The Duggar Family

[AnewKINDofFEELIN 0]

Again, the woman's ####### probably looks like a bowl of sloppy crotch soup.

It might be a more valid point in relation to some 3rd world countries where people don't have enough food to feed themselves as is, but then you've also got to imagine that in countries like that people have more children because they don't anticipate all of them to survive into adulthood. Isn't this the reason people in the US used to have similarly large families (5, 6, 7 children etc)?

That's also why being fruitful and multiplying made sense 2000 years ago.

[Peikko 1,575]

Still the ideology they instill into their kids is bogus. It's like saying, "slavery is ok if you keep the slaves in good enough conditions."

[one...two...tree 2,762]

They increase the overall world demand for food, where the supply isn't even capable of meeting current demands.

That's a complete falsehood.

Yeah, I mean, I think there are enough people in the world that are not having children that the entire thing balances itself out in the end and using their case specifically is not logical - they are one family and one of very few families that has multiple children. The fact is that people will always have sex and there will always be people that are poor - it's been like that I'm fairly sure since the dawn of civilization, so blaming the lack of food supply on one family doesn't really work.

It might be a more valid point in relation to some 3rd world countries where people don't have enough food to feed themselves as is, but then you've also got to imagine that in countries like that people have more children because they don't anticipate all of them to survive into adulthood. Isn't this the reason people in the US used to have similarly large families (5, 6, 7 children etc)?

Yep. Before there was Social Security and 401K's, your children were your invested retirement.

[Miranda&James 8]

Again, the woman's ####### probably looks like a bowl of sloppy crotch soup.

It might be a more valid point in relation to some 3rd world countries where people don't have enough food to feed themselves as is, but then you've also got to imagine that in countries like that people have more children because they don't anticipate all of them to survive into adulthood. Isn't this the reason people in the US used to have similarly large families (5, 6, 7 children etc)?

That's also why being fruitful and multiplying made sense 2000 years ago.

So you find them having children and supporting them offensive but feel free to comment on the state of her #######? I mean, the free speech excuse is one thing, but I was hoping that a somewhat logical debate was going on as opposed to vulgar comments on female reproductive organs. Obviously her husband finds her attractive due to the number of pregnancies, so I think speculation onto the state of her ####### is a bit of a moot point.

[Trumplestiltskin 5,791]

That's also why being fruitful and multiplying made sense 2000 years ago.

True - but they're not taking food away from anyone IMO. This country is not exactly known for widespread famine

[Miranda&James 8]

Still the ideology they instill into their kids is bogus. It's like saying, "slavery is ok if you keep the slaves in good enough conditions."

What specific part of the ideology is bogus? Assuming your slavery example is in reference to them, what do you see them doing as slavery?

[AnewKINDofFEELIN 0]

That's also why being fruitful and multiplying made sense 2000 years ago.

True - but they're not taking food away from anyone IMO. This country is not exactly known for widespread famine

That's true.

I just think that world population is already way out of control.

[Amby 490]

Again, the woman's ####### probably looks like a bowl of sloppy crotch soup.

It might be a more valid point in relation to some 3rd world countries where people don't have enough food to feed themselves as is, but then you've also got to imagine that in countries like that people have more children because they don't anticipate all of them to survive into adulthood. Isn't this the reason people in the US used to have similarly large families (5, 6, 7 children etc)?

That's also why being fruitful and multiplying made sense 2000 years ago.

ok I agree with you on this one honestly my first thought when I saw this show last year was about her massive #######...I'm sure everyone had those thoughts though or at least I hope they did

[Peikko 1,575]

How about, you can only have a hobby if you pick one from this list? As is making the females in the house perform one set of tasks and the males a different set of tasks. As is having a 'male' head of the family. Making the children be surrogate parents to their siblings, seriously, if you can't parent your kids, stop having any more kids, it's that simple. Dictating that girls may only wear dresses. It might seem harmless, but that's not freedom. Large families were necessary when children often didn't reach adulthood. This is no longer necessary so to have kids to have the kids look after the kids? Sorry, but that is not freedom, I don't care what part of the bible states that's ok.

Do I personally care what these people do? Not really, they do have the freedom to do it, but I am not going to say, "oh good for them, it shows true family values." While not all of their values are suspect, many of them are and it's not enough to say, "oh, it's ok because they are nice people and living a life of god." That's poppycock.

Edited February 6, 2008 by Purple_Hibiscus

[AnewKINDofFEELIN 0]

How about, you can only have a hobby if you pick one from this list? As is making the females in the house perform one set of tasks and the males a different set of tasks. As is having a 'male' head of the family. Making the children be surrogate parents to their siblings, seriously, if you can't parent your kids, stop having any more kids, it's that simple. Dictating that girls may only wear dresses. It might seem harmless, but that's not freedom. Large families were necessary when children often didn't reach adulthood. This is no longer necessary so to have kids to have the kids look after the kids? Sorry, but that is not freedom, I don't care what part of the bible states that's ok.

