chiquita

Khadiah said:

I am sure everything said here are all true BUT you must know it is traditional to have a Moroccan wedding with the family as a celebration. It is a way to prove you are married with family and friends at Morocco. My husband and I married at Morocco, we are both very simple muslim people BUT we still had a simple traditional wedding with family and friends of family to acknowledge our marriage to many people. I am sure this is what the CO had in mind because they know it is traditional at Morocco. Even if we are simple people it should have been preformed this way to make all family and friends know the marriage was accomplished. You should have photos for proofs as well.

I spent a lot of time in Morocco before I married a Moroccan, and I know LOTS of couples who didn't have a "traditional wedding". Hecks, lots of people all over the world don't have "traditional weddings". I'm Muslim too, and I know lots of Muslims who have very simple nikahs. In fact, there are ahadith that tell us this is proper to do because to do otherwise is a waste of money that one could use to give alms.

We had a small family reception, and like someone mentioned before, we married just before I left. We registered at the adoul in Sale at 7pm and I was on a plane alone in Casa the next morning to leave at 9:30 am! We barely had time to sleep, much less to throw a fete! The rush was because the judge was trying to find any excuse to mot allow us to marry in the first place and we were down to the wire by the time our newly-hired attorney was able to convince him that if the US Embassy had validated my divorce ( a requirement), then why wouldn't he accept their word, if not my divorce decree. We did have a honeymoon in May this year.

Chi, this is my thinking remember Mary and Atif, and she went to the congressman's office. She got results.

That's what I recommend. It does get attention!

I have more to say re this issue, including how the Prophet Muhammad (pbuh) married a woman in her forties when he was 25 and remained with her for a quarter century until her death, so we are no means a precedent. But time is short. Insha'allah, I'll be back this evening.

Salaam

Thanks for your imput. I am sure it is a stall tactic. Nonetheless they need help asap!! She notified her reps the day of the interview and is hoping to hear back from them today.

chi

This is just awful!!!!! Is the petition still in Casablanca and if so, may-be this lady can go sit in her cngressman's office while he talks with the consulate about what happened here. At least they can not

use that lame excuse of what she does or does not believe. She or the consulate general will have to give facts they have based this second denial on. The congressman can at least punch holes in all these unclear

denials. To know what was written is so important but of the laws governing all these mess!!!!!!!!!!

Karen H

This is just awful!!!!! Is the petition still in Casablanca and if so, may-be this lady can go sit in her cngressman's office while he talks with the consulate about what happened here. At least they can not

use that lame excuse of what she does or does not believe. She or the consulate general will have to give facts they have based this second denial on. The congressman can at least punch holes in all these unclear

denials. To know what was written is so important but of the laws governing all these mess!!!!!!!!!!

Karen H

I honestly don't think the CO has any rules or laws to follow. They are like an island unto themselves.

Her senator is checking into the most recent situation Karen and I am hoping there is a mistake. I just need to research the policy for I-130's. I want to giver her the info to fight this.

Does anyone have the number to the embassy in Rabat? Maybe if she called ther it will help.

chi

This is really pissing me off! Okay, so tell me. Was the I-130 or the I-129F re-affirmed? I don't think they can send it back to the CIS a second time, but if it was the other one I bet they can. Just another stupid loop hole.

The first denial was for the K3, this last one was for I-130 (CR-1 should be IR1 since they have been married over 2 years now).

The K3 is no good once denied and returned to America, then on the CIS deals only with the I-130 which was REAFFIRMED and sent back to DOS for action.

Her husband interviewed with the reaffrimed I-130.

She sent an e mail early this morning and got a response right back!! They wrote:

Dear Madam,

Thank you for your email inquiry. Your I-129f petition has been returned to the Department of Homeland Security's Bureau of Citizenship and Immigration Services (USCIS) for further review. Please contact the USCIS National Customer Service Center at 1-800-375-5283 (1-800-767-1833 for TTY calls) for additional information about your petition.

Now how stupid is that?????????? Her husband interviewed for the immigrant I-130 not the non-immigrant I-129!!! I told her to write back and let them know. I also told her to call them right away too.

OMGosh how much more can we all take???

I was hoping to get a few pointers on what to do to help her. I see I have much research to do today.

chi

Did they specifically indicate that the denial was because that she is older than he is? My husband, who is also in Morocco, was told by a friend that he was denied because his wife is much oder than he is. I'm also quite a bit older than my husband, so I was very concerned to hear of this. I called the embassy in Rabat and the USCIS to ask if that was a valid basis for denial. They said it is not and that there must be more to it.

