Phillipines but today, Vietnamese export $100 billions annually, closing the gap to 2 times that of Thailand and beat the Philippines export $100 billion to $60 billions. What this means is Vietnam has enough resources, both financially to support the domestic need and enough suppliers to buy weapons such as from Russia, India, Ukraine, Netherlands, and now the U.S.

Russian 2 months ago joined with Vietnam to start production of the anti-ship missile type Uran SS-N-25 Switchblade which is equivalent to that of the Indian Brahmos missile.

sources:

http://www.panarmenian.net/eng/news/93847/

http://www.defence.pk/forums/world-affairs/160051-vietnam-make-naval-missiles-russian-aid.html

Isreal, in addition to selling missile type EXTRA to Vietnam, Israel is also join production making machine guns with Vietnam this year.

Vietnam recently built its own warship type TT400PT

China's goal is to become the superpower that comparable to the U.S.. This is why it is not easy for them to wage a war on a smaller country, especially those that are their neighbors. Vietnam does nothing wrong, doesn't invade any one so if China is to invade and kill this will cause greatly to the Chinese image on the world stage. Just look at how many countries are supporting Vietnam and the Philippines in opposing Chinese movement in the disputed area when the Chinese are being aggressors.

Taking out Hanoi is not easy if it's that easy then the fleet of B52's bombers from the U.S. as well as the support battle ships in the gulf of Tonkin could have done back in the 60's and 70's already. Even if the Chinese forces can attack Hanoi, they don't have the ability to attack the entire Vietnam, which is now evenly divided into many command and military bases throughout the country.

If full scale of war broke out, both countries will be devastated. Like i said, Chinese can strike and take the win in battle at sea or on land but 50% of Chinese trades which is $5 trillion is going through the East Sea, which is between the Spratly and Vietnamese mainland. They can win the battles but they cannot win the war nor can they keep it safe on their trading routes.

Currently, Vietnamese have lots of friends but unfriendly with the Chinese such as the Japanese, Indian, U.S., South Korea, and even Russia. The U.S. is waiting to take advantage of Vietnam by putting some conditions in exchange for diplomatic, military, economic supports in return for Cam Ranh Bay. Vietnam doesn't fully trust the U.S. but Vietnam does need some military hardware such as advance radar systems and battle ships so eventually, Vietnam will side with the U.S. when the Chinese wage war. Today, some of the top U.S.senators in the arms Senate Arms Committee already voiced concerns over the Chinese aggressive movements in the disputed area.

Unless geography has changed recently China borders VN........that is NOT 1000 miles......it is a millimeter into VN and the supply chain for ground forces would be easily maintained.....with Hanoi then in easy reach.

Conflict would more likely be in the disputed area which is the spratly islands group. A full scale war will not likely happen but if it does, both sides will lose tremendously in terms of economics. Chineses with a population of more than 1.3 billions cannot afford to have a big impact from wars or else their economy will be devastated. Most of Chinese booming cities and industrial zones are on the east and southeast of their country. If they attack vietnam from land then they should clearly know that Vietnam has mid and long rang misiles such as the Scud A, B, C to strike back in return.

Chinese would not dare enough to wage a war with Vietnam on land or the history of 1979 will be repeated in their faces. Vietnamese army is still one of the.most skilled and dertermined in the world, close to half a million troops are active and continously ready. Only the navy force that Vietnam is inferior to that of the Chinese but geopraphically speaking, using navy is too far for Chinese force to win easily.

Larger number of soldiers over big land mass like what the Chinese have doesn't mean they will hold an upper hand. the larger the number of your soldiers over larger land or body of water is harder for you to deploy for wars. It is harder for the Chinese fighter jets to make round trip to attack the enemies of more than 2000 miles from the mainland to the disputed islands group of Spratly without having the ability to refuel or protection. This is why the Chinese is pushing really hard in the last 2 decades for their Nany, including aircraft carriers and their first aircraft carrier Shi Lang is not ready for combat for at least another 10 years. Vietnamese strategy is to have air defense capable of station on the coast, which are the S-300PMU, Bastion–P misiles acquired from Russia recently. Having 6 kilo class attack submarines is a big threat to the Chinese navy, which takes a few days to deploy from their mainland to the disputed area. However, Vietnamese fighter jets Su-30s are easily making round trip to and from the spratly without having troubles

