JingJoseph

Forgot what your mod name is. Some lost soul in the off topic female.

(thats your problem not mine). You should have called yourself a human.

Got sick of trying to reply to your meaningless ban. Since you are some

kinda god here you should keep your mod email box free for the ones you

ban for 48 hours to respond in. But you can't can you. Got to much of your

regulars to keep up with right? Maybe you fmod should take better care

of the off-topic part of your site don't you think?

You let racist, #######, pure jerks run thier sorry little mouth in any

way they want. You find fault in "real people" The ones who see these

jerks for who they realy are. Thier comments are the same as yours mod.

Meaningless, ineveryway. Your shitass so called boys in this forum get away

with rasict ####### everyday but you never ban thier sorry ####. Why? Do they

pay for thier ####### post? I wont add ids to your ban but its plane to see

not one of you boys has one leg to stand on.

Add to this. Your all about one certain province in China. He knows of

who I say. Guess what MR FANCYPANTS you are no more than that.

I gave you the chance to answer your province challange. Seems you

wimped out big man fancypants, hell I forgot which which one of you are the

expert on China. Sorry not sure which on of you jerks are the so callled expert.

I dont know what female mod youare who banned me for 48 and dont care

at all. Your off topic part should be banned. I dont remmmeber your mod

name. Feal free to contact me. Just do not include any remarks from the

offf-topic forum. The little boys you banned my words are no more than

a complete low life jackass with no understanding of nothing at all but yourself.

Your choice was not to answer Fancypants. What happended to you Fancy?

Did you learn its not all about GX? Tried to debate your usa #### with ciinese.

Sorry but you are no more than a fart. You female mods. You should know bettter.

You should pick your battles to ban more closely.

You just might find you need to ban yourself. Have a nice day you off-topic

####### as well as your mod. Pick your words carelully. Jackass. Yeh mod

whoever you arre. Be carefull who you ban, what you do. Thier are people

will want you to answer face to face.

You dont have a problem with that do you mod?

We dont. You mod as well as your asswholes in

ur topics should know your jerks will be called

to answer your #######.

So are you ready? This is your chance to prove.

Same as your sorry as who banned me. You jackasses

are notihng but words. You banners and your China know

it alls you know who you are. Dump your 1 sided #######.

Danm yout VJ #######. You know China?

Do your best here without these sorry #### jerks om VJ.

Danm you and the horse you road in on. I dont know your

mod name. but you are a piece of ######.Your so called ban

reflecfs who you are...

You wish to debate this one on one contact me direct.

Since you and your offtopics have no idea who any of

you know who you are. it would be a pleasure to clear

your mind. Your so called ban for 48 hours your #### had

no idea what you did, did you?

We don't give a rats #### about you or the housre you road

in on. I dont know the MOD who banded me. I do want her

to email me your onesided ######.

take your comments to thr next level. 4got your mod name here.

Bring your mod ###### here. sight@sightsrv.com

itwontme@yahoo.com......................

Bring your ban to me.. As well as your ####### kings.

Meet the challange or drown in your ######.

I am waiting, #### Hole

HERE WE ALL BROTHERS AND SISTERS NO MATTER WHAT REALLY I APPRECIATION EVERYBODY HERE WE ALL A IN THE ONE SHIP ... AND WE NEED TO BACK TO OUR VISA'S AND I WANT EVERYONE PRAY FOR ME TO GET MY VISA CUZ THE EMBASSY NEED TAX RETURN 2008 AFTER THEY TOLD ME CONGRATULAIONS U APPROVED . GRRRRR STILL ANGRY CUZ THEY NEED SOMETHING NOT WITH US NOW

Just dont become a Southern Baptist someday...you would be unbearable.

good luck on the visa though.

Belive in a god or not gives no-one any right at all to spit on another man due to what he belives.

Whats the problem? The poster didn't post in a way you people can understand? Maybe you people

should be the ones to find (or make) a website you can spit in. Be carefull though you just might

be creating another religion. Southern Baptist True Church in Christ Spitters (reformed) might

be a good one. Do check with the IRS, make sure your religion will be tax exempt. That is more

or less what you jokers have posted right? Your form of religion? Well dang we all thought you

guys was just making a joke.

Just dont become a Southern Baptist someday...you would be unbearable.

You did that all own your own to yourself. Good spitting guys!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

But Obama plays basketball, not golf

Its a culture thing

MAYBE I WRITED MY TOPIC IN WRONG PLACE ... I'M SORRY

Give the man a break. Let him say it it his own words. Or just let the

nightly news shape your thoughts. Your choice, press the power button

or pick something takes some effort. Real easy here to put down. Harder

to take the time to understand.

Birth & Growth

He is Muhammad – peace be upon him - son of Abdullah son of Abdul Muttaleb son of Hashim Al Qurashi, and he descends from Ismael son of Ibrahim – peace be upon them.

Prophet Muhammad – peace be upon him – has several names, and he has mentioned some of them in his tradition: "I have five names; Muhammad, Ahmad, the Eliminator as Allah the Almighty has eliminated infidelity by me, the Resurrection Sign as the people will be resurrected after my prophethood, and I am the Last Prophet" whom no prophet comes after.

The American Anthropologist Ralf Linton said: "Muhammad – peace be upon him - was born in Makkah on (April 20th, 571 A.D) from a well-positioned family but his father died before his birth and his mother died also when Muhammad – peace be upon him – was six years old .. In the first years of his puberty, he was working as a shepherd.. When he attained seventeen years old he went to Syria with his uncle for the purpose of trading… when he attained twenty forth years of age, he worked for a rich widow – Lady Khadijah, may Allah be pleased with her – and has assumed travelling with her trading caravan on her behalf. After a year – i.e. 595 A.D – he has married that widow – Khadijah may Allah be pleased with her - who was forty years old and who has married twice before. She has two sons and one daughter from her previous marriages. After marriage, she has given birth to two sons but they died while they were infants , and four daughters. During the period between 595-610 A.D. Muhammad – peace be upon him – became a well-respected merchant in Makkah, and was known as the "honest" because of his faith, honesty and wisdom"

Morals and Attributes of Muhammad (PBUH) :-

After the death of his paternal uncle Abu Talib, Allah’s Prophet lived at the house of his paternal grandfather, Abdul Muttalib who was the leader of Makkah. There, Allah’s Prophet had the opportunity to acquire wisdom and sound thinking as well as get acquainted with surrounding issues, problems and disputes. He had first hand experience of different people, the status of Arab tribes, communities and alliances. Besides, he actively participated in all this: he was a member of Hilf Al Fudhool (lit. Alliance of Virtue) that supported the wronged and resisted any aspect of oppression; he was a just judge in many disputes among tribes and families. Allah’s Prophet was the best among his community in terms of magnanimity, morals, forbearance, truthfulness, impeachable disposition, chastity, and fulfilment. In short, he was, as described by his wife Khadijah (may Allah be pleased with her), a person who kept good relations with his kith and kin, helped the poor and the destitute, served his guests generously and assisted the deserving calamity-afflicted ones.