Later, the couple involved was told that the denial was because they hadn't had a wedding. Well, we didn't have a wedding either, but this is my second marriage, and I didn't have a wedding the first time, as well. So, now we've got a big age gap and no wedding . . . bummer!

I suppose that they have to have something to go by for evidence, especially when the couple is living apart. But the process seems to allow for the interjection of stereotypes and personal prejudices. I know several interracial marriages that sailed thru immigration, so they don't seem to care about race. I know lots of them where the man was much older than the woman, so that seems to be ok. Who knows?

Anyway, enough rambling. Don't be surprised if they come back with some other excuse for the denial. In the meantime, your friend should contact their representatives in Congress. With all the haranging about immigration in the news, legislators are becoming very sensitive to legal applicants because they don't want to be viewed as hypocrites if they support amnesty for illegals or as two-faced if they don't.

Okay, to deny a visa because they didn't have a wedding party is just plain stupid. I didn't have one either. Why? It took so long to get the approval that we didn't get married until the Friday before I left at 2:00. It was Ramadan and the whole thing was just plain difficult. We got married on a friday, left with his family to Marrakech on Satuday, which was already the plan, came back on Monday and flew home on tuesday. Even if we hadn't gone to Marrakech we couldn't have planned a wedding that fast.

One other point to make on this, I didn't have a wedding reception on my first wedding as well. We went to Vegas and got married. I had 4 kids with this man and was married for 15 years. Using their logic that marriage wasn't real as well. What does a party have to do with a real marriage????

I AGREE!!!

One can marry here in the states by a judge and have nothing more yet they are legally married. It is the custom here to have a huge expensive wedding too, but many do not. Are these couples any less married??

Idiots!

Did they specifically indicate that the denial was because that she is older than he is? My husband, who is also in Morocco, was told by a friend that he was denied because his wife is much oder than he is. I'm also quite a bit older than my husband, so I was very concerned to hear of this. I called the embassy in Rabat and the USCIS to ask if that was a valid basis for denial. They said it is not and that there must be more to it.

Later, the couple involved was told that the denial was because they hadn't had a wedding. Well, we didn't have a wedding either, but this is my second marriage, and I didn't have a wedding the first time, as well. So, now we've got a big age gap and no wedding . . . bummer!

I suppose that they have to have something to go by for evidence, especially when the couple is living apart. But the process seems to allow for the interjection of stereotypes and personal prejudices. I know several interracial marriages that sailed thru immigration, so they don't seem to care about race. I know lots of them where the man was much older than the woman, so that seems to be ok. Who knows?

Anyway, enough rambling. Don't be surprised if they come back with some other excuse for the denial. In the meantime, your friend should contact their representatives in Congress. With all the haranging about immigration in the news, legislators are becoming very sensitive to legal applicants because they don't want to be viewed as hypocrites if they support amnesty for illegals or as two-faced if they don't.

Like I just posted, the CO said she does not believe the husband loves the wife, he only wants a green card.

There are many many couples denied visas in Morocco when the women is older. I am one of them!!! So is my friend. There are quite a few of us. If you beleive what Rabat says, then please call them back and ask them why Casa denies most of these couples??? It started happening in 05. The reason given? "Denied due to the validity of the relationship".

Denial because of no wedding??? Where is the law that says one has to have a wedding for a valid relationship???

My husband had a 5 minute interview wherein the CO said "I need more info from America" making my husband think our file was not complete and he just needed to get some paperwork form the NVC. Liar. Our case has since been reaffirmed by CIS. My friend suffered the same fate and her case was reaffrimed as well.

We both had lots of proof of our relationships. The problem was the CO didn't want to see it. The CO just denied the visa and returned the case saying we did not establish a valid relationship.

So now we are at my friends second interview after proving to CIS that she and her husband have a real marriage and still they get the run around from Casa!!!!!!!

In Morocco the specific concern is fraud.

It is true that a large age gap is a red flag, but the CO must take into consideration all evidence that is put forth. In many cases, Casa is not doing that. They do have challenges to face considering they are a high fraud post, but they are not handling them in the proper way.

I understand that. But they must have proof of fraud. This case was deneid last year (K3) reaffirmed by CIS and sent back to DOS to take action on...ie issue visa and yet Casa once again says...we don't believe it!!!

The CO MUST??????? The CO does what they want!!! Not only does the CO have the first set of evidence form the couple they have the evidence sent in from CIS and more collected from the couple since then.