The Chinese can fight and win the war at sea over Vietnam because of their strong navy but 50% of Chinese trades, especially oil from shipping cargos have to go through sea routes next to Vietnam. They cannot protect their shipping cargos from the Vietnamese misiles firing from the mainland that can reach anywhere in the Spratly island groups. Vietnamese airforce power are the 30 Su-30MK and 24 more coming, plus 40 Su-27, 250 Mig-21, 150 Su-22 are capable for striking round trip from the mainland to anywhere of the disputed island without having to refuel. How are the Chinese gonna do that from 1000 miles away and that is why there are so aggressively trying to build their first aircraft carrier.

Xin chao I'm not defending China at all and truly love my experiences with the viet public, but a reality check is in order. Without the backing of the worldwide community, there is little you can do to stop the absolutely massive and well armed Chinese. If you were indeed faced with the total might of the Chinese, without worldwide intervention, you will be occupied without a doubt. I'm talking military logistics, armament, and capability, not what is "right". The entirety of the viet forces would be little more than a speed bump to China's massive, well trained, well armed ground forces.

I do not doubt the commitment and will to fight of the noble Vietnamese, and I'd gladly stand in arms with you, but to infer you would do anything more than be overrun and die quickly is a dream. Fortunately the international community will not allow such aggression from China.

That is wrong! Chinese military is no where near that of the American military power in the 1960's, 1970's during the American war with Vietnam and look at the results.

Chinese military is in fact stronger than Vietnamese military in terms of armament and mass number but if you would tell me how would the Chinese win a war in the East Sea where their closest military base is around 1000 miles away from the disputed islands group and those islands group is only around 200 miles away from Vietnamese mainland and air bases. 6 of those Kilo class attack submarines that the Vietnamese ordered from Russian 2 year ago as well as the followings

2685 tanks

1780 armos including 1100 BTR, BTR-40A, BRT-152, BTR-160, 80 YW-531, 100 BRDM, 300 BMP, 200 M113

Guns

- D-20 152mm, D-30 122mm, D-74 122mm

- M-46 130mm, M107 175mm, M114 155mm

- 2S3 152mm

- 700 BM-14/17/21

- Anti-tank missiles: AT-3 Sagger

Air defense misiles

A-72, SAM II, SAM III

Scud B, Scud C, Scud D, S-300PMU, Bastion–P

EXTRA SRBM from Isreal

Navy

2 Petya-III

5 BPS 500

4 Tarantul I

8 Osa-II

A number of torpedo Turya class

SO 1 Class patrol boats

Shershen

10 Yurka

3 figrate Petya III 159AE Class

..

..

Let me have it in Vietnamese

Xe Tanks: 2685 chiếc

-45 chiếc T-34

-850 chiếc T-54 và T-55

-150 chiếc T-72 (năm 2005 Việt Nam nhập từ Ba Lan)

-70 chiếc T-62

-350 chiếc Type-59-tương đương T-55

-300 chiếc PT-76

-320 chiếc Type 62/63

-300 chiếc T-72M1M tương đương với M1A2

-300 BMP-1

Xe bọc thép: 1780

-1100 BTR các loại BTR-40A, BRT-152, BTR-160

-80 YW-531

-100 BRDM

-300 BMP

-200 M113

Pháo: 2300 các loại

- D-20 152mm, D-30 122mm, D-74 122mm

- M-46 130mm, M107 175mm, M114 155mm

- 2S3 152mm

- 700 dàn hỏa tiễn BM-14/17/21

- Anti-tank missiles: AT-3 Sagger

Tên lửa đạn đạo, tên lửa chiến thuật

- Tên lửa phòng không: A-72, SAM II, SAM III

- Tên lửa chiến thuật: Scud B, Scud C, Scud D, S-300PMU, Bastion–P

- Tên lửa EXTRA loại SRBM của Do Thái

2 Tàu tuần tiễu lớp Petya-III

Độ giãn nước: 1,040 tấn

Kích thước: 81.8 x 9.2 x 2.72 mét

Sức đẩy: 3 trục; 1 cruise diesel, 6,000 bhp; 2 boost gas turbines, 30,000 shp; 29 hải lý/ giờ