1) Excellence in morals

Orientlist Arthur Gilman says: “Historians agreed that Muhammad – peace and blessings be upon him- was distinguished among his tribe because of his straight morals: truthfulness, honesty, generosity, good merits, and modesty. He never drank alcohols and never attended a festival or celebration dedicated to idols.”

2) Not even a blemish

Karl Broklman says: “Muhammad’s life did not have even one blemish. During his boyhood and adulthood, he was above suspicions in which his companions immersed.”

3) Noble-minded thinker

Thomas Carlyle indicates that: “It was noted that Muhammad – peace and blessings be upon him- was a thoughtful youth; his companions used to describe him as “the honest” (Al Ameen) – the man of truthfulness and fulfilment. He was truthful in his actions, sayings, and thoughts. His companions realized that he was so wise. I know also that he was long in silence and did not speak without cause. Once he spoke, his words were full of wisdom. During his life, he was a man of principle, determination, insightful, and of consecutive sorrows. He was known of being generous, pious, compassionate, Allah-fearing, virtuous, proud, hard working, and straightforward. At the same time, he was affable, well disposed, ever smiling, and cheerful. There was always a bright smile over his face, a smile that tells about a pure heart. Muhammad – peace and blessings be upon him- was intelligent and magnanimous, intuitively great and divinely taught. He thus performed his greatest task in the middle of the barren desert.”

4) The most magnanimous

Belgian scholar Alfred Alfanz writes about the morals of Allah’s Prophet Muhammad – peace and blessings be upon him: “Muhammad – peace and blessings be upon him – grew up on morals. He was the best in magnanimity, patience and honesty. He was the best to talk and the most truthful. He was far away from obscenity so that he was known among his people by the epithet “Al Ameen.” These credentials urged the wealthy Khadijah bint Khuwaylid to ask him to be among the members of her commercial journey to Syria with her servant Maisrah. He earned for her a lot of money and Maisrah came back and told her about the miracles he saw. She proposed to him through a relative. She was forty years old and twice widowed. Allah’s Prophet gave her twenty Bakrah as her dowry. He was twenty-five. He lived with her until she died.”

5) People’s respect for him

Russian scholar Arlinov talked about the Prophet of mercy: “He was famous of being good-tempered, well-disposed, modesty, and affability. Muhammad spent forty years among people in peace and tranquillity. All his relatives loved him dearly and all his acquaintances did respect him because of his sound principles, unique morals, honour, and uprightness.”

6) Sayings of his contemporaries

The above was some of the opinions of fair western scholars regarding the morals of Muhammad – peace and blessings be upon him. What about his Companions and contemporaries who accompanied him?

Ali Ibn Abi Talib said:

“Allah’s Prophet would guard his tongue from that which did not concern him. He would attract them (the people) and not repel them. He would ennoble the noble of the people and charge them with their affairs. He was wary of the people and guarded himself against them but without depriving them a warm smile or fitting conduct. He would inquire after his companions and would ask the people about their affairs. He would encourage that which was good and strengthen it, and he would discourage that which was evil and undermine it. He was balanced and consistent. He would never be neglectful that they would not learn neglect and grow indifferent. He had a provision for every occasion and he never fell short of justice nor exceeded it. The closest people to him were the most comprehensive in advice. The highest of them in stature with him was the best among them in looking after the people and assisting them.”

“He was ever smiling, gentle in manners, soft in nature. He was not severe, harsh-hearted, loud at marketplaces, abusive, or encomiast. He would disregard that which he disliked, and no one ever despaired of him. He never responded to disparagement or evil words. He forbade upon himself three things: argument, arrogance, and that which did not concern him. And he relieved the people of three: he would not degrade any among them or abuse them; he would not search after their honour or private matters, and he would not speak except in matters which he hoped to be rewarded for. When he spoke his attendees would lower their heads as if birds had alighted on them. Once he finished they would speak. They would not vie with one another in his presence to speak, but when one would talk in his presence, the rest would listen until he finished. Speech in his presence was that of the first among them. He would laugh with them, and wonder with them. He had patience with the strangers when they were gruff in speech and requests.”

“Allah’s Prophet’s silence was because of four reasons: forbearance, caution, discretion, and contemplation. His discretion was related to deep thinking, listening to people and his contemplation was in the eternal and not the ephemeral. He had the utmost level of patience so that he could not get angry easily. Caution for him was of four types: following good to be followed, avoiding evil to be avoided, thinking deeply in the best things for his Umma and doing the best for them to gather both life and afterlife.”

“He was ever smiling, well disposed, not vulgar or harsh. He was not clamorous or obscene. He was not faultfinding or quarrelsome. He would disregard that which he disliked, and no one ever despaired of him.”

Second: His Attributes

1) Anas’ description of Allah’s Prophet – peace and blessings be upon him

Anas bin Malik, Allah’s Prophet servant said: “The Prophet was neither conspicuously tall, nor short; neither, very white, nor tawny. His hair was neither much curled, nor very straight. Allah sent him (as an Apostle) at the age of forty (and after that) he stayed for ten years in Mecca, and for ten more years in Medina. Allah took him unto Him at the age of sixty, and he scarcely had ten white hairs on his head and in his beard.”

“The Prophet had big hands and feet, and I have not seen anybody like him, neither before nor after him, and his palms were soft.”

“The hair of the Prophet used to hang down up to his shoulders.”

2) Ibn Abbas’ description of Allah’s Prophet – peace and blessings be upon him

“The Prophet used to copy the people of the Scriptures in matters in which there was no order from Allah. The people of the Scripture used to let their hair hang down while the pagans used to part their hair. So the Prophet let his hair hang down first, but later on he parted it.”

3) Al Baraa’s description of Allah’s Prophet – peace and blessings be upon him

Al Baraa said: “I did not see anybody in a red cloak looking more handsome than the Prophet. He was not excessively tall or short and had wide shoulders. His hair used to hang down to the earlobes. He was the most handsome man I ever saw.”

