Florida Girl, 11, and Boyfriend, 15, Set Mom on Fire, Cops Say

[Chica Yeyé 41]

Doing the right things, well sure but what are the right things? Beating kids? Flogging adults? Tried and tested methods both and yet?

Teaching children to understand what behaviours are unacceptable and why they are unacceptable will prevent them from doing them. Discipline is important but discipline is not beating the ####### out of them.

WORD.

[Wyld Blu 35]

WORD.

And just for clarification....there is a WORLD of difference between discipline and punishment. Discipline's ultimate goal is to teach a lesson, not out of fear, or pain, but of an understanding of consequences. Punishment, just punishes (usually with pain) the behavior, but teaches nothing to improve or change it.

-Blu-

[Chica Yeyé 41]

And just for clarification....there is a WORLD of difference between discipline and punishment. Discipline's ultimate goal is to teach a lesson, not out of fear, or pain, but of an understanding of consequences. Punishment, just punishes (usually with pain) the behavior, but teaches nothing to improve or change it.

-Blu-

Hey what do i know? I have no kids. but what i do know is that if I see -example- my brother, ever strike his kid, I would punch him in the face so hard he would remember it for ages.

[w¡n9Nµ7 §£@¥€r 123]

Hey what do i know? I have no kids. but what i do know is that if I see -example- my brother, ever strike his kid, I would punch him in the face so hard he would remember it for ages.

isn't she just precious

[slim 1,533]

It has always been interesting to me that people who have no children, or no intention of ever having them, know exactly how they should be raised.

I take a big healthy sh!t every day but I'm no expert on fecal matter. Yet, even not being an expert I'm pretty aware of what's in there and how it all works.

A simple biological act can be understood by everyone whether they've chosen to do it or not. I can't have a menstrual period, but I'm pretty sure I wouldn't want to, even if given the option. Does that qualify me as having enough of a unique insight?

Also, keep in mind, everyone on earth was born so they've seen the whole parent/kid thing in action. Some people are smart enough to learn from others' experiences and their own observations so they don't need to make the same mistakes.

What we run into a lot in this country (especially now in modern times) is people who proclaim reproduction as some sort of achievement. It's not. Anyone can do it. If you can pay your bills, instill some good moral values into your kids and then send them off into the world without them setting you on fire while you sleep, that's an achievement. However, even that achievement doesn't give you any more authority on the subject than anyone else, it just means now you have first-hand knowledge of how the process worked for you and until everyone else's process works exactly the same as yours, there is no such thing as someone who knows exactly how kids should be raised.

My ex husband worked, stayed in his shop on the property or went to bed. He was as uninvolved with the family as any one person could be

So supporting the family wasn't enough for the kids?

Or was it not enough for you?

Here's a good question for you - as a woman is it more important to be a good wife or a good mother?

Doing the right things, well sure but what are the right things? Beating kids? Flogging adults? Tried and tested methods both and yet?

Teaching children to understand what behaviours are unacceptable and why they are unacceptable will prevent them from doing them. Discipline is important but discipline is not beating the ####### out of them.

Who said anything about beating the ####### out of them? There are perfectly acceptable ways to achieve results without going to far. Yes, I'm all for adding a little bit of corporal punishment to our justice system.

Can you imagine if we'd bring back public floggings! OOOOOOhhhhh. I'm almost ready to call my Congressman to suggest the idea. I better not though, he's too busy giving away our country, "under the welfare clause."

[Chica Yeyé 41]

isn't she just precious

B1tch, I cut you

[Peikko 1,575]

I take a big healthy sh!t every day but I'm no expert on fecal matter. Yet, even not being an expert I'm pretty aware of what's in there and how it all works.

A simple biological act can be understood by everyone whether they've chosen to do it or not. I can't have a menstrual period, but I'm pretty sure I wouldn't want to, even if given the option. Does that qualify me as having enough of a unique insight?

Also, keep in mind, everyone on earth was born so they've seen the whole parent/kid thing in action. Some people are smart enough to learn from others' experiences and their own observations so they don't need to make the same mistakes.

What we run into a lot in this country (especially now in modern times) is people who proclaim reproduction as some sort of achievement. It's not. Anyone can do it. If you can pay your bills, instill some good moral values into your kids and then send them off into the world without them setting you on fire while you sleep, that's an achievement. However, even that achievement doesn't give you any more authority on the subject than anyone else, it just means now you have first-hand knowledge of how the process worked for you and until everyone else's process works exactly the same as yours, there is no such thing as someone who knows exactly how kids should be raised.

So supporting the family wasn't enough for the kids?

Or was it not enough for you?

Here's a good question for you - as a woman is it more important to be a good wife or a good mother?

