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After review I am re-opening this thread with a warning. Stop the personal attacks and insults, and stop the judgmental comments about other posters. I will also state that insisting the OP ignores other advise and follows a course of action that worked for you is irresponsible and could place the OP in serious difficulties. Each case must be evaluated on its own circumstances, not some one else's. Immigration is not a one size fits all process.

The best advice is to seek a consultation with a knowledgeable immigration attorney to find out what options are appropriate and what potential pitfalls may lie in wait with different courses of action. The fraud claim has to be properly addressed - if it is not, it could come back to haunt the OP with serious repercussions. This is where a competent immigration attorney can be of assistance, even if it is only for a consult.

Thank you for reopening my post. I hope the responses here helps someone else as much as it has help me. Good luck to all and take care. My God be with you.

My comments are not directed to any one poster. I do know, however, that I need not explain any of this to anyone. That was not my point.

Morocco4ever you are saying that you case was similar and that you man is now in the US. I am asking and have been asking what you and others like you did. Did you wait for them to tell you what to do next. Did you marry your fiance and then come back and refile. This is where I am getting no info. What was your next step after the devastation.

I understand what is being said about fraud. No one else needs to point me back to that point. I get it, I hear you loud and clear. This is why I am loosing patience because people keep trying to convince me that the CO was doing his job. I know he was I am glad that he was. I don't have any doubts about that. If you read what I am saying you will see I am moving on. Next step please!!!!!!!!

We have decided a course of action I just want to make sure I am doing everything that we can be fore we go to plan B. I have done everything else that I can think of without being educated on this matter. I am looking for an outcome of someone else.

Thanks for all your responses guys. I am not harboring anger or jumping on people. I just want to stop wasting everyone key stokes. The comment I made was because I know how scared some of us newbies are. I have been on the other side of the post as a third party.

I read somewhere before that if you cannot vent here then what is the use of being here on a forum full of people in the same situation.

As for the K-1 visa, and going to marry your fiance. Some have successfully gone to Morocco and married then got the visa, some have had a second denial. If the petition expires you are free to marry again, but if the USCIS decides to review it rather than expire it, and you have gotten married in the meantime, is when the problems occur.

CO's won't deny an applicant because the petitioner is overweight, but rather it could give him more reason to review the case closer. His answer that he went there to practice his English wasn't very impressive to the CO obviously. He could go to just about any chat room for that. He would have been better off IMO if he would have said that he likes large women. But I do believe that his father's response that he didn't know if you were married before was the nail in the coffin. It isn't normal there that a woman has children outside of marriage, and it would be reasonable if his father had questioned about a previous marriage since you do have children at the time that your fiance told him about you. So it appears to me that this was the line of thinking for the CO.

Have you had any luck contacting your congressman for assistance? I would certainly get your future father in law to write a letter explaining why he didn't know about it, and why it doesn't make a difference to him, and that he supports your relationship. But don't stop there and assume that this is the reason for the denial. I do believe it is a culmination of the evidence rather than one specific thing in most denials.

You are very right traditionally, his country is against children outside of marriage. They were also against having a relationship at all outside of marriage. And at one point they were able to marry multiple wife, with the permission of the first wife and as long as they had the money to support a family. Marriages where arranged by you parents with cousins even, which is what happened to my man and why his is no longer married. Everything that you have said is true at one point. Its no longer the case with some Moroccan families. In some places the woman no longer wrap themselves from head to toe unless they want to do it. This whole situation makes me want to change my major from medicine to human rights, I tell you the truth!

When I met my fiance his father worked in, and resided in another town for most of the month. It what you do to support your family. His mother is the one who knows the details of the relationship. His father gave his blessing and told the interview so, he was just happy his son found happiness after they previous attempt to find his a wife. I said that I would not write anymore but this is for anyone marrying someone in Morocco.

Do not be discouraged. Do not let anything anyone posted turn you around. If you believe your man is sincere fight for him because there are some that get caught up in the madness. Pray and God will guide you through. PM me if you want someone to talk to I am here to help.

BTW to clarify he said he went to Yahoo chat room to practice English not to the room we met in........

