chiquita

Make sure your fiancee/husband is very careful about being pushy to show your evidence. There are differences in what you can get away with, with demanding the CO's to look at your evidence. The worst of the CO in Morocco will probably find ways to deny you if you piss her off. But instead use tricks to get your evidence out there. 1) Make sure you have folders and make sure they are clearly marked what evidence you have in them. 2) When the CO asks a question, then make sure your fiancee/husband digs out the evidence that goes along with it. For example if they are asked how do you communicate. He or she should say we communicate by phone, online and by snail mail. At the very same time he should be grabbing the phone bills, the copies of the e-mails and instant message print outs. That question from the CO asks for evidence and is your chance so they will not take offense later when in their mind it's not the time to show since they didn't ask for it. In short you have to know how to play the game to interview these CO's based on their personalities and what you can get away with. So practice and prepare what you will do for questions you know you will get then it's a habit and you will do fine.

Going to be with your fiancee/husband during their interview is good advice but I do not feel it is 100% necessary since some Consulates do not let you go in with them. Plus you probably have limited vacation time and money to make the trip at the last minute and the CO's realize this. If you have all the other proof and how you present it most likely will be enough. But if you can afford the time off and the money and feel better go to the interview, it sure can't hurt either. But do not skip all the other more important prep work to make your interview successful. Do not come out of the interview regretting you took the short cut and didn't practice and prepare, you will only have yourself to blame if you fail. Do not only blame CO for your case being denied if you didn't do your work. I am not saying the CO is always right, but it's not their fault to see through your dumb mistakes and approve you anyway just because you are nicer than the last couple that failed their interview just like you did. I know some people will get offended because they were denied, but I ask them to be honest with their cases and take their own blame if they messed up.

I only offer my advice because all the work I did paid off with a visa from Morocco and it has helped other couples get their visas from Morocco also. In fact every couple I and my husband helped has gotten their visa. And I hope my advice helps others.

Paula

let me tell ya, you piss me off! you must be a CO to say the things you say.

Chi,

Don't let Paula ruffle your feathers. Some people claim to know all of the answers but really have no clue what they are talking about. She doesn't know any of us personally and although we know she really doesn't understand the situation, there is no changing her mind. All we can do is just keep telling our stories, getting the word out there, helping those that fall into our shoes, and stay strong until our loved ones get here.

You have a vast knowledge of the laws and how the system works, and I plan on using your strategy when my time comes. As far as anyone elses advice, well we just have to weed through them for the good and the bad, and take into account who has been there before, and who hasn't.

THANKS! I needed that. I forgot sometimes....

Make sure your fiancee/husband is very careful about being pushy to show your evidence. There are differences in what you can get away with, with demanding the CO's to look at your evidence. The worst of the CO in Morocco will probably find ways to deny you if you piss her off. But instead use tricks to get your evidence out there. 1) Make sure you have folders and make sure they are clearly marked what evidence you have in them. 2) When the CO asks a question, then make sure your fiancee/husband digs out the evidence that goes along with it. For example if they are asked how do you communicate. He or she should say we communicate by phone, online and by snail mail. At the very same time he should be grabbing the phone bills, the copies of the e-mails and instant message print outs. That question from the CO asks for evidence and is your chance so they will not take offense later when in their mind it's not the time to show since they didn't ask for it. In short you have to know how to play the game to interview these CO's based on their personalities and what you can get away with. So practice and prepare what you will do for questions you know you will get then it's a habit and you will do fine.

Going to be with your fiancee/husband during their interview is good advice but I do not feel it is 100% necessary since some Consulates do not let you go in with them. Plus you probably have limited vacation time and money to make the trip at the last minute and the CO's realize this. If you have all the other proof and how you present it most likely will be enough. But if you can afford the time off and the money and feel better go to the interview, it sure can't hurt either. But do not skip all the other more important prep work to make your interview successful. Do not come out of the interview regretting you took the short cut and didn't practice and prepare, you will only have yourself to blame if you fail. Do not only blame CO for your case being denied if you didn't do your work. I am not saying the CO is always right, but it's not their fault to see through your dumb mistakes and approve you anyway just because you are nicer than the last couple that failed their interview just like you did. I know some people will get offended because they were denied, but I ask them to be honest with their cases and take their own blame if they messed up.