Who said anything about beating the ####### out of them? There are perfectly acceptable ways to achieve results without going to far. Yes, I'm all for adding a little bit of corporal punishment to our justice system.

Can you imagine if we'd bring back public floggings! OOOOOOhhhhh. I'm almost ready to call my Congressman to suggest the idea. I better not though, he's too busy giving away our country, "under the welfare clause."

The point is, there are perfectly acceptable ways to achiever results WITHOUT LAYING A FINGER ON THEM.

What works is to deny them access to the things they want for a significant length of time, what works is to always mean no when you say no. What works is to be loving but consistent. What works is to explain, many times if that's what it takes why certain behaviours are not acceptable and what the consequences of those bahaviours are.

If you want to know how successful corperal punishment wasn't, I suggest a little light historical reading.

[slim 1,533]

I can also suggest how effective my personal decision making process would've been without corporal punishment involved!

What do you do with those who simply don't get it? We have criminals walking the streets right now who are in and out of the penal system and will not change. Dare I say this 11-year-old girl and her 15-year-old boyfriend are going to be joining them soon?

[Chica Yeyé 41]

I can also suggest how effective my personal decision making process would've been without corporal punishment involved!

What do you do with those who simply don't get it? We have criminals walking the streets right now who are in and out of the penal system and will not change. Dare I say this 11-year-old girl and her 15-year-old boyfriend are going to be joining them soon?

you just want to be slapped and whipped, you pervert

[Peikko 1,575]

I can also suggest how effective my personal decision making process would've been without corporal punishment involved!

What do you do with those who simply don't get it? We have criminals walking the streets right now who are in and out of the penal system and will not change. Dare I say this 11-year-old girl and her 15-year-old boyfriend are going to be joining them soon?

Don't get what? Are you suggesting that there are people incapable of understanding how behaving in certain ways is not only beneficial to those around you, but also to yourself without being mentally ill? The mentally ill by the way can't be cured by flogging, just so we have that clear.

[Wyld Blu 35]

First off...he wasn't supporting the family...we both worked full time jobs...so...that isn't even a valid argument. And further, no, raising a child takes more than just financial support. Hell, any idiot could send money to financially support a child, does that make him a dad? No. More like a sperm doner.

Second asking if, as a women, if it is more important to be a wife or a mother is like comparing apples to oranges. As a woman, it is more important to be yourself, not someone else's idea of the mold you should fit into.

And finally, while you can read all the studies you want, all the books, see all the documentaries, or use your experience of your childhood, nothing can prepare you for being a parent. THAT experience and knowledge comes from doing it. Does it make me or any other parent an expert on raising anyone else's child? Of course not. But it DOES make me an expert on what worked for my family, and the experience and knowledge I gained FROM that experience could help another family going through a similar issue. Saying you don't have to be an expert in fecalology to know how to take a ####### is the silliest argument I have heard so far on this issue.

-Blu-(your turn)

[Peikko 1,575]

He's already proved that in his case, flogging didn't teach him anything except to be scared of flogging.

[slim 1,533]

you just want to be slapped and whipped, you pervert

No. I just want someone to care enough to take the time to slap and whip me. The pervert part is spot-on though!

Don't get what? Are you suggesting that there are people incapable of understanding how behaving in certain ways is not only beneficial to those around you, but also to yourself without being mentally ill?

That's exactly what I'm saying. We have whole groups of people in society today that could care less about being beneficial to themselves or others and they're not mentally ill - they just have no incentive to care.

The mentally ill by the way can't be cured by flogging, just so we have that clear.

We're clear. But can we also clear up that they can't be cured by being allowed to set people on fire while they're sleeping? (And just for the record, I think the OP had absolutely NOTHING to do with mental illness but will probably be labeled with some type of "disorder.")

Hell, any idiot could send money to financially support a child, does that make him a dad?

That makes him more of a dad than many dads today.

As a woman, it is more important to be yourself, not someone else's idea of the mold you should fit into.

Now I see why he stayed out in the shop or went to bed.

And finally, while you can read all the studies you want, all the books, see all the documentaries, or use your experience of your childhood, nothing can prepare you for being a parent.

I'm a firm believer in having a good marriage, being financially well-off and having all your ducks in a row BEFORE you have kids is a great way to be prepared.

Saying you don't have to be an expert in fecalology to know how to take a ####### is the silliest argument I have heard so far on this issue.

Why is that a silly argument?

Providing a true statement related to a biological function is pretty valid, I'd say.

He's already proved that in his case, flogging didn't teach him anything except to be scared of flogging.

I've never been scared of a flogging because I've never had one.

[Chica Yeyé 41]

holy ####### slim.... that was one long post, with quotes and everything

[w¡n9Nµ7 §£@¥€r 123]

homeboy got mad skillz.