Mykuls Merry Ann

Ho hum...yet more sweeping generalizations and prejudices unsupported by any facts.

The only education needed here is yours. I would encourage you, on your next visit to the Philippines, to spend less time sitting in bars. Instead, you could volunteer at an orphanage, or perform community service in a poor barangay. This would be educational indeed.

~ Tahoma

hahahahahaha, its always funny to me how you can see this as being wrong or offending. Why not just say you dont agree or think this is true? By trying to be sarcastic you are actually giving validity to the post itself....lol....thanks for that...lol

Are you trying to understimate Visayan ladies?For what reason?And how sure you are about Visayan ladies?

No, I am not trying to undermine Visayan women...but I have heard these differences more than once. I now I have also witnessed it.

So what is the purpose of creating a thread like this?

Well just noting the differences and the diversity of Philippine culture. Thre are many different types and we often put all filipinas in one bucket. But now I see that their is a big difference. Like I am being told mostly the girls in the clubs are Visayan.

I had a talk with some filipinas and I found out that most of the girls that you see in the bars working as bargirls are usually Visayan. I also now see what they mean. In fact while I was stationed and visit the Phiippines I noticed the U.S. bases are near more people who have Ilocano culture, and that you have to travel very far to Visayas. So most of the girls who leave the province and work as bar girls are usually from Visayas regions. Because Ilocano live so close and interact more with military and foreigners they are more likely to know the good and bad of western culture and how it affects pilipino culture.

It seems also true that most of the Visayan girls try to act like they have more class and culture than their Ilocano counterparts.

But what I see happening is that the Ilocana seems to know more about foreigners (especially military) and the Visayan do not see what they are getting themselves into dealing with American military and all the foreign men who visit the Philippines just to meet poor Asian women. So its probably that the Ilocana has seen the bad experiences that western culture brings to pilipino culture. And they know how some military and foreigners can be. So they are more likely to stay away and try to hold on to their pilipino cultural heritage. But this education is not as good or as strong for the Visayan women. They are more likely to think that meeting an American or a foreigner is a dream lifestyle. Education is needed here.

Which is probably why more Visayan are working in clubs in higher numbers.

Hello Vj members,

Just wanna make sure about this issue. My kids are using the father's name eventhough we were never married legally. We are on the process of getting them through I-130.

My question is:

1.-Do i need to find the father to get his permission to allow my kids to travel and live with me? I mean do i need an affidavit from him giving me the kid's full custody when my kids are with me?I don't even know if he is still alive..how can i get an affidavit from him? .He don't have signature on the kid's Birth certificate but kids are using his name..No contact, no support no nothing.

2.-DOes he have the right to my kids the fact that we were not married? and no signature on the Birth Certificate?

Pls. Help me. I would appreciate any ideas.

Answer:

1. No you do not need permission from the biological father even he is in the birth certificate of your kids. Requirements for minors travelling abroad is one biological parent and birth certificate of the kids. No DSWD clearance needed either.

2. I do not know if the biological father has rights when your kids are out of the country. I have been doing some reading that you might have problems when your husband adopts your kids. I just want my daughter for her last name to be changed to her stepdad, my husband . When she gets her citizenship, my husband and I planning to legally change her last name so the biological father will not have to be involve.

Well lets be clear, if your kids already have a passport, then they are clear to travel. If you are in the process of getting passports for them then you need to know that if they are under 16, then both parents have to agree for them to travel. I just went through this. in the last 7 yrs.

See this website:

http://manila.usembassy.gov/wwwh3004.html

Quote of the Day on Google today:

The truth is always a compound of two half- truths, and you never reach it, because there is always something more to say.

- Tom Stoppard

Why does it sometimes feel that everyone is in a bucket? That people dont actually read things from a full spectrum, that they think that it has to fir their own world?

ALL OPiNIONS, STATEMENTS, ASSERTIONS, AFFIRMATIONS, ARGUEMENTS ....THEY CAN ALWAYS BE CATEGORIZED AS GENERALITIES!!!!!

EVER LAW IS ONLY A THEORY THAT HAS BEEN AGREED UPON NY TWO OR MORE HUMANS THAT IT IS NOW FACT!

