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There is now a U.S. preclearance facility at the Abu Dhabi, UAE airport. My family and I are taking a non-stop, direct flight from Abu Dhabi to an airport on the east coast. We will be able to take advantage of the preclearance services for our trip and this will be the POE trip for my wife and stepson.

I was thinking about how the preclearance process works, and from what I've read, you are stamped into the U.S. for both immigration and customs purposes, which means my wife and stepson's green cards would be activated at that point.

What happens if the flight gets canceled until the following day? I realize they would have to clear the preclearance again, but the process would be different because they would have already had their immigration packets taken.

Anyone ever experience this type of scenario?

 

 

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05/28/2014 - POE (U.S. Customs and Immigration Overseas Preclearance Facility - Abu Dhabi)
08/20/2014 - Green Card received.

Naturalization Process

01/20/2015 - Submitted N-400 for immediate naturalization under INA 319b.

02/10/2015 - Check cashed.

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04/07/2015 - Case shipped to local field office.

04/08/2015 - Interview scheduled for July 6, 2015.

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I haven't been in that situation, but I wouldn't worry about it.

Your wife's and stepson's passports will be stamped with the temp green card stamp, the i-551, which is valid for a year from the date of them entering in the US. Even though they are still in the UAE, as soon as they go through US pre-clearance, it is as if they are standing on US soil, if that makes sense.

If the flight is cancelled, and they are placed on a flight that departs the next day for example, and they need to enter back into the UAE and then the next day have to go through US pre-clearance, they will be processed as permanent residents.

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Posted

I haven't been in that situation, but I wouldn't worry about it.

Your wife's and stepson's passports will be stamped with the temp green card stamp, the i-551, which is valid for a year from the date of them entering in the US. Even though they are still in the UAE, as soon as they go through US pre-clearance, it is as if they are standing on US soil, if that makes sense.

If the flight is cancelled, and they are placed on a flight that departs the next day for example, and they need to enter back into the UAE and then the next day have to go through US pre-clearance, they will be processed as permanent residents.

That is also what I was thinking; I just wasn't sure about it.

So just hypothetical here, let's say that happened, but for whatever reason we decided to fly weeks or months later instead of the next day.

Our situation is an exception to the normal process, as we fall under the INA 319b. (Expedited Naturalization) because of my job overseas, which means all the physical presence time standards are waived. The rules are somewhat different if you fall under the INA 319b. guidelines. We can submit their N-400 almost immediately after POE - although I've a bit fuzzy on whether or not we have to wait until we receive their official Green Card in the mail.

According to the rules of the preclearance facilities, specifically that they have now gone through their POE and are by definition LPR's, I should be able to immediately file their naturalization petitions - all the immigration documents I've read seem to point to this being technically within the law.

That would be a strange but interesting situation.

 

 

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3/10/2013 - Married

Green Card Process Summary
3/25/2013 - Submitted I-130's
01/13/2014 - Embassy Interview - Approved!
05/28/2014 - POE (U.S. Customs and Immigration Overseas Preclearance Facility - Abu Dhabi)
08/20/2014 - Green Card received.

Naturalization Process

01/20/2015 - Submitted N-400 for immediate naturalization under INA 319b.

02/10/2015 - Check cashed.

02/14/2015 - NOA

04/07/2015 - Case shipped to local field office.

04/08/2015 - Interview scheduled for July 6, 2015.

04/08/2015 - Wifey better be studying her butt off for the citizenship test!

07/08/2015 - Wifey was studying her butt off and passed the test easily. Oath ceremony completed on same day! We are done with our journey!

 

 

 

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We went through preclearance before at Dublin. You go through normal security and US Customs will be before your gate section, so you'll go through preclearance whenever you're about to board the flight, no matter if it's postponed or not.

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-(then fiance) H-2B work visa application terminated due to qualification difficulties in Aug. 2010.

-(then fiance) B-2 tourist visa denied due to lack of strong ties to Germany in Sept. 2010.
-Third ESTA denied due to his suspiscious visa status on Oct. 15, 2012.
-B-2 tourist visa approved on Nov. 16, 2012!

 

(IR-1 Journey):

 

 

-Extended German residence permit obtained Aug. 23, 2014. (to qualify for DCF)

-Husband's new German passport picked up Aug. 28, 2014. (Old one expires 2015)

-I-130 packet sent to Frankfurt (DCF) Aug. 29, 2014!