You know what this is flipping ridiculous. Red flags!!!!!!!!! Some of the people that have responded to me have been very helpful and I do appreciate it. I cannot tell you how you have help me through this time when I am unsteady and unsure of my footing. At this point I am unwilling to give any more in depth information about my fiance's past through a public forum. I have given the facts of this case and have stated as plainly as I know how. If I were to meet a man on the street who was married, whose wife had left him, and he was looking for someone to date everything would be cool. And NO I was not married before, it was a trick question through into a series questions to confuse my father-in-law to be!!!!!! If you are not going through the same thing that I am going through or have risen about the odds against you then please keep you thoughts and opinion decent. There has been nothing but less than encourage words from some of you and I find it very hard to believe that you have an answer for each and every type of visa that has ever been filed. I am not an angry black woman and I am not trying to take of the world. I am old enough to know when I am being played and when I am not. There has not been a single avenue in my fiance's life that has not been open to me. I can call, visit, and host anyone in his family at my own will if that is what I choose to do. I simply asked if there was anyone in my shoes that could give me guidance. Unless you work in the Dept of Homeland Security you don't really know what red flags are. This man was crushed and defeated after being spoken to like a peace of #######. I am a US citizen and I have rights and I plan on use them. I will fight for my man to the death because he would do it for me. He did nothing but take care of me in every way possible during my trip there and back. I don't need a Dr. Phil. I need a guide through this process. I cannot believe that my topic has made it to the hottest topic. I just wanted to share my experience, get some pointers, and help someone else if I can. I did not ask for a Lifetime movie critic. I am a writer of short stories and poems so the cute anecdotes I don't need. I am sorry if I seem a little upset but I am not stupid, nor am I easily lead. I am at a state of shock still so please excuse my outburst I don't mean any disrespect to anyone. Its just hard to invest going on over three years in a relationship. Figure out your guy is the right guy in the wrong country, and be pushed aside like paperwork because someone is having a bad day. My fiance is aware that I am a not placid down homey kinda gal, who submits to what ever and he loves me for it. We had flown over tradition and that's way we work well together. He is teaching me Arabic and French so that i am not left out of anything. I have read several post where some women can't get that much out of their fiances. :angry: :angry: :wacko: :wacko: :crying: :crying:

Words to live by but in Morocco they run against the tide. She in all likelihood will never get a official reason from them. She will have to weigh her relationship against the very tough and long road ahead. Time will be lost and money will be spent.

How early did he arrive? They explicitly asked him not to arrive more than 15 minutes early so I hope it was not much more than that. How was he dressed.

I live in Morocco and I can tell you the cyber cafes are filled with young men trying to get out of Morocco. I AM NOT SAYING YOUR FIANCE IS ONE OF THEM BUT I CAN UNDERSTAND THE CO's POINT OF VIEW. In your chat logs that you presented to the CO did you guys use a online translator like google? How long did you know him before he asked to marry you? Did he ask you via IM or on the phone? In what language?

Follow the guidelines on the MENA thread i.e contact your elected officials and trying to get the Consulate on the phone directly.

Not easy by a long shot but it is possible.

No he did not use a translator. He speaks perfect English. My fiance my be poor but he dresses very well. I have no doubt that on today he was dressed very well as well. I know that our road is long. His sisters and I have talked today and we are all ready to go the extra mile to create a lasting union between our families. Thank you all for the information and comments that you have provided me in a time were things seemed to be a jumbled mess.

It's critical that he WRITE a detailed report of the interview questions and answers. I cannot stress this enough. You need the whole picture. Otherwise you're still shooting in the dark.

Ok, it seems that I our case has been red flagged because I am overweight. My fiance said that the man just kept going over how we met in a chatroom for BBW's Big Beautiful Women. The man kept asking him did you go to that chatroom to get someone for a visa. He told him no. Then why the man asked did you go there. He said a friend of his told him to go there because he was good at speaking English to go there and talk to people to get better at speaking English and meet nice people. He asked him why didn't you go to a private school to learn English. He told him sir I took English in school. I just wanted to go there to meet people. Then why her the man asked he told him because she is nice and i want her I love her. That is when the man wanted to speak with his father. He said if you are lying to me I will know. My fiance said I am not lying they know her and the want her. He asked his father questions about where we got married and my kids, and whether I have been married before. Then he came back and said your father knows nothing you lied to me. The first questions were tricks because Hassan and I did not get married in Morocco. We wanted to wait and get married with my children present. Hassan was also early for his interview but they made him wait so that he was the last one there to take him back.

Yeah... that is a good question. That can be seen as a red flag... them keeping you away from friends/family. I'm not saying that's what he did.. but that's what it could be seen as to someone who doesn't know the situation

Oh, I did not know that. We stayed in a different town for medical reason and they came to us. I will ask him all these questions as soon as he get off the train from Casablanca.

