YanTerry

It seems that the best advice so far is to go over to China and marry her there.

Yes, it's already in the works, Thank you.

That's only half the answer. You still have to deal with the current case and get it resolved.

Yes pushbrk, I remember you making that statement.

It seems that the best advice so far is to go over to China and marry her there.

Yes, it's already in the works, Thank you.

Perhaps this is the straw you seek:

Her Question:

2. Question - When did you meet ?

Answer: Toward the end of the year 2006 - month November.

The actual truth:

yes i was only there 1 time, she answered it correctly. it was in April of last year, first meeting her and her family, i spent 1 month there

Just my thoughts...

GWN

Sounds liek the November 06 meeting was online and the in person was April 07. I suppose the CO could have been confused by those answers but since a dating site was mentioned, it should have been clear enough.

Yes! Perfectly clear in my book, but not theres.

Sorry to hear this happening to you on this long journey. I am now worried because i have been married and divorced 4 times. I have included all the necessary paperwork in the I-129f and G325a forms. But as far as actual address not included, hell, i am not even sure as to where my 1st or 2nd x now lives.

Is this a problem for me i need to over come with this process? and if so how?

The GIV24 comes months from now but I suggest you obtain at least your most recent former spouse's address and phone number and even supply your fiance with her SSN. It should be on a tax return. They may want this to verify you're living apart. It's a frequent request.

The GIV 24 was provided with both previous spouses recent addresses and SS numbers, along with both divorce decrees at interview time.

Sorry pushbrk, thought the last reply was directed at me, my screw-up !

Sorry to hear this happening to you on this long journey. I am now worried because i have been married and divorced 4 times. I have included all the necessary paperwork in the I-129f and G325a forms. But as far as actual address not included, hell, i am not even sure as to where my 1st or 2nd x now lives.

Is this a problem for me i need to over come with this process? and if so how?

The GIV24 comes months from now but I suggest you obtain at least your most recent former spouse's address and phone number and even supply your fiance with her SSN. It should be on a tax return. They may want this to verify you're living apart. It's a frequent request.

The GIV 24 was provided with both previous spouses recent addresses and SS numbers, along with both divorce decrees at interview time.

Hello all, recieved an update on my girlfriends interview in Guangzhou, resulting in a denial. when it came to the question about my x-wife, she asked where does she live ? answer: nearby in same town. her address where she resides ? answer: i don't know - sorry. BAMMMMMMM, WHITE PAPER ! pushbrk, you are correct in your last posting, Oh I didn't think this would be an issue, but a very important issue to them I guess. just comes down to not being as prepared as we thought, now we just bite the bullet, agree that it happens to the best of us and move forward.

The GIV 24 asked for your former spouse's address. Did you fail to include it? Was your "girlfriend" unfamiliar with the contents of the GIV 24? I take it you have a recent divorce and perhaps otherwise your case fits a fraud profile. Would she be from Fujian province by chance?

You are in a fiance visa process, so a petitioner in a bona fide relationship would also be past having a "girlfriend". All these things are critical.

What were the earlier questions and answers?

Hello pushbrk, the GIV 24 was filled out correctly, with all the pertaining info, and it was not a recent divorce, it was 5 years ago, all the packet 4 documents were handed to the officer before the interview was conducted, from what I understand, she dropped the ball, when asked what is his x-wifes address, she answered : I don't know. she resides in Heilongjiang province, not Fujian.

If you eventually want a visa for your fiance, you'll need to provide the answers (to an attorney or USCIS and/or here) the answers to the other questions I asked. These cases are evaluated in advance of the interview as well as with the full content of the interview experience. What are the other details of the interview? What other red flag or weak case issues are you aware of in your case?

In other words, the spouse address issue is not likely the whole problem but the last straw. What are the other straws?

pushbrk, I didn't think a previous spouse address was important either, this is what she told me about the questions.

1. Quesetion - where did you meet ?

Answer: We met online dating site.

2. Question - When did you meet ?

Answer: Toward the end of the year 2006 - month November.

3. Question - Has he been to china ?

Answer: Yes

4. Question - how many times ?

Answer: 1 time

5. Question - How many times has he divorced ?

Answer: 2 times

6. Question - His 2nd previous spouse, where does she live ?

Answer: Nearby in same town he resides.