I only offer my advice because all the work I did paid off with a visa from Morocco and it has helped other couples get their visas from Morocco also. In fact every couple I and my husband helped has gotten their visa. And I hope my advice helps others.

Paula

let me tell ya, you piss me off! you must be a CO to say the things you say.

Yes and basically the Arab or people from the ME/NA are being placed into the position that African Americans wrongfully were decades ago... AND NOW ITS PERFECTLY OK TO DO THIS. This is what sickens me beyond compare. Sorry I am not in such great spirits these days and bigotry, blindness, disregard for human-ness just makes me ashamed of what this country is becoming. Sorry if that stepped on some toes. Remember this is just my opinion based on the things happening around me. I want to feel proud to be American, but as they say "pride comes before the fall." I will be happy being dutifully human instead and just keep praying like crazy I can just be with the one I chose to spend my life with.

I feel the same way. I am so ashamed of how my husband has been treated. America is supposed to be the best country in the worl and I believe it still is. However, there are so many "bad apples" not only in our population but in our government employ as well.

I was venting some time back and called some of these people bigots and boy did I get in trouble for that!

( I think it was regarding goldenheart and her situation.)

Actuall I don't care because at that point I had had it with the injustice I see going on regarding those who are trying to immigrate to the states legally!!! (I don't want to go there again...I am still upset about that situation.)

I think most Americans are now afraid of Muslims and that is a shame because of a few "bad apples" who are also ruining it for the rest Muslim population.

I agree, pray pray pray. It is all I can do at this point for us now.

Hugs

chi

I soooooooooooo understand! I filed June 2004 and we are still waiting!

Can't Rabat at least give you a paper stating he has never been to Canada?? Seems lilke that would be the easiest thing to do.

Hugs

chi

My fiance interview was today at the casablanca embassy. He recieved a form saying that 221g saying that it was returned to homeland sercuity for futher review. Can anyone tell me what to expext from this letter. I called USCIS and they said that it could have been approved or it could be asking for additional information. Please im going out of my mind can someone help me.

I think I can help. I belong to a group of people who have gone through the same thing.

Call casa right away and ask what is the reason your case is being returned to CIS.

phone number for casa>>>

011 212 22 430 578

Casa is closed on Fridays so you must call them tomorrow...Thursday between 11:30 and !2:30 eastern time

Your goal is to get casa to tell you exactly WHY they want to return your case.

Send an e mail to them today as well asking them to inform you of the reason they want to return your case.

E mail for casa>>>

IVCasablanca@state.gov

Put your case number in the subject line and in your email. Put both your names and birthdays too.

This is the law to tell them>>>

In adjudicating visa cases involving petitions, posts should bear in mind three important factors:

A. the consular officer's role in the petition process is to determine if there is substantial evidence relevant to petition validity not previously considered by DHS, and not to merely readjudicate the petition;

B. the memo supporting the petition return must clearly show the factual and concrete reasons for recommending revocation (observations made by the consular officer cannot be conclusive, speculative, equivocal or irrelevant) and;

C. consular officers must provide to the applicant in writing as full an explanation as possible of the legal and factual basis for the visa denial and petition return. Post must maintain a copy of the returned petition, other evidence relevant to the case, and a copy of the written notification of the denial.

In general, an approved petition will be considered by consular officers as prima facie evidence that the requirements for classification - which are examined in the petition process - have been met. Where Congress has placed responsibility and authority with DHS to determine whether the requirements for status which are examined in the petition process have been met, consular officers do not have the authority to question the approval of petitions without specific evidence, generally unavailable to DHS at the time of petition approval, that the beneficiary may not be entitled to status (see 9 FAM 41.53, Note 2, 41.54 Note 3.2-2, 41.55 Note 8, 41.56 Note 10, 41.57 Note 6, and 42.43 Note 2) due to fraud, changes in circumstances or clear error on the part of DHS in approving the petition. Conoffs should not assume that a petition should be revoked simply because they would have reached a different decision if adjudicating the petition. …”

What does that language mean? It means an approved petition is prima facie evidence of eligibility for an immigrant visa, unless a consular officer finds substantial evidence of ineligibility. More importantly, this evidence must have been unknown and unavailable to DHS at the time it approved the petition.

Contact your senator and congressman to get their help.

If you wait, your case will be returned to CIS. This is a situation where you have to move quickly. I am available if you need more assistance.

