Immigrant Job Numbers Grow

[Mr. Big Dog 10,747]

There are no scapegoats. The facts speak for themselves.

What facts? That foreign-born workers gained jobs while native-born workers did not? I'm a foreign-born worker. As is my wife. And yet, we're both US citizens. Should I somehow get to the back of the line because I don't have a US birth certificate? Will your wife have to line up behind me as well? And the spouse of every VJ member? Is that what you're saying?

[Zero Sum 305]

Maybe some of those 'natives' should better qualify themselves for many of those jobs that are going to immigrants. Imperfect system and all, H1B jobs still are supposed to go through a domestic availability test for many positions.

[peejay 327]

What facts? That foreign-born workers gained jobs while native-born workers did not? I'm a foreign-born worker. As is my wife. And yet, we're both US citizens. Should I somehow get to the back of the line because I don't have a US birth certificate? Will your wife have to line up behind me as well? And the spouse of every VJ member? Is that what you're saying?

I think the main point of the article was not to slam foreign born workers that are already here (excepting illegals), but to point out that it is bad policy to continue granting work visas when the job market does not warrant it. The example being the part I highlighted in red. I can't help it if that upsets you.

[^_^ 5,021]

There are certain niche specialties where it's still warranted to bring in foreign labor. But those niches are small, we don't need nearly the numbers we're getting.

[Zero Sum 305]

I think the main point of the article was not to slam foreign born workers that are already here (excepting illegals), but to point out that it is bad policy to continue granting work visas when the job market does not warrant it. The example being the part I highlighted in red. I can't help it if that upsets you.

For the most part the point you just made isn't bad policy.

[peejay 327]

For the most part the point you just made isn't bad policy.

Why not? Importing foreign workers when US unemployment is high? Flooding the job market?

Why do you seem to believe that is good policy that benefits the vast majority of Americans?

Throwing out one liners just to disagree and then saying nothing else doesn't prove anything.

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the point you just made isn't bad policy

isn't disagreement

[peejay 327]

the point you just made isn't bad policy

isn't disagreement

One liners suck in that they are not clear. What exactly isn't bad policy? What exactly is good policy?

[Mr. Big Dog 10,747]

I think the main point of the article was not to slam foreign born workers that are already here (excepting illegals), but to point out that it is bad policy to continue granting work visas when the job market does not warrant it. The example being the part I highlighted in red. I can't help it if that upsets you.

If that was the point, then there's nothing upsetting about it. What's upsetting is that people can't properly express what they're allegedly trying to say.

[Zero Sum 305]

Why not? Importing foreign workers when US unemployment is high? Flooding the job market?

Why do you seem to believe that is good policy that benefits the vast majority of Americans?

Throwing out one liners just to disagree and then saying nothing else doesn't prove anything.

Indeed, am not in disagreement with you.

[Zero Sum 305]

But perhaps considering that some of these visas are supposed to be used for high-demand positions that not all would qualify for based on background, education, etc...

And on the opposite side you have low-skilled visas too, and that's where you can definitely target and see if Americans are willing to spend 8-10 hours/day in the tomato fields on a seasonal basis.

[Mr. Big Dog 10,747]

And on the opposite side you have low-skilled visas too, and that's where you can definitely target and see if Americans are willing to spend 8-10 hours/day in the tomato fields on a seasonal basis.

Supply and demand sets the price - this applies to the labor market same as any other. Them tomatos will be picked - maybe not as cheaply but they will be picked.

[Zero Sum 305]

I know I would have probably done it back in the day, but probably not most posters on this site would. Of course, I assume some things that may be more stereotypical than factual.

[Mr. Big Dog 10,747]

I know I would have probably done it back in the day, but probably not most posters on this site would. Of course, I assume some things that may be more stereotypical than factual.

I've done all kinds of jobs growing up and working my way through high school, college and grad school. And I've worked with regular full time employees in some of these jobs that were just not up to doing other things - for a variety of reasons. There is always a workforce out there to work in what many might consider the less desirable jobs. An industry can increase and decrease the available workforce by - among other things - pushing the compensation up to increase the available pool of workers or down to decrease the available pool of workers. Yes, it's a bit more complex than that and there are other mechanism available and other factors at play but you get the idea.

[mawilson 2,133]

What facts? That foreign-born workers gained jobs while native-born workers did not? I'm a foreign-born worker. As is my wife. And yet, we're both US citizens. Should I somehow get to the back of the line because I don't have a US birth certificate? Will your wife have to line up behind me as well? And the spouse of every VJ member? Is that what you're saying?

If you're a US citizen, how would they even know you're foreign-born?

I never had to show my birth certificate to anyone except USCIS and the passport office.