BinhJerome

It is 18, but I think that if you are filing for a country that is worried about fraud if you are only 18 to 20 good luck. Most people that young are thought of as being a little bit immature or not as ready for such a long and hard commitment. I think this thinking is bull, but if you look at the divorce rate in America with people under 21 there might be some fact to it. Good luck though

Jerome

Sorry to hear about second blue. I agree with Scott, I think it is bull and the Co are the reason they are so back logged. I understand that they need time, but heck if all they actually get is the evidence and 1 interview why can't they make the decision. That or at least call us out for what they think are bad spots or red flags and see what we have to say about it. If they keep passing us along eventually they will either get to it or what I think they do is wait until they get so many then just deny a bunch at once this way when they get sent back and we complain there are to many people complaining so they can not actually look into it. Any way good luck bro, I am sure it will all work out

Jerome

At least you got to talk with the Co. Binh went in and turned in the evidence when we realized that I was there to late in the day to get it notorized by the embassy. I wish I had been the one that turned it in but that is all hind sight. Good luck bro we are still praying for you!

Good luck you are in our prayers!

This sounds good if you are calling to a landline. However, if you want to call to a mobile phone in Russia, that will cost a whopping 8 cents per minute, on top of the monthly fee with one-year contract. I have looked into Skype, MagicJack and various other options, but my fiancee often talk when she is out of the home and on her mobile phone, so the best option I have found is to use a calling card -- Diamond Europe or Red Tiger. For $10 we can talk for a little more than two hours. It is cheaper than this to talk with someone in Moscow or St. Petersburg.

If you look at the deal Vonnage has there is no charge to mobile phones in Russia, at least that is what it says. And even if it does if it is only 8 cents that is better than a calling card

Hello all! I have Vonnage phone, and I wanted to let all of the people with Russian fiancé's that Vonnage now offers free phone calls to Russia on their call all over the worked plan for free. This is a great deal, and I am sure that many of you would like to know this information. Instead of hundred dollar plus phone bills you can talk for over a hundred hours a month for only $25 I just wish they had that feature for Vietnam Good luck to all of you and your visa's!!!!!

How is the trip so far? I know it is going great, but I still have to ask the question. We are praying for your visa. Hope this time you get it!

Jerome and Binh

so is it all right for my spouse to answer that i like to eat pho even though i don't as long as she is consistent in the fact that i like pho? just wondering how the CO exactly judges those kind of questions. thanks

I would never recommend her to lie about any question honesty is the best policy. If she lies and forgets what her answer was the first time she answered the same question it will look bad. If she can answer every question that might not be so good as well. They might ask a question they expect her not to be able to answer but if she does..... I am sure you are getting my point. Tell her to answer everything truthfully and if she does not know a answer to tell them that. If she is not sure about the question make sure she does not answer have her ask them to repeat the question until she is sure what they mean. This is what I had my fiancée do. We might have got blue but I would not have it any other way. Jerome

Here is my timeline that i submit and get second blue slip

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LY C. NGUYEN

(address)

(phone #)

U.S. Consulate General

Immigrant Visa Section

4 Le Duan St., Dist. 1

Ho Chi Minh City, Vietnam

Re: Timeline of relationship with my wife, name: TUYET TRINH THI TRAN

DOB: ** December 19**

Case #: HCM2009******

I, LY C. NGUYEN, DOB: ** December 19**, SNN: xxx-xx-xxxx, a citizen of the United Sates of America, am the husband of TUYET TRINH THI TRAN. The following is a sworn affidavit documenting the timeline of our relationship since 2 August 2008 to present.

Brief description of our relationship:

We were introduced to each other by Mrs. Loan and Mr. Phuc. My wife and Mrs. Loan were close friends from their childhood. Mrs. Loan, Mr. Phuc and I have been very close friends over years. I have been seeing Phuc and his wife (Loan) at their house for many times. I knew Trinh by her video and photos. I asked Loan and Phuc for their opinion about Trinh, both of them strongly recommended me to be friends with Trinh. Mrs. Loan often says that I have the same ways of thinking and hard work as Trinh. For that reason, I asked Mrs. Loan for Trinh’s phone number. Mrs. Loan says that she will get back with me on that. Couple days later Mrs. Loan gave me Trinh’s phone number, and Mrs. Loan told me that she had mentioned about me to Trinh already.

 20 July 2008: Phuc and Loan invited me to their house at 2802 SE 82nd Ave. Apt#6, Portland, Oregon 97266 for a weekend meal with their family. During the dinner, Phuc and Loan played a video film about a wedding party of their relative in Vietnam, in which there was a photo of my wife, Trinh. Talking about the girl whose name is Trinh, Loan also showed me some other photos of Loan in her family album. I asked Loan if Trinh was still single and whether I could make friends with her. Loan told me that she would let me know later after she called to ask Trinh’s opinion and then she would give me her phone number.

 26 July 2008: I invited Phuc and Loan to eat out at a Chinese restaurant, Jin Wah Restaurant at 8001 SE Powell Blvd. Suite# P. Portland, Oregon 97206. During the meal, I asked about their health and their business. Loan told me that she had contacted with Trinh and she agreed to give me her phone number so that we can get in touch and make friends with each other. I filed her phone number.

 02 August 2008: The first time I called 84908864129 to Trinh at 10:44 pm, that was on Sunday morning in Vietnam. She was not surprised as Loan, her close friend had told her about me already. We started the conversation and introduced each other, exchanged information about our job and our family. We were both very happy as we had another new friend. During this first call, due to the international call, it was interrupted and I had to call back 3 times. We spend 42 minutes over the phone.

 03 August 2008: The second time I called Trinh was at 03:57 am, that was the time I was on my way to work from my home. That was the time Trinh was just been back from the Church. We talked for about 23 minutes then I arrived at my company. I told her I would call back at another time as I had to work then. I wished her a good night and stopped the call and started my working day.

 04 August 2008: I had 2 phone called to her. The first one was at 03:53 am. It lasted for about 27 minutes and then I started work. The second one was on the same date at 03:10 pm, and we had 20 minutes talking to each other. Trinh said that she would be very busy next week as she had to work overtime at her company. She promised to continue the chat next week.

 12 + 14 August 2008: I called her back but she said she was still very busy so we could not talk much. She said she would call me when she finished her job.