7. Question - what is the address where she lives ?

Answer: I don't know. That was the end of the interview, and was handed the White Paper. It doesn't make sense to me either.

This is like pulling teeth. You only met once. How long were you there? When was it? What are the other straws? It's more than just the interview. What are the other pertinent facts you haven't mentioned?

pushbrk, i'm trying to give you the details. yes i was only there 1 time, she answered it correctly. it was in April of last year, first meeting her and her family, i spent 1 month there, we had the (kitchen sink) for evidence i don't have any other pertinent straws to give you, i'm just as dumb-founded as you. i wish i had the answers, i guess the black lady officer only knows.

Well, I would see the biggest straw as you not having seen each other in person for 19 months. From China, this tends to look like something other than bona fide. On the other hand, if you have good evidence of frequent communication, there's a good chance a local attorney can turn this around for you. If you choose not to go that route, then an eventual marriage in China and spouse visa filing is probably the only way you'll end up together in the USA. This would require resolving the current case first.

It COULD matter WHICH "dating site" as well. I must say you appear baffled but not particularly distressed. Frankly, you have me thinking your relationship may not be all that bona fide or serious on your part. (girlfried and all etc.) You're not acting like the other guys I've seen who overcame this kind of denial. Complacency won't bring you success in this endeavor.

Frankly pushbrk, we are both very distressed and very disappointed after going through the whole process following all the rules, and providing all the documents, we both are very sad because of this, sorry i don't sound distressed in my replys, but truthfully, I am very much, we have been communicating everyday for 3 years now, and was glad to have the oppurtunity to travel to china for the first time, we travelled to beijing together, climbed the Great Wall, Tianamen Square, and many tours together, along with many photos of us and her family together, I will definetly cherish these times together forever, although many people can afford to make numerous trips abroad, unfortunately i can't, i'm not rich, but i'm not poor either, and with our hard economic times at present, I wish I could. I agree with your advice on going to her home country someday and marry, and go that route which we will continue our communications on that subject. I appreciate all the help you have given for us, very greatfull, Thank you kindly.

Hello all, recieved an update on my girlfriends interview in Guangzhou, resulting in a denial. when it came to the question about my x-wife, she asked where does she live ? answer: nearby in same town. her address where she resides ? answer: i don't know - sorry. BAMMMMMMM, WHITE PAPER ! pushbrk, you are correct in your last posting, Oh I didn't think this would be an issue, but a very important issue to them I guess. just comes down to not being as prepared as we thought, now we just bite the bullet, agree that it happens to the best of us and move forward.

The GIV 24 asked for your former spouse's address. Did you fail to include it? Was your "girlfriend" unfamiliar with the contents of the GIV 24? I take it you have a recent divorce and perhaps otherwise your case fits a fraud profile. Would she be from Fujian province by chance?

You are in a fiance visa process, so a petitioner in a bona fide relationship would also be past having a "girlfriend". All these things are critical.

What were the earlier questions and answers?

Hello pushbrk, the GIV 24 was filled out correctly, with all the pertaining info, and it was not a recent divorce, it was 5 years ago, all the packet 4 documents were handed to the officer before the interview was conducted, from what I understand, she dropped the ball, when asked what is his x-wifes address, she answered : I don't know. she resides in Heilongjiang province, not Fujian.

If you eventually want a visa for your fiance, you'll need to provide the answers (to an attorney or USCIS and/or here) the answers to the other questions I asked. These cases are evaluated in advance of the interview as well as with the full content of the interview experience. What are the other details of the interview? What other red flag or weak case issues are you aware of in your case?

In other words, the spouse address issue is not likely the whole problem but the last straw. What are the other straws?

pushbrk, I didn't think a previous spouse address was important either, this is what she told me about the questions.

1. Quesetion - where did you meet ?

Answer: We met online dating site.

2. Question - When did you meet ?

Answer: Toward the end of the year 2006 - month November.

3. Question - Has he been to china ?

Answer: Yes

4. Question - how many times ?

Answer: 1 time

5. Question - How many times has he divorced ?

Answer: 2 times

6. Question - His 2nd previous spouse, where does she live ?

Answer: Nearby in same town he resides.

7. Question - what is the address where she lives ?

Answer: I don't know. That was the end of the interview, and was handed the White Paper. It doesn't make sense to me either.