We were denied a visa March of 05 and have since had it reaffirmed and are waiting for casa to take action.

Hugs

chi

Homeland Security glitch delays wedding bells for thousands

Updated 6/13/2006 4:26 PM

WASHINGTON (AP) — True love waits for no one — except maybe the Homeland Security Department.

Red tape has put wedding bells on hold for about 10,000 U.S. citizens seeking visas for their foreign brides and grooms as the department works on new paperwork for their applications.

The form change was required as part of a law, enacted in March, to protect foreign mail-order brides from abusive American spouses. But Homeland Security missed its deadline three months ago, putting the visa applications of thousands of law-abiding lovers in limbo.

The department said Tuesday it would send out additional forms to the visa seekers for more information that should satisfy the new law's protections.

But the bureaucratic entanglement has trashed wedding plans for many couples before they could get anywhere near the altar.

"We were ready to get married this year, but I can't really make a date until we get the approval," said Bill Hall, 41, a construction foreman from Burlington, Vt. He applied two months ago for a visa for his fiancee, Debbie, to emigrate from Canada with her two sons. In separate interviews, the couple said they have been dating for six years.

"We're just kind of here, in limbo," Hall said. "And it's kind of aggravating — it's a real simple thing they have to do, and they're making more of it than they need to."

He said his application, sent to Homeland Security in April, "never got approved. It's just sitting there."

The tale of these 10,000 belated nuptials illustrates a bureaucratic response to what all sides agree is a well-intentioned law to protect women.

Advocates estimate that as many as 15,000 foreign women annually meet their American husbands through for-profit marriage brokers. That number, provided by the Virginia-based Tahirih Justice Center, marks a sharp rise from a 1999 estimate by the former Immigration and Naturalization Services of 30,000 women who came to the United States through a marriage broker during the previous five years.

Spurred by stories of foreign women — largely from Eastern Europe and Asia — being abused or even murdered by their U.S. husbands, Congress in December approved new protections for mail-order brides. They included amending the application form for so-called fiancee visas with two new questions: Whether the romance was arranged by an international marriage broker, and had the U.S. citizen ever been accused of a violent crime or convicted of three or more alcohol- or drug-related crimes.

President Bush signed the law on January 5, putting Homeland Security under order to draw up the new paperwork. But the forms weren't finished by March 6, when the law took effect — resulting in the department shelving all fiancee visa applications written on the old forms that were received after that date.

Chris Bentley, a Homeland Security spokesman, said about 10,000 applications are currently being held because they did not address the criminal or marriage broker issues.

"They did not have all of the information needed to determine whether someone qualified or not," said Bentley, who works for the department's Citizenship and Immigration Services.

He added: "It's certainly an inconvenience brought about by the new requirements of the law."

Homeland Security said Tuesday it would send additional forms to the estimated 10,000 couples in wedding purgatory to get answers to the questions about criminal pasts and marriage brokers. But it said it was still waiting for the White House Office of Management and Budget for approval of those forms and the new application.

OMB spokeswoman Andrea Wuebker did not have details immediately on the additional forms, but said the new applications were approved Monday in an emergency clearance process. It was not clear when the new applications would be distributed to the public.

Sen. Maria Cantwell, D-Wash., rapped Homeland Security for getting cold feet about quickly processing the new regulations that she helped write.

"Security and safety should be their top consideration but their long visa process delays are putting a lot of people's lives on hold," Cantwell said in a statement.

Hall, the lovelorn Vermonter, said he's frustrated with the visa delays for people trying to follow the law at a time the Bush administration is grappling with giving other benefits to immigrants who have slipped into the U.S. illegally.

"I thought it was ironic," Hall said. "And I find it unfair."

Homeland Security Department/U.S. Citizenship and Immigration Services: http://www.uscis.gov/graphics/index.htm

MAJOR MOJO coming your way!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I know you didnt mean to scare me but its scary. We have a 16 year age difference, and yes Im going through the horrible consular Morocco. what fun this will be for us!

Since we went through casa and had our case returned to USCIS "due to the validity of the relationship" IE... age difference...

my thoughts to you would be:

Try to be there when your husband has the interview. I think this is the best advice for anyone who has red flags!!! (No matter what they are!)

In one case, the petitioner WAS with the beneficary at the Casa consulate on the interview day and they still gave a 221(g) and humiliated him... I don't know if being there really does help change the CO's decision?