 15 August 2008: at 04 am, that was 06 pm in Vietnam, Trinh called me and then she hanged up so that I would call her back after that. I called her at 04:02 am. She told me about what she did during the past week. We talked to each other about 14 minutes and then we stopped as her family got prepared for the dinner.

 16 August 2008 up to the end of August: We often contacted each other via phone, almost every day. We often talked about the subject of family. We exchanged information about life, our jobs.

 01 September 2008: It was one month since we knew each other. I kept contact with her by phone. It was only one month but I found that I had fallen in love with her. I got to know that Trinh was born into a big family. Her family was not rich in terms of materials, but it was a truly happy family. Trinh is the oldest sister, so she knows how to take care of her little brothers and sisters. She studied and worked to support her family with her parents. That made me admire her and loved her more. I called her four times during the day with the total minutes up to 63.

 07 September 2008: I called and told her that the following week I was very busy and had on time to contact her, not to wait for my call. When I finished my work, I would call her.

 12 September 2008: I called her just to let her know that I was home after one week I was far away for forklift drill. I told her I would call her the next day.

 13 September 2008: I called Trinh and she asked me about my forklift drill. We had about 20 minutes together.

 14 September 2008 to 20 September 2008: During this time we talked to each other almost every day. I was very happy hearing her voice. When I was busy not calling her I felt something lost. I asked her if she was happy when getting my phone call. Trinh was happy when she had a boyfriend who took care and concerned about her life and her thought.

 21 September 2008: I called her and started the conversation. I asked her if she had used internet. I said that she used internet at work just for company business. She had no internet at home. She said she would check if the network was available at her locality. She then gave me her two nick names for chatting via skype video.

 30 September 2008: I called her. She told me that she had connected with internet already. I asked her if we could be on internet then. She turned on the computer and we talked and saw each other in person the first time. Though it was the first time but her face looked familiar to me for a long time. My first impression about her was that she was a friendly and honest girl. This made me love her more and more.

 03 October 2008: I called her again. We got more and more familiar with each other. I told her that I missed her a lot and I could not sleep when I saw her via video chat the previous time. Her face always wandered in my mind to find something to connect with.

 04 October 2008: I called her again. We talked to each other for a long time. I asked her about her ideal husband. She told me that she liked the kind of man who belongs to family, humorous, caring and especially child loving. A man that can she can confide in to build up a happy family. After almost half an hour hearing her telling me about her ideal husband, she asked me the same question about my ideal wife. I told her that what I need in a wife is not her riches or honors but a woman with a heart filled with love for her husband and their kids. I totally agreed with her as we all loved children. We are both northerners of Vietnam left for Christ to the South in 1954. We had many things in common especially family affairs. I found that Trinh is very skilled at cooking, especially foods of northerners. Our love were getting developed more and more. We spend 82 minutes over the phone.

 05 October 2008 to 10 October 2008: We had phone calls almost every day. I asked her if she missed me. She stopped for a while and told me that she had the same feeling with me waiting for my call. Time flies and our love got developed more and more.

 11 October 2008 to 18 October 2008: We kept contact very often. At this time we were not hesitant any more. We shared everything of life. We had no distance any more. When there was happiness or sadness, we often shared to each other. I found that I cannot lack the other better half, that is Trinh. After work, I was always thinking of Trinh and missing her. I called her to confide my feelings and listened to her nice voice.

 19 October 2008: I called back to Trinh. She told me that the next day she would be in Vung Tau for a job interview. We talked for about 19 minutes then I arrived at work. I told her I would call again the next day to talk more.

 20 October 2008: I made two phone calls. The first call was at 4 am. She told me she wanted to have another well paid job so she decided to go to Vung Tau for the interview. In fact at that time I loved Trinh very much and I did not want her to go very far working hard to earn a living. I told her that if she had difficulty I could be of help to her but she refused. This call we had 23 minutes together. The second call was at 5:7 pm. We had only 3 minutes then her phone battery faded. She gave me her friend’s phone number in Vung Tau and told me that I can call that number in case I cannot reach the cell phone.

 21 October 2008: I called Trinh but I could not get connected. I waited until evening to make sure that she was there and I called her friend’s house. I started saying I love you and proposed to her over the phone. Because I was worried about her life. I felt sorry for her when she had to work her way through for a living. I wanted to take care of her every day. I wanted the rest of my life having Trinh beside me. I wanted Trinh to be my wife and the mother of my children. I love her and cannot live without her. She was surprised at my proposal, she paused for a few minutes and said that she loved me also and wanted to be besides me for the rest of her life as she understood my case that I have lived alone, without any brothers or sisters, or relatives besides and I take care of everything on my own. Trinh wanted to be beside me and shared part of my life. Before she hanged up the phone, she told that she agreed with my proposal and reminded me to take care of myself as I was already her better half.

 22 October 2008 to 26 October 2008: after proposal we kept contact and talked over the phone. She asked me to manage time to call her parents to ask for their news and get a permit for our relationship.

 09 November 2008: I called Trinh’s parents. She had told them about our relation. I asked them for our love and marriage. They told me that Trinh was old enough to make decisions about her own life. They did not force or forbid her about that. They always wish their daughter has a happy life. They said that if we really have a true love, they would support us to become husband and wife. That’s what we really wish for.

 10 November 2008: I called her and we had a long talk. I told her that I wanted a wedding at the end of this year. The next year would be not good for my age. At that time we really wanted to be side by side together.

 14 November 2008: after talking with Trinh, I called to talk to my father about our relation. After that my father called Trinh’s parents to discuss our love and asked them to take care of the wedding preparation as my father was far away. He said he would manage to be back Vietnam to be the host of the wedding ceremony.

 15 November 2008: I bought an airfare for Vietnam at Asia Tour & Travel at 8211 N.E. Brazee, Suite F, Portland, OR 97220.

 16 November 2008: at 11:39 pm before boarding at Portland airport, I called her. When I arrived at Seattle airport, WA I called her again to make her confident. She told me that she was very happy and nervous waiting to see me at Tan Son Nhat Airport.

 18 November 2008: I arrived in Vietnam at 11:40 am. After finishing all check out procedures, I found her waiting me for a long time. It was only Trinh and me at the airport. After that Trinh took me to her house to see her parents. I stayed there until I came back to USA on 31 December 2008.