Ok it looks like I have finally made it to the right thread. I posted this feed this morning. Now I think that I am in a state of shock. I have faxed my Senator. I have pulled up form after form. My fiance is still on the train to home and I am stuck in limbo.

http://www.visajourney.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=241259

Thank you very much for your responses. I have spoken to my fiance several times since he left the consulate this morning. He is on his way back home now and will not be back until 3pm est. I am not in Casa right now, I was there with him for 10 days last Feb., and he still has got to a point where he can scan the paper and get a copy to me. I know that my fiance was nervous and he wanted to do his best and he knows that he answered a questions much to fast to take the answer back. He father is a very nice man how has just retired and unfortunately he is not as quick with remember things. This is a minor set back I suppose. I am not all to happy at all about it, but I am strong. When I went to Morocco I had been informed that I had a problem with a disk in my spine so we stayed in Rabat, a different town then the one he was from for convenience and his family came to see me. I am sure there are several flags one could see. I respect homeland security so I don't mind waiting. Its just heard to not know what steps are ahead.

I have gone to the MENA forum and read everything there is to read. The paper that my fiance was given did not say that he was denied but that it was going back to the USCIS for review. My question is do we start over at the beginning now, or does anyone have that answer? This is my man he loves me and he has given himself to me in the name of God. I know that I will do whatever it takes to live a long life with him but what step should I take. I have written to my senator and will fax, mail, or whatever I have to do with it asap, but what other action can I take. I would appreciate others who were denied to give me some sound advice. Thanks

I was not the one who had been married before my fiance however has been. I can't believe that are doing this because his father said I don't know if she has been married before.

It's important you realize that something in those 70 questions and answers was unbelievable. If two of the questions were, "Do your parents approve of the marriage?" and "Do your parents know your wife was married before?" and he answered yes to both, then was contradicted by his father, he WAS lying. This is just an example but if they take lying very seriously. If they catch somebody in one lie, they treat it pretty much like parents do with their children, in that they assume there are more lies to go with the one they know about.

To know what to do next, you'll need a detailed report of the interview experience, as close to verbatim as possible.

So are you saying that this is a trick questions? Because I have never been married, why would that ask him that? I am asking these questions now because I am so overwhelmed that I can even eat breakfast. This is crazy, however, I do understand what you are saying. My fiance can speak English very well, but there are times when I have to rephrase things so that he has a better understand. Thank you very much for this post because you have given me a clearer understand of what just happened. So at this point can I reapply? Does anyone have any idea what my need step should be? All answers are greatly appreciated.

Wow--so they called up his parents. Man, I've not heard that before.

Hmm, someone will come along and offer more concrete advice regarding petitions sent back to USCIS.

Was it denied outright or were more documents requested? Were you present at the interview?

I'm sorry about your situations but Morocco is super hard.

I was not at the interview. From what my fiance is saying they did not ask him for anything else. The man just told him that he was lying and that was it. He did mention the man asking him if he spoke English, which he does. He asked him a question in English and the man told him, "Hey you speak perfect English." So it sounds like they were not even willing to listen to him.

OMG! I am glad to see that I am not the only one that this just happened too. I am devastated because the asked my fiance over seventy questions and called his family and asked them several questions and told him he was a liar and told him that was it and leave. I am so upset that I am not sure what to do. I called one of those numbers and left a message. Thank you so much for the info. I have had to be put on anxiety medicine because of this long and very upsetting process. I feel like screaming I am so upset.

O.k., I am officially about to loose my mind. Does anyone know anything that I can do about this situation. My fiance was in his interview and he says that man that he talked to asked him over seventy questions. He then asked for the number of his family and they started asking them questions. My father to be told him that he did not know if I was married before and the man hung up and told my fiance that he was lying to him and told him that he was sending the papers back to immigration. #######.... that did not say that they were going to be grilling his parents too. Please help me someone on I don't have any patience and I hate being to NO after jumping through every hoop they put other there. :crying: :crying:

Is it possible in your discussion with him to take the gender out of the equation? If I were to tell Rin I was planning a one or two week vacation alone with one of my guy friends, all hell would break loose!

The issue would be the large amount of time spent on something that put space between us. We all have precious few resources, and TIME is one of them. Rin covets our time together and would not like the idea of me 'spending' that limited resource in such a large chunk with anyone else. Of course, if that 'friend' was female, it would multiply the 'hell that broke loose' a hundred-fold!

I for one am finally glad that someone mentioned to take the gender out of things, for more reasons than one. About two weeks again I have the pleasure of taking to take to a young man from my finance's country. He was planning to marry a woman that he started a relationship with who he no longer loves because of the unforgivable things that she had done. (story way to long to tell). He was going to go through with a marriage just to get to another woman here in the states. But thank goodness the woman was a dead beat parent or it would have worked. This is not right by any means and I told him so. Gladly that was the one and only conversation I have with the young man. I do know this, time is precious so to use a big chuck of time with someone who is not the most important thing is you life is wasteful.