4) Jabir ibn Sumrah’s description of Allah’s Prophet – peace and blessings be upon him

“I saw Allah’s Prophet in a red cloak in a moon-lit night. I kept looking at him and at the moon; he was in my eyes more brilliant than the moon.”

“Allah’s Prophet had a big mouth, long eyes, and slender heel.”

5) Ali ibn Abi Talib’s description of Allah’s Prophet – peace and blessings be upon him

“The Prophet was neither too tall nor too short, his hands and feet were slender, his head and bones were big, he had long hair line from his chest to his navel, he moved as if descending a slope. I have never seen before or after him anyone similar to him.”

6) Abi At-Tofail’s description of Allah’s Prophet – peace and blessings be upon him

“I saw the Prophet – peace and blessings be upon him- and I am the only still living man who saw him.” When he was asked to describe him, he said: “He was white skinned, handsome, and have an agile gait.”

7) Abi Huraira’s description of Allah’s Prophet – peace and blessings be upon him

Abu Hurairah described him as follows: “He was the smartest person. He was of medium built, closer to being tall. His shoulders were wide and he had smooth cheeks; his hair was pitch black, and he was black-eyed and had long lashes. He used trod with his whole foot and he did not have a sole. His shoulders were like a silver ingot. When he smiled his teeth shone.”

8) Um Mabad’s description of Allah’s Prophet – Peace and blessings be upon him

Um Mabad Al-Khuzayah was the best one ever to describe the Allah’s Prophet . She described him to her husband: “He is bright, he has a good face, well-behaved, he is not defective with a large abdomen or a small head, he is a handsome man, the pupils of his eyes are very black, the hair of his eyelids is very long, there is Sahal in his voice (i.e. mild hoarseness), his neck is brilliant, there is Kathatha in his beard (i.e. much hair), he is black-eyed, his eyebrows are bent and very close to each other, his hair is very black, he is dignified when he is silent and he is splendid when he talks. He is most beautiful and graceful one from a distance and the best one when he is near, he is fluent, his speech looks like pearls, he has a medium height, he becomes the brightest and the most supreme one when he is between two persons, he always has companions who listen to him when he talks and obeys his orders when he asks them to do something, his companions accompany and serve him, he is not frowning, he does not talk in vain.”

The World before the Prophet's Mission :-

While the Eastern and Western worlds with their futile philosophies were living in the dark eras of thinking and corrupt worship, the bright light of Muhammad the Prophet of Allah The Almighty, peace be upon him, emerged out of Makkah, illuminated the world and guided it to Islam".

Prophet Muhammad - peace be upon him - was born while the people were suffering from ignorance, backwardness, and the moral and cultural deterioration.. the Arab people in the Arabian Peninsula were worshipping idols, burying the newborn girls alive, profiting from adultery and prostitution. The Persian people were worshipping fire and the tyrant Kisra has planted casteism and hatred among the Persian people. Hercules planted the sectarian conflicts among the Roman and killed anyone opposing his doctrine. Moreover, the governing Roman Authority was suffering from the financial, administrative and political corruption to the extent that they have imposed a tax on people called "Head Tax"; an amount of money paid by the citizen in order to save his life!

Consequently, "You can see the popular willingness to commit suicide. The people at such era were not only wishing suicide but also were striving to do it!!

Like this, the world was drowned with injustice and backwardness until Allah The Almighty has sent this faithful and honest Prophet, Muhammad peace be upon him.

In this regard Henry Masseh stated:

"Thanks to the religious and political reforms by Muhammad – Peace be upon him – which are integrated and unified ones, the Arab people became aware and left the darkness of backwardness and disorder to arrange their entry to the urban history".

Prophethood and Revelation :-

First: The Witness of the Scriptures

The Torah and the Gospels foretold the mission of Prophet Muhammad (SAWS) both explicitly and implicitly.

In Numbers, Bilaam, the son of Boer, said: “there shall be a star that appears from among the family of Ishmael and its support a family of the Arabs; the Earth shall shake for its appearance.” Al Muhtadi Al Iskandrani commented: “The only person who appeared from the family of Ishmael was Muhammad (SAWS) and he was also the only person because of whose appearance the Earth shaked. Really, he was the star of the family of Ishmael and the person whose mission changed the face of the Earth. With his birth, Satans were forbidden from eavesdropping the news of the heavens; the sacred fire of Persia was extinguished; the Babel idols fell down; and his followers demolished the unjust regimes.”

The above text of the Numbers was later slanted in modern versions to be: “there shall come a Star out of Jacob, and a Sceptre shall rise out of Israel, and shall smite the corners of Moab, and destroy all the children of Sheth.” (24:17)

The Latin version of this text is as follows: “stella ex Iacob et consurget virga de Israhel et percutiet duces Moab vastabitque omnes filios Seth.”

In the fifteenth chapter from his Gospel, John said that Isa (AS) said that: “But when the Comforter (It is also called the ‘Paraclete’; in Greek it is ‘Parakliton’ and in Latin it is ‘Advocatus.’) is come, whom I will send unto you from the Father, even the Spirit of truth, which proceedeth from the Father, he shall testify of me.” (15:26) John also said in the sixteenth chapter: “Nevertheless I tell you the truth; It is expedient for you that I go away: for if I go not away, the Comforter will not come unto you; but if I depart, I will send him unto you. And when he is come, he will reprove the world of sin, and of righteousness, and of judgment.” (16:7-8)

In the Gospel of Barnabas, Isa (AS) said: “God shall take me up from the earth, and shall change the appearance of the traitor so that every one shall believe him to be me; nevertheless, when he dies an evil death, I shall abide in that dishonour for a long time in the world. But when Muhammad shall come, the sacred Messenger of God, that infamy shall be taken away."

Prominent Jewish and Christian scholars, such the rabbi Abdullah bin Sallam and Warqa bin Nawfal, witnessed to the prophethood of Prophet Muhammad (SAWS). They would be an argument against all Jews and Christians until the Day of Judgment.

Second: The Witness of Western Scientists

Many of modern thinkers and scholars admitted the prophethood of Prophet Muhammad (SAWS). Some examples are the following:

1) Washington Irving

The American writer Washington Irving (1783–1859) said: “Muhammad (SAWS) was the last and greatest prophet Allah has sent to call people to Allah’s worship.”