THERE IS NO TRUE LAW!!!

We cannot talk or speak to each other if people cannot make any point without a person coming along and exposing the only obvious point that everyone already knows.

A banana is yellow and makes you healthy and provides you Vitamin K....but we all know that not every banana is yellow....isnt it obvious to any common sense person that the sender of the information is only talking about ripe, edible bananas? For what reason would anyone waste there breath to come out and say hey "That banana over there is green, therefore you make no sense because I see a green banana?

This means there is always going to be room for argument, debate, and lots of room for disproving....and it also means that their is going to confusion, loss of the point being made, and time wasted.

YOu have to be able to intelligently read a persons point using empathetic senses to change your own reality to someone elses, or some others groups reality. It cannot and does not have to be your own reality.

It may not be your reality, but it does not mean it does not exist....

Now if you are just looking to take the high road and prove that you are in a better state or worst state (victim thinkers), and your world doesnt exist like someone else, then move on!!! You are not ready for this kind of content.

THEORY OF RELATIVITY!!!!!

We are all wrong, and we are all right!!!

So the only way we can have clear communication with understanding is to use our empathetic senses. If you have not matured enough to use these senses, then you should not be posting on messageboards. PERIOD!!!!

The OP made some good points and it fits "some" but not "all"!

So if it dont fit you, then why waste the cyberspace?

Or is it your ego speaking to you because this thread provides you an opportunity to be that one crab in the bucket to pull the other crab down below you, so you can look like you "Got the perfect girl" "YOu are more of a man than the other guy" "that your life is not full of problems" or that you can show your wife now how much of a gentleman you are , and how much you love her.....But do you not see that its not necessary to tear one man down in order for you to mate with the female? In our modern complex world, in there are enough females for all of us to have access to some of it...you have complete free access with little competition from other males to mate with your woman? We dont have to do that anymore guys!!!!!!

and to be honest, what angers me the most, is that is usually mostly men who do this...They are always trying to prove that they got the longest ding dong, or the biggest wallet, or the most sensitivity for women, children, pets etc...lol

Goodness!

The more we say we are civilized, the more I have to ask the question....Are we sure?

My Rant for Today!!!!

whew!!!!!

I thought that buying tickets online was the most popular way nowadays. I have been buying airline tickets online for years now. I cant remember a time i actually went to an airport and bought a ticket like in the movies....lol.

Bottom line it is very safe, if you think about all an airline ticket is, is a confirmation# that you paid, and all th other info that sits behind that confirmation# is all they need to verify you, and know what your seating information is. I mean they just pull up that # and they got all they need. In fact would suggest airlines such as Hawaiin and PAL start allowing attachments to be added to those e-tickets so that passengers dont have that problem when getting to the airport.

Buy an e-ticket, but my other advice is that you should buy her ticket in the Philippines. Because you will get a tickets so much cheaper. I am going over to get my Marian, and we found some good tickets.

Economy is BAD everywhere now....and it will get worst for the next 3 to 4 years...

If there is not a little bit of love, marrying to escape poverty may not be a great option anymore...

Why would it get worse?

We finally got rid of the moron who caused all of this...

It is called the SNOWBALL going down the hill effect.....it will become an avalanche...

As more people loose their jobs, they will spending less money,

spending less money may in turn requires business to lay off more people or go into bankruptcy.. and the cycle continues.

I agree with your last statement....but it took eight years to get rid of it.....

Are we that stupid ????? (If we are....then we are getting what we deserve!!!!)

No it will not get worse, its just that the solution takes time to get the American economy back going again.

Obama is not the solution, he will be the ultimate fall guy in this. i.e. Jimmy Carter

I saw this article in GMANEWS online.The Philippine government is to blame why it is happening.The filipinas should not be judge if they choose to marry foreigners because that's their choice and a lot of filipino men have no jobs anyway because the government is not doing what they are supposed to be doing like providing jobs,most of the politicians were corrupt even those who work at the barangays were already doing corruptions. I have worked as an ofw before I met my husband and it was love that brought us together.I can choose a filipino man If i wanted to but its my choice and its my destiny I believed.

