Philosykos

As a side note: As I was browsing the guides, I saw that VJ recommends to submit evidence of bona fide marriage for AOS as well. I wasn't consulting VJ much when we filed for AOS, and we did not submit ANY such evidence with that application, only the required forms and documents. I received the Green Card quickly and without an interview. I believe for AOS, the official instructions do not not call for bona fide evidence (but maye I overlooked something).

I am in the same boat as you, except for now the wife is on the joint accounts with all the investments, but not the house. When we decide the stock market has gone up enough, (fingers crossed for the first quarter of 2012) we will sell off the stocks and pay off the house. At that time she will not be on any of the financial assets, but I will put her on the house. I tend to agree that a substantial asset that is co-owned is worth more than all the phone bills and affidavits from friends. I also am not going to let someone in an office at some federal agency dictate how I should invest my money. So we are living our lives and trying to keep the marriage together, and my feeling after our first anniversary is that if we are still married that should be good enough, but we will have some things co-mingled for the USCIS.

As far as the address, just put your current address on the form. I saved the on-line AR-11 confirmation and have a copy of my I-865 NOA for changing the address of the sponsor. You did change the address of the person who filed the I-864 did you not?! If not, that is the form I would submit ASAP.

Good luck and congrats on reaching this part of the journey.

Dave

Thanks for your response, Dave - yes, we did file the I-865 and I believe I have the NOA for that somewhere. My files aren't very organized because we've been renovating the house for almost two years... I agree that the government shouldn't be able to dictate how couples manage their finances. I bet there are a ton of US couples who keep separate bank accounts. I will join his now, but I'll send the I-751 off before that. If they don't think the evidence we present is enough, they can send an RFE. I was just hoping to hear from someone who might not have gone by the "the more ammo the better" strategy either. I think that strategy is more justified when you don't have anything really substantial to show for. We'll try quality rather than quantity and hope for the best.

Best wishes to you and everyone else!

Thank you for your responses. I would also believe that they update their system with the address I use on the I-751, but can anybody else confirm that?

I know that joint bank statements would help, but I was asking if what we can present (see above) would be sufficient. We could join bank accounts now, but haven't done so yet because there was no need (I already had a US bank account before I moved here on the my K1 visa, so I just kept that, but I pay my credit cards out of his account, because there is more money in it).

I certainly know that I do not NEED letters from friends or family - if you read Gary's post about his chat with the director, those kinds of affidavits don't carry a lot of weight. Financial assets do, and I am hoping that a jointly owned house (which trumps all other assets in magnitude) should be plenty of evidence, especially if accompanied by joint insurance etc.

We are about to file for ROC, and I realize that I cannot remember if I filed the AR-11 or not after we bought our house in April 2010. I am almost certain I did, but I am not 100% sure. I do have a record of my husband filing his sponsor change of address form, but not of the AR-11.

Anyway, besides my worry about whether there might be consequences should I indeed have forgotten to file the AR-11, I am wondering if I should simply file AR-11 again in order to be sure they have the correct address for their responses to the I-751, or if putting the new address on the I-751 and assuming that I did file AR-11 will be enough, because they will use that address. I don't want to stir anything up if I indeed filed the address change as I was supposed to.

What would you do? Thanks in advance.

And another question: Will joint ownership of the house, joint health insurance, me as a beneficiary of his life insurance, and joint tax returns be enough for initial evidence? We didn't join bank accounts simply because we haven't made the effort to do so, and I can pay my credit cards out of his checking account regardless. He could add me to his main account now (it's something we should probably do anyways), but I personally feel the other evidence should be enough for this. Overall, I don't understand the piling of evidence in this process. Doesn't a substantial joint asset such as a house, along with the demonstration of the currency of the marriage by, say, joint health insurance, already prove that we are not a scam? Why burden them with a huge pile of papers?

Bad advice IMO.