 21 November 2008: after taking a few days for rest. I asked for a permit to take Trinh to Phuoc Hai to see my grandparents and relatives. I held my mother’s death anniversary in Chu Hai. We stayed there for two days. On the afternoon of 22nd day, we returned Trinh’s parents’ home.

 24 November 2008: after asking for a permit form Trinh’s parents, we went to Dong Nai Province Department of Justice for marriage procedures. Due to the complicated procedures, I had to stay in Bien Hoa at Diamond hotel until 26 November 2008 to solve the problem.

 28 November 2008: We went to Department of Justice for the interview and then we got an appointment for getting the certificate.

 29 November 2008: Trinh’s mother took Trinh and me to Duc Long Church to see the priest for a Christian marriage procedure. After meeting all requirements for a marriage in a church as certificate of baptism, certificate of enforcement, certificate of introduction from US where I live certifying that I had not registered to get married to any one before and got the appointment. Trinh had to attend some lessons to fulfill the requirements. Our names were then announced in three consecutive Sunday church ceremony. The priest found no trouble and decided to hold the ceremony for us as per Church regulations.

 02 December 2008: We went for photo taking at Oanh Oanh Studio in Thong Nhat District, Dong Nai Province.

 03 December 2008: Trinh and I continued for a outdoor photo taking in Thac Giang Dien resort, Trang Bom District, Dong Nai Province.

 05 December 2008: Trinh and I went to Bien Hoa for placing order of wedding invitation printing. We stayed in Bien Hoa that night and she took me out for sea foods and introduced me to some of her friends.

 07 December 2008: Trinh and I went to Vung Tau for a birthday party of my old friend. We stayed in Vung Tau for 2 days.

 09 December 2008: We return to Trinh’s house. Her parents took us to visit some of their relatives and grandparents.

 10 December 2008: Trinh held my birthday party at her house.

 11 December 2008: We went to rent wedding clothes at Hoa Hong Shop for our wedding ceremony.

 12 December 2008: We went to Bien Hoa to get wedding invitation. We then bought wedding rings at PNJ shop in Bien Hoa City.

 13 December 2008: Trinh and I went out to deliver wedding invitation letters.

 14 December 2008: Trinh and I went to Phuoc Hai, Phuoc Tinh and Chu Hai to invite friends and relatives. We stayed at my grandparents’ in Phuoc Hai.

 16 December 2008: We rent a car to go to the airport to pick up my father to bring him to Phuoc Hai. We stayed at my grandparents’ house at that night.

 17 December 2008: Trinh, my father and my grandparents, my uncles and I went to Loc An cemetery. My father wanted to introduce the daughter-in-law to the ancestors of Nguyen family. We went back Trinh’s parents’ home in the afternoon of the same day.

 19 December 2008: My father went to Trinh’s family to meet and discuss and finalize the wedding preparation. My father left for my grandparents’ in Phuoc Hai in the afternoon.

 20 December 2008: At 6 am, Trinh and I were at Duc Long Church for a wedding preparation.

 21 December 2008: The date we held the wedding ceremony at Duc Long Church hosted by Priest Joseph Nguyen Xuan Triet at 9 am. The wedding party was held in the campus of Duc Long Church. Our relatives, friends, colleagues, neighbors from both families were present at the party. My father from US was also present to be host of the wedding. In our wedding there were 4 khem fruits according to our homeland custom. Total guest was 450 people sitting in 45 tables.

 22 December 2008: My close friend died of traffic accident. We had to visit and present condolences at Chu Hai Church. We went to Phuoc Hai to have meals with my grandparents. We stayed there for 2 days.

 24 December 2008: My father had to come back USA. We helped to arrange the luggage and rented a car to take my father to the airport. We went to An Dong market after that and bought some things for my return to USA. We came back Trinh’s home for a rest on the same day.

 27 December 2008 to 28 December 2008: As we did not have much free time, we spent our honeymoon in Binh Chau Hot Mineral Water resort. We then came back Trinh’s parents to stay there until we came back to USA.

 31 December 2008: My wife along with her brothers and sisters, her grandparents saw me off to USA. (Total days of my first return to Vietnam was 44 days).

 01 January 2009: I arrived at my home in USA. I called my wife and her parents to let them know that I was home safely.

 Upon coming back to USA, we often kept contact via telephone and letters. Due to my long time in Vietnam, I was very busy when I came back, I called her more than I wrote to her. We often kept contact via telephone every day. My wife often woke me up for work every morning.

Since 03 January 2009 to end of June 2009: We often kept contact via phones and post letters. Total letters she got during this time was 29 letters. My wife sent to me 23 letters.

 29 January 2009: I sent my first letter to my wife and I sent my guarantee letter to US immigrant department.

 25 March 2009: I missed my wife so much so I decided to take my annual leave to return Vietnam to see my wife. I bought a ticket at Asia Tour & Travel at 8211 N.E. Brazee, Suite F, Portland, OR 97220 to be back to Vietnam on 01 July 2009 and came back to USA on 15 July 2009.

 02 June 2009: I got a invitation letter for interview sent by email from visa center. I got to company to ask for more leave. I got a permit to stop work until 28 July 2009.

 03 July 2009: I arrived in Vietnam at 10:00 am. My wife and her family saw me at the airport. We went back her home after that.

 05 July 2009: I held my mother’s death anniversary at my uncle’s house in Chu Hai.

 07 July 2009: at 1 pm, we went to Health Service of Ho Chi Minh City – International Health Quarantine Center at 40 Nguyen Van Troi, Phu Nhuan District, Ho Chi Minh City to complete the vaccination as requested by US Consulate. We went to Cho Ray hospital for a health check appointment after that.

 15 July 2009: 6:30 am I took my wife to Cho Ray hospital at 201B Nguyen Chi Thanh, Dist. 5, Ho Chi Minh City. At 9 am, my wife completed all procedures and got an appointment from the doctor. We got the result on the next day so we stayed in a hotel at that night.

 16 July 2009: We got the result at 03 pm and came back home.

 18 July 2009: We went to Vung Tau with my wife’s family. We climbed to Tao Phung mountain where there is a Christ statue. We went for a sea bath and had lunch at Bien Dong at the back yard of Vung Tau city.

 23 July 2009: Due to the long journey, we went to Ho Chi Minh one day in advance for the interview on time. We stayed in a small hotel in Tan Binh District.

