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I looked for the answer to this question but only managed to find someone asking it in another thread but it didn't seem to be answered so I would be really grateful if you could help me out.
We are stationed abroad and I want to know which address do I use for the home address. We still have our house in the US so would it be that or our address here abroad?
Thanks for your help on this one.
There are applicants have used both. The problem with the foreign address is the delay. You are likely to receive your interview letter with only 5-6 weeks notice in the States....if mail is slow to an overseas destination, you might have to book an international flight on short notice....not the cheapest proposition.
But either works fine from the stories i have heard. We used our home address in the states, and had my parents open it and scan it to us.
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Thanks guys.
I called them and they said they still had my old address on record. DOS had the new one and my lawyers have an email from London on 2nd jan saying the new address had been noted. The day it was supposed to have gone out. Called the guy who lives at my old house and he has seen nothing. I confirmed the address change by e-mail and asked them to re-issue to my new address anyway..hopefully one should turn up soon..talk about frustrating ..especially as everything was going so smoothly. Hopefully i wont have to wait FOREVER for an interview date... did anyone get a date yet in the last few weeks..if so what kind of wait time are we looking at right now?
Cheers.
It has been a while since i went through this, but i seem to remember that you can call DOS in DC and get your LND number. With this you can fill out all the paper work (which you can get from VJers....and go ahead and send it in!
A bit risky maybe, but worth considering. We waited til mine arrived, but then again, we didn't know for sure that it was sent weeks ago!!!
Good luck. The majority of the waiting is over.
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Filed in late Oct, interview in early February. Almost 4 four months.
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HI, I am a US citizen and I had my daughter in a foreign country two years ago. I was married when the child was born (and I still am). I had been living in that country for over 10 years. Since then my husband and I have moved to the U.S. He has a green card. What process do I need to do to get our daughter her citizenship? on the goverment web site it looks easy, but that is only if I had been in the USA recently. Please point me in the right diretion!
There are two questions you don't answer: Where is your daughter now, and was she a citizen when she was born?
If you, the US Citizen parent, spent more than five years actually inside the US before she was born, and more than two of those years were after your 14th birthday, then your daughter is a US Citizen no matter where she was born. See INA 301(g). To get proof of her US Citizenship, you can either apply for a passport for her (see travel.state.gov for instructions on how to get a passport), or file an N-600 with the USCIS to get her a certificate of citizenship, or file a consular report of birth abroad with the consulate serving the area where she was born. It may be too late for the consular report of birth abroad, and that's probably inconvenient if you're already in the US anyway. Regardless of the document you apply for, they'll want evidence of when and where she was born, evidence that you are her parent, evidence that you are a US Citizen, and evidence that you have spent the required time inside the US before she was born.
If she was not a US Citizen at the time of her birth (if you hadn't spent much time in the US before she was born) then, per INA 320, she'll automatically become a citizen once all three of the following things happen:
(1) At least one parent of the child is a citizen of the United States, whether by birth or naturalization. (you already meet this one)
(2) The child is under the age of eighteen years. (the child meets this one)
(3) The child is residing in the United States in the legal and physical custody of the citizen parent pursuant to a lawful admission for permanent residence.
That last requirement means the child has to live with you in the US and have a green card. That is, the child should come in on an immigrant visa, or should be eligible to adjust status. Depending on where the child is now, or whether the child has come into the US without documentation, this part may be easy or hard.
Once all three of those factors are true, you can file an N-600 application for certificate of citizenship for your child.
Wow. This, ladies and gentlemen, is why VJ is the bomb. lucyrich, this is an amazingly thorough and detailed response. I have no idea what we would do without this board!
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Ha, would be nice if they would just let the husband and wife go in a say a short oath that they are married and living together rather than that huge stack of evidence. Even the president only has to say a short oath to defend the Constitution of the United States, now that is one case where he should supply a really huge stack of evidence.
Hey NickD, that's because paperwork can be kept for their cover-their-aXX, but taking verbal oath doesn't.
For OP's question, in most case, NO.
Very few cases were asked whether spouse was there or not.
But in most cases, it is recommended for showing support for your honey.
Sitting alone in waiting area for how long only God knows with frustration ?
You better be there!
Once-in-a-life moment for your spouse!