I called USCIS about this and they said to get your AOS done prior to being out of status. Which is controlled by your I-94. (Calling USCIS will produce different answers - several questions I have asked showed this to me).

So - you should base everything on what the current law says with the I-94. (I will keep it related to the K-1) - because that is what will be used, not some persons "comments".

Your "out of status" starts the day after your I-94 expires. Your "out of status" clock starts ticking. Coming in on a K-1 does not change this. Being married does not change this. Read the link provided above - it makes no mention of a K-1 or any visa for that matter.

If you leave the US after getting 180+ of out of status, and attempt to re-enter the US, you could face a ban. Even, (and confirmed with USCIS), if you are granted the AP, you are still subject to the ban. States that in the AP instructions (you will also notice that it makes no difference if your on a K-1 or not)

So - everyone that comes here intending to adjust status should do so as soon as possible. There is really no reason to wait. You should know the cost prior to doing it (If your coming in on a K-1) - so lack of funds should not figure into this.

Now - with that said, most people will have no issue with adjusting (even if late), however, some people have had issues, so I believe it is wrong to give people "wiggle" room - because they would suffer "if" they get picked for more intense scrunity. Which means to me if I have to "scare" someone to staying "legal" - I will do so....

The choice is up to you in the end, so it will be only you to suffer if you delayed and get "caught"

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Yes, in areas where there are a lot of illegal traffic, they (ICE/CBP) setup checkpoints to check for illegals. Sometimes they check at bus depots, or even in airports.

Some definitions - notice it does not mention exceptions for K-1's.

Per the "State.gov"

Oh, and just to make that clear: I also did not say that a K-1 visa holder is exempt from the I-94 rules. I only stated that a K-1 visa holder who got married within 90 days and then is out of status for a few weeks, if 'caught', will very likely be treated differently than someone who overstays a visitor visa (NOT intended for immigration), then gets married while out of status, and then fails to file for AOS in a timely manner.

Bad advice IMO.

I called USCIS about this and they said to get your AOS done prior to being out of status. Which is controlled by your I-94. (Calling USCIS will produce different answers - several questions I have asked showed this to me).

So - you should base everything on what the current law says with the I-94. (I will keep it related to the K-1) - because that is what will be used, not some persons "comments".

Your "out of status" starts the day after your I-94 expires. Your "out of status" clock starts ticking. Coming in on a K-1 does not change this. Being married does not change this. Read the link provided above - it makes no mention of a K-1 or any visa for that matter.

If you leave the US after getting 180+ of out of status, and attempt to re-enter the US, you could face a ban. Even, (and confirmed with USCIS), if you are granted the AP, you are still subject to the ban. States that in the AP instructions (you will also notice that it makes no difference if your on a K-1 or not)

So - everyone that comes here intending to adjust status should do so as soon as possible. There is really no reason to wait. You should know the cost prior to doing it (If your coming in on a K-1) - so lack of funds should not figure into this.

Now - with that said, most people will have no issue with adjusting (even if late), however, some people have had issues, so I believe it is wrong to give people "wiggle" room - because they would suffer "if" they get picked for more intense scrunity. Which means to me if I have to "scare" someone to staying "legal" - I will do so....

The choice is up to you in the end, so it will be only you to suffer if you delayed and get "caught"

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Yes, in areas where there are a lot of illegal traffic, they (ICE/CBP) setup checkpoints to check for illegals. Sometimes they check at bus depots, or even in airports.

Some definitions - notice it does not mention exceptions for K-1's.

Per the "State.gov"

Please note that I was not advising anyone to file late. As I said above, I agree everyone should file as soon as possible (and certainly not accumulate more than 180 days out of status!). All I was saying is that there is no need to worry if filing gets delayed a few weeks (such as because the marriage license is received late), since I have yet to hear about a K-1 visa holder getting in trouble for doing so, and the US government doesn't have any interest in penalizing a US citizen and his legal spouse in this situation. And I was not referring to you, Bobby, when I mentioned the 'attempt to scare'. I never get that vibe from your posts.