2) Marcelle Boizar

Marcel Boizar proves the prophethood of Muhammad (SAWS) in a rational and scientific way. He eloquently said: “Since Prophet Muhammad (SAWS) settled in Madinah his life became an integral part of Islamic history. His actions were transmitted to us in the minutest detail. As he was an energetic organizer, he proved his ability to defend the embryonic Islamic society and propagate his call. In spite of his power to fight and punish, he used to forgive. However, he did not relent with the enemies of the religion. It seems that the three merits of the Prophet (SAWS), that is, devoutness, fighting, and forgiveness impacted the Islamic society during its early emergence and embodied the spiritual atmosphere of Islam.

“History depicts Muhammad (SAWS) both as a great leader whose heart is full of mercy as well as a man of state par excellence who was firm and had a wise policy that dealt with all on equal footing and gave each his right. Through his diplomacy and fairness he was able to grasp the recognition for the emerging Islamic group through treaties at the time he was starting to defeat his enemies in the battlefield. If we are to remember the fragile power of any Arab leader on the psychological domain at the time and the virtues he was supposed to have, we would conclude that Muhammad (SAWS), who knew how to obtain the satisfaction of the widest domain of people, was really above the human level and that he must have been a real prophet of Allah.”

3) Emile Dermenghem

Emile Dermenghem used the event of the death of Ibrahim, the Prophet’s (SAWS) son, to prove the prophethood of the Prophet (SAWS). He said: “Muhammad (SAWS) had a son called Ibrahim from Mary the Coptic but this boy died in infancy. The Prophet (SAWS) was really sad at heart. He buried Ibrahim by his own hands and cried on him. On the day of Ibrahim’s death, it happened that the sun eclipsed and Muslims said that it eclipsed for the death of Ibrahim. The Prophet (SAWS) was lofty enough to say that ‘The sun and the moon do not eclipse because of the death or life (i.e. birth) of someone but they are two signs amongst the signs of Allah.’”( Sahih AL-Bukhari: Volume 2)Such a statement would not be of a lying imposter.

4) Leitner

(Gottlieb Wilhelm Leitner, or Gottlieb William Leitner.(14 October 1840 - 22 March 1899) was an Anglo-Hungarian orientalist.)

Leitner said: “As far as I know about Judaism and Christianity, I would say that the instructions of Muhammad (SAWS) were not plagiarism of either. Without doubt he received revelation from very close to Allah The Ever-Mighty, The Ever-Knowing. I say that certainly from among the proofs of his prophethood are self-sacrifice, honesty of objective, firm belief in the heart, insight into the way to deal with sin and going astray and the use of the best media to overcome them.”

5) Luravicia Vaglreiy

The Italian writer Luravicia Vaghlreiy said: “Driven by blind envy, the fiercest enemies of Islam tried to falsely accuse the Prophet of Allah (SAWS) and they forgot that before he received revelation, Prophet Muhammad (SAWS) was respected among his people for his honesty and purity of life. It is strange that those accusers do not even try to ask themselves how could Prophet Muhammad (SAWS) be able to threaten the liars and the hypocrites of eternal hellfire as mentioned in some of the ayahs of the Qur’an if he himself were a liar? How did he dare to propagate his call in spite of the hostilities of his people if he – the man with the simple intuition - had not had an internal power that continuously urged him? How could he start a struggle that seemed totally hopeless? How did he succeed to continue this struggle for more than ten years in Makkah without a notable success and among uncountable sorrows if he had not had deep belief in the veracity of his mission? How did this number of noble and intelligent Muslims believe and support him and embrace the new religion together with the slaves, freed men, and destitute poor unless they touched his honesty? We do not need to say more than this. Even among the westerners, it is almost unanimous that the honesty of Muhammad (SAWS) was sure and deep.”

6) Rum Landou

The British thinker Rum Landou revealed the mistake of those who question the prophethood of Prophet Muhammad (SAWS) saying: “The mission of Muhammad (SAWS) was a huge one. It was not the mission of a liar driven by egotistic factors as some of early western writers dubbed Muhammad the Arab. All this is rendered unreasonable if we think about the honesty of Muhammad (SAWS) in delivering his mission, the belief of his followers and the test of generations and centuries; we cannot then accuse Muhammad of intentional deceit. History tells us that no religious imposition would last. Islam has not only lasted for more than one thousand and three hundred years (Now more than one thousand four hundred years.) but it is also still gaining new followers. History does not tell us about any fraudulent person whose message was able to create one of the biggest empires and the noblest civilizations all over the world.”

Ok all the quotes from brainy types are fine, sorry but if you need to make a point thats not a good way to do it out here among normal folks. We like simple words from the poster that are easy to understand. In this way you will have others understand your true meaning and get replys other than mine. So with my small brain will ask you what I understand. Please forgive me for things I ask my understanding of what little I have read and what I see is very different. I have found no god in teachings from any book that point blank says if you do not belive my teachings you are an infadel, a non beliver. Your (our) (my) way of life is just not right and you should be punished. I belive there is a god and we should live our lives with morals, honesty and love for our brothers and sisters no matter what country we live in. I very well understand what other people see in the west. Turn on the TV it's easy to see why people think we have no morals, no belief in anything but material things, no belief in a god whoever you call him. This belief is baseless. It is not in anyway who we are. Forgive me but I see everyday others calling me a infadel without a thought of who (I) (we) realy are. Again forgive my none understanding but to think some are blinded to what all our gods intended us to be. I submit it is mortal mans view of teachings that has lead us to where we are. Show me a god that tells me (our you) to go forth and kill the none belivers. I have never read any kind of god in any book that told me to go forth and kill my brother, sister or child. I know no heaven like this in my little mind. Again forgive me but it sounds more like the devil, that is what I would expect from him.

Please don't get me wrong, just a normal person like most of us trying to understand more than what we see on CNN. Please put in simple terms exactly what your saying. Not so called experts.

An Unreflective Man

by Patrick J. Buchanan

Posted 01/13/2009 ET

Updated 01/13/2009 ET

With his public approval where Harry Truman's stood when he left office, George W. Bush gave his last press conference yesterday.

And like that predecessor he often identifies with, Bush showed a Trumanesque defiance of his critics -- and a Trumanesque failure to understand what ruined his presidency.

He denounced protectionism, as he has with dismissive contempt since he went to New Hampshire a decade ago. But nowhere in his defense of free trade was there any explanation for how Middle America lost 3 million manufacturing jobs in his first term and a million more in the last year.

Nowhere does there seem an awareness that the ideas he absorbed at his father's knee and the Harvard Business School had resulted in the de-industrialization of his country, an enormous and growing dependency on Japan, China and Asia for the essentials of our national life, and, now, for the borrowed money to pay for them.