This now is regarding an immigrant case which just can't be sent back, it must be shown why they won't issue the visa.

Did they specifically indicate that the denial was because that she is older than he is? My husband, who is also in Morocco, was told by a friend that he was denied because his wife is much oder than he is. I'm also quite a bit older than my husband, so I was very concerned to hear of this. I called the embassy in Rabat and the USCIS to ask if that was a valid basis for denial. They said it is not and that there must be more to it.

Later, the couple involved was told that the denial was because they hadn't had a wedding. Well, we didn't have a wedding either, but this is my second marriage, and I didn't have a wedding the first time, as well. So, now we've got a big age gap and no wedding . . . bummer!

I suppose that they have to have something to go by for evidence, especially when the couple is living apart. But the process seems to allow for the interjection of stereotypes and personal prejudices. I know several interracial marriages that sailed thru immigration, so they don't seem to care about race. I know lots of them where the man was much older than the woman, so that seems to be ok. Who knows?

Anyway, enough rambling. Don't be surprised if they come back with some other excuse for the denial. In the meantime, your friend should contact their representatives in Congress. With all the haranging about immigration in the news, legislators are becoming very sensitive to legal applicants because they don't want to be viewed as hypocrites if they support amnesty for illegals or as two-faced if they don't.

It seems the key to get through this process as smoothly as possible is building an extremely strong case. It takes a lot of forethought, which sometimes is just not possible, but I think almost every couple has a "red flag" or 2. I think if you're able to anticipate those and provide enough support to show they are not issues, then they are no longer viewed as such. This case being discussed in this thread is heart breaking and I pray they can find a way through this.

You know, we had not planned on having a big wing-ding wedding. We are quiet simple people and just want the ceremony for what it is. But we are left feeling we must make a bigger deal out of it then we want to just have to the darn PROOF to present when needed. Love is a difficult thing to prove on paper... grrr.

I can't imgine having CIS reaffirm the case can be any stronger. They provided all the proof and still the CO says she doesn't believe he loves her. This is just her personal opinion, not a fact.

were the interviewed by the wicked wench ?

and was it the same person the first and second time?

and was it actually "denied" this time, or just given a 221(g) and sent back to the United States for intention to revoke?

No, the women are new since we were denied last year. The first time it was Nick Snyger, older guy.

I just spoke with my friend, the CO asked about 50 questions and then said she did not believe that he married her because he loved her. The CO said she believes he married her to get a green card!!!!!!!!!!

CO wanted to know why his wife's family never came to visit Morocco!!

Husband asked what do you need from us, we will try to get it.

CO said she had enough proof of the relationship, she just doesn't believe it.

Co gave a 221g letter with nothing marked on it. No Ap, no further review, nothing.

My advice to friend:

Send e mail to Casa asking what does the letter mean.

Call Casa tomorrow and ask what does the 221g letter mean.

Follow up with representatives, which she did.

Any other suggestions?

The country is Morocco and there is about a 10 year or maybe more age difference.

My friends' husband was once again denied a visa!!!!!!!

Over a year ago he was denied a K3 due to the validity of the relationship....ie she is older than him. Her petition was returned to CIS and was reaffirmed!!!

He interviewed for the I-130 yesterday and was told by the CO he did not provide enough evidence of the marriage!!! How can this be?

Correct me if I am wrong, but doesn't the CO give this particular petition a chance to be over come since it is an immigrant one? They have been married over 2 years now.

Any information would be greatly appreciated, especially if it is legal.

chi

Hi, my wife is not present in USA. Seems w7 form needs to be filled

I have two questions

1. in 1040, what should I put in spouse's SS#? should i leave it empty or put ITIN TO BE REQUESTED?

I LEFT OURS BLANK

2. when filling out form W-7, can my wife put in my mailing address (in USA although she isnt here)? I want her ITIN number mailed to me as it takes a long time t o get mail in her country(and its not reliable also)

I USED OUR ADDRESS HERE IN THE STATES.

Hi, my wife is not present in USA. Seems w7 form needs to be filled

I have two questions

1. in 1040, what should I put in spouse's SS#? should i leave it empty or put ITIN TO BE REQUESTED?

I LEFT OURS BLANK

2. when filling out form W-7, can my wife put in my mailing address (in USA although she isnt here)? I want her ITIN number mailed to me as it takes a long time t o get mail in her country(and its not reliable also)

I USED OUR ADDRESS HERE IN THE STATES.

