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The article says that the plain-clothes officers "knocked and announced" their presence before entering, so it's not like it was a surprise, or they used a battering ram to forcibly knock down her door. She knew who was coming in and why. The fact that used a firearm and shot three of the officers suggests that she understood the implications of the police being there and felt threatened.

Yeah, because we know that all 92 year old ladies can hear perfectly well.

If you had trouble hearing, it was night/late afternoon, and all you heard was your door crashing in - followed by three guys in normal clothes and holding guns, what would YOU do?

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The article says that the plain-clothes officers "knocked and announced" their presence before entering, so it's not like it was a surprise, or they used a battering ram to forcibly knock down her door. She knew who was coming in and why. The fact that used a firearm and shot three of the officers suggests that she understood the implications of the police being there and felt threatened.

Yeah, because we know that all 92 year old ladies can hear perfectly well.

If you had trouble hearing, it was night/late afternoon, and all you heard was your door crashing in - followed by three guys in normal clothes and holding guns, what would YOU do?

Hey, look, she was obviously in pretty good condition. She actually shot three of the officers! Shooting at someone is one thing; hitting them is another. That's not easy to do, especially if you're geriatric and you're in an intense situation. So I wouldn't downplay this old woman's abilities. She was in control of herself and I'm betting she could hear the police announce themselves as well -- it probably just gave her time to go get (and arm) her gun.

If she didn't hear the warning/announcement, then yes...I can definitely see why she'd shoot the plain-clothes officers.

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The article says that the plain-clothes officers "knocked and announced" their presence before entering, so it's not like it was a surprise, or they used a battering ram to forcibly knock down her door. She knew who was coming in and why. The fact that used a firearm and shot three of the officers suggests that she understood the implications of the police being there and felt threatened.

Yeah, because we know that all 92 year old ladies can hear perfectly well.

If you had trouble hearing, it was night/late afternoon, and all you heard was your door crashing in - followed by three guys in normal clothes and holding guns, what would YOU do?

Exactly! I'm 21 and I can sleep through almost anything. Some people "knocking and annoucing" would most likely not wake me up, even if I was just taking a daytime nap. But a bunch of men knocking my door down... THAT would wake me up. So all I would see is men with guns coming at me and I wouldn't know who they were... I'd fight them with everything I had. Even if they told me they were cops I wouldn't believe them til I could call 911 and the operator told me that themself - badges can, and have, been faked. A bunch of men barging into my bedroom with guns could've been anything, including idiots with fake badges wanting to loot my house and do something horrible to me.

And that's with me being 21... I can't imagine being in that situation as a 92 year old.

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But what if it hadn't been the police who knocked down her door?

To make it worse, they were plain-clothes cops... it's not like she could even see cops in uniforms, all the poor old lady saw was a bunch of men knocking down her door. There's no way she could've known that they were cops.

Well, except for the fact that they yelled "Police!" as they did so. But I suppose that doesn't count as a way for her to know?

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Does any of this matter? My god, a 92 year old woman is dead now!! No one will ever know what went through her mind those last few moments. No one will really know why she fired. There will only be speculations aplenty. I guess I'm just too dam compassionate...I've been accused of it before. I can't imagine what that poor lady's last few moments were like. *sigh* How sad........

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But what if it hadn't been the police who knocked down her door?

To make it worse, they were plain-clothes cops... it's not like she could even see cops in uniforms, all the poor old lady saw was a bunch of men knocking down her door. There's no way she could've known that they were cops.

Well, except for the fact that they yelled "Police!" as they did so. But I suppose that doesn't count as a way for her to know?

Anyone can "Police!" ... you think a rapist or murderer is worried about impersonating a cop? remember that.

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Informant in shooting says he never bought drugs at house

He says police asked him to lie

By RHONDA COOK

The Atlanta Journal-Constitution

Published on: 11/27/06

An informant who narcotics officers say led them to the house where an elderly woman was killed in a drug raid is accusing the officers of asking him to lie about his role, Atlanta police Chief Richard Pennington said Monday.

The informant, who has not been identified, complained to department officials that the drug investigators involved in the bust had asked him to go along with a story they concocted after the shooting, said Pennington. He said the informant had been placed in protective custody.

The informant told an Atlanta television station that the officers asked him to lie to provide them cover in the shooting.

Pennington confirmed the television station's account of what the informant had claimed and said it mirrored what the informant had told his Internal Affairs Unit over the weekend.

"The informant said he had no knowledge of going into that house and purchasing drugs," Pennington said. "We don't know if he's telling the truth."

