Pat Robertson: Haiti has reaped what it sowed

[Chris_Жанна 11]

Well if you think he doesnt give a dam about these people and you truly believe that well then yes you could end up in that category.

What? are you kidding? Step away from your emotions for a second and look at what he has done for people around the world. I dont agree with what he said but dam he sure has done alot more for people than you or me!!!

I'm blinded by your brilliance.

You don't know me or the charitable work I do. So you should probably shut up before you stick your foot in your mouth further.

[_Simpson_ 250]

I'm blinded by your brilliance.

You don't know me or the charitable work I do. So you should probably shut up before you stick your foot in your mouth further.

Do you honestly think your donations can compare to the money he has raised for the less fortunate? Lets just be honest here, you may not agree with him but he puts food in starving peoples mouth and a roof over there head, who cares if he believes that the boogeyman exists the point being is the world is a better place because of him.

Edited January 15, 2010 by _Simpson_

[Chris_Жанна 11]

Not donations, foot work friend.

Did you read Sandinista's post?

So if I give tons of money that allows me to bastardize ppl on the TV?

Sounds passive aggressive to me.

[Peikko 1,575]

What he said was stupid and I made that clear earlier. He has organizations that receive money that he uses to help the unfortunate.

My point was not to pat him on the back for what he said but to acknowledge what he has done. Call him misguided, stupid, idiot, whatever but at the end of the day he has helped out a whole bunch of people. What about you?

examples?

Just for sake of argument, how do a person's good works stack if what they do is profit off it themselves? Put it this way, if a charity gets $100 and uses $50 for 'administration' of which $25 ends up in the bank account of the charity's director, is the director doing good, or running a business? If it's a business, the 'doing good' is of no significance whatsoever and deserves no special acknowledgement.

Edited January 15, 2010 by Madame Cleo

[Chris_Жанна 11]

Just for sake of argument, how do a person's good works stack if what they do is profit off it themselves? Put it this way, if a charity gets $100 and uses $50 for 'administration' of which $25 ends up in the bank account of the charity's director, is the director doing good, or running a business? If it's a business, the 'doing good' is of no significance whatsoever and deserves no special acknowledgement.

McDonalds feeds ppl and Nike provides foot wear, I suppose they are ethical companies as well?

[Peikko 1,575]

I don't know enough about the good reverend to be certain, but it always seems to me that televangelists live rather better than any of their flock. That doesn't seem particularly christian. I don't expect everyone to live in poverty to fulfil the will of the lord as it were, but to live like kings? Seems a tad excessive to me.

[_Simpson_ 250]

Not donations, foot work friend.

Did you read Sandinista's post?

So if I give tons of money that allows me to bastardize ppl on the TV?

Sounds passive aggressive to me.

Still doesnt compare, so foot is securely planted on the floor.

Bastardize ppl, come on your getting carried away with this

Do you have a actual argument to why the world isnt a better place with him in it?

[Chris_Жанна 11]

Still doesnt compare, so foot is securely planted on the floor.

Bastardize ppl, come on your getting carried away with this

Do you have a actual argument to why the world isnt a better place with him in it?

I never said I could go apples to apples with him, I surely don't have his resources. I do what I can and that is enough.

What would you say his comments are then?

I never said he should not be in the world, that was other posters, in some of my earlier posts I may have come across harsh but it was partially "tongue in cheek". I just think he should be quite right now while ppl are buried alive, and their lives shattered. That's all. Nobody likes the guy that says "See, I told you so".

[_Simpson_ 250]

Just for sake of argument, how do a person's good works stack if what they do is profit off it themselves? Put it this way, if a charity gets $100 and uses $50 for 'administration' of which $25 ends up in the bank account of the charity's director, is the director doing good, or running a business? If it's a business, the 'doing good' is of no significance whatsoever and deserves no special acknowledgement.