Do I personally care what these people do? Not really, they do have the freedom to do it, but I am not going to say, "oh good for them, it shows true family values." While not all of their values are suspect, many of them are and it's not enough to say, "oh, it's ok because they are nice people and living a life of god." That's poppycock.

I prefer Cracker Jack.

[Miranda&James 8]

How about, you can only have a hobby if you pick one from this list? As is making the females in the house perform one set of tasks and the males a different set of tasks. As is having a 'male' head of the family. Making the children be surrogate parents to their siblings, seriously, if you can't parent your kids, stop having any more kids, it's that simple. Dictating that girls may only wear dresses. It might seem harmless, but that's not freedom. Large families were necessary when children often didn't reach adulthood. This is no longer necessary so to have kids to have the kids look after the kids? Sorry, but that is not freedom, I don't care what part of the bible states that's ok.

Do I personally care what these people do? Not really, they do have the freedom to do it, but I am not going to say, "oh good for them, it shows true family values." While not all of their values are suspect, many of them are and it's not enough to say, "oh, it's ok because they are nice people and living a life of god." That's poppycock.

I don't see how any of those actually equate to slavery or are even a bad idea. I certainly wouldn't let my children have whatever hobby in the world they want - some are too expensive and frankly, we aren't rich, and it makes sense to have boundaries. I don't think any of their children are surrogate parents, they help out around the house and guide their younger siblings. Shouldn't all older siblings be there for the younger ones, telling them things and being there in a way parents can't always be (I'd tell my brother a lot more than I would my parents). A male head of the family is a biblical principle and while you may not agree, there isn't anything harmful about that belief. There is a flipside to that male head in that the husband is supposed to not only respect his wife (and I think the basic principle behind all Christianity is respecting others, not that everyone follows it but I am merely saying the main idea) but be willing to die for her, so hey, that is a pretty big thing. Splitting the chores along gender lines, hey, I wouldn't do it but I'm not feeling particularly harmed that they do. They choose their clothing style based on modesty and while I may not personally follow that belief on dressing style, I don't see how it is offensive. Most parents regulate what their children wear and have a belief on what is appropriate and what is not. Theres nothing wrong at all with disagreeing with them, but seeing them as if they are making their children be slaves seems a bit extreme. The children are happy and healthy and whatever parenting method achieves that I think would be agreed upon as a good thing by most.

[Amby 490]

don't you find it odd that they're so happy about every single thing? I know if I had to build an entire house on my own with my brothers and my dad I would definately not be so excited about it. Those kids were all waaaay too into it for me. The way they talked about it was like they were going to an amusement park or something. That is a bit creepy to me

Edited February 6, 2008 by Amber&Neil

[Peikko 1,575]

Having bounderies is a good thing but this is more than just bounderies it's a dictation of what is and isn't acceptable on grounds that the parents choose which have nothing to do with the restrictions of danger or cost. Again, the gender thing is really not just some harmless whim. It totally re inforces all the old prejudicies regarding the roles of females in society and that is bad thing and again, I don't give a fig for what the bible thinks a female's role in life is, I personally find the treatment of women in most religions shocking. Oh yes, men can wrap it up in the "my woman is my most precious object" package but that's just condescending to me. I'm either your equal or I am not in the partnership, end of story. Origianal sin? Humbug to that!

I have no problem with children playing a supportive role within the family, but are you truly suggesting that two people can adequately 'parent' 17 children? Clearly, they can't because they don't, they use the children to complete the household chores and actively parent . While I again, have no problem with children learning all the tasks that make up family life, I don't believe that they are there to do the household chores of the family.

I am not suggesting this is slavery, I was creating the analogy becaus some people couldn't see the harm in slavery when the slaves where kept in nice conditions. Freedom is allowing your children to explore, yes with a parent's guidance but it is not telling them what life path they have to follow. Dedicating their children to god? I don't have a problem with that when it's just a symbol of your ideology but it's offensive when it's put into practice.

[Sprailenes 47]

Its so funny these days when people are happy about stuff its "creepy"

There was this girl back in Canada who'd always be smiling and would say "hi" to every one she passed, even if you passed her on the way to the restroom and on the way back, she'd smile and say hi again.

We thought she was creepy. But really she was just really happy.....OR WAS SHE?

[Miranda&James 8]

don't you find it odd that they're so happy about every single thing? I know if I had to build an entire house on my own with my brothers and my dad I would definately not be so excited about it. Those kids were all waaaay too into it for me. The way they talked about it was like they were going to an amusement park or something. That is a bit creepy to me

I dunno, it is a pretty freaking nice house. I mean, a slide? Besides, it is a much bigger space than they had before and I think that if I'd helped build a house I'd be super proud of the accomplishment and I'd find it to be pretty fun and interesting. Children love helping out with things and seeing their work come to fruition, and they seem to be a very supportive family so I'm sure they were proud. I'm pretty positive they aren't always happy - their show is edited so I'm sure plenty of tantrums didn't make the cut!