My I-94 has expired but prior to it expiring I contacted USCIS to find out whether there was a deadline. This is what I was told when I told him I was K1 and married within 90 days:

"as long as you entered legally and married within the 90 days there is no deadline for AOS, however, you may encounter issues if you get too close to the boarders". He also advised that carrying my marriage licence and passport with the K1 will stop me getting locked up BUT that if I do get "caught" while out of status that I will need to file AOS immediately. I also (like I knew) can't leave the country.

Thanks for posting this info from USCIS, there seems to be a lot of confusion on this issue here. In another thread on the topic, someone tried to scare the OP by referencing the experience of a guy who was locked up and fined after having been out of status (yet married) on a visitor's visa, suggesting this might happen to a K-1. A K-1 holder, however, is in a very different situation, and as long as you can produce evidence of your legal entry and marriage, I highly doubt they would do anything to you but make you file AOS right away. The only firm deadline for a K-1 holder is to get married within 90 days, and it is only in your interest to file for AOS as soon as possible after the wedding in order to be able to work and travel internationally. Nobody will start removal proceedings against you as long as you don't do anything illegal.

We filed for AOS three weeks after I-94 expiration, and in the meantime I carried my passport and marriage license around, along with my valid US driver's license for general ID (which I have from my previous stay). While I would recommend to anyone to file for AOS as soon as possible, I would also say not to worry if you don't manage to do it within 90 days of arrival on a K-1.

(As a side note, I am wondering what border controls people are referring to when they say not to get anywhere near the borders while out of status? Are there officers walking around checking on people? I just spent a week out of status just across the lake from Canada and needless to say, I had zero contact with any CBP officers... Maybe those random checks on US territory are more common near the Mexican border? But the abovementioned guy cited in the other thread was busted on a bus to New York. What kind of checks are those? Just curious.)

As ColtSeavers said, just order an international birth certificate from the city where he was born. You should be able to locate the office in charge by searching for Geburtsurkunde on the city's website. It's much cheaper than getting his old one translated.

There's a thread in an adjacent forum which you may want to peruse if you are considering leaving your spouse out of status.

How does 16 days behind bars and $25,000 sound? http://www.visajourney.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=229821

When the I-94 expires, so does your legal status unless you have changed your status to "adjustment pending" by filing for AOS. Then your proof of legal status is the NOA1 from that filing.

O.k., interesting, but no need to try scaring people, Nik+Heather. This guy wasn't a K-1, he got married on an expired visitor's visa. Very different situation.

If it really got you into serious trouble to file outside of the validity of the I-94, they would surely alert you to that somewhere. My letter from the consulate accompanying the visa stated clearly that I was required to marry the petitioner within 90 days of entering the United States. It did not state that I had to file for Adjustment of Status within that time frame as well. The IO at the airport also reminded me that I had to get married within 90 days. No word of filing for AOS within that time frame either. And how would someone who got married on day 89 do that anyway? Our church takes around six weeks to crank out the official marriage certificate...

I have yet to hear about a K-1 who was deported or incarcerated for filing for AOS a few weeks late. That said, I (being a couple of weeks out of status now, due to waiting for some documents) am planning to get onto a bus to New York tomorrow... So I better don't count my chickens yet!

Happy Thanksgiving everyone!

We are putting together the AOS package, and I have a couple of questions:

1. I read in Ewok's FAQ post from 2007 that if all vaccination requirements were met before the visa was issued, the I-693 was not needed. However, elsewhere here I read you need to get it filled out by a CS and submit it. Which information is correct? (Since we are a bit late with filing for AOS, it would speed things up if we could skip the I-693.)