Thủy thủ đoàn: 92

Radar: Fut-N/Strut Curve 2-D air search

Sonar: Titan hull mounted MF

EW: Bizan-4B suite with Watch Dog intercept

Vũ khí: 2 tháp pháo với súng 2 nòng 76.2mm, 3 ống phóng ngư lôi 15.8 inch, 4 giàn phóng rócket RBU-6000 ASW RL

Nguồn gốc: tàu tuần tiễu xuất khẩu của Nga, Việt Nam nhận năm 1978. Việt Nam hiện có 2 chiếc HQ-09, HQ-11.

5 Tàu hỏa tiễn cỡ nhỏ lớp BPS 500

Độ giãn nước: 517 tấn

Kích thước: 62 x 11 x 2.5 mét/203.4 x 36 x 8.2 feet

Sức đẩy: 2 động cơ diesel, 2 waterjets, 19,600 bhp, 32 hải lý/ giờ

Thủy thủ đoàn: 28

Radar: Positiv-E/Cross Dome air/surf search

EW: 2 PK-16 decoy

Vũ khí: 8 hỏa tiễn Kh-35 Uran SSM, 1 đại bác 76.2mm, 1 súng phòng không 30 mm, 2 súng 12.7 mm MG

Nguồn gốc: Nga thiết kế, được đóng tại Việt Nam

4 Tàu hỏa tiễn lớp Tarantul I

Độ giãn nước: 455 tấn full load

Kích thước: 56.1 x 10.2 x 2.14 mét

Sức đẩy: 2 trục; 2 động cơ gas turbines, 8,000 shp; 2 động cơ đẩy gas turbines, 24,000 shp; 32,000 shp, 43 hải lý/ giờ

Thủy thủ đoàn: 39

Fire Control: Garpun-E/Plank Shave missile control

EW: 2 PK-16 decoy RL

Vũ khí: 4 hỏa tiễn SS-N-2C Styx SSM, 1 súng 76.2mm/59cal DP, 1 SA-N-8 SAM, 2 súng 30AA

Nguồn gốc: Nga

Nơi sản xuất: Volodarskiy SY, Rybinsk, Nga.

8 Tàu tên lửa lớp Osa-II

Độ giãn nước: 226 tấn

Kích thước: 38.6 x 7.6 x 2 mét

Sức đẩy: 3 động cơ diesel, 3 trục, 15,000 bhp, 35 hải lý/ giờ

Thủy thủ đoàn: 28

Vũ khí: 4 hỏa tiễn SS-N-2B Styx SSM, 2 dual 30 mm

Nguồn gốc: Liên xô sản xuất, 8 chiếc được giao trong năm 1979-81.

Tàu phóng lôi lớp Turya

Độ giãn nước: 250 tấn

Kích thước: 39.6 x 7.6 x 2 mét

Kích thước: 39.6 x 9.6 x 4 mét

Sức đẩy: 3 động cơ diesel, 3 trục, 15,000 bhp, 37 hải lý/ giờ

Thủy thủ đoàn: 26

Sonar: Rat Tail dipping

Vũ khí: 1 tháp pháo gắn súng 2 nòng 57mm/70cal AA, 1 súng 2 nòng 25 mm, 4 ống phóng ngư lôi 21 inch

Nguồn gốc: Liên Xô sản xuất giao năm 1984.

Nơi sản xuất: Vladivostokskiy Sudostroitel’niy Zavod, Vladivostok, Nga.

SO 1 class patrol boats

Độ giãn nước: 213 tấn

Kích thước: 41.9 x 6.1 x 1.8 mét

Sức đẩy: 3 động cơ diesel, 3 trục, 6,000 bhp, 28 hải lý/ giờ

Thủy thủ đoàn: 33

Vũ khí: 2 súng 2 nòng 25 mm, 4 hỏa tiễn RBU-1200 ASW RL, 18 mìn

Tàu phóng lôi lớp Shershen

Độ giãn nước: 161 tấn

Kích thước: 34.60 x 6.74 x 1.72 mét

Sức đẩy: 3 động cơ diesel, 3 trục, 12,000 bhp, 42 hải lý/ giờ

Thủy thủ đoàn: 22

Vũ khí: 2 dual 30 mm, 4 21 inch torpedo tubes, mines

Nguồn gốc: Liên Xô sản xuất giao năm 1979-1983.