I think the answer here is the get Filipino men jobs, not making filipina women desperate to marry men from other countries. That would be dangerous.

I am just wondering why SLEC getting the passport. My fiance kinda want to be cautious and asking why they will need my passport.

Any reasons?

Thanks!

Actually I was asking the same question and now I know the answer. We recieved our visa last week and Marian told me that she does have a stamp inside her passport from SLEC stating that she passed her medical exam. So its my guess that they take the passport and then all of the medical papers and passport go for a final approval and stamp, and so that stamp cannot be duplicated it is then forwarded by SLEC to the USEM. So its a check and balancing system. The USEM can then know the stamp is real.

But very good question!

Uhhhmmmmm...do I need to be the first person here to say that this is FRAUD?

We got it!

Hey we got the same text yesterday, so we should be getting our visa within hours....

I can honestly say that Air21 is a very good and professional delivery service within the Philippines. We got regular text messages from them letting us know that our visa was on its way. And its only been 6 working days since my fiancee left the USEM knowing our visa would be sent. And she lives up in northern Pangasinan. So that is far from Manila, and its still got there in 6 business days.

Just for some info, we had to go back and provide some extra documents, so we did not get a tracking# but the embassy did tell us that the visa would be there in 5-10 business days, and they were correct. But you dont get a pink slip if you have to come back and return with more documents. That is the only difference.

granted...the 18,000 profiles may have duplicates or triplicates...so we can't rely on that....but the numbers mentioned in the article has credibility...and those numbers don't lie. the increase is alarming...i agree with bullwinkle.

not one filipina here in VJ would ever admit to have married a USC for economic reason, albeit not the only reason but a major one...and not one USC will ever say that their Filipina wife married them for that.

Exactly! I dont expect anyone to come out and actually say it, and some actually dont see it either.

i guess you and i are the only guys on here who can admit that our wives actually thought about their economic future before marrying us, and that it's quite the reasonable thing to do.

sure, it's part of the package, but hopefully not the primary concern.

Exactly, and we ahve talked about it more than once in our relationship. She has admitted that she likes the idea of coming to America. And that she gains a much better lifestyle by marry me. Also she married someone of her own culture, and never thought she would be with a man from another country. Look I am not stupid to think that there are some things that my wife gains just by marrying me. I realized a long time ago that in the PI there is a huge push for women to want to come to the U.S. and this often hurts the chances of men who are looking for women in the PI who want a true mate, not just a GC, or a ticket to a better life. So my fiancee and I have talked on this in the last 3 yrs quite a bit. Not just with her, but with her family as well. But the one thing that I have to say, is my wife and I are notfar apart in age. She sees herself as a woman, not as a girl. Also she was married before like myself. We both married someone from our own race. Also we have had similar past struggles as well.

We have both committed to work as hard as it takes to make our marriage work. We never expect it to be easy. We already know there will good and bad days mixed up. We already have had a few arguements, disagreements, but we have also stood by each other as well in things we agree with too. We are becoming a strong team. We have a good woman and man relationship with her being the feminine and me being the masculine. We are equal only in that sense. We dont play father and daughter, and I dont go our and place Santa Claus too much. I spoil her with romance, but we both understand that we are adults who need to be responsible and held accountable to our roles in the our family. I need her in a big way. She needs me as well. If we do it right, our family will be solid.

foreign men usually at least 40 years older???

Is this really true???

These foreign men also usually are at least 40 years older than their Filipino brides.

And I thought I was an old geezer

Me to

this is in reference to east asian men, primarily to japanese.

incidentally, phils girls who go to japan as "entertainers" usually wind up as prostitutes, no matter how well they sing and what they are promised.

From what i know the "entertainer" is nothing more than a bargirl. Japan has enough musical talent in that country to supply the world. You think they need to go to the Philippines to get musical entertainers....that is joke! :lol:

I just checked for 18 year old girls from the Philippines, and there was 18,000 profiles, compared to a few hundred for men in my age group, 41-50 at the time.

--Bullwinkle

That's just one web site, there are many sites hooking up men around the world with beautiful, young Filipinas

What would a 50 year old man have in common with an 18 year old? Physical attraction is very important but you also need to have common interests & goals. As I see it physical attraction & a healthy sex life are the glue that holds a relationship together, but if that's all you have then it's just one big sticky glob of glue!