2. The only vaccination I don't have yet is a flu shot. I was thinking about getting one anyway (but wanted the H1N1, which wasn't available to the general public until now), but again, getting it before filing would slow things down (all I'm worried about with delays is having let the 90 window pass -- we are not rushed to get a work permit or AP at this point). Is the flu shot a requirement for AOS from K-1 or not?

Thanks in advance!

hey every1...the interview is comming up in a few days...any tips????....once my fiancee is approved is there any issues that can happen after???

Frankfurt is super easy and friendly... You don't have anything to worry about if you have your papers in order. Germany is a low fraud country, so they didn't want to see any of the relationship evidence I brought (that seems to be the norm according to the reviews), very few questions were asked, and I got my visa a week after the interview. Two weeks later I happily arrived in the country. You'll be fine, too!

You are still at a point when you can move on. Just because he has his visa does not mean you have to go through with marriage.

You also have 90 days in the US to decide whether you want to marry him. Once you do marry, you have to accept his behavior on a permanent basis pretty much. Your getting mad is not going to change much. You both have to talk it out on the issues. Tell him that his getting into debt upsets you, see what he says.

I agree with this answer completely. You do have 90 days. In 90 days alot of information about a person can be obtained when you live together.

I think the requirement should be changed to 180 days as 90 is not really long enough for a test of living together..Then deciding to Marry. But it has been this way for a very long time now. It really should be changed to more than 90 days.............But....This is just my personal opinion..........

Um...it is not a "maybe fiancee visa". It is not a "shack up visa" It is a fiancee visa. This means you intend to marry within 90 days and have already made that decision. I don't understand. People say it takes too long to get the visa then want more time to "decide"??????????? Personally I wouldn't have a problem if they shortened the requirement to 10 days and made you deposit the AOS fee UP FRONT.

sara

I completely agree with Sara and Gary. It is VERY annoying to wait in line for the visa with people who barely know each other, and have yet to figure out if they actually really want to get married. This is not what this visa is for. Unfortunately, it seems to be used that way rather often.

And while I think the OP should just calm down regarding the two weeks he's taking, I think she should be seriously alarmed by his plans of 'maxing out' his credit lines. I would NEVER marry someone who does something like that. Trust, as Gary said, is essential in a relationship, and how can you trust someone who doesn't see anything wrong with theft?

Two weeks? That's really not much to prepare for a move around the world. I agree with everything Gary said (and guess what, Gary and pizzadude -- I'm a western girl! Even they can be mature...).

I simply meant to ask what we might expect if we did what is legally sound.

A good & fair question. From post #51: "If you exercise your rights they cannot hold this against you in any way." I see that you have already responded to that poster's later post, which as always is excellent.

Yes, and I had also read his comment in post #51. I do believe that they cannot officially hold it against you if you exercise your rights, but what about the statement that someone made early on, namely that they are not required to grant your AOS either? Are we truly at their mercy for that? It is often said that immigration is a benefit and not a right, however, I have always been wondering if denying a USC the right to choose whom they want to marry, including someone from another country, and live with them in their own country (the US), isn't infringing on their constitutional right to the pursuit of happiness...

I completely agree with TBoneTx. However, I will admit that before reading this thread and not knowing the legal situation in the US on searches like that, I would also have let them in, feeling that we have nothing to hide. Being better informed now, I would not want to let them in without warrant and attorney present, but I still wonder what will happen if we deny their request? Will this cause problems that we most likely wouldn't have had if we had let them check our living situation?

I'll admit that I don't really expect a home visit at all, given that we have been in a relationship for almost four years, have lived together in the US already in the past while I was on another visa, and with me being from a country just as prosperous as the US and having given up a good job to come here... but who knows, maybe they pull this off on people with zero red flags as well. So what do you think will happen in practice if we insist on our constitutional rights? Will we then actually need an attorney?

There have been three occasions in my life where a law enforcement officer asked to enter my home. This was in three different states. I politely asked if they had a warrant. They said "no", so I asked them to go get one. In all three instances, they did not return with a warrant. This is because they didn't have enough evidence to convince a judge that a warrant was justified. They were just "fishing", and hoping to catch something.