-NOA1 issued Sept. 9, 2014 (received Sept.13)

-RFE regarding evidence of bona fide marriage received along with NOA1

-RFE reply packet sent to Frankfurt Sept. 30, 2014

-E-mail response (NOA2) received by USCIS Frankfurt on Oct. 23, 2014 (Petition APPROVED Oct. 20!!!) :dancing:

-Paper NOA2 received in the mail Oct. 29, 2014

-Case number assigned by IV unit Oct. 30, 2014 (Received by email Nov. 3)

-Paper "Packet 3" arrived in mail Nov. 4, 2014

-DS-260 and Document Delivery Registration submitted to Frankfurt Nov. 4, 2014

-Mailed in priority date request found on Packet 3 to IV Unit Nov. 5, 2014

-IV ("Packet 3") package sent to Frankfurt Nov. 17, 2014

-Medical completed by Frankfurt panel physician Nov. 17, 2014

-Received "Packet 4" via e-mail Nov. 20, 2014

-Interview booked for Dec. 3, 2014 (booked Nov. 21, 2014 after email authorization received)
-Visa approved, issued AND picked up by the courier all within 7 hours, Dec. 3, 2014
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-Visa packet arrived in the mail Dec. 4, 2014

-Visa packet had to be returned to Frankfurt for correction on Immigrant Data Summary sheet (wrong birthplace listed) Dec. 5, 2014

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-POE (through Dublin, Ireland) Jan. 18, 2015

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-Social security card arrived within 2 weeks after applying in person/green card arrived within 30 days after entering U.S.

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Posted

We went through preclearance before at Dublin. You go through normal security and US Customs will be before your gate section, so you'll go through preclearance whenever you're about to board the flight, no matter if it's postponed or not.

How do they manage to process everyone immediately before boarding the flight?

I doubt the flight would have more than maybe 10-15% of the seats filled with people with new immigration documents. Even with that minimal amount, it would still take quite awhile to process all those people, unless there is a seperate customs preclearance and immigration preclearance.

The airline advised us to arrive at the airport 4hrs prior to the flight, because the preclearance can sometimes take hours - similar to clearing immigration upon arrival at the U.S. POE.

 

 

Click Spoiler for signature timeline.

 

3/10/2013 - Married

Green Card Process Summary
3/25/2013 - Submitted I-130's
01/13/2014 - Embassy Interview - Approved!
05/28/2014 - POE (U.S. Customs and Immigration Overseas Preclearance Facility - Abu Dhabi)
08/20/2014 - Green Card received.

Naturalization Process

01/20/2015 - Submitted N-400 for immediate naturalization under INA 319b.

02/10/2015 - Check cashed.

02/14/2015 - NOA

04/07/2015 - Case shipped to local field office.

04/08/2015 - Interview scheduled for July 6, 2015.

04/08/2015 - Wifey better be studying her butt off for the citizenship test!

07/08/2015 - Wifey was studying her butt off and passed the test easily. Oath ceremony completed on same day! We are done with our journey!

 

 

 

Filed: Citizen (pnd) Country: Germany
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At Dublin it didn't take so long simply because of a vast majority of passengers being either USC's or travelling with ESTA's. You get off your plane in the US and go get your bags and leave the airport. All it is is you going through the US borders before boarding your flight. I personally found it so much easier and when it's time for my husband to emmigrate we're going to fly through Dublin again as it puts your mind at ease knowing you're already "in the US".

Myself: US citizen; Husband: German citizen

TransferWise Invitation Link: (first wire transfer is free) https://transferwise.com/u/eec50

(B-2 Journey):

 

 

-(then fiance) H-2B work visa application terminated due to qualification difficulties in Aug. 2010.

-(then fiance) B-2 tourist visa denied due to lack of strong ties to Germany in Sept. 2010.
-Third ESTA denied due to his suspiscious visa status on Oct. 15, 2012.
-B-2 tourist visa approved on Nov. 16, 2012!

 

(IR-1 Journey):

 

 

-Extended German residence permit obtained Aug. 23, 2014. (to qualify for DCF)

-Husband's new German passport picked up Aug. 28, 2014. (Old one expires 2015)

-I-130 packet sent to Frankfurt (DCF) Aug. 29, 2014!

