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I received my conditional PR in March 2012, and I am ready to submit my I 751 now.

I was not aware that we need to submit AR-11 when we move!!

We have moved twice since then:

1. We first moved in June 2012 (we stayed with my in laws for 2 weeks and then moved to our own apartment)
   
2. We then moved again in September in 2013
   

Since I was not aware about AR-11, I have not submitted it even once.

What do you guys suggest I do?

1. Should I submit 2 AR-11 forms for the two moves or only for the last moves?
   
2. When submitting AR 11, for the previous address should I put the old address that we had during the AOS (or our most recent old address?)
   
3. Do I also need to submit I-865 for my spouse (She sponsored my Conditional PR)
   

This may sound very irresponsible and silly, but I had no clue guys!

PLEASE HELP!!

We ran into the same issue. Since the AOS, we had moved 2 times. When we filed for the I-751, we realized that we should have submitted an AR-11 for each move. We ended up submitted an address change right before mailing the I-751 packet and we only submitted one for our last move. It didn't come up as an issue for us. I would just submit an AR-11 for your last move.

Thanks. I will submit AR-11 online. In the "previous address" should I include the address that I just moved from, or should I include my old address (which was mentioned during AOS) and which the USCIS has last information about?

Should I include some kind of acknowledgement for the AR-11 with my I 751?

Do I also need to submit I-865 for my spouse?

She had sponsored my Conditional PR.

I was not aware that we need to submit AR-11 when we move!!

I received my conditional PR in March 2012, and I am ready to submit my I 751 now.

We have moved twice since then:

1. We first moved in June 2012 (we stayed with my in laws for 2 weeks and then moved to our own apartment)
2. We then moved again in September in 2013

Since I was not aware about AR-11, I have not submitted it even once.

What do you guys suggest I do?

Should I submit 2 AR-11 forms for the two moves or only for the last moves?

Should I submit AR-11 first and then submit I 751?

This may sound very irresponsible and silly, but I had no clue guys!

PLEASE HELP!!

This is the first time I am reading about AR 11, and have not submitted it. (We moved twice since AOS). Is that going ro be a problem?

Guys, thatks for all your responses. As soon as I feel I am coming close to getting enough evidence, another queation pops up, and makes me feel I am getting no where.

I thought ROC should be easy, after I had spent 3 months on AOS!!!

I am currently working on gathering evidence for my I 751 and Removing conditions.

This may be a silly question, but should our address from all the documents match?

We recently moved to a new apartment in Oct 13.

Our utilities (internet and electeric) from Oct 2013 to Jan 2014 have our new address, however our joint savings bank account statements still have our previous address (even though I believed I updated my address with the bank, they never did on this joint saving account)

Our driving lisences also have our previous address listed.

The result is that the address on the utilities (new address) does not match with the address on our joint savings bank account statement and driving licenses (previous address).

In this case, would you suggest only providing evidence with the new address (for the last 3 months), or we should provide the evidence and clarify the different addresses in the cover letter? Do they even read the cover letter carefully?

I do not want to trigger a RFE for having confused them with different address. Please help.

Guys, thatks for all your responses. As soon as I feel I am coming close to getting enough evidence, another queation pops up, and makes me feel I am getting no where.

I thought ROC should be easy, after I had spent 3 months on AOS!!!

This may be a silly question, but should our address from all the documents match?

We recently moved to a new apartment in Oct 13.

Our utilities (internet and electeric) from Oct 13 to Jan 14 have our new address, however our joint savings bank account statements still have our previous address (even though I believed I updated my address with the bank, they never did on this joint saving account)

Our driving lisences also have our previous address listed.

The result is that the address on the utilities (new address) does not match with the address on our joint savings bank account statement and driving licenses.

In this case, would you suggest only providing evidence with the new address (for the last 3 months), or as Teddy B suggested, we should provide the evidence and clarify the difference in the cover letter? Do they even read the cover letter carefully?

I do not want to trigger a RFE for having confused them with different address.

Thanks both of you for your reply. Please advise if my understanding is correct on the following:

1. We do not staple any papers, just arrange them in order and if necessary use paper clips to organize them
2. We sign and date the forms in black ink
3. We do not need to send any passport sized photos
4. A single check of $590 ($505 + $85) should work
5. Since I live in Illinois (Chicago area), I send out my package to the California center
6. Do we use fedex, ups or usps? What special tracking method or insurance when we send out packages? (Honestly I do not care about the cost of sending out the package, especially after spending months working on evidence, I just want the best and safest method)

I currently have a conditional residency and am planning to apply for removing conditions (i 751)

I came to US on a F1 visa and got the PR card by marriage to my wife who is a naturalized US citizen.