I have never had any consequences as a result of these incidents. In one case, I even saw one of the cops frequently at a local restaurant. We chatted occasionally, and it was always friendly conversation.

The United States is not a police state (at least, not yet). You cannot be punished for exercising your rights. By the same token, you should not allow a law enforcement officer to intimidate you into giving up your rights. A large number of people are arrested and convicted every year because they gave up their rights and consented to a search, and then thought they could talk their way out of it and gave up their right to remain silent. Law enforcement officers are very well aware of how successful they can be if they can scare you into giving up your rights. Don't do it. Insist that they follow the laws they are sworn to uphold, and get a warrant.

Thank you very much for this very informative response, JimVaPhuong. We'll know what to do should they indeed show up at our doorstep!

Sorry, I really didn't mean to invite applause from you, Linkin. I don't want to offend you, but I have to make it clear that even if you may think so, I do NOT AT ALL agree with anything you posted here in this thread. I think your arguments, written in barely comprehensible English that makes cringe at every sentence, only show that you are not getting the point at all. I simply meant to ask what we might expect if we did what is legally sound.

thx for sharing your thoughts! This is what i have been trying to explain to this fine guy...asking for consitutional rights is perfectly fine but with Immi laws, you have to be more flexible. You realy never know whats ahead waiting for you...Again ask for the rights is somewhat differnet but sometimes when certain things go wrong, you need to mould yourself especially if you are dealing with Immigration laws...

I completely agree with TBoneTx. However, I will admit that before reading this thread and not knowing the legal situation in the US on searches like that, I would also have let them in, feeling that we have nothing to hide. Being better informed now, I would not want to let them in without warrant and attorney present, but I still wonder what will happen if we deny their request? Will this cause problems that we most likely wouldn't have had if we had let them check our living situation?

I'll admit that I don't really expect a home visit at all, given that we have been in a relationship for almost four years, have lived together in the US already in the past while I was on another visa, and with me being from a country just as prosperous as the US and having given up a good job to come here... but who knows, maybe they pull this off on people with zero red flags as well. So what do you think will happen in practice if we insist on our constitutional rights? Will we then actually need an attorney?

Na alles klar, kannst du auch sprechen deutsch!????

I completely agree with TBoneTx. However, I will admit that before reading this thread and not knowing the legal situation in the US on searches like that, I would also have let them in, feeling that we have nothing to hide. Being better informed now, I would not want to let them in without warrant and attorney present, but I still wonder what will happen if we deny their request? Will this cause problems that we most likely wouldn't have had if we had let them check our living situation?

I'll admit that I don't really expect a home visit at all, given that we have been in a relationship for almost four years, have lived together in the US already in the past while I was on another visa, and with me being from a country just as prosperous as the US and having given up a good job to come here... but who knows, maybe they pull this off on people with zero red flags as well. So what do you think will happen in practice if we insist on our constitutional rights? Will we then actually need an attorney?

I completely agree with TBoneTx. However, I will admit that before reading this thread and not knowing the legal situation in the US on searches like that, I would also have let them in, feeling that we have nothing to hide. Being better informed now, I would not want to let them in without warrant and attorney present, but I still wonder what will happen if we deny their request? Will this cause problems that we most likely wouldn't have had if we had let them check our living situation?

I'll admit that I don't really expect a home visit at all, given that we have been in a relationship for almost four years, have lived together in the US already in the past while I was on another visa, and with me being from a country just as prosperous as the US and having given up a good job to come here... but who knows, maybe they pull this off on people with zero red flags as well. So what do you think will happen in practice if we insist on our constitutional rights? Will we then actually need an attorney?

Yeah it took 7 months!! That was a hard wait. Hopefully the rest will be faster.

According to your timeline, it took over 8 months! I'm sorry you had to wait that long, that sucks. Glad you got approved now.

