Ramialbali

Can you please update us about your situation when you travelled back to USA ?
I have similar situation and need to return back after 5 months away with expired re-entry permit but total absence of around two years.

There are so many questions about this video. A German newspaper found out some rather fascinating details about how it was made. You're probably not interested, though.
But, since you like dancing and since you like Fox News, why don't you Google "Dancing Israelis + Carl Cameron + Fox News."
Cha cha cha !

Your eyes are still not quite seeing. The Palestinian man did not "approach rapidly" - at :43, he standing in place - about 10 feet away from the soldier. The soldier is the one who rapidly approaches, shoving the Palestinian man and then sticking the gun in his face.
It is absolutely criminal, because the occupation is illegal - the Israeli soldiers have no right to even be there, much less abduct people, or even try to force people to "shut up" or "get out of here." The Palestinian is the one who is within his rights here, not that soldier.
I am starting to get the idea that you think the Palestinians should be kneeling at the Israelis' feet while they complete stealing what's left of Palestine - or better yet, just disappear. Well, it's not happening.
What are you watching ???? In the third video, the soldiers have a Palestinian protestor already in their hands - he is not resisting at all. He is not injured until they shove him on the ground and pull his arm behind his back where they proceed to break his hand - on purpose. Don't you hear him screaming as they do it ?
I know it is very hard to watch this video, and even more difficult for you because it is the IDF doing it - the military that you admire and respect. You keep trying to make it fit the framework of what you believe - that this is a normal situation, a normal "arrest," and the army is behaving in a normal way like any armed force in the world would behave. But it's not normal (at least in "Western democracies") to hold a person helpless on the ground while you intentionally break his bones.
And this is not some isolated incident - there is a long history of "the breaking of bones" of Palestinians, which reportedly was an order from Yitzhak Rabin on how to handle protestors during the First Intifada. At any rate, IDF soldiers do this sort of thing all the time to Palestinian civilians, and almost never are they punished in any way - even when it's caught on tape.
Most of what really goes on in the West Bank and Gaza is hidden from average Israelis, not to mention average Americans. They see only one tiny fraction of the story - the part that Israel wants them to see - and they believe they are fully "informed" because they've seen that side. I can tell you personally, it is quite a shock to find out that everything you were ever taught about something, and believed without question, is a complete lie.
These Palestinians are on their own land - they are not in Israel. They are in their own village, protesting the illegal seizure of their property - their homes, their farms, their village lands - by the Israeli army in order to expand illegal Israeli settlements in the West Bank. In this particular protest, the villagers of Beit Ummar are protesting their lands being sliced away by the settlement of Karmei Tzur.


As you can see, this illegal settlement is well within the West Bank. It is part of the attempt to separate Hebron from Palestine. Once a settlement is inserted between Palestinian villages and population centers, then additional land is systematically seized to expand these settlements, and to build the Israeli-only roads which connect settlements to each other and to Israel "proper." This is the mechanism which allows the Israelis to insert a wedge to divide Palestinians in one village from another, enclose them into separate "cantons," and control any travel or movement of goods between Palestinian areas.
What is hilarious is the reaction of some in this thread (not you - you have been very decent and willing to discuss, and have made your points in a reasonable way) who have gone completely off the rails because they've been confronted with this other side of the story. As if people don't get to hear enough of the official Israeli version of events every time they turn on CNN, Fox News, ABC, NBC, CBS, MSNBC, the New York Times, the Wall Street Journal, and on and on and on....
But it seems any voice at all from the Palestinian side cannot be tolerated - you can see the bullying tactics used to try to silence it in this thread. I have been called a terrorist, an extremist, someone who calls for the "Death of Israel," who "doesn't think Jewish people should have a state," says "it's ok to kill Israelis," etc. etc. etc. - just because I've cited international law and the Geneva Convention, and posted alternate views from various reporters, including Israelis. Now that's an extremist mentality !

My two cents. Mawilson has an indefensible position. We got sh!t on in the 30s and 40s, therefore we have the right to sh!t on everyone else that doesn't agree with the Israeli govt's attempt to take the small piece of the small pie that is left in the west bank. Anyone that that thinks Israel wants peace is seriously deluded. They want LAND. They are going to play that victim card from the 30s and 40s to the end. We get it.. The Nazis tried to exterminate you. That does not give you Carte Blanche to do the same thing.
I'm agnostic, so I don't give a shite either way. But this thing is pretty much blanket occupation with the US giving a:

Diversion and falsehoods take away from the issue at hand, I have yet to hear any condemnation about the MURDER of Palestinians from YOU. Asking for basic human rights makes someone an extremist? I forgot they are terrorists, bloody-thirsty savages who dare to live. We'll slaughter them in the streets, but since they don't believe in OUR peace, we'll preemptively slaughter them in the streets they way Pharaoh killed our first-born males. We'd drive them to the sea but that highway is only for our use.

Nor can there be with those who refuse to see the truth, that would make you delusional and an extremist.
I will not rest my case until there is no more injustice.

Well there you have it. Citing international law and the Geneva Convention makes one an "extremist."
Your posts are the intellectual equivalent of a ponzi scheme - built on deceit and fraud, delivering nothing of substance or value, and bilking the reader of any net gain.

