Iran's small Zoroastrian community remembers 7th century Arab conquest of Persia

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Dressed in white to symbolize purity, a priest recited from the Zoroastrian holy book at a shrine as members of this ancient pre-Islamic religion marked what they see as one of the most bitter events in Iran's history: the 7th century Arab conquest of Persia.

The Arab invasion changed history for Persia, the ancient name for non-Arab Iran: Islam was imposed as the new religion, replacing Zoroastrianism, whose followers were dispersed.

Thousands of Zoroastrians — from Iran's small remaining community and from India, the United States and other countries — gathered at this mountain shrine this week for five days of ceremonies that ended Monday, commemorating the event.

Priest Goshtasb Belivani addressed the gathering, standing at the tall bronze doors of the shrine, built into a cliff-side cave where a heroine of the faith, Nikbanou, is said to have fled from the Arab assault.

"We have all gathered at this sacred place to pray Ahura Mazda," he said, using the Zoroastrians' name for God. "We are also here to remember Nikbanou and what happened to our ancestors by the Arab invaders."

Belivani spoke to the crowd in modern Farsi, before reciting the verses from the Avesta, the faith's holy book, in an ancient version of the language.

According to legend, Nikbanou, the youngest daughter of the last king of the Persian empire, took shelter in the mountain and prayed to Ahura Mazda for help from the attackers. Miraculously, the mountain opened up and gave her protection.

Near the shrine, a slowly dripping spring emerges from the mountain, giving the site its name — "Chak Chak" means "drip drip" in Persian. The legend says the spring is the mountain shedding tears in remembrance of Nikbanou. An immense tree stands nearby, said to have grown from Nikbanou's cane.

The legends regretting the invasion that brought Islam to this country highlight the unusual status of Zoroastrians in today's Iran — ruled by an Islamic government headed by clerics.

Since coming to power in the 1979 revolution, the Islamic Republic has tolerated the sect, giving it official status and guaranteeing a Zoroastrian seat in parliament. It also allows its members to practice their rites. For example, while the law forbids mixed dancing, Zoroastrian men and women are permitted to dance together and play music as part of their worship in special places like temples or covered buildings.

Still, the Zoroastrian community's numbers have dwindled to around 50,000, down from 300,000 in the 1970s, with many emigrating to the U.S.

Human rights reports say Zoroastrians — like members of Iran's small Jewish and Christian minorities — suffer some discrimination, kept out of some jobs. But many Zoroastrians left simply because of the general restrictions on all Iranian society imposed by the Islamic government.

Still, Zoroastrian traditions remain embedded in Iran, where the population of 70 million — overwhelmingly Shiite Muslim — take deep pride in their pre-Islamic civilization.

Every year, Iranians of all religions mark Chahar-Shanbe Suri, or the Wednesday feast, part of celebrations for the Persian New Year, in March. During the rites, Iranians light bonfires in the streets and jump over them and dance, hoping to put failures behind them — and the rite has persisted despite attempts by the ruling clerics to discourage it as un-Islamic.

"Zoroastrians are not a big population in Iran but our rituals remain widely respected not only in Iran but other parts of the world," said chief Zoroastrian priest Ardeshir Khorshidian.

At Chak Chak — also known by the name Pir-e Sabz, 550 kilometers southeast of the capital Tehran — the pilgrims crowded into pavilions set up at the base of the mountain, below the shrine in the cliff. Families sitting on rugs had picnics, while children danced and their parents attended prayers in the shrine.

"For many Zoroastrians, summer begins with a pilgrimage to Pir-e-Sabz," said Pedram Soroushpour. "This event is a symbol of Zoroastrians remaining loyal to their manners and rituals."

http://www.iht.com/articles/ap/2007/06/18/...oroastrians.php

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The numbers of 3 lakhs in 1970's seems rather high--the total population of Parsis worldwide then didn't exceed 2 lakhs, and of that the majority were (and are) in India.