25 dollars goes along way in a 3rd world country, besides if this poorly ran business that you gave as a example didnt exist that would be 25 dollars the wouldnt go to starving people. Now if 25$ of that was going to support terrorist organization well then the world isnt a better place because of this company.

[Peikko 1,575]

Still doesnt compare, so foot is securely planted on the floor.

Bastardize ppl, come on your getting carried away with this

Do you have a actual argument to why the world isnt a better place with him in it?

The world would be a better place if those who lie to get money for themselves in the guise of 'good works' even if at some level some people do benefit were exposed and prevented from such profiteering, yes. Wishing him dead was hyperbole which I didn't personally indulge in.

[Peikko 1,575]

25 dollars goes along way in a 3rd world country, besides if this poorly ran business that you gave as a example didnt exist that would be 25 dollars the wouldnt go to starving people. Now if 25$ of that was going to support terrorist organization well then the world isnt a better place because of this company.

Ah, you are an 'end justifies the means' person? When it comes to charitable donations, I most definitely am not. Most people who donate money, want most money to go to the victims. They understand that there is administration, that charity workers need to live, but to gain from it? No, that's very, very wrong.

[_Simpson_ 250]

I never said I could go apples to apples with him, I surely don't have his resources. I do what I can and that is enough.

What you said was - "You don't know me or the charitable work I do. So you should probably shut up before you stick your foot in your mouth further."

What would you say his comments are then?

I think it was a very idotic thing to say, here is my first response in this thread - "I just dont understand how one could believe that the suffering of these Hati people has to do with a deal the people made with the devil many moons ago, what a idiot this guy is and all the people who believe that nonsense."

I never said he should not be in the world, that was other posters, in some of my earlier posts I may have come across harsh but it was partially "tongue in cheek". I just think he should be quite right now while ppl are buried alive, and their lives shattered. That's all. Nobody likes the guy that says "See, I told you so".

Yes i agree he should keep his pie hole closed, this comment was very stupid. The only thing I said positive about Pat was that the world is a better place with him in it, I am referring to all the charity work he has done.

[_Simpson_ 250]

Ah, you are an 'end justifies the means' person? When it comes to charitable donations, I most definitely am not. Most people who donate money, want most money to go to the victims. They understand that there is administration, that charity workers need to live, but to gain from it? No, that's very, very wrong.

No I am not, you are seeing what you want to see here, the point I made is that even though the organization is poorly ran it does do good in the world. Why is it you get the power to decide that a 25 dollar turn around isnt good enough? What I am saying is that if that money is also used for bad things well then the world isnt a better place.

Pat has made some mistakes yes but just because I believe overall the world is a better place doesnt make me a 'end justifies the means' guy.

[_Simpson_ 250]

The world would be a better place if those who lie to get money for themselves in the guise of 'good works' even if at some level some people do benefit were exposed and prevented from such profiteering, yes. Wishing him dead was hyperbole which I didn't personally indulge in.

You dont believe that Pat actually believes the stuff he is saying? I think he really believes it, I had a religious upbringing and you would be surprised at some of the nonsense people will believe.

Edited January 15, 2010 by _Simpson_

[Chris_Жанна 11]

What you said was - "You don't know me or the charitable work I do. So you should probably shut up before you stick your foot in your mouth further."

I didn't mean as if I could match him, but I understand how you could misunderstand what I meant in text. I often type how I talk. I do believe my work to be of a huge benefit to the ppl I have worked with all though small in numbers I don't think this is a quantitative issue that can be measured. But that's just a difference of opinion.

I think it was a very idotic thing to say, here is my first response in this thread - "I just dont understand how one could believe that the suffering of these Hati people has to do with a deal the people made with the devil many moons ago, what a idiot this guy is and all the people who believe that nonsense."

And I agree

Yes i agree he should keep his pie hole closed, this comment was very stupid. The only thing I said positive about Pat was that the world is a better place with him in it, I am referring to all the charity work he has done.

And I said earlier, I think that he is probably a decent person in real life, although after the info that Sandinista posted that may be debatable.