Who was that? Did the CO know the petitioner was there?

I know you didnt mean to scare me but its scary. We have a 16 year age difference, and yes Im going through the horrible consular Morocco. what fun this will be for us!

Since we went through casa and had our case returned to USCIS "due to the validity of the relationship" IE... age difference...

my thoughts to you would be:

Try to be there when your husband has the interview. I think this is the best advice for anyone who has red flags!!! (No matter what they are!)

Make sure you have lots of proof, ie, pics, e mails logs since you met, any letters that you sent, travel itinery copies including copies of your passport stamps, any type of paper trail between you and your husband at all. And I mean anything, the more the better!!!

Get some letters from people who know you to include with your proof of relationship. Be sure they have their full name, full address and phone number in the letter to show they can be contacted if casa so desires. Your husband can get some too and translate them. Get as many as you can. I had 8. I kept the originals and provided copies, just in case...

Most of all, make sure your husband shows the proof even if the CO does not ask for it!!! Make sure your husband understands this is a MUST!!!

A great idea already submitted here was about the the prophet marrying an older woman. This should be included in a letter from both you and your husband since casa seems to think marrying an older woman is unheard of in Morocco. And we know it is not.

I hope this helps you Vonnie.

chi

I agree!..

I had added my husband to a few things like to my work benifits. he has a card.

he was added to anything that I could add him too. the adjudicator in our case - thought I could not add him to nothing til I show the benifit cards in his name. I also showed her a paper showing when I added him. it even had his name on the envelope showed her that too.. added him to leagal insurance

has his name on that too. even my mama sent a fax to the Adjudicator - she put all her credentals on there so if the adjudicator needed to call my mama she could..

I did the same thing! Added my husband to my health insurane, dental and life insurace.

LOL....well I sorta got it.

I am here at work...slow day so i can goof around a bit on the puter.

I want to try putting in my timeline, bust since I have soooooooo many dates and i don't have them with me I will have to wait until I get home.

Thanks all!

Did i get it this time??

Did i get it this time??

NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOPE

Whoooooo ooooooooooooooooo!

Ok.... , I made a ticker thingy...but why can't I get it pasted here??

Hmmmmmm...much harder than I thought.

just looking...

just looking...

ops...didnt get it right....

Wow oh wow...learned something new today...now if only I knew how to get my timeline posted and maybe get one of those ticker tag thingies...I would be happy!!

Thank you!!

Well now I can't figure out how to get to the link to do the time line. Grrrrr. For tickertags, either google it or click on someone's ticker and it will take you to the site www.tickertag.com. Be sure to have your AV up and running. Last time I did my ticker it tried to send a virus to my computer. These user bars are fun too!

okey dokey, I will try it!

Hey... what does 600 posts get ya? I'm only 6 away from it now

Oh my! How do you know how many posts you have made? Oh and ...lol...why do you count them?

chi

Hey Chi, you click on "My Controls" (top right) and then you see how many posts you've made. Every time you reach *x* amount of posts you move to a new "ranking" - from newbie, to junior, to senior, to gold, then platinum, etc.... I may have missed some, but you get the idea. Some of us have occasional races and celebrations to "graduate" to the next level.... I'm at gold and waiting to go platinum I think

Ok, I'm awake now....

Wow oh wow...learned something new today...now if only I knew how to get my timeline posted and maybe get one of those ticker tag thingies...I would be happy!!

Thank you!!

Hey... what does 600 posts get ya? I'm only 6 away from it now

Oh my! How do you know how many posts you have made? Oh and ...lol...why do you count them?

chi

I know you didnt mean to scare me but its scary. We have a 16 year age difference, and yes Im going through the horrible consular Morocco. what fun this will be for us!

Since we went through casa and had our case returned to USCIS "due to the validity of the relationship" IE... age difference...

my thoughts to you would be:

Try to be there when your husband has the interview. I think this is the best advice for anyone who has red flags!!! (No matter what they are!)

Make sure you have lots of proof, ie, pics, e mails logs since you met, any letters that you sent, travel itinery copies including copies of your passport stamps, any type of paper trail between you and your husband at all. And I mean anything, the more the better!!!

Get some letters from people who know you to include with your proof of relationship. Be sure they have their full name, full address and phone number in the letter to show they can be contacted if casa so desires. Your husband can get some too and translate them. Get as many as you can. I had 8. I kept the originals and provided copies, just in case...