 24 July 2009: At 7 am we were present at 4 Le Duan, Dist. 1, Ho Chi Minh City, USA Consulate to stand in line to get in. I waited for her and the interview result outside. After 4 hours my wife came back with a sad face. I asked her why and we had to supplement more documents. I consoled her and came back home to complete the requests given in the paper.

 25 July 2009: I scanned the appointment of the US and sent to my company to ask for more leave. I got the reply from my company that I can stay until 26 August 2009.

 26 July 2009 to 05 August 2009: We spent all time to sit down and remember and wrote down the timeline of our relationship. And we tried to contact my ex-wife to get the information as requested by the US Consulate.

My wife is all of my life and the one I love most. Moreover I want to live beside my wife until the rest of our life. My wife is always beside me and encourages me in everything, sharing all happiness and sorrow in our life. One more thing is the happy family in which all members love and take care of each other. That is all I find in my wife. We hope to be reunited and start a new life in USA.

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___________________________ ___________________________

Name Signature

Sworn to and signed before me this ______ day of _____________, 2009

here is the link of our second blue slip

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Is it 14 pages?

Here is my timeline that i submit and get second blue slip

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LY C. NGUYEN

(address)

(phone #)

U.S. Consulate General

Immigrant Visa Section

4 Le Duan St., Dist. 1

Ho Chi Minh City, Vietnam

Re: Timeline of relationship with my wife, name: TUYET TRINH THI TRAN

DOB: ** December 19**

Case #: HCM2009******

I, LY C. NGUYEN, DOB: ** December 19**, SNN: xxx-xx-xxxx, a citizen of the United Sates of America, am the husband of TUYET TRINH THI TRAN. The following is a sworn affidavit documenting the timeline of our relationship since 2 August 2008 to present.

Brief description of our relationship:

We were introduced to each other by Mrs. Loan and Mr. Phuc. My wife and Mrs. Loan were close friends from their childhood. Mrs. Loan, Mr. Phuc and I have been very close friends over years. I have been seeing Phuc and his wife (Loan) at their house for many times. I knew Trinh by her video and photos. I asked Loan and Phuc for their opinion about Trinh, both of them strongly recommended me to be friends with Trinh. Mrs. Loan often says that I have the same ways of thinking and hard work as Trinh. For that reason, I asked Mrs. Loan for Trinh’s phone number. Mrs. Loan says that she will get back with me on that. Couple days later Mrs. Loan gave me Trinh’s phone number, and Mrs. Loan told me that she had mentioned about me to Trinh already.

 20 July 2008: Phuc and Loan invited me to their house at 2802 SE 82nd Ave. Apt#6, Portland, Oregon 97266 for a weekend meal with their family. During the dinner, Phuc and Loan played a video film about a wedding party of their relative in Vietnam, in which there was a photo of my wife, Trinh. Talking about the girl whose name is Trinh, Loan also showed me some other photos of Loan in her family album. I asked Loan if Trinh was still single and whether I could make friends with her. Loan told me that she would let me know later after she called to ask Trinh’s opinion and then she would give me her phone number.

 26 July 2008: I invited Phuc and Loan to eat out at a Chinese restaurant, Jin Wah Restaurant at 8001 SE Powell Blvd. Suite# P. Portland, Oregon 97206. During the meal, I asked about their health and their business. Loan told me that she had contacted with Trinh and she agreed to give me her phone number so that we can get in touch and make friends with each other. I filed her phone number.

 02 August 2008: The first time I called 84908864129 to Trinh at 10:44 pm, that was on Sunday morning in Vietnam. She was not surprised as Loan, her close friend had told her about me already. We started the conversation and introduced each other, exchanged information about our job and our family. We were both very happy as we had another new friend. During this first call, due to the international call, it was interrupted and I had to call back 3 times. We spend 42 minutes over the phone.

 03 August 2008: The second time I called Trinh was at 03:57 am, that was the time I was on my way to work from my home. That was the time Trinh was just been back from the Church. We talked for about 23 minutes then I arrived at my company. I told her I would call back at another time as I had to work then. I wished her a good night and stopped the call and started my working day.

 04 August 2008: I had 2 phone called to her. The first one was at 03:53 am. It lasted for about 27 minutes and then I started work. The second one was on the same date at 03:10 pm, and we had 20 minutes talking to each other. Trinh said that she would be very busy next week as she had to work overtime at her company. She promised to continue the chat next week.

 12 + 14 August 2008: I called her back but she said she was still very busy so we could not talk much. She said she would call me when she finished her job.

 15 August 2008: at 04 am, that was 06 pm in Vietnam, Trinh called me and then she hanged up so that I would call her back after that. I called her at 04:02 am. She told me about what she did during the past week. We talked to each other about 14 minutes and then we stopped as her family got prepared for the dinner.

 16 August 2008 up to the end of August: We often contacted each other via phone, almost every day. We often talked about the subject of family. We exchanged information about life, our jobs.

 01 September 2008: It was one month since we knew each other. I kept contact with her by phone. It was only one month but I found that I had fallen in love with her. I got to know that Trinh was born into a big family. Her family was not rich in terms of materials, but it was a truly happy family. Trinh is the oldest sister, so she knows how to take care of her little brothers and sisters. She studied and worked to support her family with her parents. That made me admire her and loved her more. I called her four times during the day with the total minutes up to 63.

 07 September 2008: I called and told her that the following week I was very busy and had on time to contact her, not to wait for my call. When I finished my work, I would call her.

 12 September 2008: I called her just to let her know that I was home after one week I was far away for forklift drill. I told her I would call her the next day.

 13 September 2008: I called Trinh and she asked me about my forklift drill. We had about 20 minutes together.

 14 September 2008 to 20 September 2008: During this time we talked to each other almost every day. I was very happy hearing her voice. When I was busy not calling her I felt something lost. I asked her if she was happy when getting my phone call. Trinh was happy when she had a boyfriend who took care and concerned about her life and her thought.

 21 September 2008: I called her and started the conversation. I asked her if she had used internet. I said that she used internet at work just for company business. She had no internet at home. She said she would check if the network was available at her locality. She then gave me her two nick names for chatting via skype video.

 30 September 2008: I called her. She told me that she had connected with internet already. I asked her if we could be on internet then. She turned on the computer and we talked and saw each other in person the first time. Though it was the first time but her face looked familiar to me for a long time. My first impression about her was that she was a friendly and honest girl. This made me love her more and more.