Grandpa likes to hand out money to his grandbaby...Its a weird relationship, but its more like a father daughter relationship...or a grandfather and his grandaughter.

Grandpa like to send his grandbaby to the candy store...the money flows more easily out of an old mans hands, and the young girls is more open to go out and spend at will with not alot care of how much to spend. Grandpa feels good handing the money over, and the grandchild enjoys going out spending like a child. I see it alot here in California.

Older men are much more laid back, easy going. Young women like that.

I don't think many American men realize the numbers. And the numbers are getting more desperate. Not for the Kanos, but for the young Pinay. I was curious, after my bride "found me" on PenPalNet.com, how many Filipino women were looking to contact American men. So, I just checked for 18 year old girls from the Philippines, and there was 18,000 profiles, compared to a few hundred for men in my age group, 41-50 at the time. That was over two years ago. Numbers don't lie and there is desperation there. That all of us on VJ found true love is either a miracle, or a testament to the determination of the ladies of the Philippines.

So, let's not kid ourselves!

--Bullwinkle

granted...the 18,000 profiles may have duplicates or triplicates...so we can't rely on that....but the numbers mentioned in the article has credibility...and those numbers don't lie. the increase is alarming...i agree with bullwinkle.

not one filipina here in VJ would ever admit to have married a USC for economic reason, albeit not the only reason but a major one...and not one USC will ever say that their Filipina wife married them for that.

Exactly! I dont expect anyone to come out and actually say it, and some actually dont see it either.

a result of Japan reducing its official demand for entertainers, " ADB

said.

In 2005 Japan has imposed a stricter immigration policy following

Tokyo's inclusion in a US watchlist of high incidence of human

smuggling.

ADB said Manila should undertake measures to protect Filipino women as

those who marry foreigners that they do not know face enormous risks.

I completely agree with this statement made in the article.

Hey I am not saying that you dont love your spouse or your soon to be husband. But the trend is clear, there are many filipina women who are marrying foreign men. Its not anything new here. I mean its hard to say if you are from the country that a good filipino man has never crossed your path though, ya think?

The trend is there for everyone to see, and no one can deny it. I am not blaming anyone here, but we all know that if the conditions were alot better inside the Philippines itself we would not see high numbers of filipina women marry foreign men.

The other thing about this, is that we dont see high numbers of these marriages that stay there in the Philippines. We always see the filipina leaving going off to U.S., Japan, Australia, Britain etc...

I mean I am not saying that the marriages are not true love but there is a clear spark here that facilitates the high numbers here. I mean its the same reason that these men go looking abroad for women in 3rd world countries. Its just truth. Its hard truth, but it is what it is.

And to be honest, the protection for filipinas is the most important thing here. The choice is not clear to all because many are dreaming for a life in the United States. Many (not all) are not making good conscious choices in the mate they find. Which raises the idea. The article did make another point that alot of the men who go looking for wives abroad usually have some issues as to why they cant find a woman in their own country. I mean that in itself can be a red flag.

If we truly want to protect these women who are making these bad choices, I think its best that we start looking closer at the intangibles it takes to marry someone from a foreign country. (And yes I would say that the rules need to more stringent for the Philippines.

Like I said, there is a marriage crisis in the country itself. At what point do we ask the question is this good for the Philippines as a whole.

i find this article offensive being a USC married to a Filipina. My wife is highly educated and has no problem supporting her family with her income but because she chose a foreigner to marry she should be branded as some kind of pathetic soul. that is so wrong. The fact of the matter is the Philippine Government is mostly to Blame for this situation, if they focused more on eliminating the corruption running rampant in their government and less time on pushing issues like this, maybe Filipinos would have more options to remain in the Philippines and the whole social structure could improve. As far as the domestic violence for Filipinos abroad goes there are far more instances of abuse coming from employers of " helpers" and entertainers than from abuses by foreign spouses and it is offensive for this type of article to state it so unfairly.