10 Tàu quét mìn lớp Yurka

Độ giãn nước: 560 tấn full load

Kích thước: 52.1 x 9.6 x 2.65 mét/171 x 31.5 x 8.7 feet

Sức đẩy: 2 động cơ diesel, 2 trục, 5,000 bhp, 16 hải lý/ giờ

Thủy thủ đoàn: 46

Sonar: MG-69 Lan’ mine avoidance

Vũ khí: 2 dual 30 mm, 10 mines

Nguồn gốc: Ex-Soviet steel-hulled minesweepers.

Nơi sản xuất: Vladivostokskiy Sudostroitel’niy Zavod, Vladivostok, Russia.

Khu trục hạm Phạm Ngũ Lão

Độ giãn nước: approx. 2,800 tấn full load 2800 tấn

Kích thước: 94.7 x 12.5 x 4.1 mét

Sức đẩy: 4 động cơ diesel, 2 trục, 6000 bhp, 18 hải lý/ giờ nominal

Thủy thủ đoàn: 200

Vũ khí: 3 37 mm, 2 dual 25 mm, 2 SA-N-5 SAM, 2 cối 81 mm

Nguồn gốc: Đây là khu trục hạm chiến lợi phẩm thu được của hải quân đội VNCH, ban đầu thuộc lực lượng tuần duyên Hoa kỳ sau đó chuyển giao do hải quân Nam Việt Nam. Vũ khí trên tàu đã được thay thế bằng vũ khí của Liên Xô

Nơi sản xuất: Lake Washington SY, Houghton, WA.

Tàu hộ tống (frigate -frégate).

-2 tàu hộ tống săn ngầm lớp Petya III (159AE) của Liên xô cũ chế tạo. Loại này trang bị 2 cặp pháo (tổng cộng 4 pháo) 76,2 mm AK- 276, một ống phóng ngư lôi 402 mm ASW TT, hai hệ thống hoả liễn bắn loạt chống ngầm RBU 6000 ASW RL, hệ thống Sonar Titan MF (dùng để dò tàu ngầm)

- 3 tàu hộ tống Petya II

(159 A), với 4 pháo 76.2 mm 1K 276 (Trong biên chế có tên là HQ- 09 (với 4 pháo phòng không 37mm) , HQ 11 (với 2 pháo phòng không 23mm ZSU 23 -2 AA), 3 sống phóng ngư lôi cỡ 533mm ASW TT, 4 hệ thống hoả tiễn diệt ngầm (16 ống cho mỗi hệ thống) ASW RL, 2 ông thả mìn, hệ thống Sonar Titan MF.

5 tàu hộ tống săn ngầm Petya

Do Liên xô cũ chế tạo, và chuyển giao cho Hải quân Việt nam trong những năm 1980 nên đã lạc hậu và xuống cấp, hiện hoạt động cầm chừng. Vừa qua bộ trưởng quốc phòng Ấn độ sang thăm Việt nam và thông báo đã chuyển giao cho Việt nam 5000 linh kiện để nâng cấp loại tàu này, vì Ấn độ hiện dùng trong biên chế khoảng 10 tàu loại này. Với sự trợ giúp của Ấn độ, đám tàu này sẽ được nâng cấp và tăng cường khả năng chiến đấu.

Tải trọng: 950 tấn.

Tải trọng đầy tải: 1150 tấn

Tốc độ tối đa: 30 hải lý/h ( 54km/h)

Dài 81.9m, rộng 9.2 m, cao 2.8m

Lực đẩy 1 động cơ diesel 6000bhp và 2 turbine ga 30.000 shp ( 3 chân vịt)

Thuỷ thủ đoàn 90 người

4 tàu hộ tống tối tân lớp Gepard

Việt Nam đã đặt mua 4 tàu hộ tống tên lửa lớp Gepard 3.9 Project 11660 KBO-200 do Nga sản xuất. 2 chiếc đã được bàn giao cho Hải quân Việt nam năm 2009 và 2010 và 2 chiếc còn lại sẽ đóng tại Việt Nam.