Exactly! Making my wife learn that the US has "market economy" and George Washington is the "father of our country" is bad enough. Being there is a must.
That said, there was one woman who had to call her husband out of work to show his face! You never know when they will want to do separate interviews to validate all the information. The London embassy was very smooth about getting me to talk at length, taking detailed notes, and then having my wife confirm the details. We would have to have been very good con artists to be prepared to say that there were 106 attendees at our wedding!
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Well i'm happy to say i'm a Citizen. There have been many changes in my life, getting my citizenship, i have to admit has been one of the best. On thursday I took my oath. It took me a long time to gather my courage to go before the USCIS and have them review my life, then judge me to see if i'm qualified to be a Citizen. I am transgendred. I have faced a lot of prejudice, and there has not been a lack of people to let me know what they think of me and my lifestyle. I had put off applying for citizenship for a long time, because of fear that USCIS might judge me the way a lot of people have.
When I went for my interview I was so that i would be rejected, but that was not the case. The officer that interviewed was great. She never made me feel like I had six heads or came from another planet. I was able to get my name changed to. I know this must seem trivial to a lot of people , but being transgendred in most other countries is really a horrible way to live.
I guess what i'm trying to say is that there are really nice people working for USCIS............
Felicidades. It makes me so happy to know that you had a good experience with US govt officials. Also congrats for having the courage to go before them and tell your story. I'm sure that was difficult, but courage in the face of adversity is something we all could use a bit more of!
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Our Senator's office contacted us today. They spoke to the director of our local USCIS office and they offered to bump up my wife's interview to the 15th! (it was the 26th) USCIS also said they "hope to hold a same day interview." I'm assuming "hope" means it can be done if she's approved. The interview is at 9:15AM so hopefully we won't have to sit and watch horrible soap operas for hours like usual...
Was that hard to do re: the Senator's office thing and changing the interview? Our interview is on the 12th, but I would really like for it to be the week before or after. I don't want to risk losing the appointment altogether however!!! Probably better to just leave things as they are and not push our luck!
We had an unexpected 2 month delay at the beginning which affected my work overseas. That was the basis of their decision but it was very easy to get help from my Senator's office. They were great! If you don't have to change it by a week, I wouldn't mess with it personally.
Good advice! And congrats.
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Our Senator's office contacted us today. They spoke to the director of our local USCIS office and they offered to bump up my wife's interview to the 15th! (it was the 26th) USCIS also said they "hope to hold a same day interview." I'm assuming "hope" means it can be done if she's approved. The interview is at 9:15AM so hopefully we won't have to sit and watch horrible soap operas for hours like usual...
Was that hard to do re: the Senator's office thing and changing the interview? Our interview is on the 12th, but I would really like for it to be the week before or after. I don't want to risk losing the appointment altogether however!!! Probably better to just leave things as they are and not push our luck!
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IkinNJ's update is not on the list(interview date)
Thanks Thomas and Milena for helping to update the table!!
Exactly. Looks like IkinNJ only told us that their interview was in February....no other data.
My pleasure....It's fun to see the list, and will especially be helpful to hear reviews of interviews in the lead up to our 12 February day. Nervous, but I'm sure all will be fine.