By this point, I'm more interested in how gh & company will overcome this; can this petition/visa be salvaged, or is it a re-do + waiver?

Yes, I am very interested in GH outcome as well. I am hoping it can be resolved quickly, but knowing how the governemnt works I really doubt it.

lol if you are reading USCIS please give me my noa2

Awwwwwwwwww, that was cute

The fact of the situation is the man was detained for wearing a ring!!!!

Then was denied to have an interpreter after asking for one.

He was put in jail for over a day until he was so worn out and scared he confessed to what they wanted to hear??.

Was told he would be hung up if he discussed with his fiance what the problem was on the phone.

This is the American way? OMG.

Ok ok so he has no American rights...

BUT WHAT ABOUT HIS HUMAN RIGHTS???

Does he have none of those either???

To me that is the WHOLE issue of this thread.

HUMAN DIGNITY AND RESPECT

Of which this man did not receive from our governemnt employees.

The petiton was approved by USCIS with the knowledge of a religious ceremony, the CO issued the visa with the knowledge of a religious ceremomey.

Yet at the POE, he was detained for a ring???

Doesn't POE know what religion is? It is a personal relationship between a human being and their God. Does that have to be legalized???

Looks like that is the trend to me. If that is so, why does't our governemnt get on the same page with this issue? Because it appears neither department knows what the other is doing.

If this thread dies, it will be so sad for all those K couples who want to live their life according to their religious beliefs.

Please all the K couples...spread the word in all the forums and groups you participate with. This is the only way to protect against this happening.

The biggest problem with this thread (IMHO) is those who are so harsh and lack of compassion by a few who have posted. There are ways to give out information without being so critical. I know I got so angry over some of the postings I just let it all out!!! I was so angry over how things were said. I am cooled down but boy please try to sofen the reality of the advice. This is such a stressful situation to be in.

And we are looking for answers not critisim.

chi

We heard how us independant feminest - will change the mind of the non independant feminest.

but, is it possible to train your non usa husband to put the toilet seat down?

OMGoshhhhhhhh.

Humor for the day!!!

I don’t think there’s ever been a successful lawsuit against the immigration services...

I recall reading about some guy, last name Patel, who successfully sued and forced the US consulate in Mumbai to make a decision on a case after they had sat on it for some number of years.

Yes. this case was actully he waited 12 years someting long to get his approved visa issued.

there is some weird long azz term for this type of law suit.. starts with writ of M

somethign ..

"Mandamus" be the word you're looking for?

That is the word. But one does not have to wait 12 years to file it. I know of a darn good attorney willing to do it. He is a fighter for immigration injustice and abuse. He helped me so much just like Marc did.

So, is it some kind of 'standard practice' in Atlanta to give Muslim K visa holders a hard time, and to make them sign something they won't let them see? What is going on with that? Do they have the legal right to make them sign something, sight unseen, or threaten them with deportation? Something stinks to high heaven here.

I always claimed that airport was the entrance to hell - turns out I was right!

Yeah, that idiot of a CBP officer in ATL that Nani and I dealt with when we came back from Germany last year. He wanted to know why we, as a married couple, don't share the same last name. I just told him that he better mind his business and that the answer to that particular question certainly doesn't fall into that category. He didn't seem too happy with that response but I think he also realized that I wasn't in any mood to be fooled around with that afternoon.

Do they (the visa holder) have any real rights to complain about? I mean do they have the same rights as citizens and residents of the US? What I'm trying to understand is this... can they not just pretty much deport anyone who is here on a visa anyway for any reason they see fit at the time? Is there any kind of legal reprocussion that someone like the OP can get? Would she be able to sue immigration if she can prove they deported him without just cause?

Absolutely!

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guilty until you prove your innocents..

would it have made a diffrence if he had BOTH wedding bands?

I am saying he is comming to marry. so if he had both wedding bands would he still say he is married?

So true, we must remember the immigrant has no rights, so lets lock him up without an interpreter until he says what we want! We suspect do we convict!!! No need for a legal document in this case...the joke is on the immigrant.

That is sooooooooo stupid...a religious ceremony is not legal. A catch 22 situation and the CBP gets to decide the law!!!!! If she filed a K3 she would have had to provide a legal marriage certificate, but since it was religious only, there is none. And the USA is supposed to be the best country in the world yet they can't figure out the difference between legal and relgious ceremonies?? What happened to separation between religion and state??? GEEEEEEEEEEEEEEZ LOUISE

In many countries, religious ceremonies are, in fact, treated as de facto legal ceremonies.

