Dems Fear Town Hall Meetings

[Trumplestiltskin 5,791]

You say "activist", I say extremist.

I just don't understand how resorting to lies to destroy legislation that you don't know the details of is a productive way to engage in political dialogs. As I say, I don't understand how anything gets done in such a climate - if all that happens is one side just uses its majority to steamroller another. Its pretty antithetical to the idea of representative democracy.

[Danno 1,228]

I've only lived here for the last 5 years, but what's happening now is almost an exact repeat of what happened when Bush was in office - this "we won, ** you" attitude that pervades everything.

Perhaps secession wouldn't be such a bad idea for some of these states - these people are planets apart.

But don't you See, if it weren't for the Fed Govt trying to force everyone to do it their way, we wouldn't have this problem.

Nobody talks of secession .... until the feds try to do more than they should.

[one...two...tree 2,762]

But don't you See, if it weren't for the Fed Govt trying to force everyone to do it their way, we wouldn't have this problem.

Danno, did you feel Bush forced you as a citizen to abide by his policies and rules or did he just ask you to in a kinder and gentler way?

[Trumplestiltskin 5,791]

I don't buy that. I think that general dissatisfaction at the economic situation is driving a lot of this - and that had more to do with the bailouts than healthcare. Obama is getting flak for it - but he didn't do anything on that that Bush wasn't already doing, or that McCain wouldn't have.

Obama, being the current face of Federal government is naturally going to be the target, but much of this seems to be about government in general, rather than him specifically.

As far as health reform fits into this picture I do wonder at some of the questions that are being asked by Obamas detractors. Gary has said flat out that he think lying is justifiable to destroy healthcare reform, but clearly there are people taking these rumours seriously.

I really don't understand how anyone can justify this.

[one...two...tree 2,762]

I don't buy that. I think that general dissatisfaction at the economic situation is driving a lot of this - and that had more to do with the bailouts than healthcare. Obama is getting flak for it - but he didn't do anything on that that Bush wasn't already doing, or that McCain wouldn't have.

Obama, being the current face of Federal government is naturally going to be the target, but much of this seems to be about government in general, rather than him specifically.

As far as health reform fits into this picture I do wonder at some of the questions that are being asked by Obamas detractors. Gary has said flat out that he think lying is justifiable to destroy healthcare reform, but clearly there are people taking these rumours seriously.

I really don't understand how anyone can justify this.

So what's your solution to this seeming disarray of American politics?

[SMOKE 1,426]

its the dems that stopped the bill. the dems have absolute control. but, it the republicans causing problems.

hammer it thru & get it done....unless you're worried about being done in 2010 & 2012.

[one...two...tree 2,762]

its the dems that stopped the bill. the dems have absolute control. but, it the republicans causing problems.

hammer it thru & get it done....unless you're worried about being done in 2010 & 2012.

I'm hoping we'll see an actual bill by September, passed before November and signed into law.

[GaryC 7]

I am opposed to all the of the government intervention that we are seeing. TARP, stimulus, bailouts, healthcare and cap and trade are all very bad ideas.

[Trumplestiltskin 5,791]

I don't buy that. I think that general dissatisfaction at the economic situation is driving a lot of this - and that had more to do with the bailouts than healthcare. Obama is getting flak for it - but he didn't do anything on that that Bush wasn't already doing, or that McCain wouldn't have.

Obama, being the current face of Federal government is naturally going to be the target, but much of this seems to be about government in general, rather than him specifically.

As far as health reform fits into this picture I do wonder at some of the questions that are being asked by Obamas detractors. Gary has said flat out that he think lying is justifiable to destroy healthcare reform, but clearly there are people taking these rumours seriously.

I really don't understand how anyone can justify this.

So what's your solution to this seeming disarray of American politics?