-NOA1 issued Sept. 9, 2014 (received Sept.13)

-RFE regarding evidence of bona fide marriage received along with NOA1

-RFE reply packet sent to Frankfurt Sept. 30, 2014

-E-mail response (NOA2) received by USCIS Frankfurt on Oct. 23, 2014 (Petition APPROVED Oct. 20!!!) :dancing:

-Paper NOA2 received in the mail Oct. 29, 2014

-Case number assigned by IV unit Oct. 30, 2014 (Received by email Nov. 3)

-Paper "Packet 3" arrived in mail Nov. 4, 2014

-DS-260 and Document Delivery Registration submitted to Frankfurt Nov. 4, 2014

-Mailed in priority date request found on Packet 3 to IV Unit Nov. 5, 2014

-IV ("Packet 3") package sent to Frankfurt Nov. 17, 2014

-Medical completed by Frankfurt panel physician Nov. 17, 2014

-Received "Packet 4" via e-mail Nov. 20, 2014

-Interview booked for Dec. 3, 2014 (booked Nov. 21, 2014 after email authorization received)
-Visa approved, issued AND picked up by the courier all within 7 hours, Dec. 3, 2014
:dance:

-Visa packet arrived in the mail Dec. 4, 2014

-Visa packet had to be returned to Frankfurt for correction on Immigrant Data Summary sheet (wrong birthplace listed) Dec. 5, 2014

-Corrected visa packet received in the mail Dec. 11, 2014

-$165 Immigrant fee paid Dec. 11, 2014

-POE (through Dublin, Ireland) Jan. 18, 2015

-Registered manually for social security Jan. 27, 2015

-Social security card arrived within 2 weeks after applying in person/green card arrived within 30 days after entering U.S.

kXYGp1.png

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Stupid thread won't let me edit. I was going ot add I'd definitely follow the advice of the UAE airport and get there extra early. I'm sure the preclearance customs there has a much, much higher number of passengers to check than in Dublin. (Many of those without ESTA's, which slows it down)

Myself: US citizen; Husband: German citizen

TransferWise Invitation Link: (first wire transfer is free) https://transferwise.com/u/eec50

(B-2 Journey):

 

 

-(then fiance) H-2B work visa application terminated due to qualification difficulties in Aug. 2010.

-(then fiance) B-2 tourist visa denied due to lack of strong ties to Germany in Sept. 2010.
-Third ESTA denied due to his suspiscious visa status on Oct. 15, 2012.
-B-2 tourist visa approved on Nov. 16, 2012!

 

(IR-1 Journey):

 

 

-Extended German residence permit obtained Aug. 23, 2014. (to qualify for DCF)

-Husband's new German passport picked up Aug. 28, 2014. (Old one expires 2015)

-I-130 packet sent to Frankfurt (DCF) Aug. 29, 2014!

-NOA1 issued Sept. 9, 2014 (received Sept.13)

-RFE regarding evidence of bona fide marriage received along with NOA1

-RFE reply packet sent to Frankfurt Sept. 30, 2014

-E-mail response (NOA2) received by USCIS Frankfurt on Oct. 23, 2014 (Petition APPROVED Oct. 20!!!) :dancing:

-Paper NOA2 received in the mail Oct. 29, 2014

-Case number assigned by IV unit Oct. 30, 2014 (Received by email Nov. 3)

-Paper "Packet 3" arrived in mail Nov. 4, 2014

-DS-260 and Document Delivery Registration submitted to Frankfurt Nov. 4, 2014

-Mailed in priority date request found on Packet 3 to IV Unit Nov. 5, 2014

-IV ("Packet 3") package sent to Frankfurt Nov. 17, 2014

-Medical completed by Frankfurt panel physician Nov. 17, 2014

-Received "Packet 4" via e-mail Nov. 20, 2014

-Interview booked for Dec. 3, 2014 (booked Nov. 21, 2014 after email authorization received)
-Visa approved, issued AND picked up by the courier all within 7 hours, Dec. 3, 2014
:dance:

-Visa packet arrived in the mail Dec. 4, 2014

-Visa packet had to be returned to Frankfurt for correction on Immigrant Data Summary sheet (wrong birthplace listed) Dec. 5, 2014

-Corrected visa packet received in the mail Dec. 11, 2014

-$165 Immigrant fee paid Dec. 11, 2014

-POE (through Dublin, Ireland) Jan. 18, 2015

-Registered manually for social security Jan. 27, 2015

-Social security card arrived within 2 weeks after applying in person/green card arrived within 30 days after entering U.S.

kXYGp1.png

 
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