This is like pulling teeth. You only met once. How long were you there? When was it? What are the other straws? It's more than just the interview. What are the other pertinent facts you haven't mentioned?

pushbrk, i'm trying to give you the details. yes i was only there 1 time, she answered it correctly. it was in April of last year, first meeting her and her family, i spent 1 month there, we had the (kitchen sink) for evidence i don't have any other pertinent straws to give you, i'm just as dumb-founded as you. i wish i had the answers, i guess the black lady officer only knows.

Hello all, recieved an update on my girlfriends interview in Guangzhou, resulting in a denial. when it came to the question about my x-wife, she asked where does she live ? answer: nearby in same town. her address where she resides ? answer: i don't know - sorry. BAMMMMMMM, WHITE PAPER ! pushbrk, you are correct in your last posting, Oh I didn't think this would be an issue, but a very important issue to them I guess. just comes down to not being as prepared as we thought, now we just bite the bullet, agree that it happens to the best of us and move forward.

The GIV 24 asked for your former spouse's address. Did you fail to include it? Was your "girlfriend" unfamiliar with the contents of the GIV 24? I take it you have a recent divorce and perhaps otherwise your case fits a fraud profile. Would she be from Fujian province by chance?

You are in a fiance visa process, so a petitioner in a bona fide relationship would also be past having a "girlfriend". All these things are critical.

What were the earlier questions and answers?

Hello pushbrk, the GIV 24 was filled out correctly, with all the pertaining info, and it was not a recent divorce, it was 5 years ago, all the packet 4 documents were handed to the officer before the interview was conducted, from what I understand, she dropped the ball, when asked what is his x-wifes address, she answered : I don't know. she resides in Heilongjiang province, not Fujian.

If you eventually want a visa for your fiance, you'll need to provide the answers (to an attorney or USCIS and/or here) the answers to the other questions I asked. These cases are evaluated in advance of the interview as well as with the full content of the interview experience. What are the other details of the interview? What other red flag or weak case issues are you aware of in your case?

In other words, the spouse address issue is not likely the whole problem but the last straw. What are the other straws?

pushbrk, I didn't think a previous spouse address was important either, this is what she told me about the questions.

1. Quesetion - where did you meet ?

Answer: We met online dating site.

2. Question - When did you meet ?

Answer: Toward the end of the year 2006 - month November.

3. Question - Has he been to china ?

Answer: Yes

4. Question - how many times ?

Answer: 1 time

5. Question - How many times has he divorced ?

Answer: 2 times

6. Question - His 2nd previous spouse, where does she live ?

Answer: Nearby in same town he resides.

7. Question - what is the address where she lives ?

Answer: I don't know. That was the end of the interview, and was handed the White Paper. It doesn't make sense to me either.

Hello all, recieved an update on my girlfriends interview in Guangzhou, resulting in a denial. when it came to the question about my x-wife, she asked where does she live ? answer: nearby in same town. her address where she resides ? answer: i don't know - sorry. BAMMMMMMM, WHITE PAPER ! pushbrk, you are correct in your last posting, Oh I didn't think this would be an issue, but a very important issue to them I guess. just comes down to not being as prepared as we thought, now we just bite the bullet, agree that it happens to the best of us and move forward.

The GIV 24 asked for your former spouse's address. Did you fail to include it? Was your "girlfriend" unfamiliar with the contents of the GIV 24? I take it you have a recent divorce and perhaps otherwise your case fits a fraud profile. Would she be from Fujian province by chance?

You are in a fiance visa process, so a petitioner in a bona fide relationship would also be past having a "girlfriend". All these things are critical.

What were the earlier questions and answers?

Hello pushbrk, the GIV 24 was filled out correctly, with all the pertaining info, and it was not a recent divorce, it was 5 years ago, all the packet 4 documents were handed to the officer before the interview was conducted, from what I understand, she dropped the ball, when asked what is his x-wifes address, she answered : I don't know. she resides in Heilongjiang province, not Fujian.

Hello all, recieved an update on my girlfriends interview in Guangzhou, resulting in a denial. when it came to the question about my x-wife, she asked where does she live ? answer: nearby in same town. her address where she resides ? answer: i don't know - sorry. BAMMMMMMM, WHITE PAPER ! pushbrk, you are correct in your last posting, Oh I didn't think this would be an issue, but a very important issue to them I guess. just comes down to not being as prepared as we thought, now we just bite the bullet, agree that it happens to the best of us and move forward.