Most of all, make sure your husband shows the proof even if the CO does not ask for it!!! Make sure your husband understands this is a MUST!!!

A great idea already submitted here was about the the prophet marrying an older woman. This should be included in a letter from both you and your husband since casa seems to think marrying an older woman is unheard of in Morocco. And we know it is not.

I hope this helps you Vonnie.

chi

[quote name='Isabel' date='Jun 10 Well Im familir to the process of applying for a K3 since I do it myself, you know. I was just wondering why they cant repeal the K3 denial, thats all.

I suppose the USCIS could do what they want to do. I just know that the K3 is no longer valid once it is sent back to the states. I would think you would know this since you are familar with the K3.

And as mentioned before, we can give you hints and a few thoughts but we are no legal attourneys. So obviously you know more about that law than we do, so why are you not just looking for professional help? That is my best advice.

Becuase that takes so much time to get arranged. I was hoping to get some help for them, thats all.

Oh and I wanted to know if you were apart at that interview because you seemed to know every single thing and so on. But honestly You cant know everything that is a fact. What people say and what they do are two seperate things. That is a fact as well.

I know this couple very well. I know I wasn't there but I am sure there is no reason to deny with out reason. Least of all ....for personal belief

Yes, I do want them. At this point since our case is still back with the CIS it won't help me, but this time I plan to be more prepared when it gets back to the consulate. By the time I found these addresses it was already back to the CIS so it didn't help me, but I have held on because I don't believe it will go any easier the second time around.

Please keep us informed about what your friends do to resolve this issue, and how it turns out. I am praying for the best for her, and you as well.

Here they are:

OFFICE OF DIPLOMATIC AND PUBLIC LIAISON (VO/P)

Director Julie Furuta-Toy 202-663-3579

Public Inquiries Division Chief Karla Gentile 202-663-3623

Diplomatic Liaison Division Chief Dale Rumbarger 202-663-3211

Right after we were denied the K3 visa i wrote to Pres Bush (I wrote to everyone!!!) who wrote right back to me letting me know he was forwarding my letter to the DOS. It took DOS 6 months to write to me!!! So calling is much better! i wish I had known. Now, I have spoke to Mr. Rumbarger on the phone which was nice that he answered himslelf.

BTW, I also wrote to and sent e mail to Secretary Rice and to this day I have never heard from her or her office to this day.

szsz, you posted your age difference earlier. Believe me, this WILL be an issue wuth Casa and you need to be prepared for it.

Thanks, Kiya. We were advised about age discrimination at the consulate long ago, so we've decided to face that and any other issues that may send up red flags head on in the I-130 before they raise it. I brought up the history of Khadijah and the Prophet (pbuh) on an earlier post; it is among the valid evidence that should be employed as religious precedent.

I'm going to leave this issue now as there some tension growing that I don't need, and there is little more that I can contribute further other than to repeat the advice to contact relevant congressional representatives and get a lawyer. I also posted an inquiry to solicit information from others

http://www.visajourney.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=17164

and can suggest this article that was contributed by a lawyer who posts on VJ

http://www.ilw.com/articles/2006,0323-ellis.shtm

Chiquite, I know this is painful, but if you fought and won, then have some confidence that your friend will too. Best wishes to all!

Thanks!

Let me advise you there is something that Marc wrote that is not true in Casa.

He wrote >>>>>>

The beneficiary interviews at a US Consulate and her case is not approved at the time of the interview. Rather, the interviewing officer first refuses the visa application under INA 221(g), and requests more information about the relationship.

After the petitioner and beneficiary provide the information, the consular officer decides that the petition should be returned to USCIS for review with the recommendation that it be revoked because it’s the officer’s view that a reasonable person would believe the relationship exists solely or primarily to convey an immigration benefit.

This does not happen in Casa...requests more information about the relationship. Instead the case is denied the same day of the interview and returned to USCIS without either the petitioner or the benefiary knowing why. Trust me this exactly what happens!!! We only find out much later when out senator or congressman make an inquiry for us. I know many many couples who have gone througth Casa and this is exactly what has happened to them.

I know that sooooooooo many ppl and even embassies say it doesnt happen, but I am here to tell everyone it indeed does happen. And for no other reason that the woman being older than the man. PERIOD!!!!!!!!!!!!

