Cheney flips out

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http://www.crooksandliars.com/2007/06/22/s...ney/#more-18653

####### Cheney has declares the "his "office is not within the Executive Branch" and therefore the information oversight laws don't apply to him. He is also trying to dismantle the National Archives’ Information Security Oversite Committee that is asking for him merely to report how many documents his office classifies in a year.

Well, with Scooter Libby and ongoing investigations, it makes sense WHY he doesn't want anyone poking their head anywhere near him, but to declare that the Vide President is not in the Executive Branch is totally off the wall.

[LuzyC 0]

Sorry, did it again.

Edited June 23, 2007 by LuzyC

[GaryC 7]

http://www.crooksandliars.com/2007/06/22/s...ney/#more-18653

####### Cheney has declares the "his "office is not within the Executive Branch" and therefore the information oversight laws don't apply to him. He is also trying to dismantle the National Archives’ Information Security Oversite Committee that is asking for him merely to report how many documents his office classifies in a year.

Well, with Scooter Libby and ongoing investigations, it makes sense WHY he doesn't want anyone poking their head anywhere near him, but to declare that the Vide President is not in the Executive Branch is totally off the wall.

Here is a prime example of the left spin. He never said "his "office is not within the Executive Branch". The witch hunter Waxman accused Cheney of it.

White House deputy press secretary Dana Perino said it's clear that the president's executive order never intended for the vice president's office to be treated as an "agency."

"He's not exempt from following the laws of the United States," Perino said. "He's exempt just from this reporting requirement in this particular executive order." That is what Cheney's office stated

"The vice president is pretending he isn't part of the executive branch and the White House is pretending that the rules for protecting classified information are being followed," he (Waxman) said in a statement.

This is what Waxman accused Cheney of.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20070623/ap_on_...vIoY5WTEVOyFz4D

This is just a game the left is playing. It's over nothing. It's about reporting how many documents he classifies or declassifies. Not what is in them. This is just more of the same hammering at the right because they can't do anything else. They look bad so they think by making others look worse that makes them better.

Jeez, lefties.

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"He's not exempt from following the laws of the United States," Perino said. "He's exempt just from this reporting requirement in this particular executive order." That is what Cheney's office stated

Exactly right. He is not subject to Executive Orders that say that everyone in the Executive Branch, even the President has to follow. The President DID comply to this law.

However, Cheney's excuse was that he presided over the Senate, and therefore was in a "unique position". He was therefore NOT in the Executive Branch (as outlined clearly by the constitution) and this troublesome law doesn't apply to him. He is also trying to complely dismantle the National Archives’ Information Security Oversite Committee. Cheney's office in particular doesn't exactly have a good track record with handling classified information...

Incidentally, did you know that Cheney classified who is on his staff? We don't know who they are. Somehow, that is critical, sensitive information. If al Quieda ever found out who had Cheney's ear, wwwwwooooooo boy! There'd be some trouble then!

[GaryC 7]

"He's not exempt from following the laws of the United States," Perino said. "He's exempt just from this reporting requirement in this particular executive order." That is what Cheney's office stated

Exactly right. He is not subject to Executive Orders that say that everyone in the Executive Branch, even the President has to follow. The President DID comply to this law.

However, Cheney's excuse was that he presided over the Senate, and therefore was in a "unique position". He was therefore NOT in the Executive Branch (as outlined clearly by the constitution) and this troublesome law doesn't apply to him. He is also trying to complely dismantle the National Archives’ Information Security Oversite Committee. Cheney's office in particular doesn't exactly have a good track record with handling classified information...

Incidentally, did you know that Cheney classified who is on his staff? We don't know who they are. Somehow, that is critical, sensitive information. If al Quieda ever found out who had Cheney's ear, wwwwwooooooo boy! There'd be some trouble then!

I am not commenting on the "scandal". It's clearly just a political witch hunt by the left. Who cares how many documents his office classifies or declassifies. This isn't about what is in those documents, only the number of them. In the end it means nothing. And by the way, this isn't some law. It's an executive order. Since it's an executive order the the executive (Bush) can change it at will.

And Cheney never suggested that the National Archives’ Information Security Oversite Committee be dismantled. Show me somewhere that says he did.