Thanks pushbrk, that makes me feel a little better. Terry, sorry to hijack your thread.

Hi Kevin, not a problem at all, Take care

Yes, you are correct. I really should know better by now to double check my terminology when you're around!

In all honesty, it is very important to get the terminology correct, especially when it comes to this process. I'm working on it!

thank you

Thank God we all have pushbrk here for his superior knowlege, a very valuable asset no doubt !

OP.. i'm very sorry about your situation. Take pushbrk's advice, as he is the resident 'expert' on China, and find out exactly what the paper they gave her says then go from there. This is a very common scenario at the Embassy in GUZ.

You have only to visit the Regional Thread here on VJ or www.candleforlove.com for proof of that.

It's imperative you do your best to try and keep your petition at the Consulate and not let it be returned to the US.

Filing another I-129f to 'try again' will do you no good.

To the other mods/organizers...

I've left this post here for the time being so that more people going through this Embassy will find the relavent information.

Please leave it for now.

Maybe I should just move to China US seems to be falling apart ! I wonder if Capital Hill will give me (bailout) money for the plane ticket ?

Hello all, my girlfriend just called from Guangzhou, and said her visa was denied because of the typical ( NOT A BONA FIDE RELATIONSHIP) and it was the black lady officer that i heard about from other people that she likes to deny many people, hope she can sleep good tonight, me, NOT !!!

If you know or thought it might be a chance of denial, why didn't you attend the interview.

I would of demanded that the CO let me into the interview room.

Is China a high fraud country?

Yes, China is a high fraud country and no you wouldn't be demanding anything. The security guard would stop you at the top of the escallator to the 5th floor. The USC can wait in the coffee shop on the 4th floor or outside the building. Everybody knows there's always a chance of denial but not everyone can be with their loved one at interview time.

The important thing now is to focus on the next steps. The fiancee received either a blue or white paper. To assist with next steps we need to know both the color and exactly what the paper says. Many visas are initially denied with a request to provide more evidence or information. Others require a local attorney become involved immediately. The paper she was given will be the key.

What does the paper say?

Hello pushbrk, I agree with your reply 100% people have to realise it's quite expensive for a round trip ticket to China, and even if I was there, I know I could not be with her during the interview. the paper was the standard white paper, I assume there are more pages, but she only scanned and sent the front page - see attatched. I will try to update other pages. Thank you again for your reply and support.

I'm afraid I really can't read everything on the scan but it does reference not having a bona fide relationship.

Generally, in these cases your only viable option is to hire a local attorney familiar with the Consulate to petition them to keep the case there and allow you to provide additional evidence for their consideration. Otherwise months from now, USCIS will simply do nothing because the validity of the petition will have expired.

In these cases, one or both the parties generally have some kind of clue why this decision was reached. It usually has something to do with the lack of evidence or a problem with the interview itself. What clue do you or she have? What can you tell us about the interview?

If you can read the white sheet better than I can, does it reference any other codes or specifics except the generic "not a bona fide relationship"?

Hello again pushbrk, sorry about the scanned document, I also had a hard time reading it. this is the only thing I have at this time, my girlfriend was kinda rushed, and had to leave to visit her cousins in Shenzhen, but will fill me in on the details in a day or two. I will keep you posted ! Many thanks again to you.

Hello all, my girlfriend just called from Guangzhou, and said her visa was denied because of the typical ( NOT A BONA FIDE RELATIONSHIP) and it was the black lady officer that i heard about from other people that she likes to deny many people, hope she can sleep good tonight, me, NOT !!!

If you know or thought it might be a chance of denial, why didn't you attend the interview.

I would of demanded that the CO let me into the interview room.

Is China a high fraud country?

Yes, China is a high fraud country and no you wouldn't be demanding anything. The security guard would stop you at the top of the escallator to the 5th floor. The USC can wait in the coffee shop on the 4th floor or outside the building. Everybody knows there's always a chance of denial but not everyone can be with their loved one at interview time.

The important thing now is to focus on the next steps. The fiancee received either a blue or white paper. To assist with next steps we need to know both the color and exactly what the paper says. Many visas are initially denied with a request to provide more evidence or information. Others require a local attorney become involved immediately. The paper she was given will be the key.