Tải trọng 2100 tấn, dài 102.2 m, rộng 13.1m, choán nước 5.3m. Tốc độ tối đa 28 hải lý/h.Hợp đồng đóng tàu đã được kí với công ty Rosoboronexport (Nga) vào ngày 22/12/2006 tại Hà Nội. Theo hợp đồng, việc trao trả chiếc tàu chiến thứ nhất sẽ được thực hiện sau 31 tháng, chiếc thứ hai – sau 37 tháng kể từ ngày hợp đồng có hiệu lực. Tuy nhiên giá trị hợp đồng vẫn chưa được tiết lộ.

Tàu chiến thuộc dự án Gepard 3.9 dùng để thực hiện các nhiệm vụ như tìm kiếm, theo dõi và tiêu diệt những mục tiêu trên mặt nước, dưới mặt nước và trên không; hộ tống và thực hiện việc canh gác tuần phòng cũng như bảo vệ vùng kinh tế thuộc ranh giới hải phận quốc gia. Tàu trang bị 8 hỏa tiễn Uran, 4 ống phóng thủy lôi, 1 hệ thống hỏa tiễn phòng không Osa-MA, 1 đại bác 76 ly, hai đại bác 30 ly, ngoài ra còn trang bị một trực thăng và một hệ thống chống tàu ngầm RBU-6000.Lượng choán nước của tàu là gần 2,1 nghìn tấn, tầm bơi xa – gần 5 nghìn hải lý.

Tàu tuần tra

-2 tàu tuần tra lớp BPS 500/Project 12418

Nga thiết kế và đóng tại Ba Son, trang bị 8 tên lửa diệt hạm Kh-35 Uran SSM (Tầm bắn 130km, tốc độ 0.9 Max), 1 pháo bắn nhanh76.2mm AK-17, 1pháo 30mm AK-630 Gatling CIWS, 2 súng 12.7 hoặc 14.5mm MG, 16 tên lửa phòng không tầm ngắn.

- 4 tàu Project 1241E Tarantul I

trang bị tên lửa 4 P-202 Rubezh (SS-N-2c) SSM (tầm bắn 80km), 1 pháo bắn nhanh 76.2mm AK-176, 4 ống phóng tên lửa phòng không tầm ngắn Strela-1 SR-SAM, 2 pháo bắn nhanh chống tên lửa diệt hạm AK-630 Gatling CIWS. (Trên thực tế HQVN có nhiều hơn 4 tàu loại này, ít nhất là 8 con, chủ yếu đậu ở cảng Tiên Sa, Đà nẵng, mang số hiệu HQ 371 đến HQ 374) đưa vào sử dụng vào các năm 1996, 1996, 1999, 1999.

- 8 tàu Osa-II (Project 205ME) PTG

trang bị 4 tên lửa diệt hạm đời cũ P-15MPP-20 Rubezh SSM, 2 pháo 30mm AK-230 AA .(đưa vào biên chế từ 1979-1981)

Đây là thế hệ tàu tên lửa đời cũ của Liên xô chế tạo. Khả năng tác chiến hạn chế (Tầm bắn ngắn và tốc độ dưới âm thanh, hệ điều khiển đã cũ) Tuy vậy một khi tàu địch đã bị thương (do các tàu khác hiện đại hơn diệt, hay do máy bay diệt) thì xông vào bắn bồi cũng ngon. Hoặc diệt tàu vận tải của địch thì cũng tốt chán.

12 Tàu lớp Molnya:

Vietnam ký với Nga hợp đồng mua 12 chiếc, đã giao hàng 2 chiếc năm nay, những chiếc còn lại sẽ được đóng tại Việt Nam theo thiết kế của Nga.