My husbands interview lasted 5 minutes, the CO reused to look at our proof, and returned our case to USCIS. I had taken great pains in creating a binder filled with pictures of us and family, copies of e mails, phone records and so much more. I had it all in plastic sleeves and had sections for each topic. I went to great length to make it so easy for the CO to just thumb through it for our proof of relationship. Guess what??? He refused to even look at it, yet we were denied "due to the validity of the relationship".

It is just the way it is.

Chiquite, I know this is painful, but if you fought and won, then have some confidence that your friend will too. Best wishes to all!

She did win!!! Her case was reaffirmed by USCIS like mine was!!!

It is the CO who keeps holding them up!

Chiguita, I don't know why I didn't think of this before. Maybe one of these 2 could help. I don't have their phone numbers, but maybe you could find them so you can save time.

Dale Rumbarger

for

Julia Furuta-Toy

Director of Public and Diplomatic Liaison Visa Services

Washington, D.C. 20520

You can also write to:

Maura Harty

Assistant Secretary, Bureau of Consular Affairs

Washington, D.C. 20520

Thanks, I was thinking of giving those numbers to her last night. I will now send them to her in an e mail. I have the numbers if anyone else needs them.

Chiquita, I am so sorry for asking a dang on question. I read the post and it said that he was asked about 50 questions then the CO denied so I asked if possible something was said that may have triggered this reaction from the CO.

I don't speak much on these boards and when I just asked a harmless question I get insulted.

Everyone have a good day.

I am so sorry...I as well meant no harm!! I meant no insult at all. Please forgive me if I came across as such. This is a very frustrating situation and I am looking to help her. There should be nothing to triggering the responce from the CO as this has been reaffirmed by USCIS who verifies the relationship throghoughly before sending the case back to DOS.

I know a lot of ppl here do not know the process of returned cases, I was just hoping for advice with laws and guidelines to help them. We pretty much know the process up to this point. The couple is in a desperate situation and I want to help

Chi...has your friend tried contacting the consulate directly? I know a lot of times this is a fruitless effort, but it can be done as I did in the beginning of this mess (not that I got positive results). Also have her congressman contact them like Mary's did. I would be hiring an attorney immediately as well.

Yes the age difference is a HUGE issue with Casa...szsz, you posted your age difference earlier. Believe me, this WILL be an issue wuth Casa and you need to be prepared for it. There is a 9 year age difference between my SO and me...this is exactly why our petition was returned. This is a red flag that Casa will use to their advantage, Chi and other members like us have seen it time and time again in Morocco, we are living this reality.

I just can't imagine going through all this and having them deny it again...and for a stupid reason like "I don't believe your husband loves you." Casa does not follow the regulations

I can tell you this, your friend needs to get her congressman involved...somone further up mentioned congress not wanting to look hypocritical in the middle of this illegal immigration ####### and that is soooo correct.

You are correct, this is an absolute abuse of power...I do not care what anyone else says. Those of us who have been affected like this know exactly what is going on in Morocco. This is not just a simple case of they need training to spot marriage fraud...they do have this training. The abuse of power here has got to be addressed...I know a lot of us are afraid to address this for fear of being singled out when our husband gets another interview in Casa. I am not even sure anymore this is a message that Casa is sending out to the DOS/DHS. Something needs to be done at a higher level in a way that does not single out one case or couple.

I pray for your friend and her husband...I cannot imagine being denied again after going through this process of petition being returned. It is just infathomable. I would be very interested in finding out about your friend contacting congress and what happens with that avenue. I certainly would not hesitate in contacting the consulate in Casa myself...then contacting the embassy Rabat.

~Kiya~

Thanks Kiya. I am waiting to hear back from her. She works full time and is trying to get this all taken care of.

I advise her to call the consulate and to send an email as well. I need to find the number to the embassy in Rabat and give that to her too.

Her representaive is working on finding out what is going on. I am not sure if it was her senator or congressman. She called me after I worked three 12 hours shifts and I was so tired.

I am just hoping, really hoping her husband misunderstood and he has the infamous 221g for AP. This is my hope!!!!!