And there it is. Ma Wilson distorting and lying again, and pretending it's fact.
Nothing further, your dishonor.

Henry Siegman agrees that Israel has never wanted "peace;" it wants "land":

Today in Jerusalem...

Israel hasn't defined its own borders so it can continue to encroach on refugee lands.

So who has been in Palestine for millenia, long before the Ashkenazim showed up with their ideas? Sephardim? Sure, some. Who else? Native Treaties have been broken how many times? Ariel Sharon in the 1970s set out a plan to emulate the reservation concept that he saw in North America and told the U.S. envoy (who was Jewish) it during a tour. The envoy was not happy.
Israel keeps bombing infrastructure and preventing a contiguous state of Palestine from forming, the blockades prevent the movement of industrial machinery that are built to manufacture goods that Israeli companies have contracted for. It doesn't make sense. How can a country run if it can't control its own borders?

We use quote marks to indicate a quote. As if you didn't know “the only democracy” line is like #11 on the Top 100 Hasbara Talking Points - you can find everyone from Israeli presidents to ambassadors to IDF spokespeople rattling it off. Here is Nutty’s performance:
http://www.mfa.gov.il/MFA/Government/Speeches+by+Israeli+leaders/2011/YouTube_World_View_interview_PM_Netanyahu_30-Mar-2011
Now for the continuing slide away from democracy...
* The "Nakba Law" (another gem from Yisrael Beiteinu, the far-right wing party led by former nightclub bouncer Avigdor Lieberman) was passed earlier this year - it forbids public commemoration of the expulsion of 750,000 Palestinians in 1948.
* The "Admissions Committees Law" passed this year (also from Yisrael Beiteinu) allows small towns in the Galilee and Negev to establish "admission committees" to decide who to allow to live there. If a potential resident is deemed not to fit with the "socio-cultural" tenor of the town - they may be rejected. This law effectively allows towns to self-segregate - and it is directly targeted at the two areas where much of the Arab Israeli population is concentrated: the Galilee and the Negev. It's part of a systematic plan to make it more and more and more difficult for the Israeli Arab population to find anywhere to live in Israel except their ghettos, many of course which are not recognized by the Israeli government, receive little or no government services such as electricity, water, schools, etc., and may be bulldozed at any time.
* And currently there are two more bills being pushed by Yisrael Beiteinu along with Netanyahu’s Likud which are intended to further curtail dissent and debate in Israel. The first one would establish a “commission of inquiry“ to investigate left-leaning human rights groups like B’Tselem. (Remember Lieberman is the guy who called human rights groups “collaborators with terror”...)
* The second proposal (presented by Likud) would give a special Knesset committee the power to veto appointments to the Israeli Supreme Court - which some are calling not only an attempt to direct the Court’s opinion, but also to intimidate the current judges who will, no doubt, soon be ruling on the legality of the Boycott Law.
During its last days, Apartheid South Africa also escalated repressive measures.
Even Jeffrey Goldberg is saying it...
Maybe It's Time for American Jews to Boycott Netanyahu
Notice he put “only democracy” in quotes, too
My time is short today... back later with comments about the Ottoman laws and much much more !

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B4nF-BTclRM

One state or two state, it doesn't matter. PEACE is the only game in town.

New BDS video from Canadian filmmaker John Greyson, who will sail with the international Freedom Flotilla 2 later this month, traveling on the Canadian boat, the Tahrir.

Speaking of lies, half-truths and shams.....
Israeli PM Netanyahu: I "stopped" Oslo peace process

Interesting. So the cycle of abuse continues. The student outshines the master.

But... that would let 1.5 million Gazans out of their cage, not to mention throw a huge monkey wrench into the whole West Bank settlement project ! I don't know what you're thinking...

There is absolutely no evidence that any of the Flotilla boats or members have anything at all to do with transporting any missiles. Nothing. Nil. Nada. Zilch.
Palestinians and several other countries have suggested UN peacekeepers many times. It is Israel that refuses that idea.

BTW, I am the one who said 'Torturing million'
4.7 Millions Palestinian refugees isn't torturing millions. Jail 2,568,555 Million people in the West Bank by building the Speration Wall around them isn't torturing million. The Nazi regime did not last decades torturing and occupying lands, but The Israeli cleansing still going on since 63 years ago.
Many Israeli People got the point and there are many Israeli peace activists in the West Bank protest againts their occupation but you did not get that there is cleansing going on.

What do you call it? Security?
Let them call it whatever they want, Freedom of Speech!! Isn't it? Hold on!! Arabs do not have freedom, but Israel has to say whatever they want and occupy whatever land they like!!
*whisper* Israel, do not give Palestinian their own country because Arabs will keep calling you OCCUPATION which you are!! Keep torturing millions of them, occupying their lands, control their movements and increase the number of Palestinian refugee by a couple more millions!!

Foreigners kick you off of land your family has owned for countless generation by force of arms, bulldoze the home you lived in, and use an excavator to pull up all your crops before you can harvest them, then restrict your movements within your own country, or place you in a concentration camp. That is as good a definition for occupation as any.

Did you have any other specific criticism, other than the ethnicity of the writers ?