-Tàu tên lửa Môn-ni-y-a được phát triển theo dự án số 12421 của Nga, bao gồm: Tàu chiến đấu, tàu bổ trợ và tàu tuần tra tại các vùng cửa biển, ven bờ. Tàu tên lửa Môn-ni-y-a trang bị đầy đủ các thiết bị trinh sát và truyền tin, các hệ thống ra-đa trinh sát và kiểm soát bắn. Ra-đa có tầm bao quát toàn bộ vùng tác chiến trong tầm bắn của tên lửa, bám tín hiệu 15 mục tiêu và khoá tới 6 mục tiêu trong môi trường tác chiến điện tử. Hệ thống ra-đa kiểm soát bắn của pháo và tên lửa trên tàu có khả năng phát hiện các mục tiêu trên không, trên biển, tự động dò tìm các tín hiệu đặc trưng của mục tiêu và sử dụng hệ thống dữ liệu bắn trên máy tính.

* Vũ khí chính trang bị trên tàu Môn-ni-y-a gồm:

Trang bị hệ thống tên lửa chống tàu với giàn phóng tên lửa U-ran phóng tên lửa hành trình Kh-35 sắp xếp thành hai hàng, mỗi hàng 8 ống phóng (16 tên lửa). Tên lửa hành trình Kh-35 dẫn bằng ra-đa chủ động giai đoạn cuối. Trên hành trình bay, tên lửa bay cách mặt nước 15 mét, ở giai đoạn cuối chúng hạ thấp độ cao và tiêu diệt mục tiêu chỉ ở độ cao từ 3 mét đến 5 mét. Tên lửa Kh-35 có cự ly tác chiến 130km, tốc độ tối đa khoảng 300 m/s, đầu nổ HE nặng 145 kg

-Hoặc tên lửa hành trình chống tàu Moskit _ SS-N-22 với 2 giàn phóng (2 tên lửa/giàn), tầm xa 90 – 120 km, tốc độ siêu âm _ Moskit: Tầm bắn tối đa 250km, tốc độ mach 3, trần bay cách mặt nước biển 20m, đầu nổ 320 kg

-12 tên lửa phòng không Igla-1M;

-1 pháo tàu 76mm AK-176M ( Cơ số 316 viên đạn pháo ), tầm xa 15 km

-2 pháo phòng không 30mm AK-630M.

Hệ thống ra-đa trên tàu có: Ra-đa trinh sát băng HF, UHF, ra-đa nhận biết mục tiêu không-biển, ra-đa điều khiển, kiểm soát bắn cho tên lửa. 2 hệ thống phóng mồi bẫy và mồi bẫy nhiệt PK-10 cỡ 120 mm hoặc PK – 16 dùng để chống ra-đa và hệ thống trinh sát quang học của các hệ thống vũ khí của đối phương. Đạn mồi bẫy PK-16 cỡ 82mm, tầm hoạt động từ 200 mét đến 1800 mét..

Tàu tên lửa Môn-ni-y-a có lượng giãn nước 550 tấn, trang bị máy chính 2 trục, động cơ tua-bin khí 32.000 sức ngựa, 3 động cơ đi-ê-den, công suất 500kW mỗi động cơ. Tàu có tầm hoạt động 2400 hải lý, hoạt động liên tục trong thời gian 10 ngày. Toàn bộ thuỷ thủ đoàn trên tàu 44 người. Tàu còn trang bị các thiết bị điều hoà không khí, hệ thống thông gió tiên tiến nhất, bảo đảm cho tàu hoạt động trong mọi điều kiện thời tiết.

- 4 tàu phóng lôi lớp Shershan

(Project 206) PTF với 2pháo 30mm AK-230, 4 ống ngư lôi cỡ533mm TT

-4 tàu pháo cao tốc Svetlyak (Project 1041.2) PC trang bị 1 pháo 76.2mm AK-176M, 4 hệ thống (gồm 16 tên lửa phòng không) Ingal-M SR-SAM, 1 súng pháo bắn nhanh AK-630 AA, 1 hệ thống phóng lựu liên thanh AGS-17 grenade. ( Theo website của Nga :Годы постройки2002, 2002, 2006, 2007, năm mua và đưa vào sử dụng)

2 tàu Svetlyak

Được mua và đưa vào trang bị cho lữ đoàn 172 Hải quân từ năm 2001. Ngoài ra Viêtnam có ý định đóng 10 con nữa theo thiết kế của Nga. Không biết đã đóng xong chưa.

Tàu quét mìn

-2 tàu lớp Yurka (Project 266) class MSF

-4 tàu lớp Sonya (Project 1265E) class MSC

-2 tàu lớp Yevgenya (Project 1258) class MSI

Tàu chuyển quân

-3 tàu vận tải lớp LST-1/542 class LST.