What does the paper say?

Hello pushbrk, I agree with your reply 100% people have to realise it's quite expensive for a round trip ticket to China, and even if I was there, I know I could not be with her during the interview. the paper was the standard white paper, I assume there are more pages, but she only scanned and sent the front page - see attatched. I will try to update other pages. Thank you again for your reply and support.

Sorry to hear that Terry. All the denials at Guangzhou have really got me worried. Are you going to file another K-1, or go the K-3 route?

Hey Kevin & Leilei, as far as the K-1, i'm sure that it will just get sent back and expire, from what i've read here, K-3 is an option, I guess after the shock has wore off, we have to decide what do do next, it's certainly a blow for sure, I can only hope when interview time comes for you guys, that you have better luck than us. guess it's true what they say about Guangzhou ! just isn't fair. Take good care you guys.

Hello all, my girlfriend just called from Guangzhou, and said her visa was denied because of the typical ( NOT A BONA FIDE RELATIONSHIP) and it was the black lady officer that i heard about from other people that she likes to deny many people, hope she can sleep good tonight, me, NOT !!!

wow, 6 hour flight? where is she located?

Thank you everyone ! she resides in Harbin China, hope we will be lao gong, and lao po soon ! I Love her with all my heart forever.

Hello everyone, my girlfriend just called me and said her plane leaves in 30 minutes for Guangzhou for her interview. it will be a 6 hour flight for her , were both nervous, and hope she lands safely, interview is on the 19th. wish us luck !

Hello, my girlfriend is now saying that there is a total of 4 pages on this.

1 is for herself.

2 is for her family info. (duplicate)

last page is my family info here in the USA.

She is saying she needs my family info on the last page which is marked (20) 4

That is correct. I suggest you make up a spreadsheet with the appropriate information and then email it to her so she can transcribe it on the form. Include all information requested including for any former spouse(s). If something is unknown, write "unknown".

Thank you pushbrk, I will obtain a spreadsheet for her now. and you are saying I must submit my x-wifes info also from previous marriage ? name, birthdate etc. ??? Thank you for your reply.

Yes, that is what is meant by "any prevous spouse(s) he/she may have had. Wouldn't you think. Always read instructions carefully and interpret literally.

Gotcha ! will do

Hello, my girlfriend is now saying that there is a total of 4 pages on this.

1 is for herself.

2 is for her family info. (duplicate)

last page is my family info here in the USA.

She is saying she needs my family info on the last page which is marked (20) 4

That is correct. I suggest you make up a spreadsheet with the appropriate information and then email it to her so she can transcribe it on the form. Include all information requested including for any former spouse(s). If something is unknown, write "unknown".

Thank you pushbrk, I will obtain a spreadsheet for her now. and you are saying I must submit my x-wifes info also from previous marriage ? name, birthdate etc. ??? Thank you for your reply.

Hello, my girlfriend is now saying that there is a total of 4 pages on this.

1 is for herself.

2 is for her family info. (duplicate)

last page is my family info here in the USA.

She is saying she needs my family info on the last page which is marked (20) 4

Here's a blank GIV-24. It's painfully obvious why this form causes confusion....

Yes Karin und Otto, I am just going by what she sent me via email, I understand they look the same, but she says the last page, which is the 4th page is requesting my familys info etc. she said it can't be completed without my information. like you said, this is very confusing !!!

Hello, my girlfriend is now saying that there is a total of 4 pages on this.

1 is for herself.

2 is for her family info. (duplicate)

last page is my family info here in the USA.

She is saying she needs my family info on the last page which is marked (20) 4

What exactly is the query? The form simply asks for all her immediate relatives. With regard to the column entitled "US Entry date" simply answer N/A or not applicable if they have not been to the US.

Thank you Jose, but is it her relatives or mine she needs to submit on this ? That was my query on the subject, sorry about that.

This is information the foreign beneficiary needs to complete on his/her relatives (they're not asking about the USC's relatives).

Thank you Karin und Otto for clearing this up for us ! this is what I thought it was also. again, thank you for the reply.

What exactly is the query? The form simply asks for all her immediate relatives. With regard to the column entitled "US Entry date" simply answer N/A or not applicable if they have not been to the US.

Thank you Jose, but is it her relatives or mine she needs to submit on this ? That was my query on the subject, sorry about that.