First, I am so sorry to hear of this tragedy. When visiting my fiance in Morocco this year, I met a couple (american woman, moroccan man, 12 year age difference, she had 3 previous divorces) and her fiance got the same interrogation about the age difference, and also her previous marriages. Evidently, she was asked to write a "reply" to the consular officers findings. In the consular officers letter of findings he had written "It is highly unusual/unlikely for a moroccan man to marry a woman so much older than himself or one who has been previously married" She did not have any legal assistance and was at a loss for what to write, so I did some research for her and used "cultural" and "religious" beliefs to be the basis to refute that officers findings. I wish I had this letter saved still, but do research to support that moroccan (muslim) men, do not see an age difference as a factor in marriage or the woman having been previously married. In short, Mohammeds first and great love of his life was Khadija whom he met at the age of 25 and when she was 40. She had been previously married as well. While she was alive, he did not take any other wives. It is hard for any consular to argue with something, modeled after that persons prophet.

Yes, we know that. Thanks so much for the reply!

You catch more flies with honey than you do with vinegar, chiquita. There's no need to insult people who have done nothing to hurt you. If you want to fight, fight to win, not to alienate.

Thanks for you concern, I really do appreciate it.

We do know why they were denied. The CO does not believe the husband loves the wife.

I am not trying to insult anyone. It gets frustrating when the same questions keep being asked. Did he say anything wrong? I can only guess...no. He said he loves his wife and wants to be with her. He was hoping the bus he was on would just crash and kill him when he was on his way home from the consulate. My husband feels he is in exile. For what? Because there is an age difference.

I am just looking for laws to help them. I know they exist because I have read them. I was hoping someone had done some research lately and my have had the links handy.

I think a lot of the questions being asked are purely innocent. I know I am not knowledgeable in this matter and maybe some others are not also. I think a lot of brainstorming as to why some people get denied their visas goes on here. I am pretty sure it's because they only want to help. We can only speculated as to what happen. I sincerely hope you find the information you are seeking. We got a 221g for lack of information and i know the feeling I felt was helplessness at that time.

Angel

Does any one know if the husband may have said something to trigger this CO's deision?

I feel for this person.

What does that matter? This case was reaffirimed by USCIS for DOS to take action on, yet they gave the infamous 221g letter with nothing marked and verbably saying she doesn't beleive he loves his wife after being married for more than 2 years. If that is not abuse of power, I sure don't know what is. The CO is to be VERY clear in why they will not issue a visa in the case of immigrants. Yet Casa has a history for not following the laws.

I don't understand why the ppl here don't get it...why does it have to be that the couple did something wrong??????????? I know in our case and most of the denied cases the couples did nothing wrong. The problem is the CO....age difference....denied!!! Period! Case sent back to USCIS.

This is the same problem I ran into last year when I first shared what happened to us. Everyone figured we did something wrong and those who were issued visas did the right thing. I guess most will never understand until it happens to them. I am so glad there is a group to go to for support, cuz it isn't here.

Nobody thought Goldenheart's fiancé said anything wrong either, but he did. Sometimes people say strange things under pressure or coercion. They really do ask a lot of questions and just wait for you to slip up on something then they eat you alive with it. It's unfortunate but true.

What did GH fiancee say that was wrong? Did i miss that part?

GH fiancee mentioned the religious ceremony the next day AFTER he was put in jail.

COERCION (forcing of somebody to do something: the use of force or threats to make somebody do something against his or her will) IS ILLEGAL!!!!!!!!!!!

((((( Oh, honey))))), I'm 53 and my husband's 32, so if Casa discriminates on the basis of age, this will affect me too. Half of my family is married to immigrants, but none of us have the same circumstances or story to tell. I moved to Colorado to work for a relative's law firm and even she had to hire a lawyer to help with her husband's immigration issues!

We all care, or we wouldn't respond. The bottom line is, the process (using the word loosely) is bewildering to most of us. We're trying to be logical where logic doesn't count. You're probably beyond the realm of logic, so it all sounds like _______ to you. Please try to take it as it's meant, concern and caring for a process (using the word loosely) where we all feel powerless and somewhat abused but we don't have to feel alone.

I understand what you are saying. I never meant to imply that no one cared.

i am not beildered or beyond logic at all. That happened last year when we were first denied. I have since had our case reaffirnmed and feel very positive about it.

I am just trying to get the law and guidelines to help this couple. We are not powerless in this situation. At least i don't feel that way. I fought back and I won.

HI chiquita,

well I just read the messages here and hm what to say. Im sorry for what happened.