-2 tàu lớp Polnocny-B class LSM

-Một số tàu LCU-1466 class

-10 đến12 tàu lớp T-4 (Project 1785) class LCM

Tàu vận tải

-1 tàu HQ-966 class AK do Việt Nam chế tạo

-2 tàu BD-621 class AK (BD - Biển Đông)

-1 Sorum (Project 745) ATA

-1 Voda (MTV-6/Project 561) AWT

-2 Nyrat-2 (Project 376U) diving tenders (YDT)

-2 floating drydocks (YFDL)

-2 PO-2 (Project 376) YFL

-2 tàu chuyển tăng thiết giáp của Mỹ.

Các tàu thuộc nhiều loại khác nhau.

Tàu ngầm

-2 Yugo của Triều Tiên (midget submarines)

-6 tàu ngậm Kilo-Class 636- Loại tấn công tàu chiến trên mặt và chống lại các tàu ngầm khác, mua của Nga cuối năm 2009.

Máy bay tiêm kích

-30 chiếc Su-30MK (4 chiếc đặt mua năm 2004 (MK), 6 chiếc đặt mua 2008 (MKK) + 8 chiếc đặt mua 1-2009 (MK2) + 12 chiếc đặt mua 2-2010 (MK2V) (Nga)

-40 chiếc Su-27 bao gồm 36 loại SK và 4 loại UBK (Nga)

-250 MiG-21 (Liên Xô)

-150 Su-22 (1 chiếc bị rơi tại Thanh Hóa ngày 9/6/2009) (Liên Xô)

Máy bay huấn luyện

-22 MiG-21 phản lực (Liên Xô)

-34 L-39C phản lực (Tiệp Khắc)

-36 YaK-52 cánh quạt (Liên Xô)

Máy bay vận tải

-3 chiếc C130B (của Mỹ để lại)

-4 chiếc C130E (của Mỹ để lại)

-20 An-26 (Liên Xô)

-15 An-2 (Liên Xô)

Máy bay tuần tra biển

-6 chiếc DHC-6 (Canada 2012-2014)

Máy bay trinh sát

-8 chiếc CASA C.212-400 (Tây Ban Nha)

Trực thăng chiến đấu

-36 chiếc Mil Mi-24A/D (Liên Xô)

Trực thăng vận tải

-66 chiếc Mil Mi-8 (Liên Xô)

-27 chiếc Mil Mi-17Sh (Liên Xô)

-18 chiếc Mil Mi-172 (Liên Xô)

-15 chiếc Mi-6 (Liên Xô)

-4 chiếc PZL W-3S (Ba Lan)

-4 chiếc PZL W-3RM (Ba Lan)

Trực thăng cứu hộ

-5 chiếc Ka-32 (Liên Xô)

Trực thăng chống ngầm

-6 chiếc Ka-25 (Liên Xô)

-19 chiếc Ka-27 (Liên Xô)

-5 chiếc SA-365 N2 (Pháp)

Các loại trực thăng khác

-5 chiếc AS-350 B3 (Pháp)

-9 chiếc SA-330J (Pháp)

-7 chiếc AS-332L2 (Pháp)

-15 chiếc UH-1H (Trên 2 ngàn chiếc UH-1 các loại của Mỹ để lại đã không sài được nhưng tháng 9, 2010 bộ quốc phòng Mỹ tuyên bố sẻ giúp Việt Nam nâng cấp lại)

Pháo: 2300 các loại

- 37mm, 57mm, 85mm, 100mm

- D-20 152mm, D-30 122mm, D-74 122mm

- M-46 130mm, M107 175mm, M114 155mm

- 2S3 152mm

- 700 dàn hỏa tiễn BM-14/17/21

- Anti-tank missiles: AT-3 Sagger

Tên lửa phồng không, chiến thuật

- Tên lửa phòng không: A-72, SAM II, SAM III

- Tên lửa chiến thuật: Scud B, Scud C, Scud D, S-300PMU, Bastion–P

- Tên lửa EXTRA loại SRBM của Do Thái

Rada cảnh bị

- khoảng 1000 bộ

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