You do realise that that's a question BY would ask

Seriously, I think people want to be led. That's why we have the system we do and the leaders we have. A public content to learn about politics from bull$hit corporate news networks (because like it or not those programs reflect the public consciousness to some extent) and whose sole responsibility to the democratic process starts and ends at the ballot box (if they vote at all); and to then spend the intervening years either in blind allegiance or "activist" outrage.

[one...two...tree 2,762]

I am opposed to all the of the government intervention that we are seeing. TARP, stimulus, bailouts, healthcare and cap and trade are all very bad ideas.

Food Stamps? Medicare? Social Security? Public Education? Public Libraries? Nationally protected wilderness?

[SMOKE 1,426]

its the dems that stopped the bill. the dems have absolute control. but, it the republicans causing problems.

hammer it thru & get it done....unless you're worried about being done in 2010 & 2012.

I'm hoping we'll see an actual bill by September, passed before November and signed into law.

i don't think anyone will seriously argue that something needs to be done. heathcare is what 17-18% of the economy & growing as you read this. the bolden is the problem. the dems have pushed for it to be passed asap & don't even have a bill ready yet. of course people are going to object to another 'hurry up & hope we get it right' bill. its not the republicans fault, its the dems fault this is happening. its the 'neener neener' ' we're going to pass it anyway w/o even reading it, that has people so pissed off.

[one...two...tree 2,762]

I don't buy that. I think that general dissatisfaction at the economic situation is driving a lot of this - and that had more to do with the bailouts than healthcare. Obama is getting flak for it - but he didn't do anything on that that Bush wasn't already doing, or that McCain wouldn't have.

Obama, being the current face of Federal government is naturally going to be the target, but much of this seems to be about government in general, rather than him specifically.

As far as health reform fits into this picture I do wonder at some of the questions that are being asked by Obamas detractors. Gary has said flat out that he think lying is justifiable to destroy healthcare reform, but clearly there are people taking these rumours seriously.

I really don't understand how anyone can justify this.

So what's your solution to this seeming disarray of American politics?

You do realise that that's a question BY would ask

Seriously, I think people want to be led. That's why we have the system we do and the leaders we have. A public content to learn about politics from bull$hit corporate news networks (because like it or not those programs reflect the public consciousness to some extent) and whose sole responsibility to the democratic process starts and ends at the ballot box (if they vote at all); and to then spend the intervening years either in blind allegiance or "activist" outrage.

Corporate news is what it is. Unless you advocate that we elminate it - we will continue to have access to it and Americans will continue to watch it. Given that, what do you see as a way to get beyond what you cynically view with regard to political discourse in this country?

[GaryC 7]

I am opposed to all the of the government intervention that we are seeing. TARP, stimulus, bailouts, healthcare and cap and trade are all very bad ideas.

Food Stamps? Medicare? Social Security? Public Education? Public Libraries? Nationally protected wilderness?

Did I list them? Nope. Your usual MO Steven, take the subject and expand it to the extreme.

[Trumplestiltskin 5,791]

Steve I don't have a solution, the only person I'm in control of is myself.

But I see what you're doing here - its quite tragic how the only thing that can unite political partisans is for someone to attack the source of their partisanship.

None of this is my fault, rather its yours (plural). The question should be - what are you as free citizens of this country going to do.

Edited August 10, 2009 by Private Pike

[one...two...tree 2,762]

I am opposed to all the of the government intervention that we are seeing. TARP, stimulus, bailouts, healthcare and cap and trade are all very bad ideas.

Food Stamps? Medicare? Social Security? Public Education? Public Libraries? Nationally protected wilderness?

Did I list them? Nope. Your usual MO Steven, take the subject and expand it to the extreme.

Well, naturally, if your premise as to why you are against Federal programs is because you believe that they do not and cannot work, it's not a stretch to ask which Federal programs you are actually opposed to. I'm sorry if that makes you feel cornered, but that's your ideology putting you in that corner, not me.

Edited August 10, 2009 by Col. 'Bat' Guano