Several people have said that this process is long and hard enough without the extra BS that people can put you through. As said earlier if this young lady is not trying to be your friend or at least your acquaintance then there is something that she doesn't want you to know. I am not saying that its something that your fiance knows about, but there is something not being said.

Bottom line if something was bothering me my fiance would eliminate the doubt by bring things to the light. There should not be anything that is tucked away from you partner, no matter who or what the issue is. However, we can talk until we are blue inf the face. This is your life don't live uncomfortably unless you feel you can. Good luck, and may God lead you to the right decision. Take care a good friend is always a post, email, or IM away because we must be here for each other. Thank care!

As stated previous, the man has moved on to another target now and has shown no more interest in this marriage. Not only is he wasting her time it seems as if he has stopped all communication with her. Is this true... if so still hope for a Visa under such circumstances will lead you to much more heartache and sadness. Simple because it does not seem possible. I am sorry to agree with everyone else but gaining a Visa from trail of lies seem hopeless. I advise you to prepare yourself for a fresh start. I wish you the best on your next journey. Take care and God Bless.

I am proud to say that I am now a part of this feed. The wait is on..... Good luck to all!!!!!!!111 :dance: :dance:

Hello all I just wanted to say..... Our NOA2 had been APPROVED!!!!!!!!!!! Thank you all so much for your help today. If it were not from some of your responses I think I would have blown my top! :dance: :dance:

I would like to thank everyone for their responses. They relieved me and helped a lot. I am checking my email and post mail daily. I will keep everyone informed.

I am new to making post so you may see me trying to edit from time to time. I wanted thong4me not to worry my composer, Beethoven is my favorite. With that said please excuse me for my grammatical errors. They tend to crack me up. LOL

I would like to thank everyone for their responses. They relieved me and helped a lot. I am checking my email and post mail daily. I will keep everyone informed.

I would like to thank everyone for their responses. They relieved me and helped a lot. I am checking my email and post mail daily. I will keep everyone informed.

I am in full blown panic mood now. Although my fiance keeps telling me that everything is fine, I am beginning to loose my mind. I sent off all of our paperwork in June. Our packet was received on June 30. I thought everything was fine and well until I got a RFE on Oct 13. I began to see my world crumbling dowing around me but that was premature and for that I was thankful. I had only forgotten to send the copies of my plane tickets and the copies from my passport. As soon as I recieved the information I made my copies and drop everything in the overnight box at the Post Office the next day, which was received Oc t 30. After pulling all of the timelines that are coming from my service center and involving the county the visa will be obtained from I found that every case but ours has progressed forward (at or around the same time our paperwork was recieved) Even with the pause in the case I do not see why it is now almost the end of Nov and I still have not heard anything. With that being said, I am currently wondering if I should scream now or wait for another few weeks. Does anyone have any advice or thoughts on the matter that will help me keep my composer?

By the way--- I wish everyone a very Happy Thanksgiving!!!!!!

Hassan and I met online too. I thought it was easier to get to know someone this way, but these are only my thoughts.

I must say when I began to read this post my heart jumped into my chest and started to look for an escape hatch, but then I thought of how Hassan's whole body shook when he took my hand into his after I walked through doors of the Casablanca Airport I am filled again with his love. Some men can put on an act that will make your want to leap from the High Atlas Mountain, but they make tiny mistakes that we are too in love to see. All of my life I have been in love with this man or the other but it was only me who was in love. I have finally found someone who loves me back and would do anything to make me happy and he is a Moroccan man. All my life I knew that my man would be as noble as an Arabian Knight. I just didn't know he would truely turn out to be one. So please do not trash talk Moroccan people I now have a Moroccan mother and father in-law, four sisters and three brother who have all welcomed me into their hearts with gifts, love, and so many hugs that I can't what to go back for more. Your words have offended many people including me. I wish you the best because it is not easly to be fooled by love. I know this because I have been there too. May God bless your and guide you to your true happiness.

Tea

It is good to know that I am not the only one who is worried to death about this process . I received a request for information which made me crazy (by the way) and I got that all taken care of. My information was received on the 30th of Oct. and still no response. It is now the 16th of Nov. and I feel like sreaming. I know it has hardly been two weeks but as someone mentioned earlier I see timelines where it took no time for my service center to take the next step. My finance keeps telling me not to worry that the hard part is over but when it has been eight whole months since you last held hands, watched a movie in the dark, and made each other laugh until one of you had tears rolling down your face, you get a little furstrated. This has been the hardest thing that I have ever had to do in my life. I do get joy in knowing that its almost over, but i still fill like screaming !