 03 October 2008: I called her again. We got more and more familiar with each other. I told her that I missed her a lot and I could not sleep when I saw her via video chat the previous time. Her face always wandered in my mind to find something to connect with.

 04 October 2008: I called her again. We talked to each other for a long time. I asked her about her ideal husband. She told me that she liked the kind of man who belongs to family, humorous, caring and especially child loving. A man that can she can confide in to build up a happy family. After almost half an hour hearing her telling me about her ideal husband, she asked me the same question about my ideal wife. I told her that what I need in a wife is not her riches or honors but a woman with a heart filled with love for her husband and their kids. I totally agreed with her as we all loved children. We are both northerners of Vietnam left for Christ to the South in 1954. We had many things in common especially family affairs. I found that Trinh is very skilled at cooking, especially foods of northerners. Our love were getting developed more and more. We spend 82 minutes over the phone.

 05 October 2008 to 10 October 2008: We had phone calls almost every day. I asked her if she missed me. She stopped for a while and told me that she had the same feeling with me waiting for my call. Time flies and our love got developed more and more.

 11 October 2008 to 18 October 2008: We kept contact very often. At this time we were not hesitant any more. We shared everything of life. We had no distance any more. When there was happiness or sadness, we often shared to each other. I found that I cannot lack the other better half, that is Trinh. After work, I was always thinking of Trinh and missing her. I called her to confide my feelings and listened to her nice voice.

 19 October 2008: I called back to Trinh. She told me that the next day she would be in Vung Tau for a job interview. We talked for about 19 minutes then I arrived at work. I told her I would call again the next day to talk more.

 20 October 2008: I made two phone calls. The first call was at 4 am. She told me she wanted to have another well paid job so she decided to go to Vung Tau for the interview. In fact at that time I loved Trinh very much and I did not want her to go very far working hard to earn a living. I told her that if she had difficulty I could be of help to her but she refused. This call we had 23 minutes together. The second call was at 5:7 pm. We had only 3 minutes then her phone battery faded. She gave me her friend’s phone number in Vung Tau and told me that I can call that number in case I cannot reach the cell phone.

 21 October 2008: I called Trinh but I could not get connected. I waited until evening to make sure that she was there and I called her friend’s house. I started saying I love you and proposed to her over the phone. Because I was worried about her life. I felt sorry for her when she had to work her way through for a living. I wanted to take care of her every day. I wanted the rest of my life having Trinh beside me. I wanted Trinh to be my wife and the mother of my children. I love her and cannot live without her. She was surprised at my proposal, she paused for a few minutes and said that she loved me also and wanted to be besides me for the rest of her life as she understood my case that I have lived alone, without any brothers or sisters, or relatives besides and I take care of everything on my own. Trinh wanted to be beside me and shared part of my life. Before she hanged up the phone, she told that she agreed with my proposal and reminded me to take care of myself as I was already her better half.

 22 October 2008 to 26 October 2008: after proposal we kept contact and talked over the phone. She asked me to manage time to call her parents to ask for their news and get a permit for our relationship.

 09 November 2008: I called Trinh’s parents. She had told them about our relation. I asked them for our love and marriage. They told me that Trinh was old enough to make decisions about her own life. They did not force or forbid her about that. They always wish their daughter has a happy life. They said that if we really have a true love, they would support us to become husband and wife. That’s what we really wish for.

 10 November 2008: I called her and we had a long talk. I told her that I wanted a wedding at the end of this year. The next year would be not good for my age. At that time we really wanted to be side by side together.

 14 November 2008: after talking with Trinh, I called to talk to my father about our relation. After that my father called Trinh’s parents to discuss our love and asked them to take care of the wedding preparation as my father was far away. He said he would manage to be back Vietnam to be the host of the wedding ceremony.

 15 November 2008: I bought an airfare for Vietnam at Asia Tour & Travel at 8211 N.E. Brazee, Suite F, Portland, OR 97220.

 16 November 2008: at 11:39 pm before boarding at Portland airport, I called her. When I arrived at Seattle airport, WA I called her again to make her confident. She told me that she was very happy and nervous waiting to see me at Tan Son Nhat Airport.

 18 November 2008: I arrived in Vietnam at 11:40 am. After finishing all check out procedures, I found her waiting me for a long time. It was only Trinh and me at the airport. After that Trinh took me to her house to see her parents. I stayed there until I came back to USA on 31 December 2008.

 21 November 2008: after taking a few days for rest. I asked for a permit to take Trinh to Phuoc Hai to see my grandparents and relatives. I held my mother’s death anniversary in Chu Hai. We stayed there for two days. On the afternoon of 22nd day, we returned Trinh’s parents’ home.

 24 November 2008: after asking for a permit form Trinh’s parents, we went to Dong Nai Province Department of Justice for marriage procedures. Due to the complicated procedures, I had to stay in Bien Hoa at Diamond hotel until 26 November 2008 to solve the problem.

 28 November 2008: We went to Department of Justice for the interview and then we got an appointment for getting the certificate.

 29 November 2008: Trinh’s mother took Trinh and me to Duc Long Church to see the priest for a Christian marriage procedure. After meeting all requirements for a marriage in a church as certificate of baptism, certificate of enforcement, certificate of introduction from US where I live certifying that I had not registered to get married to any one before and got the appointment. Trinh had to attend some lessons to fulfill the requirements. Our names were then announced in three consecutive Sunday church ceremony. The priest found no trouble and decided to hold the ceremony for us as per Church regulations.

 02 December 2008: We went for photo taking at Oanh Oanh Studio in Thong Nhat District, Dong Nai Province.

 03 December 2008: Trinh and I continued for a outdoor photo taking in Thac Giang Dien resort, Trang Bom District, Dong Nai Province.

 05 December 2008: Trinh and I went to Bien Hoa for placing order of wedding invitation printing. We stayed in Bien Hoa that night and she took me out for sea foods and introduced me to some of her friends.

 07 December 2008: Trinh and I went to Vung Tau for a birthday party of my old friend. We stayed in Vung Tau for 2 days.

 09 December 2008: We return to Trinh’s house. Her parents took us to visit some of their relatives and grandparents.

 10 December 2008: Trinh held my birthday party at her house.

 11 December 2008: We went to rent wedding clothes at Hoa Hong Shop for our wedding ceremony.

 12 December 2008: We went to Bien Hoa to get wedding invitation. We then bought wedding rings at PNJ shop in Bien Hoa City.