Let me give you a little advice. If you want to post a "news" story that involves partisan politics its best to get it from a mainstream source. If you post from a left or right blog you will always get called on it. I can't post something from Rush Limbaugh or redstate.org or a liberal can't post from the daily Koss or the Huffington post without the other side discrediting anything said as spin. Shoot, I get hammered if I post something from Fox News.

Edited June 23, 2007 by Iniibig ko si Luz forever

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In the link I posted was a news story from CSPAN.

But sure thing. Here's AOL from the Associated Press News Wire.

Waxman Decries Cheney Security Exemption

By DEB RIECHMANN

AP

Posted: 2007-06-22 00:52:19

WASHINGTON (June 22) - House Democrats on Thursday denounced Vice President ####### Cheney 's idea of abolishing a government office charged with safeguarding national security information - and criticized him for refusing to cooperate with the agency.

http://news.aol.com/topnews/articles/_a/wa...621234809990001

Let me guess... you heard on FOX News that this was nothing, right? That this was only about Cheney's right to keep even the number of secrets he's keeping a secret, right? Guess Halliburton is really doing a bang up job, BushCo isn't really illegally funding covert operations in Iran already, (Seymour Hersh's articles in the New Yorker http://www.newyorker.com/archive/2005/01/24/050124fa_fact) and Santa is real.

[GaryC 7]

In the link I posted was a news story from CSPAN.

But sure thing. Here's AOL from the Associated Press News Wire.

Waxman Decries Cheney Security Exemption

By DEB RIECHMANN

AP

Posted: 2007-06-22 00:52:19

WASHINGTON (June 22) - House Democrats on Thursday denounced Vice President ####### Cheney 's idea of abolishing a government office charged with safeguarding national security information - and criticized him for refusing to cooperate with the agency.

http://news.aol.com/topnews/articles/_a/wa...621234809990001

Let me guess... you heard on FOX News that this was nothing, right? That this was only about Cheney's right to keep even the number of secrets he's keeping a secret, right? Guess Halliburton is really doing a bang up job, BushCo isn't really illegally funding covert operations in Iran already, (Seymour Hersh's articles in the New Yorker http://www.newyorker.com/archive/2005/01/24/050124fa_fact) and Santa is real.

Hehe.. I see you know how to google. Good for you!

Ok, let me take this from the top. Waxman accused Cheney of wanting to disband the oversight committee.

In an eight-page letter to Cheney on Thursday, Waxman said that J. William Leonard, director of the Information Security Oversight Office, told his committee that Cheney's advisers recommended that the executive order be amended to abolish the ISOO.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20070623/ap_on_...vIoY5WTEVOyFz4D

Does this sound like Cheney said "shut it down!!!"? No, it's just more BS from Waxman. Second and third hand accusations. In his paranoid mind Cheney is the devil and he is the exorcist.

But that brings us back to your OP. All spin and no substance.

Edited June 23, 2007 by Iniibig ko si Luz forever

[GaryC 7]

I ask you to look at your OP. The headline "Cheney flips out" and "Cheney declares that he is not part of the executive branch" are not only silly but outright lies. Then in your post you put in quotes his "office is not within the Executive Branch" implying that at some point Cheney got in front of a mic and uttered those words.

Then you go on to report the ravings of Waxman as something else Cheney actually said. You really need to take check your facts before you go on a left wing kook episode.

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And you're gettting "Its just the numbers of secrets" line from FOX News instead of bloody murder. There is no denial here. That is NOT what the article stated. Cheney's recomendation would be a matter of public record. OOPS. Not that that has stopped him before. Cheney technically could unilaterally declare that classified if he wanted (yes, he really could) The Constitution is a matter of public record, but I guess it doesn't mean that Cheney's actually READ the darned thing...

Actually, I googled to post the AP article I had read earlier, I didn't see it, intead a bunch of blogs came up. I don't normally read blogs except when I'm trying to find information. Stupid place to find the information, but that particular blog had a video link to a CSPAN-2 story, so I figured THAT was reputable enough. Silly me to think that anyone would actually follow the links....

[GaryC 7]

And you're gettting "Its just the numbers of secrets" line from FOX News instead of bloody murder. There is no denial here. That is NOT what the article stated. Cheney's recomendation would be a matter of public record. OOPS. Not that that has stopped him before. Cheney technically could unilaterally declare that classified if he wanted (yes, he really could) The Constitution is a matter of public record, but I guess it doesn't mean that Cheney's actually READ the darned thing...