The U.S. is not "supposed to be the best country in the world," but as a sovereign nation it does have the power to police its own borders. And the CBP is not, as I mentioned earlier, charged with distinguishing types of wedding ceremonies. If they suspect that a legally binding wedding ceremony, OF ANY TYPE, has taken place, they have the power to deny entry to the K-1 holder. Again, religious ceremonies are legally binding in many countries, which is why Zyggy and others here have often advised K-1 holders to have religious blessings or ceremonies AFTER a legal marriage in the States on the K-1.

Of course every country has the right to protect its borders. I didn't know a man wanting to be with his beloved was someone Americans needed to be protected against. I thought we needed to be protected against terrorist. I missed that one.

If they suspect??? So they are judge, jury and hangman all in one.

It the religious ceremonmy was legal, then there would be paperwork to back it up would there not? There are many ceremonies before God and then there are ceremonies that are made legal in the eyes of whatever country the people live in. I am afraid this country, which is made up almost of all immigrants, is serously lacking in religious understanding.

Many religions prohibit a couple to be together and therfore the need for the religious ceremomy. Our government requires for the couple to meet in person. What a dilema indeed!

...If she filed a K3 she would have had to provide a legal marriage certificate, but since it was religious only, there is none.

There most certainly is. A marriage license is required and the marriage certificate is signed by the minister/priest/whomever is officiating the ceremony.

As far as your suggestion that a religious ceremony is not valid.... in the yes of many who believe, it is the only one that DOES matter.

I never said it wasn't VALID. It some countries there is no paperwork done.

For many people the regious ceremnony is before God. That does not mean it is registered with the courts. God is a higher authority. We just now have a lot of legalize added in this time and age.

There is a BIG difference. That is why I said it is a catch 22 situation. I agree it would be in the best interest of the couple to get the marriage legal in the country where they had theie religious ceremony.

However, I think our government needs to reconize the difference. Instead what do they do??? Treat the immigrant as if he or she is a criminal. OMG, how absurd is that???? Of course they will get married here and then it will become legal.

Wearing a ring is considered being legally married? I am just so shocked at all of this ignorance. America tolerate and understanding???? The joke is on you dear immigrant!!!!!!!!

I don't know if I am helping, or just speaking out of my a$$, but I want so much to help.

Speaking out of your what???? This is the first time I've seen it spelled this way. HAHAHA. I really needed that laugh. THANKS!!!

Thanks for the website!!!

Seeing what I read.. it appears that the CBP agent was tipped off by seeing a wedding band. Basically by he was seeing a wedding band that indicated marriage, but the alien was stating that he was not married.

Actions speak louder than words. The act of wearing the band outweighed what he was saying, because people will lie to see their own ends... At that point in time, CBP was going to do what ever it took to find out the truth... When he fianlly admitted that he was married (even though it was not a legal ceremony), the damage was done.. He was now caught in a material misrepresentation...

I witnessed a very similar circumstance when I was a CBP agent. Some came to the POE with a K-1 visa, stated they were not married, but had a wedding band on. At that time, the officer and his supervisor got her to admit that she did have a wedding ceremony. She mistakenly assumed that a religious wedding in Canada was not a legal ceremony... (it is). But even if it wasn't, it wouldn't have mattered. She still would have been sent back home...

That is sooooooooo stupid...a religious ceremony is not legal. A catch 22 situation and the CBP gets to decide the law!!!!! If she filed a K3 she would have had to provide a legal marriage certificate, but since it was religious only, there is none. And the USA is supposed to be the best country in the world yet they can't figure out the difference between legal and relgious ceremonies?? What happened to separation between religion and state??? GEEEEEEEEEEEEEEZ LOUISE

1 stop lying

2 try to tell the truth

3 do their job properly

4 dont treat us like criminals

5 understand terrorists did not come on k1 or k3 visas!

6 I am an American just like you!

7 I was approved by USCIS, why not give me the chance to prove my relationship is real??? Instead of returning my case and then tell me nothing???

8 follow your own guidelines!!!