 13 December 2008: Trinh and I went out to deliver wedding invitation letters.

 14 December 2008: Trinh and I went to Phuoc Hai, Phuoc Tinh and Chu Hai to invite friends and relatives. We stayed at my grandparents’ in Phuoc Hai.

 16 December 2008: We rent a car to go to the airport to pick up my father to bring him to Phuoc Hai. We stayed at my grandparents’ house at that night.

 17 December 2008: Trinh, my father and my grandparents, my uncles and I went to Loc An cemetery. My father wanted to introduce the daughter-in-law to the ancestors of Nguyen family. We went back Trinh’s parents’ home in the afternoon of the same day.

 19 December 2008: My father went to Trinh’s family to meet and discuss and finalize the wedding preparation. My father left for my grandparents’ in Phuoc Hai in the afternoon.

 20 December 2008: At 6 am, Trinh and I were at Duc Long Church for a wedding preparation.

 21 December 2008: The date we held the wedding ceremony at Duc Long Church hosted by Priest Joseph Nguyen Xuan Triet at 9 am. The wedding party was held in the campus of Duc Long Church. Our relatives, friends, colleagues, neighbors from both families were present at the party. My father from US was also present to be host of the wedding. In our wedding there were 4 khem fruits according to our homeland custom. Total guest was 450 people sitting in 45 tables.

 22 December 2008: My close friend died of traffic accident. We had to visit and present condolences at Chu Hai Church. We went to Phuoc Hai to have meals with my grandparents. We stayed there for 2 days.

 24 December 2008: My father had to come back USA. We helped to arrange the luggage and rented a car to take my father to the airport. We went to An Dong market after that and bought some things for my return to USA. We came back Trinh’s home for a rest on the same day.

 27 December 2008 to 28 December 2008: As we did not have much free time, we spent our honeymoon in Binh Chau Hot Mineral Water resort. We then came back Trinh’s parents to stay there until we came back to USA.

 31 December 2008: My wife along with her brothers and sisters, her grandparents saw me off to USA. (Total days of my first return to Vietnam was 44 days).

 01 January 2009: I arrived at my home in USA. I called my wife and her parents to let them know that I was home safely.

 Upon coming back to USA, we often kept contact via telephone and letters. Due to my long time in Vietnam, I was very busy when I came back, I called her more than I wrote to her. We often kept contact via telephone every day. My wife often woke me up for work every morning.

Since 03 January 2009 to end of June 2009: We often kept contact via phones and post letters. Total letters she got during this time was 29 letters. My wife sent to me 23 letters.

 29 January 2009: I sent my first letter to my wife and I sent my guarantee letter to US immigrant department.

 25 March 2009: I missed my wife so much so I decided to take my annual leave to return Vietnam to see my wife. I bought a ticket at Asia Tour & Travel at 8211 N.E. Brazee, Suite F, Portland, OR 97220 to be back to Vietnam on 01 July 2009 and came back to USA on 15 July 2009.

 02 June 2009: I got a invitation letter for interview sent by email from visa center. I got to company to ask for more leave. I got a permit to stop work until 28 July 2009.

 03 July 2009: I arrived in Vietnam at 10:00 am. My wife and her family saw me at the airport. We went back her home after that.

 05 July 2009: I held my mother’s death anniversary at my uncle’s house in Chu Hai.

 07 July 2009: at 1 pm, we went to Health Service of Ho Chi Minh City – International Health Quarantine Center at 40 Nguyen Van Troi, Phu Nhuan District, Ho Chi Minh City to complete the vaccination as requested by US Consulate. We went to Cho Ray hospital for a health check appointment after that.

 15 July 2009: 6:30 am I took my wife to Cho Ray hospital at 201B Nguyen Chi Thanh, Dist. 5, Ho Chi Minh City. At 9 am, my wife completed all procedures and got an appointment from the doctor. We got the result on the next day so we stayed in a hotel at that night.

 16 July 2009: We got the result at 03 pm and came back home.

 18 July 2009: We went to Vung Tau with my wife’s family. We climbed to Tao Phung mountain where there is a Christ statue. We went for a sea bath and had lunch at Bien Dong at the back yard of Vung Tau city.

 23 July 2009: Due to the long journey, we went to Ho Chi Minh one day in advance for the interview on time. We stayed in a small hotel in Tan Binh District.

 24 July 2009: At 7 am we were present at 4 Le Duan, Dist. 1, Ho Chi Minh City, USA Consulate to stand in line to get in. I waited for her and the interview result outside. After 4 hours my wife came back with a sad face. I asked her why and we had to supplement more documents. I consoled her and came back home to complete the requests given in the paper.

 25 July 2009: I scanned the appointment of the US and sent to my company to ask for more leave. I got the reply from my company that I can stay until 26 August 2009.

 26 July 2009 to 05 August 2009: We spent all time to sit down and remember and wrote down the timeline of our relationship. And we tried to contact my ex-wife to get the information as requested by the US Consulate.

My wife is all of my life and the one I love most. Moreover I want to live beside my wife until the rest of our life. My wife is always beside me and encourages me in everything, sharing all happiness and sorrow in our life. One more thing is the happy family in which all members love and take care of each other. That is all I find in my wife. We hope to be reunited and start a new life in USA.

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___________________________ ___________________________

Name Signature

Sworn to and signed before me this ______ day of _____________, 2009

here is the link of our second blue slip

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Is it 14 pages?

That is great news! Good luck and god bless!

I have been told before that this is a public forum, and anyone can read it. I know there is anger and resentment toward what we call stupidity. I am sure there are many that do get a denial when their relationship is true, and there are the ones that get pink that are fraudulent. I have heard countless stories of the woman/man getting their us citizenship them leaving the next day. I feel that if the man was to blind to see it coming, let her go man. If for one instant I suspect that is what is going on, she better explain it to me because if it is true, back she goes. I know my fiancée is true. That is now what I was meaning by my statement. Most people want to have everything drawn out like a map. With this post I have started to realize that life just sucks, and life is far from fare. I do think that the sponsors need to submit more information, and I wish that we could have more of a part in/during the interview. I feel that if they could talk to both of us either by phone or in person with separate Co's this would help cut down on the fraud cases. Then you have to worry about if your stories do not match up. I know that is what someone is going to say. It can and will happen. I know people that are married 30 plus years if you separate them they will say different things to the same question. But with a "Dual" interview at least they would have more to go by, and we could see how our Fiancé's feel. I know that true love will always win in the end. As I have said countless times. In America or Vietnam, I truly don't care, I just know we WILL be together because our love IS TRUE.