[Jamie76 0]

One of my colleagues is Zoroastrian. I read a bit about the religion interestingly enough in art history. Seems Christianity got a number of "ideas" from Zoroastrianism. There also seems to be a lot of similarities between Jesus and Mithra.

[Trumplestiltskin 5,791]

Dressed in white to symbolize purity, a priest recited from the Zoroastrian holy book at a shrine as members of this ancient pre-Islamic religion marked what they see as one of the most bitter events in Iran's history: the 7th century Arab conquest of Persia.

The Arab invasion changed history for Persia, the ancient name for non-Arab Iran: Islam was imposed as the new religion, replacing Zoroastrianism, whose followers were dispersed.

Thousands of Zoroastrians — from Iran's small remaining community and from India, the United States and other countries — gathered at this mountain shrine this week for five days of ceremonies that ended Monday, commemorating the event.

Priest Goshtasb Belivani addressed the gathering, standing at the tall bronze doors of the shrine, built into a cliff-side cave where a heroine of the faith, Nikbanou, is said to have fled from the Arab assault.

"We have all gathered at this sacred place to pray Ahura Mazda," he said, using the Zoroastrians' name for God. "We are also here to remember Nikbanou and what happened to our ancestors by the Arab invaders."

Belivani spoke to the crowd in modern Farsi, before reciting the verses from the Avesta, the faith's holy book, in an ancient version of the language.

According to legend, Nikbanou, the youngest daughter of the last king of the Persian empire, took shelter in the mountain and prayed to Ahura Mazda for help from the attackers. Miraculously, the mountain opened up and gave her protection.

Near the shrine, a slowly dripping spring emerges from the mountain, giving the site its name — "Chak Chak" means "drip drip" in Persian. The legend says the spring is the mountain shedding tears in remembrance of Nikbanou. An immense tree stands nearby, said to have grown from Nikbanou's cane.

The legends regretting the invasion that brought Islam to this country highlight the unusual status of Zoroastrians in today's Iran — ruled by an Islamic government headed by clerics.

Since coming to power in the 1979 revolution, the Islamic Republic has tolerated the sect, giving it official status and guaranteeing a Zoroastrian seat in parliament. It also allows its members to practice their rites. For example, while the law forbids mixed dancing, Zoroastrian men and women are permitted to dance together and play music as part of their worship in special places like temples or covered buildings.

Still, the Zoroastrian community's numbers have dwindled to around 50,000, down from 300,000 in the 1970s, with many emigrating to the U.S.

Human rights reports say Zoroastrians — like members of Iran's small Jewish and Christian minorities — suffer some discrimination, kept out of some jobs. But many Zoroastrians left simply because of the general restrictions on all Iranian society imposed by the Islamic government.

Still, Zoroastrian traditions remain embedded in Iran, where the population of 70 million — overwhelmingly Shiite Muslim — take deep pride in their pre-Islamic civilization.

Every year, Iranians of all religions mark Chahar-Shanbe Suri, or the Wednesday feast, part of celebrations for the Persian New Year, in March. During the rites, Iranians light bonfires in the streets and jump over them and dance, hoping to put failures behind them — and the rite has persisted despite attempts by the ruling clerics to discourage it as un-Islamic.

"Zoroastrians are not a big population in Iran but our rituals remain widely respected not only in Iran but other parts of the world," said chief Zoroastrian priest Ardeshir Khorshidian.

At Chak Chak — also known by the name Pir-e Sabz, 550 kilometers southeast of the capital Tehran — the pilgrims crowded into pavilions set up at the base of the mountain, below the shrine in the cliff. Families sitting on rugs had picnics, while children danced and their parents attended prayers in the shrine.

"For many Zoroastrians, summer begins with a pilgrimage to Pir-e-Sabz," said Pedram Soroushpour. "This event is a symbol of Zoroastrians remaining loyal to their manners and rituals."

http://www.iht.com/articles/ap/2007/06/18/...oroastrians.php

That terrible 300 movie sprang to mind when I read that.