Actually, I googled to post the AP article I had read earlier, I didn't see it, intead a bunch of blogs came up. I don't normally read blogs except when I'm trying to find information. Stupid place to find the information, but that particular blog had a video link to a CSPAN-2 story, so I figured THAT was reputable enough. Silly me to think that anyone would actually follow the links....

Nope, I got it from yahoo news. To bad you don't actually follow the links......

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ANYHOO. Go back to bed. It really is only an accusation by a massive left wing conspiracy to dredge the name of our greatest Vice President Ever, ####### Cheney, trough the mud. Nothing to it. Cheney didn't really do it. Go back to sleep.

[GaryC 7]

Oh, and that video that was in the link you posted? I did watch it. All it is is Turbin commenting on a news story!!! Did you really watch the video? He has no facts of his own! All that was was a political diatribe with no substance what so ever! He is taking innuendo and third hand reports and trying to turn it into a scandal. Like I said, spin and smear. That is all the left knows how to do.

[Mr. Big Dog 10,747]

Out of your story, Gary:

Government secrecy specialists insist that Cheney's office is covered by the executive order and must report the number of times it classifies material and the number of pages it declassifies to the Information Security Oversight Office.

Steve Aftergood, director of the Federation of American Scientists' government secrecy project, said the executive order defines "agency" as any executive agency, military department and "any other entity within the executive branch that comes into the possession of classified information."

If Cheney's office is not part of the executive branch, "they're going to have to rewrite the textbooks," Aftergood said.

So, if that is so and Cheney's office claims not to be covered by the executive order, then they are effectively suggesting that they are either not an entity of the executive branch or do not come into the possession of classified information. But what the hell would this administration care about expert opinion and facts? They've never ever given a first ** what subject matter experts suggest. Which is why this country is today where it is.

Edited June 23, 2007 by ET-US2004

[GaryC 7]

Out of your story, Gary:

Government secrecy specialists insist that Cheney's office is covered by the executive order and must report the number of times it classifies material and the number of pages it declassifies to the Information Security Oversight Office.

Steve Aftergood, director of the Federation of American Scientists' government secrecy project, said the executive order defines "agency" as any executive agency, military department and "any other entity within the executive branch that comes into the possession of classified information."

If Cheney's office is not part of the executive branch, "they're going to have to rewrite the textbooks," Aftergood said.

So, if that is so and Cheney's office claims not to be covered by the executive order, then they are effectively suggesting that they are either not an entity of the executive branch or do not come into the possession of classified information. But what the hell would this administration care about expert opinion and facts? They've never ever given a first ** what subject matter experts suggest. Which is why this country is today where it is.

Lets read the story and then think about it for a minute. This is an "executive order", not a law. That means that the executive (Bush) can modify it as he wants. The first line of the story states "The White House on Friday defended Vice President ####### Cheney's decision not to cooperate with a government office charged with safeguarding national security information — and denied that Cheney ever suggested the agency be shut down.".

That means that the executive says it's OK for what Cheneys office did. Think people. Not everything is a scandal just because you want it to be.

[Mr. Big Dog 10,747]

Out of your story, Gary:

Government secrecy specialists insist that Cheney's office is covered by the executive order and must report the number of times it classifies material and the number of pages it declassifies to the Information Security Oversight Office.

Steve Aftergood, director of the Federation of American Scientists' government secrecy project, said the executive order defines "agency" as any executive agency, military department and "any other entity within the executive branch that comes into the possession of classified information."

If Cheney's office is not part of the executive branch, "they're going to have to rewrite the textbooks," Aftergood said.

So, if that is so and Cheney's office claims not to be covered by the executive order, then they are effectively suggesting that they are either not an entity of the executive branch or do not come into the possession of classified information. But what the hell would this administration care about expert opinion and facts? They've never ever given a first ** what subject matter experts suggest. Which is why this country is today where it is.

Lets read the story and then think about it for a minute. This is an "executive order", not a law. That means that the executive (Bush) can modify it as he wants. The first line of the story states "The White House on Friday defended Vice President ####### Cheney's decision not to cooperate with a government office charged with safeguarding national security information — and denied that Cheney ever suggested the agency be shut down.".

That means that the executive says it's OK for what Cheneys office did. Think people. Not everything is a scandal just because you want it to be.

The definition still stands. And according to that definition, the Veeps office is in scope.