I am glad that I am past my drinking days. One Christmas party in Missouri and I drink NO MORE!! I swear I had only 4 drinks, but my friend said I had over 40 and it was Captain and Coke all night long. I almost committed a party foul on the way home, but instead I got back to the hotel without a shirt! I have to admit every time Mike sees me he has to mention how much I puked and he can never leave out that I lost my shirt so that I would not stain his new car. I could slam them with the best of them, but I guess I just our grew that stage.

10 hours until I go to Sea-tac Airport to go visit my other half. hheheheh so excited.

Let us know how your flight was

Hi I would like to share my exprience after visiting the CO today at 4pm. The CO was a friendly guy. I asked him why my case needs extra processing, he replied and told me that because there are too many cases left undone, so they needed more time to get to my case. I asked him if they had looked at my case yet, he said no. Then i asked him how long will it take to get to my case? he said he don't have a time-line. earliest are "weeks" longest are "months". I asked him what can i do to make things quicker because i have been here over 2 months and i wanted to fly back home with my wife. He told me he understands, but because of the overflow of cases the CO have to review the ones before mine. And add this...you can resubmit documents when you are there on tuesdays and wednesday at 4-5pm, if you are a usc. with a passport. Its way faster than waiting for your resubmission date at 1-2, trust me its a long wait. But today i only waited 20mins b4 a CO speaks to me. Just 1 last step, 1 last hurdle, one last load to dump. hope this is helpful to those who are in my situation. Keep your heads up and never give up when it comes to true love. [/font]

We got the same reply from a CO via email Binh.

Huong,

Since they are calling the relatives of others in the same situation, it may be helpful to have several notarized statements of friends and relatives that are familiar with the situation as added evidence... based on recent posts, waiting till the 4th only puts you back in the queue.. best for you to go see the CO on Tues or Wed before the 4th with the evidence and you wont be so far back in the queue if the require AP and it could look better if you are there ready to provide whatever they require...

I agree with that. We submitted early, maybe to early. I think the Co had many other things on his mind when we submitted it and with the date for resubmission so far away it got put on the back burner. I would submit the evidence early, but not 3 weeks early as we did. I think a few days would be better, this way the co might be looking over you case already getting prepared.

They have already called at least one of her relatives so hopefully we will get the pink soon. I do like Johns font in 200, LoL I think we are lucky on most of those things. We chatted 7 months before we ever met, and I had been divorced for 2 years prior to even talking with her

My cousin married a woman from Peru and told me about this site. If I remember he said they had to file some paperwork to get her a SS card, and that also helps with her to get her citizenship. If I remember correctly he said that was one fo the first things they did after they got married, and the second was to add her to his bank account. I am sure that this would be the place to look up adjustments of status.

How is it going with her over here? Have you taken her to a Walmart or a large shopping mall yet? Glad to hear she is here with you. Good luck!

I'm relatively easy to please...

Gio Cuon!

It is speeled GOI CUON.

tastes good no matter how you speel it.

Thats on the menu for dinner tonight.. will post pics if am able to keep from eating them before I take pictures...

Good luck on not eating them. They are good. I think maybe I should have made a post of worst foods eaten in Vietnam. Everything I ate was great, and I do not remember half of what it was I ate, then when someone posts a photo it brings back mouth watering memories!

Josephs, why the obsession with SMS? It seems silly to get dinged every time you send a few words back and forth. Why not use email or instant messenger?

well I like to talk to her when i am on my break at lunch at work. or before I sleep. with the time difference sometimes i am not home or she is not home when i want to talk to her. Her speaking English is ok, not good. but her reading and writing English is very very good. half the time I have to send her a SMS while we are on the phone because she doesn't understand something i am trying to say. When we are together we have little problems talking. if she doesn't understand what i am saying and we are together, I just get out my phone and type it and show it to her. or if its only 1 word that she doesn't understand. I write it on my hand with my finger. So that is why we use SMS so much. and if i or she try to spell the word on the phone, that sometimes is worse. d sounds like b or she forgets how to say a letter or some of her letters sound the same. we are working on the whole B as in BALL D as in Dog system. maybe after we get that sorted out there will be less need for SMS.

communication will be the hardest thing in our relationship. but we are ready to deal with it. I think and her family agrees, that after she has lived here for about a year she will be able to talk English and understand very well.

So that is why we use SMS so much.

If your she lives in HCMC I can recomend a great english tutor. My fiancee Binh is a school teacher and she tutors people all the time. Her english is great. I think her english is better than mine at times! Jerome

hey, welcome back. It's great to hear about your wife's interview.

As of the phone card, I use to use lots of them but they dont keep the record of who you're calling. Well, you said that you dont need it anymore so I guess I can suggest you to use "Mambo" That's the phone card that i use. Lots of minutes for such a good quality card. You don't loose minutes if you stop talking like some of the other cards.

I don't know much about text messaging because we don't use them at all.

Great to hear you're back safely. How is the situation over there with the H1N1 stuff? I'm coming back there in three days.

no worry N1H1, If you feel worried, then wear a mask when you fly, I saw people wearing them on the plane, but most were children and elderly people. also when on the plane, wash your hands often with soap, bring small bottle of hand sanitizer. (less than 3oz remember for carry on!!!!)

I got really lucky on my flight home. from Hong Kong to Chicago my ticket didnt have a seat number on it. they over sold economy and economy Plus.... (united Airlines) so I got to Fly 14 hours in business class at the cost of Economy!!!!!! it was like sitting in my living room. and Im 6' 1" so the leg room was great!

but I have to say, my 1st time I flew Korea Air, and this time was United. I would fly a non USA airliner if you can. the flight attendants on Korea Air were so nice and polite. but United were rushed and not polite. (but the ones in business class were very polite on united)

just my 2 cents

Good Luck on your Trip!!!!! and watch out for dunk honda's!!!!!!!!!!!!