[one...two...tree 2,762]

One of my colleagues is Zoroastrian. I read a bit about the religion interestingly enough in art history. Seems Christianity got a number of "ideas" from Zoroastrianism. There also seems to be a lot of similarities between Jesus and Mithra.

I think it was the first religion to believe in monotheism.

Edited June 18, 2007 by Steven_and_Jinky

[Trumplestiltskin 5,791]

One of my colleagues is Zoroastrian. I read a bit about the religion interestingly enough in art history. Seems Christianity got a number of "ideas" from Zoroastrianism. There also seems to be a lot of similarities between Jesus and Mithra.

I think it was the first religion to believe in monotheism.

I have a soft spot for polytheism (the free market capitalist formof religion). A man should have a choice of Devils to whom he can sell his soul

[one...two...tree 2,762]

One of my colleagues is Zoroastrian. I read a bit about the religion interestingly enough in art history. Seems Christianity got a number of "ideas" from Zoroastrianism. There also seems to be a lot of similarities between Jesus and Mithra.

I think it was the first religion to believe in monotheism.

I have a soft spot for polytheism (the free market capitalist formof religion). A man should have a choice of Devils to whom he can sell his soul

Not according to Gary North...

The Bible mandates free market capitalism. It is anti-socialist. The proof is here: over 8,000 pages of exposition, verse by verse. Free.

http://www.garynorth.com/public/department57.cfm

[Trumplestiltskin 5,791]

Well they didn't really have socialism back to use as a political model.

[one...two...tree 2,762]

Well they didn't really have socialism back to use as a political model.

I thought his supposition was a bit preposterous.

[Trumplestiltskin 5,791]

Well they didn't really have socialism back to use as a political model.

I thought his supposition was a bit preposterous.

They didn't have democracy either - except in a theoretical sense (except from the Greeks, who by then had been conquered by the Romans).

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One of my colleagues is Zoroastrian. I read a bit about the religion interestingly enough in art history. Seems Christianity got a number of "ideas" from Zoroastrianism. There also seems to be a lot of similarities between Jesus and Mithra.

I think it was the first religion to believe in monotheism.

Considering the earliest estimates for the beginning of Zoroastrianism put it around the 9th or 10th centuries B.C., it would not be the first monotheistic religion. Judaism began in the 15th century B.C., and even if you take the 13th century date for the Exodus which many liberal scholars prefer, that still places it several centuries before Zoroastrianism. And if Abraham as the father of Israel is considered, that would put monotheism back to 2000 B.C.

[one...two...tree 2,762]

One of my colleagues is Zoroastrian. I read a bit about the religion interestingly enough in art history. Seems Christianity got a number of "ideas" from Zoroastrianism. There also seems to be a lot of similarities between Jesus and Mithra.

I think it was the first religion to believe in monotheism.

Considering the earliest estimates for the beginning of Zoroastrianism put it around the 9th or 10th centuries B.C., it would not be the first monotheistic religion. Judaism began in the 15th century B.C., and even if you take the 13th century date for the Exodus which many liberal scholars prefer, that still places it several centuries before Zoroastrianism. And if Abraham as the father of Israel is considered, that would put monotheism back to 2000 B.C.

We were taught that Judaism started out as polytheistic religion and if I remember correctly, Zoroastrianism's belief in a universal God was adopted by the Jews.

[Scott & Lai 12]

One of my colleagues is Zoroastrian. I read a bit about the religion interestingly enough in art history. Seems Christianity got a number of "ideas" from Zoroastrianism. There also seems to be a lot of similarities between Jesus and Mithra.

I think it was the first religion to believe in monotheism.

Considering the earliest estimates for the beginning of Zoroastrianism put it around the 9th or 10th centuries B.C., it would not be the first monotheistic religion. Judaism began in the 15th century B.C., and even if you take the 13th century date for the Exodus which many liberal scholars prefer, that still places it several centuries before Zoroastrianism. And if Abraham as the father of Israel is considered, that would put monotheism back to 2000 B.C.