9 get a grip, you are not the marriage police.

thanx everybody for your replies.

well am from Iraq but am working and living here in Unted Arab Emirates for more than 4 years now. my fiancee is a USC shes 55 year and am 32 years so there is a 23 years difference, weve known eachother for 5 years now on the internet, being truly deeply loving eachother, standing by eachother with everything in lot of ways and we cant imagine our lives will be without eachother. I have almost all the emails since we met online and she even took an arabic class so that she can understand or at least communicate in Arabic not cuz i dont speak or am not good at english but a reason to feel closer. i can gather lot of so called relationship evidences but reading the post of K1 denials with ME cases came from our freind (chiquita) made me more worry and down cuz it is a true love relationship.

thanx everybody

Nad

Ours was a K3 visa because we are married. We have been married 2 years and are awaiting a 2nd interview in Casa since having our case reaffirmed by USCIS.

Best advice...get your evidence and make sure you show it even if they dont ask or say its not needed. fight your way to get that visa!

chi

I read that before. Was that a sorta kinda threat?? LOL...I don't care, I have nothing to hide!!!

I want the visa, ya hear meeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee???

Do you know if that study is public? I'm sure many people who are beginning their process here would be interested in more details.

I don't know that either, I was told that when our case was returned to USCIS. I will try to find out. I do know that peace Corps has an article about relationships between older women and younger men. i can send the link for that if you are interested.

Link to PC article>>>>>>>>>>

http://www.worldviewmagazine.com/issues/ar...id=143&issue=36

There has been a study done by our government on older women marrying younger men especially from middle eastern countries. It seems the marriages fail so the recommendation was made for the consulates to return those petitions back to USCIS further review. This info comes from an established immigration attorney and my senator and congressman.

chi

Do you know if that study is public? I'm sure many people who are beginning their process here would be interested in more details.

I don't know that either, I was told that when our case was returned to USCIS. I will try to find out. I do know that peace Corps has an article about relationships between older women and younger men. i can send the link for that if you are interested.

My heart goes out to both of you. I think he was right not to sign the papers. If he signed them, he would be admitting to whatever they had documented on those papers.

My husband was detained and interrogated for 6 hours, and they told him if he'd just sign the papers they'd let him go home and I could file papers for him and he'd be able to come back in right away (blatent lie) He was so desperate and scared by that time to get out of there that he did sign the papers even though what the papers said wasn't true (and he couldn't understand them because they were in ENglish and at that time he only spoke Spanish). They gave him a 5 year ban too. Multiple lawyers told us it would have been better for him to not have signed the papers even though he would have been deported, as he wouldn't have admitted anything which could have given us a legal leg to stand on, but because he signed them, he inadvertently admitted guilt, and we would have to file a waiver or wait out the 5 year ban. We chose to wait it out because we heard/thought the waivers were impossible to get (which also wasn't true - they're approved every day in Juarez).

I don't have much advice, except I hope that it's some hope/consolation to you that your fiance probably did the right thing by not signing their papers.

Have you ever found out what they thought he was guilty of?

Well you better focus and not let your mind blow. The fact that there is an age difference between you and your beloved one is not a big deal if you have enough suppoting evidence that would verify your relation. I think that applying for a K3 visa usually takes a much longer time to be processed than K1. Yet putting in mind the new regulations one should careful but I cannot see that there is the slightest probability of your K1 case be denied due to age difference, how old are you if your over 25 years old it will not be an issue. The usually red flag cases when one is 18 the other 50 this will arouse doubts about scam...etc

Make up your mind and focus

I hate to burst the bubble but there are many many K1's that have been denied and there was no reason given by the CO. The petitions were returned to USCIS seeking revocations "due to the validity of the relationship" ( Most couples found out the reason from their senators or congressman). Turns out most of the women (US citizen) were older than the men.

Age certainly a factor (red flag). It doesn't have to be a 30 year difference either!!!

However, there are also quite a few K3's that have been denied as well due to the age difference. Same set of events...petition returned to USCIS recommending revocation "due to the validity of the relationship".

Just an FYI. As a matter of fact there is now a separate group for these couples to interact and support each other on yahoo.

In our case, my husband had a folder filled with so much proof of our relationship, but the CO didn't look at it. He plain out lied to him saying "he needed more information from America". What he did was return our petition saying that my husband failed to prove we have a valid relationship!!! I took so much time and effort to cover everything and this is what happened. Needless to say, be sure you find all the red flags in your case. You can have all the evidence bit if the CO refuses to look at it, it won't matter. You will have to shove it down his throat!

There has been a study done by our government on older women marrying younger men especially from middle eastern countries. It seems the marriages fail so the recommendation was made for the consulates to return those petitions back to USCIS further review. This info comes from an established immigration attorney and my senator and congressman.

chi

Were these kind of denials found anywhere else but Casa

I don't know. I don't usally read the other forums.