I almost forgot, when I first got Vonnage you can add a line and it would have a us number, if you sent her the router and she had high speed internet it woudl not cost you a penny to call her, just the monthly actavation fee and I think that is only like 14$ You might look into it. The first Vonnage line would be $25 a month and then the second, beats the heck out of a $400 phone bill

ok, so i am back in USA va nho phi rat nhieu (and miss Phi very much) now that the interview part is over and now we are just waiting for her TB test results, and maybe waiting treatment for TB. I was wondering about calling cards. We dont need evidence anymore. my cellphone bill this month was soooooo high. it almost made me sick(400+USD). we talked alot and we sent MANY MANY SMS to eachother.

Anyone know of a good calling card, and maybe a program other than Skype for SMS? I sometimes use yahoo to send her SMS. that is free for me and costs her less. but she needs to be signed on yahoo on her yahoo account for her phone for her to get my SMS.

My Phone contract is up, so I can also look for a new company if it has better SMS rates. I am with Verizon Wireless.

SMS send =$.25 USD

SMS Rcv'd =$.20 USD

International Long Distance - Mobil = $0.56 / min

TXT Messaging-Int'l Sent messages -- 301 301 75.25

TXT Messaging-Int'l Rcv'd messages -- 235 235 47.00

International Long Distance - Mobil 165.76

I have Vonnage and I want to say it is only like .32 per minute, maybe .36 Still high, but for the price of your phone bill you can buy a cheap net book and send it to her and pay for internet. Just use Skype or Yahoo or msn. They all have video and voice connect and other than the internet bill you have no bill. We use our phone when the internet does not work or if I travel I use the Cell. Keep your head up I am sure that everything will work out for you! Jerome

I'm relatively easy to please...

Gio Cuon!

It is speeled GOI CUON.

John,

It is starting to sound good for you. Binh told me today that her Uncle from here called and said they have called some of her aunts to make sure our evidence is real, so maybe we will both be having good news soon!

Good luck John!

See if you can talk to the Co, but if you are able to see him DO NOT question his decision, simply tell him that you know they say to wait, but you wanted to make sure that if there WAS something you could DO or SAY to help get the visa you were there to do it. If you start to question his reason it could make him mad, but if you are there just checking to see IF you can do ANYTHING that you are more than willing to do it. Also be prepared to answer questions about your wife and her family. It is touchy if you do not know many things about her because they could ask you the same type of questions they asked her. If you answer them incorrectly it could hurt you. But either way even if you do not get to see the Co they know you are concerned about the case, and if you do see him and he might be able to look into your eyes and realize that your love is real and that you are truly worried about a denial. These are just suggestions, you have to make the ultimate choice. I am going to call my senator this week and see if he can find anything out, and I plan on emailing them 1 week after I get a response from the first email, each time just saying different things about our relationship. I want them to keep my case on their mind, and I want them to know that I will complain if I feel I was treated unjustly. One complaint is nothing, but if hundreds complain then maybe the Co's boss will start to see a pattern and review the Co. We might not gain anything from our complaints, but maybe future people will. Jerome

It's obvious you got the call duration from your phone bill so if I were you I'd knock out the "about" so many minutes. Just say for 13 minutes or whatever length the call was.

they kept my phone bill and they will see it in the phone bill.

Hey brother Trinh ly

anyway you must go see Co ,you have to ,i will go there 2 week we was true love why you care to see CO you have proud to see them ,if you are scare to see CO that mean you are not real to love your why,by the way you must discus with your wife what thay ask for and made same your wife respond please DO NOT SAY OR DISCUS YOUR CASE ANY MORE not work make you scare

now you must listen to me ,the more you say or you talk more headed

no body perpert do do your self ,wating for me i will come SAIgon first this month

YOU MUST HELP YOUR SELF DO NOT SCARE TO SEE CO "WHY" YOU ARE REALLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLL YOU ARE TRUE LOVE ,WHY YOU SCARE NOT MAKE SCENT BROTHER LISTEN TO ME

LOVE YOU BROTHER

JOHN

Listen, if I was there I would have went to see if I could talk to the co. There is no doubt in my mind that I would have went to try and talk if I knew I was going to get a second blue. Binh said that her friends cousin, yeah I know a friends friend said... that they asked him questions about his fiancee and if you were to answer them wrong it could cause a denial. If you do decide to go there I would say be calm and know things about your fiancee. I would not question their second blue slip, and the first and about the only thing I wowaitinguld ask them is this.

I just wantefiancéefiancéed to see you to make sure that if there was anything I could say or show you that would help make our case I am willing to do.

I would not be rude because he probably will not see you, or if he does he might just say he needs more time to review it. then just be polite. I think that if you try to see him they will not allow it, but.... that they will know you were there to see him. I feel that if a person is quiet and just simply accepts the outcome that this shows they are not very interested, but if a person tries to talk and shows them that they can get vocal for things that do not go their way they might take a second look at your case and maybe a more favorable decision. I know if they say no that there is nothing we can really do to them personally, but if they say "NO" time and again and people keep arguing with their senators and with the us consulate and they do have proof of a strong relationship as the other people feel it might make the Co's job come under review. It is like any job if no one complains and no one stands up for what they say or feel is right the people over him think he is doing his job remarkably well. If a few people complain then that is just to be accepted, there were un happy customers, but if hundreds of people complain then they think their worker is not doing such a good job. This goes back to my topic of us all standing together. Good luck man. we truly wish you the best Jerome

I would cut out remarks such as "I called her just to let her know that I was home after one week I was far away for forklift drill. I told her I would call her the next day." and "I called her back but she said she was still very busy so we could not talk much. She said she would call me when she finished her job."

It would make one think, geez, why didn't he have a cell phone to call her that week on his off-hours if they loved each other so much? And yes, she may have been busy and couldn't talk much (second remark), but that doesn't reflect positively. Just say you called her...just my two cents. I would assume you got a blue slip because you proposed to her before meeting her...

I agree with the above poster-take personal information out about other people here.

I do not agree with you. I think him putting thing like that in are good things. If a man really cares for a woma he would do such things or as he said because he told her he would call. To much information is never a bad thing. It gives the Co a chance to ask more questions to the fiancee and see if she agrees with his timeline. I like his timeline and I think what he put in was good. A Co might not want to read the entire thing, but it is there if he wants to. They rarely look at half of the evidince a person brings let alone a quarter of it. That does not mean we should send our fiancee in with 2 photos 2 letters and so on. Think about it give them the most possible information then that allows THEM to decide what to look at and what not to look at. Jerome