We were taught that Judaism started out as polytheistic religion and if I remember correctly, Zoroastrianism's belief in a universal God was adopted by the Jews.

Well, the Jews would have had contact with Zoroastrians during the captivity in Babylon (which explains the presence of the Magi at Christ's birth five centuries later). But the Torah, written down by Moses in the 15th century B.C., is clearly monotheistic, as are the prophets. As it is in the shema in Deuteronomy, "Hear, O, Israel, the Yaweh our God, Yaweh alone." And of course, the First Commandment, "You shall have no other gods." (literally, "You shall have no other gods in my face" Who knew God was an Italian New Yorker ) Not that the people always had a clue in that area, though, as they often forsook the truth they were given and worshipped other gods in spite of the command to have no other gods. And even the prophet Jonah apparently didn't quite comprehend God's universality, considering he thought he could escape God by fleeing to Spain.

One of my colleagues is Zoroastrian. I read a bit about the religion interestingly enough in art history. Seems Christianity got a number of "ideas" from Zoroastrianism. There also seems to be a lot of similarities between Jesus and Mithra.

I think it was the first religion to believe in monotheism.

Considering the earliest estimates for the beginning of Zoroastrianism put it around the 9th or 10th centuries B.C., it would not be the first monotheistic religion. Judaism began in the 15th century B.C., and even if you take the 13th century date for the Exodus which many liberal scholars prefer, that still places it several centuries before Zoroastrianism. And if Abraham as the father of Israel is considered, that would put monotheism back to 2000 B.C.

We were taught that Judaism started out as polytheistic religion and if I remember correctly, Zoroastrianism's belief in a universal God was adopted by the Jews.

Well, the Jews would have had contact with Zoroastrians during the captivity in Babylon (which explains the presence of the Magi at Christ's birth five centuries later). But the Torah, written down by Moses in the 15th century B.C., is clearly monotheistic, as are the prophets. As it is in the shema in Deuteronomy, "Hear, O, Israel, the Yaweh our God, Yaweh alone." And of course, the First Commandment, "You shall have no other gods." (literally, "You shall have no other gods in my face" Who knew God was an Italian New Yorker ) Not that the people always had a clue in that area, though, as they often forsook the truth they were given and worshipped other gods in spite of the command to have no other gods. And even the prophet Jonah apparently didn't quite comprehend God's universality, considering he thought he could escape God by fleeing to Spain.

[one...two...tree 2,762]

"Any woman who has given up her body to two men in one day is sooner to be killed than a wolf, lion, or snake."

http://books.google.com/books?id=YXneJGbmX...gJ-gBL1u4gRJA5k

Zoroaster probably never saw a Jenna Jamison movie.

[Jamie76 0]

"Well, the Jews would have had contact with Zoroastrians during the captivity in Babylon (which explains the presence of the Magi at Christ's birth five centuries later). But the Torah, written down by Moses in the 15th century B.C., is clearly monotheistic, as are the prophets. As it is in the shema in Deuteronomy, "Hear, O, Israel, the Yaweh our God, Yaweh alone." And of course, the First Commandment, "You shall have no other gods." (literally, "You shall have no other gods in my face" Who knew God was an Italian New Yorker ) Not that the people always had a clue in that area, though, as they often forsook the truth they were given and worshipped other gods in spite of the command to have no other gods. And even the prophet Jonah apparently didn't quite comprehend God's universality, considering he thought he could escape God by fleeing to Spain."

I hope the OP doesn't mind the posts going a bit off topic....

Actually there is some evidence that Moses and the Hebrews received his ideas on monotheism during his time in Egypt. The Pharoah Akhenaten's religion Atenism was the worlds first attempt at monotheism. There have been a few historians that have tried to say Moses and Akhenaten are one in the same....Freud of all people was the first to make this claim.

Edited June 19, 2007 by Jamie76