But with all honesty, not many Japanese women are marrying foreigners at the same rate as most filpina women. Or any other country in the world. Most of us have to know that the women we marry are seeking some kind of better life when they come to the western world. We cant be nainve to think that there is not a large number of filipina who have a career, but still seek to marry a foreigner.

Its honest to say that if the unemployment rate there was not so bad, that many filipina woman would not be meeting their destiny mates in other countries. I mean if you look at the marriage crisis in the country itself, you have to see that there is something wrong here.

Why cant filipinos marry each other? I mean i know that so many of us think our mate is destiny, but all of us (especially men) like the idea of being able to bring these women to the U.S. and give them a better life. But in many ways it seems to be a slap in the face to the millions of filipino men who are also unemployed but they cant find mates, because they dont have sufficient income to provide for a family.

I was happy to find out the my soon to be wife was married to a filipino man before her and I met. He passed away some years ago. She was not looking for marriage to a foreigner. I respect her because at least she married a man from her own culture first. But all too often, the filipina women are completely overlooking a filipino man altogether. Leaving many of the men in the Philippines without wives, and without any stability.

My wife's father gave me the blessing to marry his daughter. She is older now, but I went to her whole family and told them that we wanted to be married. They thought is was good for both of us. WE have similar values. But in no way do I want to send the message to the men of the Philippines that I am stealing their women. All too often we overlook them. We dont see that women are going to always seek the man with the most assets, capital, money etc...Its been this way for millions of years between men and women. So lets not play like our wives want us for destiny and love. Because if filipino men had the access to a life like Japanese men do, the majority of filipina women would be marrying men of their own culture.

We have to look back...the high numbers of women seeking foreign husbands is really taking apart one of the valuable cultures on the planet.

I agree with the part of the article that says that there needs to be a real life choice for these women to seek foreign husbands. That so many of them are trying to leave a country becuase they see what they can get here in the United States. Like i tell my filipino extended family there, I tell them frankly "stay in the Philippines" let us help you make a better life there. Dont worry about coming here. Stay there and we will try and help you have a better life there, where you can stay in your own culture, and eat your own food, and marry someone that is of your own culture. My soon to be wife and I talk about this alot. She agrees. She loves me, but it is our hope that our neices dont get ants in their pants to go looking for a husband in America.

So we have to help them create opportunities there.

Its odd though, I talk to mexicans all over the United States and everyone of them will tell you that if they could make the money they make in America in Mexico they would never come here or stay here.

Most people want to be in their own country with their own type people. Nothing wrong with that.

The unemployment rate for men inside the Philippines is higher than that of the women. More women have more options to work abroad as maids, and entertainers etc. That is why there is more women working abroad than men.

The women in the philippines have more options open to them than the men both inside and out. Now I went back to 1997, and it shows that the male unemployment rate is increasing faster than the women. More women have jobs in the Philippines than men. Also the women have the option, because their carry the goods, to go marry abroad. Older men looking for wives opens another door for young naive filipina women to leave the country.

The article is bias, and makes it seem like the women are suffering more than the men. Filipino men are suffering the most here.

They are losing money, and that is all they are worried about. They are not really trying to protect anyone here. I was talking with my Ann and she called CFO and told there is a fee for the sticker (P400), and a fee for the certificate (P400), and a fee for the seminar (P250). I could not understand why they have to have a certificate and a sticker here...but its not much so....

But it seems the Philippines government needs to make as much money as they can on those fiancee that are leaving the country. The fraudulent stickers and certificates must be really hurting them now. They can easily detect this if they needed to.

Yes I could see this as a red flag also. I know its probably not your case, and that plenty of people meet through family members. But because the Philippines is such a high fraud country, the red flags go up when someone says they met through family. It could mean that a family member is trying to bring other family members to the U.S. not for the sake of marriage, but to just get them to the U.S.

So they might look into the family members who introduced the both of you, and then they will see if this family shows up in other cases as well.

I mean I know you think your relationship is real. But I would also talk with those you met her through to make sure they have not done this before, or if they have other family members here in the United States that they did some matchmaking for.

But I dont think this is your case, or your fiancee would of not said what she said. They would probably already know and tell you not to say such a thing. So I think you are fine.