Someone once defined tragedy as what happens when a beautiful theory collides with a fact. And this is what has happened every time a great empire -- be it the Spanish, British or American -- embraced free trade as its salvation.

President Bush says it was freedom that prevailed when he rejected the pleas of weak-sister Republicans and backed the surge. But what spared us a debacle in Iraq was an infusion of 30,000 combat troops, an uprising against the murderers of al-Qaida and a U.S. decision to buy off the Sunni tribes, a strategy besieged empires have pursued for centuries.

Nor does there appear in Bush's self-assurance any awareness of the cost of his Freedom Agenda. In Iraq, it is 4,000 U.S. dead, 30,000 wounded, hundreds of thousands of Iraqi dead, millions of refugees, a pogrom against an ancient Christian community, and a strategic victory for Iran and its Shia allies across the Middle East. When last heard from, the Ayatollah Sistani -- the chief Shia cleric in Iraq, who has welcomed Iranian but not American visitors -- was calling for Muslims to stand up against Israeli criminality in Gaza.

Like Woodrow Wilson before him, Bush appears to believe that the nobility of his goals -- expanding freedom and bringing an end to tyranny in our world -- validates and will sanctify his decisions.

Like Wilson, he is a utopian. He fails to understand that idealism has its delusions and disasters.

The war Wilson led us into "to make the world safe for democracy" gave us Vladimir Lenin, Joseph Stalin and 70 years of the most barbaric empire in all history. The peace Wilson brought home led straight to Adolf Hitler, the Third Reich and a second world war far worse than the first.

The West's road to hell has been paved with good intentions.

President Bush rightly denounces Europeans who see Israel as always wrong. Yet he behaves as though Israel can do no wrong. Sixteen days into the Gaza war, with the Palestinian dead and wounded near 5,000, and a humanitarian catastrophe at hand, has our "compassionate conservative" president uttered one word of compassion for those whose losses outnumber the Israelis' 100 to one?

In defending his rejected immigration reform, President Bush clearly sees himself as in the vanguard of decency, and admonishes his party against being perceived as anti-immigrant.

But is this president oblivious to what is happening in his country because of his and his father's failure to secure the border? Even in rich, liberal Montgomery County, Md., one reads over the weekend that there is a hardening of attitudes toward illegal immigration after a spate of crimes and killings. Working-class Americans pay the price of the idealism around the dinner table at the Crawford ranch.

In his first five years, Bush himself has admitted, 6 million aliens were arrested at the border, breaking into this country. One in 12 -- 500,000 -- had criminal records. Is it anti-immigrant to demand a halt to this invasion, even if it means troops on the border? Is it truly compassionate, or an act of cravenness, to insist that the answer is amnesty for 12 million to 20 million illegals and absolution for the businesses that hired them?

Choleric and cocky Harry Truman may be Bush's role model. But it was Dwight D. Eisenhower who had to clean up the mess Harry left behind.

Six months into office, Ike had ended the Korean War. He had the courage no president has since shown to tell the Israelis they must get off occupied land. They did.

While surely repelled by Nikita Khrushchev, especially for the Hungarian bloodbath of 1956, Ike had him up to Camp David in 1959 because, wicked as the Bolsheviks were, they had nuclear weapons, and one must talk to them.

Prudence is the mark of the true conservative. Ike and Ronald Reagan had it. Neither Bush nor Truman did. And that is why the former left the country so much better off than did the latter.

Goodbye, Mr. President, and God bless.

http://www.humanevents.com/article.php?id=30256

Well done peejay, well done

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Yes it is very hard and will test your love and patience. Look at it this way

out of the years you both have been here it's only a few minutes of time.

Don't make it easy to deal with I know. Hang tough your love for each

other will pull you through. Just don't let it get you down. Where theres

a will theres a way. Let your love for each other be your strength.

That's the least that little #### kicker deserves.

I hope the guy got his shoes back

Sorry got sent back to you.

Sad to say most likey not big enough to keep your

one sided ####### to yourself. Why dont you jerks spew

your non-sense on some yahoo group. We dont need

your #######.

Disclaimer: I didn't write that. I got it off the Internet.

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Sticking to 'lofty principles' is what seperates 'us' from 'them'. You should try it sometime. Needless to say, waterboarding and other forms of torture simply don't work - in terms of extracting useful information. About the only thing it seems to do is make some people feel good about giving their enemies a taste of their own sadistic medicine. Oh the joy of reading such flawed logic as comes from the keyboard of Dannoboy

I posted the vid to show that waterboarding CAN BE EFFECTIVE in getting info.

As for "lofty principles" I will save the use of

them for like minded people.

PS: the bombs clock was ticking and you never gave us your choice of action.

Nipples we can belive in

Got to ####### a the problem.

Whats cnn gonna get ya.

Hit it on the head Danno.

• Repair and rebuild neglected bridges, railroads, schools, and other infrastructure, designing for climate change & a post-petroleum world.
• Extend unemployment insurance benefits.
• Provide tax relief to middle- and low-income families, and reinstate fair taxes on high-wealth individuals and corporate profits.
• Adopt the Employee Free Choice Act to increase opportunities to unionize.

67% Favor public works projects to create jobs.

55% Favor expanding unemployment benefits.

73% Say corporations don't pay a fair share of taxes.

76% Support tax cuts for lower- and middle-income people.

71% Say unions help their members; 53% say unions help the economy in general.

I don't why this public works project Obama has planned is so glamorized. It's not going to create anything. We, the people, create everything. Government cannot get money anywhere but from us. Whether it be overt (taxation) or covert (inflationary money creation).

So all that is really happening with this infrastructure scheme is jobs and wealth are being forced from the private sector to the public sector. We can not gain wealth through intervention and coercion. It can only be transferred and reallocated.

Matt, there are still facilities being used, bridges being crossed and roads being driven over that were built after the Great Depression by workers on the WPA.

A nation needs an infrastructure to be called a nation. If the next administration were indicating they were going to make it easier to simply sit around on your ####### and draw a welfare check, I could understand the outcry. But putting people to work to build things we need is far from not 'creating' anything.

Historically what the WPA did was put people to work on infrastructure projects UNTIL there were private sector jobs created. I could say that some folks are glamorizing the free markets if I wanted to apply the same logic you seem to be applying. The fact of the matter is that new private sector business and jobs won't happen overnight, no matter how powerfully one wants to believe in American 'capitalism' (a term I think is rather loose myself).