But to be realistic, were you in part at the interview? Or how can you tell what she said? How she reacted, if she might said something strange...that was a red flag? How can you know? Maybe she/he doesnt know it either. And if they already got denied another visa it is imaginable that the next interview would be harder as well...cos they need to convince the officer now that they indeed love each other etc.

Just to ask, why couldnt they repeal the first denial of the K3? That might have been a better choice instead of going further and trying to get the immigration visa? Sure finally they wanna get that but first off shoudlnt they try to get an approval for the K3?

Maybe im misinformed here, but that would be my try, cos for me it would be a red flag, why they just went on and went for the immigration visa.

Isabel

No I was not part of the interview. why would I need to be there to help this couple? Their case was reaffrimed by USCIS and sent back to DOS for action. That means issue the visa. But in this case the CO said she just cant believe the husband loves her. How does her believe system enter into this judgement? The relationship was proved and now USCIS was asking DOS to issue the visa. Plain and simple.

A k3 (non immigrant)visa is no longer valid once the CO denies it. It not our choice it is the law.

In oder to even file for a K3 one has to file for the I-130 Immigrant first. Once a K3 is denied the DOS and USCIS thereafter only uses the I-130 Immigrant to review.

I am hoping you understand now. All I was hoping to get was the law and guidelines for them.

chiquita is trying to seek information now and if anyone has information to share it would be greatly appreciated !!!!

THANK YOU!

You catch more flies with honey than you do with vinegar, chiquita. There's no need to insult people who have done nothing to hurt you. If you want to fight, fight to win, not to alienate.

I am not trying to insult anyone. It gets frustrating when the same questions keep being asked. Did he say anything wrong? I can only guess...no. He said he loves his wife and wants to be with her. He was hoping the bus he was on would just crash and kill him when he was on his way home from the consulate. My husband feels he is in exile. For what? Because there is an age difference.

I am just looking for laws to help them. I know they exist because I have read them. I was hoping someone had done some research lately and my have had the links handy.

Does any one know if the husband may have said something to trigger this CO's deision?

I feel for this person.

What does that matter? This case was reaffirimed by USCIS for DOS to take action on, yet they gave the infamous 221g letter with nothing marked and verbably saying she doesn't beleive he loves his wife after being married for more than 2 years. If that is not abuse of power, I sure don't know what is. The CO is to be VERY clear in why they will not issue a visa in the case of immigrants. Yet Casa has a history for not following the laws.

I don't understand why the ppl here don't get it...why does it have to be that the couple did something wrong??????????? I know in our case and most of the denied cases the couples did nothing wrong. The problem is the CO....age difference....denied!!! Period! Case sent back to USCIS.

This is the same problem I ran into last year when I first shared what happened to us. Everyone figured we did something wrong and those who were issued visas did the right thing. I guess most will never understand until it happens to them. I am so glad there is a group to go to for support, cuz it isn't here.

you know that was a valid qustion chi. I know you are upset. VJ is a good source of support

I did not see anyone say anything offensive.

I know shon, but that was already asked. I am looking to help them. he was asked about 50 questions. Some were so absurd! Like why hasn't your wife's family come to visit you. Come on. Dis he know his wife was married and divorced x amount of times. Yessssss, he knows all about her. They have known each other for a long time now, just like my husband and me.

No one has been offensive, I am sorry if it apears I have been offensive, that it not my intention at all, please forgive me. I just want to help them.

Does any one know if the husband may have said something to trigger this CO's deision?

I feel for this person.

What does that matter? This case was reaffirimed by USCIS for DOS to take action on, yet they gave the infamous 221g letter with nothing marked and verbably saying she doesn't beleive he loves his wife after being married for more than 2 years. If that is not abuse of power, I sure don't know what is. The CO is to be VERY clear in why they will not issue a visa in the case of immigrants. Yet Casa has a history for not following the laws.

I don't understand why the ppl here don't get it...why does it have to be that the couple did something wrong??????????? I know in our case and most of the denied cases the couples did nothing wrong. The problem is the CO....age difference....denied!!! Period! Case sent back to USCIS.

This is the same problem I ran into last year when I first shared what happened to us. Everyone figured we did something wrong and those who were issued visas did the right thing. I guess most will never understand until it happens to them. I am so glad there is a group to go to for support, cuz it isn't here.