All seven narcotics investigators involved in the raid have been suspended with pay pending the outcome of the investigation, Pennington said. Their names were not made public.

"The complete truth will be known," Pennington said.

After nearly a week of unanswered questions prompted by the northwest Atlanta shooting of Kathryn Johnston, the chief on Monday called for an unusual multi-agency review of the incident.

Pennington announced the investigation at a news conference that featured officials from the U.S. attorney's office, the FBI, the Georgia Bureau of Investigation and the Fulton County district attorney.

David Nahmias, the U.S. attorney in Atlanta, said federal agents "come to this investigation with an open mind" but he cautioned that anyone who lies could face federal charges.

"No one should get in the way of the truth," Nahmias said.

Johnston was shot to death last Tuesday night as the drug investigators burst into her house at 933 Neal Street. Johnston was shot twice in the chest by the officers, who have said that they were returning her fire. The 88-year-old woman - whose age was originally thought to be 92 - wounded three of the officers with a rusty revolver her niece had bought for her aunt's protection. One officer was hit three times, including once in the center of his bullet-proof vest, while the other two where shot once each. None of their wounds were life threatening.

Police officials have said the officers went to Johnston's small brick house after the informant purchased drugs there from a man identified only as "Sam." Police have obtained an arrest warrant for Sam.

In a court affidavit released Monday, Jason R. Smith, an Atlanta narcotics officer, said that the informant had used $50 of city money to buy crack cocaine from Sam at the house at 933 Neal Street. Smith, who could not be reached for comment Monday night, described the informant as a reliable source of information who has helped police make drug arrests in the past.

In the affidavit, Smith said Sam greeted the informant at the front door and spoke briefly to him on the porch. Sam disappeared into the house and reappeared with two bags of crack cocaine, which the informant later turned over to the officers, according to the affidavit. Smith's statement also said that the informant had alleged that Sam had installed surveillance cameras at the house and monitored them constantly.

Smith's affidavit was sufficient to persuade Fulton County Magistrate Kimberly Warden to sign a warrant allowing the officers to enter the house without knocking on the door. Smith asked for the special "no knock" authorization because of the possibility that officers would be injured or evidence would be destroyed. Warden signed the warrant shortly before 6 p.m., about an hour before the shooting.

However, the informant has since denied to police and a local television station that he purchased the drugs. He also said there was no person named Sam.

The informant, who said he worked with Atlanta police for four years, also told WAGA-TV that he hadn't been to 933 Neal Street. His identity hidden, he told the TV station that one of the drug officers called him soon after the shooting with instructions.

Quoting the police officers, the informant told Fox 5 News: " 'This is what you need to do. You need to cover our (rear). ... It's all on you man. ... You need to tell them about this Sam dude.' "

Pennington said investigators were trying to determine the truth. "I don't know if he went in or not," he said.

Many questions and conflicting accounts have surfaced since police shot the woman, described by neighbors as feeble and afraid to open her door after dark. At first police said that the drug buy was made by undercover police, but later they said the purchase was made by an informant. Early on, police said narcotics were found at the house after the shooting, but on Sunday investigators said they had found only a small amount of marijuana, which police don't consider narcotics.

Also, even though the affidavit said that the house was outfitted with surveillance cameras, Pennington said the informant had told internal affairs investigators that police officers had asked him to lie about the cameras. Pennington could not confirm whether the cameras existed.

From the beginning, it has been unclear why police targeted the house on Neal Street, and the affidavit and warrant documents shed little light. The documents do not suggest that police had been keeping the house under surveillance and provide no rationale for entering it other than the informant's alleged buy earlier in the afternoon. The raid did not produce the cocaine, money, computers and other equipment related to the drug business alleged in the affidavit. The documents listed the only resident as Sam, who was described as at least 6 feet tall and 250 to 260 pounds. Johnston's family said she lived alone.

Court officials initially refused to release the affidavits and search warrant even though state law makes such records available immediately. The documents were made public Monday, nearly a week after the incident.

"There are many unanswered questions," said Pennington, who returned Sunday after being out of town for the Thanksgiving holiday when the shooting occurred.

Mayor Shirley Franklin, who has said little about the shooting, said she had discussed the allegations with Pennington. Franklin said the chief has "my confidence that they will be transparent and honest and very thorough in their review. ...

"I certainly share the concern that all of us have on the loss of life," Franklin said. "We were not expecting something like that could happen in the city of Atlanta."

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