I am attaching the following evidence:

1. Birth certificate of our newly born baby
   
2. Tax account transcript from IRS website for last 2 years with both our names as joint filing
   
3. Apartment lease with both our names
   
4. Utility bills with wife's name on electric bill and my name on the internet bill at the current address
   
5. Health insurance card with both our names
   
6. Auto Insurance with both our name
   

From comments and suggestions on this forum, I get a sense that what most of you recommend providing as much evidence as possible to make a strong case and not leave any scope for them requesting RFE.

So I am going to try my best to get as much evidence as possible.

I have the following questions:

1. I have not requested any affidavits so far. Are they a must?
   
2. I am also going to attach pictures of the both of us taken at family get togethers, of us eating out, at home etc. I am guessing 1-2 pictures from each occasion, so how many pictures should I include in total?
   
3. For out joint bank savings account, should I include multiple statements spanning last 1 year, say Jan 13-July 13-Jan 14?
   
4. I recently changed my employer, so also changed my health insurance. So should I also include our insurance ID from our previous health insurance?
   
5. Because I have always used paperless billing, I do not have bills older than last 2-3 months for utilities. Would bills for last 3 months be ok?
   

If this process so frustrating for everyone, or is it just me??

Thank you guys for your advice and support!

From all your comments and suggestions, I get a sense that what most of you recommend providing as much evidence as possible to make a strong case and not leave any scope for them requesting RFE.

So I am going to try my best to get as much evidence as possible.

I have the following questions:

1. I have not requested any affidavits so far. Are they a must?
2. I am also going to attach pictures of the both of us taken at family get togethers, of us eating out, at home etc. I am guessing 1-2 pictures from each occasion, so how many pictures should I include in total?
3. For out joint bank savings account, should I include multiple statements spanning last 1 year, say Jan 13-July 13-Jan 14?
4. I recently changed my employer, so also changed my health insurance. So should I also include our insurance ID from our previous health insurance?
5. Because I have always used paperless billing, I do not have bills older than last 2-3 months for utilities. Would bills for last 3 months be ok?

I completely agree with you merc0230.

I thought having a baby together and providing a birth certificate would be a very strong evidence!

My question was, if the following documents seem to suffice, I will not include our driver's licenses and bank statement:

1. Apartment lease with both our names
2. Utility bills with wife's name on electric bill and my name on the internet bill at the current address
3. Health insurance card with both our names
4. Auto Insurance with voth our names
5. Tax account transcript from IRS website for last 2 years with both our names as joint filing
6. Birth certificate of our newly born baby

If the driver's license is not so important, I would skip it rather that including it and writing an explanation. This paperwork and documentation is already so frustrating, I would keep it as simple as possible.

Also the address on our joint bank account statement is our previous address.

We recently relocated and the address on our Driver's License is not the same as our current address, it is our old address.

Would I need to renew our Driver's License to show the current address? Or could I do without submitting this?

Also on the latest monthly bank statament for our joint savings account, the address is our old address.

If I submit these documents, will these cause more harm than benifit?

I do have the following supporting documents:

1. Apartment lease with both our names
2. Utility bills with wife's name on electric bill and my name on the internet bill at the current address
3. Health insurance card with both our names
4. Auto Insurance with voth our names
5. Tax account transcript from IRS website for last 2 years with both our names as joint filing
6. Birth certificate of our newly born baby

Would these supporting documents suffice or would I need more?

Thanks you guys for all the good advise.

Hypnos, you mean driving license and passports of the both of us?

Hope copies of the old documents we submitted with the I 485 like marriage certificate are not required?

Also, do I need to submit copies of myself and my wife's driver's license, passports or my wife's naturalization certificate with i 751?

I currently have a conditional residency and am planning to apply for removing conditions (i 751)

I came to US on a F1 visa and got the PR card by marriage to my wife who is a naturalized US citizen.

I was using my Alien number (A#) from my previous paperwork as a student on my i 485 application.

However on my PR card I have a new A# (listed as USCIS #)

Is this how it is supposed to be? What A# should I use on my I 751 form?

Thanks for your help in advance.

US Passport & PIO Card. No travel restrictions for PIO/OCI holders. But PIO holder would require to register with Bureau of Immigration, India if stays goes more than 180 days.

Thank you very much.

Hi All,

My spouse has a US citizenship by Naturalization and a PIO card.

She will be traveling to India in February 2013 for 2 weeks and the again in May 2013 for 4 weeks.

I wanted to know if there are any restrictions for travel to India on PIO card, either on duration of stay or for frequency of travel?

Also, what documents should she carry with ber during travel? ( in addition to US passport and PIO card?)

Thanks for your help in advance!

Do I need to provide separate Money Orders for PIO application, renouncing the old passport and shipping, or I can provide one Money Order for the total fees?

Do I need to notarize the copies of the documents?

Hello All,

I am applying for PIO for my wife at Chicago Travisa; who became a US citizen in May 2011. (She was an Indian citizen from her birth in 1984 till May 2011). I am still Indian citizen with US green card. I need help with questions below:

1. I am applying for PIO and Renunciation of Indian passport.

Do I need to supply separate Money Orders for both the services or should I get just one Money Order with the total amount?

