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[Mr. Big Dog 10,747]

I don't understand why followers like Steven, who beg to be dependent on the government, need to involve those like myself who don't want to be dependent on government in their hand out scams. Why can't you helpless and hapless folks just go hat in hand into individual dependency on your own rather than causing such a ruckus by trying to force everyone in the country into your personal misery against their will?

Could you please add some more drama to this? It would make your argument so much more compelling.

[Sofiyya 1,687]

All troops have been withdrawn from urban areas of Iraq. It's a start.

Oh and he never said he'd end Afghanistan.

What's so special about Afghanistan? Don't we still spend money and shoot people over there, too?

Iraq and Afghanistan. What's the difference, you ask?

Do you remember this? By the way... Iraq had nothing to do with it

I'm just wondering if the Left distinquishes between the two wars, and on what basis?

I don't understand why followers like Steven, who beg to be dependent on the government, need to involve those like myself who don't want to be dependent on government in their hand out scams. Why can't you helpless and hapless folks just go hat in hand into individual dependency on your own rather than causing such a ruckus by trying to force everyone in the country into your personal misery against their will?

Could you please add some more drama to this? It would make your argument so much more compelling.

Your sarcasm is astroturf.

[one...two...tree 2,762]

Actually, there are (at this time) FIVE versions of a health care bill, each with differing provisions, including one that explicitly rations health care for chronic illnesses and conditions, and allows the government to deduct money from private bank accounts. NO BILL OR GUARANTEE FROM THE PRESIDENT WILL ASSURE INDIVIDUAL OPTIONS. I hope I made that clear. For one thing, since most employees get ther health care thru their employers, they are hostage to choices that their employers make. if the government determines that they will tax that benefit, ad at this point, that is a consistant provision, employers may decide to drop the health care benefit.

My parents are on Medicare and they also choose to buy supplemental private insurance. How would a public option that is available to all Americans, not just seniors and the disabled, be any different?

Steven, have you read any one of the five versions, or are you relying on your favorite leftist bloggers to tell you what the fed's plans are for you and your folks?

Oh, so you aren't opposed to it on principal. You're just against the current proposals as you understand them because according to your understanding, they would make the public option different from Medicare and forbid Americans to purchase supplemental private insurance?

[w¡n9Nµ7 §£@¥€r 123]

Rethugs oppose a public option because they are fundamentally opposed to the very existence of the people they image would benefit from it.

[one...two...tree 2,762]

You all need to find some middle ground . You people on this thread . need to find some balance give and take . CAN'T WE ALL JUST GET ALONG .

good reading

So where's your middle ground on health care reform? Are you opposed to providing health insurance to the millions of Americans who cannot afford private insurance?

We've had millions of uninsured for a very long time. What's the big deal?

For one, it's adversely affecting our GDP. Even if you don't give a sh!t about other Americans, hopefully you'd realize that it actually hurts you in the wallet to continue having them uninsured.

[w¡n9Nµ7 §£@¥€r 123]

We've had millions of uninsured for a very long time. What's the big deal?

For one, it's adversely affecting our GDP.

My GDP? I don't have GDP.

[one...two...tree 2,762]

Rethugs oppose a public option because they are fundamentally opposed to the very existence of the people they image would benefit from it.

What if a large percentage of those uninsured tend to lean to the Right on many issues, but they just want some insurance?

[Mr. Big Dog 10,747]

I don't understand why followers like Steven, who beg to be dependent on the government, need to involve those like myself who don't want to be dependent on government in their hand out scams. Why can't you helpless and hapless folks just go hat in hand into individual dependency on your own rather than causing such a ruckus by trying to force everyone in the country into your personal misery against their will?

Could you please add some more drama to this? It would make your argument so much more compelling.

Your sarcasm is astroturf.

Sorry for pointing out that you're being overly dramatic here. Didn't know there was a sensitive side to you.

[w¡n9Nµ7 §£@¥€r 123]

Rethugs oppose a public option because they are fundamentally opposed to the very existence of the people they image would benefit from it.

What if a large percentage of those uninsured tend to lean to the Right on many issues, but they just want some insurance?

It is a matter of faith among the Rethugs that the only groups that form a "large percentage" of the unsinsured are Democrats, people of color, the poor, alcoholics, prostitutes, homosexuals and other social undesirables.

[one...two...tree 2,762]

We've had millions of uninsured for a very long time. What's the big deal?

For one, it's adversely affecting our GDP.

My GDP? I don't have GDP.

Of course. Because you make your money in a vacuum. If it ain't broke for you, why fix it?

[GaryC 7]

[Sofiyya 1,687]

Actually, there are (at this time) FIVE versions of a health care bill, each with differing provisions, including one that explicitly rations health care for chronic illnesses and conditions, and allows the government to deduct money from private bank accounts. NO BILL OR GUARANTEE FROM THE PRESIDENT WILL ASSURE INDIVIDUAL OPTIONS. I hope I made that clear. For one thing, since most employees get ther health care thru their employers, they are hostage to choices that their employers make. if the government determines that they will tax that benefit, ad at this point, that is a consistant provision, employers may decide to drop the health care benefit.

My parents are on Medicare and they also choose to buy supplemental private insurance. How would a public option that is available to all Americans, not just seniors and the disabled, be any different?

Steven, have you read any one of the five versions, or are you relying on your favorite leftist bloggers to tell you what the fed's plans are for you and your folks?

Oh, so you aren't opposed to it on principal. You're just against the current proposals as you understand them because according to your understanding, they would make the public option different from Medicare and forbid Americans to purchase supplemental private insurance?

I am opposed to them on the principle that I embrace individual liberty, freedom, and abhore big government overstepping the bounds of its Constitutional limitations. I also do not trust the Obama administration, and have posted several videos that show directly, in their own words, that they plan to incrementally end the public option and institute single payer as the only option. If this process is allowed to begin, it will be nearly impossible to halt, and I encourage those who believe as I do to stand their ground.

Now, tell me, why do you want the whole country to do as you want instead of having free choice?

[one...two...tree 2,762]

Rethugs oppose a public option because they are fundamentally opposed to the very existence of the people they image would benefit from it.

What if a large percentage of those uninsured tend to lean to the Right on many issues, but they just want some insurance?

It is a matter of faith among the Rethugs that the only groups that form a "large percentage" of the unsinsured are Democrats, people of color, the poor, alcoholics, prostitutes, homosexuals and other social undesirables.

Take a look at Texas.

[w¡n9Nµ7 §£@¥€r 123]

We've had millions of uninsured for a very long time. What's the big deal?

For one, it's adversely affecting our GDP.

My GDP? I don't have GDP.

Of course. Because you make your money in a vacuum. If it ain't broke for you, why fix it?

I may not make my money in a vacuum but my income stream depends greatly on rich people staying rich.

[G&R 0]

You all need to find some middle ground . You people on this thread . need to find some balance give and take . CAN'T WE ALL JUST GET ALONG .

good reading

So where's your middle ground on health care reform? Are you opposed to providing health insurance to the millions of Americans who cannot afford private insurance?

We've had millions of uninsured for a very long time. What's the big deal?