Sorry, I miscalculated... hehe, math... And I wondered why you understated your wait... It was still too long, of course! Hope things go more quickly for you now.

Yeah it took 7 months!! That was a hard wait. Hopefully the rest will be faster.

According to your timeline, it took over 8 months! I'm sorry you had to wait that long, that sucks. Glad you got approved now.

firdaus, what do you mean, interview in May?? You should get an interview in September (if not August), if you send them packet 3 now. Good luck!

My logic is what will it hurt to call the person within your congress man's office that handles immigration issues and have them make an inquiry?

I'm sure it is just a standard letter sent to the USCIS. It is my understanding that once the USCIS receives a congressional inquiry the USCIS must respond within a short timeframe as to the status of the petition.

It is one way to get their attention quickly.

The willingness to help I would assume just depends on the individual you are talking to.

If they are willing to help and make contact with the USCIS chances are the petition will start being processed...

Not so much.

First of all, you can't just call. They have to have a signed release form from you before they can start making any inquiries.

Next, when the congressman's office inquires, USCIS tells them that they need up to 120 days to respond to any inquiry.

Best of all, if your petition is still within USCIS's "current processing times" (i.e., the time posted on their website that's updated once a month and already 45 days out of date at the time of posting), they won't do a blessed thing. Your file won't even get a touch.

Been there, done that. Unless you have a very good congressman, it's most likely wasted effort.

I wish people would quit presenting their experience as if they were the general truth... I understand your frustration having a useless congressional rep, but it would be better not to infer a general or even probable hopelessness from your own experience. My personal experience is that congressional representatives (or their caseworkers) can do a lot for you if they want to, and others here seem to have that kind of experience as well.

Ours pushed the delayed processing of our petition (o.k., 5.5 months, but at that point VSC had definitely moved on to processing February and March rather than January filers and we had been passed over) to completion. Just for the record, we had a straightforward and completely legitimate case, the only thing special was that I had already studied and worked in the US for years (always legal, and we included the documents proving that in the petition), and we had actually lived together already. I'll admit that whether or not the congresswoman's caseworker helped speed thing up is all speculation, but if nothing else it simply felt good to have someone helping us and to get some real information about the status.

He seemed to be quite invested in helping with immigration issues, he was willing to inquire on a weekly basis from 5 months of waiting on, he knew the people he was talking to at USCIS, and he got calls back within a day giving him real time information about the status of our petition (information that was different from the incorrect information my fiancé had gotten from calling USCIS himself -- something we quickly quit doing once we knew the congressional office was working on it, because -- as we were told by USCIS, who knows if it's true -- once a file has a congressional flag, it's in a different place and to keep calling yourself can actually delay things further). When we were approved and my fiancé called the congresswoman's caseworker to let him know, the first thing he asked was "Shall I give NVC a call to see if they have shipped it to Frankfurt yet?" (which wasn't necessary anymore at that point).

I know there are people who are less fortunate and whose representatives just brush them off with the 6-months rule, and possibly don't even do anything after that. However, it is important to know that they CAN help if they apply themselves to it. I will forever be grateful to ours for doing so. (Moreover, I wouldn't be surprised if the congressional flag on our petition preempted any potential ideas to put us in AP at NVC, but of course that's just speculation as well).

However, I would generally say wait until you see on Igor's List that USCIS is basically done processing petitions that were filed during the same month as yours, and is largely focusing on the next, while you are one of the few left behind. That is the time to get congressional help, no matter what the "official" processing time is.

People get away with it because the burden falls on the United States to prove that the intent was not to be a tourist----a very hard thing to prove unless one goes into their office and says "Our intent was not to be a tourist"....Unless they fix that loophole, many a many people will be claiming touristic intents.

It doesn't sound like the intent question would play any role in this case -- given the OP intends to get married and then leave the country, in order to file for a spouse visa for her return. Anybody can legally get married on any kind of visa and leave.