2. I am submitting copies of the following documents: Copy if US passport of applicant ; passport of Indian passport of the applicant; copy of driver's license of applicant and copy of Indian passport of spouse of applicant.

(I am also submitting original US passport of applicant, original latest Indian passport of applicant for renunciation)

Do I need notarized copies of any of the documents or just regular copies are fine?

3. I will be using Fedex for sending my application packet and documents to Travisa, Chicago.

Do I need insurance on the package or tracking or any other special requirement?

Thank you in advance!

Silly question: When I fill out the PIO application form, should it be in ALL CAPS?

Or any specific part needs to be in CAPS?

Hello All, thanks for your suggestions.

I was planning to go for OCI but I need to travel to India in Feb 2013 and I have to get my tickets next month.

I have read that process time for OCI is 3-6 months. So I do not have enough time for OCI.

If I get the PIO now and they apply for OCI when we come back from India, will it work out?

Are there any advantages / disadvantages going this route?

The infamous d/o designation! Took me like a year to figure it out - some areas use this as shorthand for "daughter of". Some passports, some birth certificates, some school records list it as a built-in legal family designation tool. Also used are "w/o" or "s/o" meaning "wife of" or "son of". Typically, I've seen this out of smaller areas and not the metros. But, it happens and strangely is recognized as legally defining. [My american-bias says - ummm, how is that not potentially bogus and easy to fake...but, again, in some areas this is the notation used to establish legal family bonds].

Her Indian passport is the ace in the hole about proving she can get the OCI [really - go with the OCI, it's the better deal]. Make sure you include a cover letter describing in detail what you are providing and why.

Thanks for the clarification catknit. Can you also shed some light on the issues mentioned below?

1. I do not have her Birth Certificate or any documents with d/o or w/o references.

The list of documents mentions Birth Certificate.

Will her US passport (and/or Indian passport that I am going to surrender with the PIO application) work in place of Birth Certificate?

2. She had a valid Indian passport when she got the US citizenship through naturalization in May 2011. There is another old passport which was "cancelled" when she got her latest Indian passport. Should I submit both her passports or just the latest one?)

Questions 1 and 2 - yes to both.

Questions 3 and 4 - reference back to both her passport and birth certificate [should have D/O references that further establish her former citizenship].

Question 5 - yes, your inlaws are fine for that list but I can honestly say literally anyone you know will work on that list from what I've seen with friends/family getting PIOs.

Here's the fun part to know/research:

#1 Did you send in the Indian Renunciation certificate [and fee] or are you doing that with the PIO paperwork?

#2 Is there some special reason you are going for PIO and not OCI? OCI given the limited information provided would make more sense, it provides slightly more benefit [no 15 year renewal needed if memory serves]and she is eligible being a former citizen.

Thanks you very much catknit.

In reference to your answer above, I had two more questions.

1. What are D/O references?

2. I do not have her Birth Certificate. Will her US passport (or Indian passport that I am going to surrender with the PIO application) be good enough to prove her Date of Birth and Nationality both?

To answer your second question, we will surrender her Indian passport with the PIO application.

(She had a passport that was valid when she got the US citizenship through naturalization in May 2011. There is another old passport which is not invalid as it has an invalid stamp and has expired. should I submit both her passports or just the latest one?)

We are thinking of travelling in 3-4 months and need it urgently. I have to get tickets soon within 2-4 weeks. So the OCI will not work out.

Once again thanks catknit.

Let me know if you have any other suggestions.

Hello.

I am applying for PIO for my wife at Chicago Travisa; who became a US citizen in May 2011. (She was an Indian citizen from her birth in 1984 till May 2011). I am still Indian citizen with US green card. I need help with questions below:

1. Question # 14 (Permanent address in India) verifiable: Can I provide my address in India? Will my Indian passport which has my address listed be a valid document for them to verify?

2. Question # 25, Proof of residence etc.: Again, can I provide my address in India? Will my Indian passport which has my address listed be a valid document for them to verify?

3. Question # 23(a) Whether the applicant or his/her parents or grandparents or great grandparents held an Indian passport at any

time, if so details thereof: (enclose photocopy of relevant documents): The applicant (my wife) held Indian passport from her birth (1984) till May 2011 (US citizen by naturalization), do I still need to include details of parents and grand parents?

4. Question # 24(a) Whether the applicant or his/her parents or grandparents or great grandparents was born and was permanently resident in India as defined in the Government of India Act, 1935 * at any time {please see instruction (1) }. If so, following details may be indicated: : the applicant (my wife) was born in India, do I still need to include details of parents and grand parents's birth?

5. Question # 28(a) and 28(b): Name and complete address of person (1) and (2) known to applicant living in India or USA with telephone number: : Can I provide address and telephone number of both my In-Laws living in the Chicagoland area?

Thanks in advance for your help.