But the same logic simply cannot be applied to the free market. I'm not really sure what you mean by that anyways, Becca.

But, the New Deal actually made the depression longer than it would have been with the free market. Pumping more money into the economy doesn't increase wealth, just as paying someone to dig a hole doesn't create a more prosperous economy. (If you're interested, check out The Broken Window Fallacy, . which is a work created by renouned 18th century French economist Frédéric Bastiat, and clearly explained by economist Henry Hazlitt.)

Your right. Didn't work then. Try it now it will be even worse.

I forgot to add that Captain Ewok has approved the sales of these books so long as there is no personal gain from it. The cost is only to cover the printing and shipping so there are no TOS violations.

Send me how to order.

sightsrv@gmail.com

Hello, I am very confused, I would like to see instructions that were received by mail, for the DS-230 and Civil Documents. I think they are different than the instructions downloaded from the online payment center. Please help if you can, Thanks, Mike & Yizhen

Mike. What is this ds-230? Not familer with this.

don't forget these polls are done in major citys, LA, NY..etc...

79% of the US population in 2000 lived in urban areas.

58% of the US population in 2000 lived in urban areas of more than 200,000 people.

Source: http://www.fhwa.dot.gov/planning/census/cps2k.htm

2000 58%? You know how many millions where not in this?

Its 2008 now. Even then 3/4's of the nation had no say.

Pick a channel, find the hand full they (got a answer from).

Then say over 300 million belive in the nipple. Mean no dis

respect at all. These polls never reach most of us with a mind

of our own. Try to tell millions of us what to belive from a hand

full of one-sided (mostly run) by nipples.

Well you get a one sided view of a world that is not that way.

Sure you get a .newsview. a .govsview and that ####### is what

makes problems for the larger part of us. Tell a woman or a man

with a mind of their own no matter what country what they should

belive. You will find a millions of normal people wondering whats

wrong with you.

Ask them what poll they took part in. Find it so easy to be told

what to belive. Might as well play with your nipples. You people

can't think for your self, have no mind at all. Sorry but we can't

be told what to think, we know better. Shame some of you can't.

Did you ever take time to wonder why some see you so bad?

Have you ever thought it could be what you didn't take the time

understand? Cut on cnn, watch some pic's thats all you need.

No need to think at all. It's here big time in this first post.

That nipple at the end of a copy and paste. Well it's easy to

see where that came from.

Peejay spoke his mind. Thats ok hit the rest of of millions

with cnn. See how many nipples that gets the copy and paste.

Your polls are not us. Dont try to make it so

I do believe that must be whom the author of this silly article must have been surveying to get these ridiculous assumptions.

The sources are there for you check out yourself, peejay.

Na just ask the nipple. That puts all the effort in copy and paste from

(the source to be told what to think) right where it should be in the

trash. (sources are there for you check out). Nope sorry they are

for you to belive what they spit is the truth. Thats easy. Harder to

know what is real and a lie. Takes effort, takes a mind of your own.

Real people polls? Take a thousand anywhere you pick, don't forget

these polls are done in major citys, LA, NY..etc...

Thats pretty much what you pasted. Not a problem, a thousand

from a meaningless poll out of millions. Do the math.

It's your choice to belive what your told or think for yourself.

Pick a nipple or pick for yourself.

Thats a real messed up reply. Life in china is what? Its all about Guanxi? Tell us shoot whats that mean?

Since your damned well done why dont you write a book or something. No one needs your no-it-all mess.

No-it-alls we dont need, in fact you know nothing. Seems someone knows more than you. Well you go into

god mod. Keep your opinion to yourself leave to others for advice. No-one cares if you like the way they do it.

You put yourself in the spot your in. Eat your own dirt. And no life in China is not just that way.

Many more of use has lived in China much longer than you, and still do. That comment is

pointless at the least. You got a lot to learn.

sounds like a very unhappy fellow. wonder what his problem is, and why he is banging at the gates? could be he has some issues with people being happy and satisfied with their situation?

too bad about your taxes and your father in law. maybe when you're xian you'll swing on over to luoyang. i'll take you out for some pijou. my treat.

as far as the guanxi is concerned, move to luoyang, and you'll understand. guangzhou ain't china, buddy. guangzhou ain't nothing like china. no angry people here.

In fact China has been home much longer. You wish to add a father into this mix? You need first to understand just who your talking about. You should not have done that. Lei died at the age of 84. He served proudly in the air force and taught many american pilots chinese. When Mao took over he was one who resisted. The man spent 2 years in Mao's prison and his wife, his son, his daugter (my wife) had nothing. They couldn't even go to school because the other students knew thier dad went against Mao. He lost all he was during this time, his health, who he was. He was no more than a vegtable. Dont you dare even mention this man got it? What you said to push is what started this. And no Bubba we are all very happy. If someone comes off as a know it all, knows all there is about China. You should expect to find ones have lived there much longer than you.

Push is a good man he has helped 100's of people none of which you know about. Your the one (angry) not

being able to see just how a statement was made. Thats your problem. If you have a problem with a poster you pm them. Don't you dare bring up Xian!. Don't you dare even mention it! You don't like what I said you deal with me. You say you know China? You know we do not do that!!!!!! Buddy, do you understand now? The only search you need to do and comment on is me personaly. Your very welcome to .

Hi everyone,

I don't know what should I show as proof of our engagement, Is letter of intent would be sufficient?

We did not have any ceremony or have any pictures yet.

Thanks.

We went K3 but at the GZ consulate you never know.

Might get a person with a bad hair day. May not apply

to K1 but 6 trips to GZ made us overkill every thing

we did. From paperwork to a suitcase full of memories

of every kind. Overkill is your friend.

An ITIN is typically obtained at the same time as tax filing. Rin and I married in October 2006 and she received her visa and came to the USA in April 2007. I filed my 2006 return in April 2007 and had to include the form for the ITIN with it (submitted a paper return and had to send to a different address). By doing so, I could file "married filing jointly" even though Rin was not present in the USA a single day of 2006 (she had no foreign income, but would have had to include it if she had).

With regards to the SSN, Rin and the children did not get one until September 2008. I had waited to file AOS until we were relatively positive that the green cards would be after our 2nd anniversary (making them 10 yr gc's instead of 2 yrs). The only issue for us, was I delayed filing taxes this year until after they had SSNs because a SSN was necessary to get the tax rebate. Otherwise I would have filed this year with the ITIN again.