I don't think you can apply for an F-1, being married to a US citizen. Maybe it would be possible if the two of you indeed had the intention to leave the US again after you complete your studies, but my guess is that they won't buy that even if it's true, unless you had tangible proof.

For the F-1, since it's a non-immigrant visa, you have to submit "proof" that you intend to leave the US after you get your degree. In my case, that "proof" was simply a letter stating that I had so many ties to Europe that I was for sure returning. Which I did. In your case, with a USC spouse, I don't think they would be convinced by such a statement.

I think you should apply for a spouse visa NOW. Then your chances are pretty good to get it by the start of the academic year 2010, which would be your next chance to start grad school anyway. Is your spouse abroad with you? Then you could do DCF, which is faster, I believe.

I'm not an expert on this but i do know one thing...the L-1 can be used to get a green card. My dad did this, so its completely legal. Now, personally, I don't think it would be considered visa fraud since your husband WILL be working with his working visa. I don't want to offend anyone, but I think sometimes people here get to paranoid at the fact that other people may have a easier, faster option, because they want everyone to go through exactly what they went through. In my onpinion, you should consult an immigration attourney to make sure getting the L-1 visa, immigrating and then adjusting status through marriage is legal. If it is, then go ahead and do it, if you can get you husband here in less time then lucky you, and I shouldn't have to resent you for that.

I often get exactly that impression here, too. And I would also add it to the "things I hate about VJ" thread... Much more annoying than cheesy screen names.

I am not paranoid. My process took about 9 months. I am however, not willing to tell someone "oh, sure it's fine come in and get married on a visa that is not supposed to be for that". Doing so is going against the Terms of Service.... which you might want to read one day

Coming into the US with a visa that has no stipulated marriage clause, with the intent to get married is not cool. quite simple. It is not a "faster"option, it is hoodwinking the US government.

Please note that I did not violate the terms of service (which is proven by the fact that my posts have not been removed), so I do not need any condescending advice on reading them, thank you.

Nowhere did I advocate fraud. The problem in this thread was that you and some others cried fraud where there was none. The larger problem (here and in other threads) is what I perceive as an aggressive, self-righteous way to respond to other members, and as far as the tone is concerned, it doesn't matter if what they are thinking of doing is legal or not. One can and should point out the illegality in a more courteous way. Often people simply don't know the laws yet, and are here to learn. They don't deserve to be bashed for that.

i need to kno what exactly is needed for packet 3 for the american consulate in frankfurt,germany...what needs to be signed....please someone with experience tell me what they sent themselves and not any links because i have seen all of them

First, you as the USC need to sign and send your fiancée the affidavit of support, which she needs for the interview. You don't need to sign anything for packet 3 itself. Note that "packet 3" from Frankfurt is just a letter with instructions on where to download the forms.

Once she has the affidavit and all other required documents on the checklist, your fiancée needs to sign it, along with the forms that are mentioned in the header on the first page of the checklist (except the sworn statement which she will sign in front of the consular officer), and mail it to the consulate.

Then they will send her "packet 4", which is just the appointment letter with the interview date, and an info sheet about security.

I'm not an expert on this but i do know one thing...the L-1 can be used to get a green card. My dad did this, so its completely legal. Now, personally, I don't think it would be considered visa fraud since your husband WILL be working with his working visa. I don't want to offend anyone, but I think sometimes people here get to paranoid at the fact that other people may have a easier, faster option, because they want everyone to go through exactly what they went through. In my onpinion, you should consult an immigration attourney to make sure getting the L-1 visa, immigrating and then adjusting status through marriage is legal. If it is, then go ahead and do it, if you can get you husband here in less time then lucky you, and I shouldn't have to resent you for that.

I often get exactly that impression here, too. And I would also add it to the "things I hate about VJ" thread... Much more annoying than cheesy screen names.