Public Doesn't Want Healthcare Reform to Die

[Mr. Big Dog 10,747]

your dream of everyone having medical coverage on someone elses dime is dead.

Firstly, I've never had such a dream and secondly, no such thing was actually proposed. But keep on fighting that strawman if that is what floats your boat.

[SMOKE 1,426]

There was never anything about free healthcare coverage. Thats just your delusion. Your not helping the solving any problems by hanging on to it.

when we provide subsidies to everyone that 'can't afford' it....or choose to buy cable tv & cell phones instead.... we are providing free healthcare. you living w/ your head up your a$$ & repeating the dems talking points isn't changing the fact. the American people do not want washington in their doctors office.

Firstly, I've never had such a dream and secondly, no such thing was actually proposed. But keep on fighting that strawman if that is what floats your boat.

keep lying to yourself. you know single payer is right around the corner if the dems get their way.

[Mr. Big Dog 10,747]

when we provide subsidies to everyone that 'can't afford' it....or choose to buy cable tv & cell phones instead.... we are providing free healthcare. you living w/ your head up your a$$ & repeating the dems talking points isn't changing the fact.

Don't look now but we're doing that today paying for the most expensive care there is - the ER. Who do you think foots that bill? Yes, those that buy insurance and the taxpayer at large. I'd rather folks see a doctor @ $150.00 than head to the ER @ $1,500.00 and up.

the American people do not want washington in their doctors office.

More strawmen to fight? Nobody was going to send Washington into anyone's doctor's office. Is Washington in the doctor's office when Seniors go to see their doc? Of course not. What the American people don't want is profit oriented insurance bureaucrats making their health care decisions.

[Dan J 277]

when we provide subsidies to everyone that 'can't afford' it....or choose to buy cable tv & cell phones instead.... we are providing free healthcare. you living w/ your head up your a$$ & repeating the dems talking points isn't changing the fact. the American people do not want washington in their doctors office.

keep lying to yourself. you know single payer is right around the corner if the dems get their way.

We do, its call, dial 911 and get an ambulance. You don't have to pay for it, but someone does. Unless you want to put an end to public emergency response, we will have people getting care who will never pay for it. Now you can keep doing that, and pay for it inefficiently through higher care costs, or you can cover everyone and more people will be paying a share of this public service.

Of course some people are going to be subsidized, thats a given, but many more will be able to afford insurance who cannot not, and that will benefit everyone.

Who would you rather have in the doctors office, Joe CEO who is figuring how much he can get away with charging you, so he can go home with his multi million dollar bonus, or the government who will provide care at a price you can afford.

[SMOKE 1,426]

Don't look now but we're doing that today paying for the most expensive care there is

wrong- my employer provides me w/ healthcare coverage & i like my healthcare coverage. i don't want nancy & harry changing that.

Edited February 10, 2010 by SMOKE

[one...two...tree 2,762]

repeating my health care reform rant:

i wonder if those that are not in favor of health/insurance reform work for themselves. i wonder if they have EVER faced an insurance company as an individual rather than through a group plan offer by a multinational company. i wonder if they know what it feels like to be denied or to get a quote for a monthly premium that exceeds their budget.

when i think of health care reform, i think about how america's employment has changed. i'm too lazy to look up the numbers (labor department probably has them), but self employment probably has grown by many 100s of percent.

the self-employed have lots of problems getting insurance if they have any pre-existing conditions. also, if they need to insure their family, if anyone in the family has a pre-existing medical condition, the whole family is at risk.

industries that used to hire employees now contract with the self employed or very small companies for "the job" these days. even the person that comes to turn on my cable TV (if i ever did such a thing) is contracted so the cable company doesn't have to hire and thus provide benefits. often the big companies contract with companies that are small and those companies don't offer insurance or any other benefits to their employees.

just saying, i favor health/insurance reform because the way people are employed in the US has changed. the foundation for the current health coverage model has collapsed.

Well said.

[Dan J 277]

wrong- my employer provides me w/ healthcare coverage & i like my healthcare coverage. i don't want nancy & harry changing that.

Unless you happen to be in upper management, or an executive, I will bet that within the next ten years, your employer will drop your coverage, or several reduce it to make it useless. All you have to do is look at the trends and figure out when the breaking point will be for your company on rising premiums.

[Mr. Big Dog 10,747]

wrong- my employer provides me w/ healthcare coverage & i like my healthcare coverage. i don't want nancy & harry changing that.

Dodging the issue at hand again? You employer sponsored coverage pays for the ER treatment of the uninsured. Today. You want to continue that when there are viable options to lower that cost to you by providing more people with the option to see a doc rather than going to the ER?

[one...two...tree 2,762]

Unless you happen to be in upper management, or an executive, I will bet that within the next ten years, your employer will drop your coverage, or several reduce it to make it useless. All you have to do is look at the trends and figure out when the breaking point will be for your company on rising premiums.

He'll be whistling a different tune then.

[SMOKE 1,426]

Dodging the issue at hand again? You employer sponsored coverage pays for the ER treatment of the uninsured. Today. You want to continue that when there are viable options to lower that cost to you by providing more people with the option to see a doc rather than going to the ER?

you wanna point out where the dems bills actually lowers costs & improves services?...yah i didn't think so.

Edited February 10, 2010 by SMOKE

[SMOKE 1,426]

Unless you happen to be in upper management, or an executive, I will bet that within the next ten years, your employer will drop your coverage, or several reduce it to make it useless. All you have to do is look at the trends and figure out when the breaking point will be for your company on rising premiums.

same response i made to big dog: you wanna point out where the dems bills actually lowers costs & improves services?

[Dan J 277]

same response i made to big dog: you wanna point out where the dems bills actually lowers costs & improves services?

You and other Republicans are too ##### footed to want to make the major changes necessary to make the system sustainable. The primary goal of the health care legislation being considered was not a complete overhaul of the health care system, it just went a long way to solve one of the biggest problems. covering the uninsured. It would have reduced premiums but it also depends on how much you make and what you already pay for insurance.

But we need to go further than on the payer side, to either single payer (Like Japan) or heavily regulated private system (Like Switzerland), before much larger cost savings can be realized. But you are too afraid to loose what will become crappier employer provided insurance to realize that so much more can be done.

[I AM NOT THAT GUY 5,715]

keep lying to yourself. you know single payer is right around the corner if the dems get their way.

If only that were true! I would rather the government pays for my healthcare, than my employer, or myself. Of course, the only way that would work, would be if they lock out the SEIU and restore some common sense into the civil service system. I mean, you get what you pay for, and I don't feel like paying for what I getting.

[SMOKE 1,426]

You and other Republicans are too ##### footed to want to make the major changes necessary to make the system sustainable. The primary goal of the health care legislation being considered was not a complete overhaul of the health care system, it just went a long way to solve one of the biggest problems. covering the uninsured. It would have reduced premiums but it also depends on how much you make and what you already pay for insurance.

odd the cbo & insurers disagree. but, you & other ##### head dems don't listen.

[one...two...tree 2,762]

If only that were true! I would rather the government pays for my healthcare, than my employer, or myself. Of course, the only way that would work, would be if they lock out the SEIU and restore some common sense into the civil service system. I mean, you get what you pay for, and I don't feel like paying for what I getting.