Questions:

Kirstein24 - When were you married? If in 2007, your husband could have filed "married filing jointly". If you had little or no foreign income this would have lowered your taxes or increased your refund. Also, you cannot be listed as a dependent. You are a spouse. Your husband's only filing options are "married filing jointly" or "married filing separately".

Rogerbhai - Yes you can get an ITIN for a spouse even if they do not reside in the USA. I did while waiting for Rin's K3 approval.

thanks you mentioned you filed your return in 2007 with ITIN application after Rin was in US.. that conflicts with your last statement "you can get an ITIN for a spouse even if they do not reside in the USA. I did while waiting for Rin's K3 approval." can you please clarify what you meant.. can I apply for my wifes ITIN now, or do I have to wait till I file taxes?

thanks

You can file for an ITIN without your spouse being present in the USA. You should be able to get one without filing taxes, but not sure why you would. It is only valid for federal tax purposes. More info can be found here:

http://www.irs.gov/pub/irs-pdf/fw7.pdf

Other than filing a federal return, I didn't need one. Your spouse will have to go to the embassy and have a copy of her passport certified/validated. When I went with Rin, they knew what I was talking about. I asked for them to notarize it and they gave me something else. Can't remember exactly what it was.

John

True your spouse can file for a ITIN any time of the year. But it might not be a good

idea. Not sure why you would should be stated it's not in your or your loved ones

interest to do so. You or she doe's not need this, if your situation is self employed,

take the standard deduction is all you claim. In our case wife has a ITIN. Has not been

able to work without a SSN. Had no income at all. As of one week ago we found through

H&R block and four hours on the phone with IRS. Some reason we got some kinda

marriage penalty.

I did find out the difference between using as the commercial says "i got people"

and tax software the same company sells. Those "people" might not even want to

find deductions you can take legally. That $69.95 software will without proof to

"i got people". In my HO for 3 years now. (yes we got the ITIN when wife was

still in China). Your case may be different but in ours the poster of the website

for ITIN's should call them before the post. As with uscis what you see on a website

may not be true.

Don't think a ITIN will get you anything but a number to pay fed taxes for

a job she or him don't have. Thats all its for. If you found a way around it

more power to you. It must have been software and not "people".

You can't rely on a website someone posts, he should know better.

Futhermore yes your spouse can apply for a ITIN while over seas.

But you need to know just what good it will do you. In our case and

many others no good at all. As with all things .gov you cannot take a page

pasted from anyone as absolute law. You have to find whats best for you.

A pasted website, do not for any reason rely on that.

Another says got a 5K refund. But didn't go into details. Maybe an audit

coming soon. Point is in this tax mess since your spouse is in another

country or he/she is here and has no income. We got burned.

That may cost you, in our case more than we could pay.

Advice we got last week from H&R block as well as "agent ))(&%^$

from the IRS was she is not a citizen, has no income at all. Continue

to claim head of household until she has an SSN and a Job.

No dis-respect to out of date IRS posters or 5k refunds.

Do not rely on any of them. Take the time to call them,

explain your situation, DO NOT rely on anything posted.

Last thing you want is the IRS down on you. You as well

as I are on a K visa. You dont keep this right by them

sit back and watch AOS go right out the window.

Hello.

My Chinese fiancee and I have been making good progress through the K-1 thus far, and my portion of her interview package was sent off last week. My fiancee has been working to arrange the documents she needs on her end. However, we do have a problem concerning her birth certificate.

She was born at home, and does not have a formal birth certificate. In order to obtain the certificate (or a valid alternative), she would need a document which is in her parent's possession, something akin to a household registration, if I understood properly.

Her parents, however, do not approve of our marrying, and are unlikely to help her. This is a problem we will need to face eventually, but we were hoping to simply go ahead with our plans, and work on gaining their approval/acceptance over time. We definitely do not want to give her parents leverage, especially a means to block the marriage completely.

My current advice to her is to work with the authorities in order to obtain the documents we need on her own. I'm not sure how China deals with individuals and families in their legal system. My fiancee is 26 years old, so I would assume she is capable of acting independently from her parents in the eyes of the law, but I cannot be certain.

Does anyone have any insight or advice which may be of help to us?

Regards,

Ben

My wife says she's going to need the family book. (Hu kou ben)

We had to do that also, found no other way around it.

Do go to a notary and have all her papers done in Chinese

and English. Its well worth the money and time. (All her papers).

I would like to say everytime I come to the China section I never see much action going on here. I am also a memebr of CFL. I am not planning on spending much time there until after my approval at NVC.

I am curious about once done at NVC what is next top happen. Because then it is up to my wife t o complete the remaining things left I know.

I am willing to listen to anyone that wants to start talking about this. We are all a team so let us get this dead horse moving again. I know there is e enough of us from China to start getting some more value here.

I agree. My experience hasn't been all that smooth. I filed my AOS through an attorney in late August, and got my bio taken a month later in Sept. RFE response letter (for more support for my sponsor's tax return) was sent just a few days ago, and now I am waiting to hear what's going to happen next. It has been frustrating dealing with the attorney... the case was handed down to one of his assistants who pretty much has no idea what's going on. Looking back, I wish I did homework and DIY instead of hiring someone else who I obviously still don't trust... My case is very straight-forward with nothing to explain, and no in-between gaps or anything, but now I am stuck dealing with the law office most of the time, to push my case forward. Well well well, that's my experience so far with the AOS.

Phillip2, sorry, I don't have anything to add to the NVC topic...

Linko9 is wifey from China also?

Hi hi hi! Yes, I am the wifey from China.

Ni Hao Ma!!!!!!!!!!!

I'm sorry I thought you were hubby.

Your wifey though right?

You guys are in New York?

We live in North Carolina.

Wifey is from Guangzhou we

have a home there near the Pearl

River. Where are you from?

Have you meet many chinese in

New York?. Wifey cant work legal

yet so far now she is teaching chinese

to a family from Korea here. Very sweet

family. They call wifey Aunt Jing and

call me Uncle Josey .

Hows your k visa going? We have had

many problems, just now able to file aos.

Ha, thanks!! I've actually lived in the States for quite a while (undergrad and grad school)... from Beijing originally. Hubby and I live in Manhattan, and it's a hectic place (lots of grumpy people, hahaha)... So yea I am currently on an H1B (working already), so just doing the AOS thing here, going GREEN from H1B through marriage (instead of through employment, which takes FOREVER)... My hubby taught English in China a few years ago, and absolutely LOVED the experience. I've never been to Guangzhou. Have you guys ever considered moving back to the Far East to live? :star:

Wow from BJ? Whats a H1B? Sounds like a shorter time frame is it? I agree with hubby I LOVED it there to. And yes we will be going back to live. Wifey paid off our home in gaungzhou before she came here. Its a long story but we didnt meet on some date site. Wifey wants to live and work here until we get older then go home to GZ. She is the boss so what she wants is what we will do. Did hubby teach in BJ?. I have had offers to teach english in China. Had offers to come to HK and the mainland in the field I know best. Wifey says no for now.

Our family is in Xian. Dad has been very sick for the last two years. We just found out he passed away. He was 84 and I loved him very much. We will be gone for a while. Wifeys family (my family) wants us to be there. Take care.Wish you and hubby all the best!!!!!!!!!!

Another sad ending. I am so sorry you had to go through all of that. I'm sorry but I can't offer you any advice as I really don't know. But I hope you find a closure to this mess and some peace.

Wishing you all the best.

Thank you!

Get your phone book out. Look for departments in your county that can help.

You can always call the sheriffs department or your local health department.

No idea what it would be in your state. Im sure there are many .orgs. .gov's

can help you. As far a divorce call the agency that deals with marrages.

Tell them whats going on they will help. You know immagration is another

problem. Wish I know more. Be though ok? Its money I know but you may

need to find a lawfirm to help with this. I wish could be more help.

hi people..i would like to ask some questions regarding ITIN. i got here in the US last July 9,2008 as a K3 Visa. we haven't started the process for AOS since its kinda expensive and really need to earn for it. my husband haven't updated his status or haven't declared me as his dependent on his tax file. should we go ahead and file an ITIN or just wait until i get an SSN? does the two have big difference? thanks! godbless!

ITIN is only good for filing taxes and usually for opening a bank account (depending on state and/or bank). You can not use it for work, starting a credit history or for identification. (for example)

thank you so much for the information

We just went through this. ITIN isn't worth the paper its wrote on.

State to state dont think makes any difference. Bank accounts

can be opened with your passport, depends on the bank.

Not trying to tell you guys to do something not legal but you

have no SSN yet right?. We found out two days ago if I filed

married (joint return) even though wifey cant work (yes she

has a ITIN also) I can't file head of household put it short

instead of a refund some reason I (we) had to pay.

If you have no SSN yet don't do a joint return. Let hubby

claim head of household until you have income. That ITIN

I got my wife thinking our taxes would be lower back fired.

We got a penalty for being married, even though she can't work.

Call it a marriage penalty.

I would like to say everytime I come to the China section I never see much action going on here. I am also a memebr of CFL. I am not planning on spending much time there until after my approval at NVC.

I am curious about once done at NVC what is next top happen. Because then it is up to my wife t o complete the remaining things left I know.

I am willing to listen to anyone that wants to start talking about this. We are all a team so let us get this dead horse moving again. I know there is e enough of us from China to start getting some more value here.

I agree. My experience hasn't been all that smooth. I filed my AOS through an attorney in late August, and got my bio taken a month later in Sept. RFE response letter (for more support for my sponsor's tax return) was sent just a few days ago, and now I am waiting to hear what's going to happen next. It has been frustrating dealing with the attorney... the case was handed down to one of his assistants who pretty much has no idea what's going on. Looking back, I wish I did homework and DIY instead of hiring someone else who I obviously still don't trust... My case is very straight-forward with nothing to explain, and no in-between gaps or anything, but now I am stuck dealing with the law office most of the time, to push my case forward. Well well well, that's my experience so far with the AOS.

Phillip2, sorry, I don't have anything to add to the NVC topic...

Linko9 is wifey from China also?

Hi hi hi! Yes, I am the wifey from China.

Ni Hao Ma!!!!!!!!!!!

I'm sorry I thought you were hubby.

Your wifey though right?

You guys are in New York?

We live in North Carolina.

Wifey is from Guangzhou we

have a home there near the Pearl

River. Where are you from?

Have you meet many chinese in

New York?. Wifey cant work legal

yet so far now she is teaching chinese

to a family from Korea here. Very sweet

family. They call wifey Aunt Jing and

call me Uncle Josey .

Hows your k visa going? We have had

many problems, just now able to file aos.

oh, come on now, fellas, everybody has to feel important, somehow, even if they get obnoxious doing it.

i don't need any doors, cause i'm damned well done, but i have a few of my own that may be of use to others. life in china is just that way. it's all about guanxi.

An obnoxious ####### is what you said you are in your 1st post.

You needed to be corrected. Been there done that you say.

Got news for you "noshooter" or maybe its "left of target".

You do not know it all, only your case. You cant speak for

no-one but you. And yes push was right. Get your story straight.

Make sure your words are right. You make it sound as if you are

the know-it-all.

i don't need any doors, cause i'm damned well done, but i have a few of my own that may be of use to others. life in china is just that way. it's all about guanxi.

Thats a real messed up reply. Life in china is what? Its all about Guanxi? Tell us shoot whats that mean?

Since your damned well done why dont you write a book or something. No one needs your no-it-all mess.

No-it-alls we dont need, in fact you know nothing. Seems someone knows more than you. Well you go into

god mod. Keep your opinion to yourself leave to others for advice. No-one cares if you like the way they do it.

You put yourself in the spot your in. Eat your own dirt. And no life in China is not just that way.

Many more of use has lived in China much longer than you, and still do. That comment is

pointless at the least. You got a lot to learn.

I would like to say everytime I come to the China section I never see much action going on here. I am also a memebr of CFL. I am not planning on spending much time there until after my approval at NVC.

I am curious about once done at NVC what is next top happen. Because then it is up to my wife t o complete the remaining things left I know.

I am willing to listen to anyone that wants to start talking about this. We are all a team so let us get this dead horse moving again. I know there is e enough of us from China to start getting some more value here.

I agree. My experience hasn't been all that smooth. I filed my AOS through an attorney in late August, and got my bio taken a month later in Sept. RFE response letter (for more support for my sponsor's tax return) was sent just a few days ago, and now I am waiting to hear what's going to happen next. It has been frustrating dealing with the attorney... the case was handed down to one of his assistants who pretty much has no idea what's going on. Looking back, I wish I did homework and DIY instead of hiring someone else who I obviously still don't trust... My case is very straight-forward with nothing to explain, and no in-between gaps or anything, but now I am stuck dealing with the law office most of the time, to push my case forward. Well well well, that's my experience so far with the AOS.

Phillip2, sorry, I don't have anything to add to the NVC topic...

Linko9 is wifey from China also?