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UserName........ Sent...........NOA1.......Biometrics....Int letter rec.....Interview.....Oath.........Office
kaino.......................................................12/31/08.........2/09/09
pdxBoof.........09/29/08......10/13/08......11/07/08........12/07/08.........1/27/09..................NSC/Portland
mnbinth.........08/28/08......10/29/08......11/20/08........12/09/08.........1/26/09..................NSC/Des Moines
Ze Maria........10/07/08......10/25/08......11/21/08........12/08/08.........1/29/09..................VSC/Baltimore
Chelsea.........10/07/08......10/22/08......11/28/08........12/08/08.........1/26/09..................TSC
Avvypudge.......10/10/08......10/30/08......11/21/08........1/2/09...........2/18/09..................VSC/Newark
bgbirl..........10/10/08......10/20/08......11/13/08..................................................CSC (NBC transfer)/
thea............10/11/08......10/24/08......11/28/08..................................................VSC (NBC transfer)/Washington DC
stiglet.........10/14/08......10/30/08......11/19/08........11/28/08.........12/29/08.................VSC/Manchester
TX101...........10/15/08......10/24/08......11/03/08..................................................TSC/Texas
AJ .............10/15/08......10/30/08......12/09/08........12/27/08.........2/18/09..................VSC (Newark/NBC transfer)
zhz.............10/17/08......10/31/08......11/21/08........12/26/08.........2/09/09..................TSC/Atlanta
tyme............10/20/08......11/03/08................................................................TSC/Charlotte/Durham
ikinNJ..........10/21/08......10/31/08................................................................VSC (NBC transfer)
Dima............10/23/08......11/07/08......11/21/08........12/17/08.........1/29/08..................NSC/Indianapolis
T and..M........10/23/08......11/03/08......xx/xx/08........12/26/08.........2/12/09..................TSC (NBC transfer)/Atlanta
tmman...........10/23/08......11/12/08......11/29/08..................................................TSC/Memphis
drs.............10/23/08......11/07/08......11/20/08........12/27/08.........2/09/09..................NSC/Cincinnati
kokobearus......10/27/08......11/01/08......12/03/08........12/27/08.........2/18/09..................VSC/Baltimore
oldahmed........10/27/08......10/31/08......12/06/08..................................................VSC/Washington DC
Virginian.......10/31/08......11/04/08......11/28/08..................................................VSC/Norfolk
Congrats avvypudge!
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i have a question, i sent my n400 to tsc, i got the now and bio letters, from missouri NBC, what does that mean..? is that a common thing ? is it gonna make any change on the application process?
i see some folks that applied in november and they have already got their interview letters?????????
thanks guys
the NBC is a way they have tried to speed things up. A lot of us got transferred there. It doesn't mean anything different at all.
Yeah, November seems to be going quickly. It changes so much month to month.
Good luck! Now that the holidays are over, hopefully you'll get a letter quickly.
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UserName........ Sent...........NOA1.......Biometrics....Int letter rec.....Interview.....Oath.........Office
kaino.......................................................12/31/08.........2/09/09
pdxBoof.........09/29/08......10/13/08......11/07/08........12/07/08.........1/27/09..................NSC/Portland
mnbinth.........08/28/08......10/29/08......11/20/08........12/09/08.........1/26/09..................NSC/Des Moines
Ze Maria........10/07/08......10/25/08......11/21/08........12/08/08.........1/29/09..................VSC/Baltimore
Chelsea.........10/07/08......10/22/08......11/28/08........12/08/08.........1/26/09..................TSC
Avvypudge.......10/10/08......10/30/08......11/21/08..................................................VSC/Newark
bgbirl..........10/10/08......10/20/08......11/13/08..................................................CSC (NBC transfer)/
thea............10/11/08......10/24/08......11/28/08..................................................VSC (NBC transfer)/Washington DC
stiglet.........10/14/08......10/30/08......11/19/08........11/28/08.........12/29/08.................VSC/Manchester
TX101...........10/15/08......10/24/08......11/03/08..................................................TSC/Texas
AJ .............10/15/08......10/30/08......12/09/08........12/27/08.........2/18/09..................VSC (Newark/NBC transfer)
zhz.............10/17/08......10/31/08......11/21/08........12/26/08.........2/09/09..................TSC/Atlanta
tyme............10/20/08......11/03/08................................................................TSC/Charlotte/Durham
ikinNJ..........10/21/08......10/31/08................................................................VSC (NBC transfer)
Dima............10/23/08......11/07/08......11/21/08........12/17/08.........1/29/08..................NSC/Indianapolis
T and..M........10/23/08......11/03/08......xx/xx/08........12/26/08.........2/12/09..................TSC (NBC transfer)/Atlanta
tmman...........10/23/08......11/12/08......11/29/08..................................................TSC/Memphis
drs.............10/23/08......11/07/08......11/20/08........12/27/08.........2/09/09..................NSC/Cincinnati
kokobearus......10/27/08......11/01/08......12/03/08........12/27/08.........2/18/09..................VSC/Baltimore
oldahmed........10/27/08......10/31/08......12/06/08..................................................VSC/Washington DC
Virginian.......10/31/08......11/04/08......11/28/08..................................................VSC/Norfolk
Welcome stiglet, and congratulations on your wife's interview! Our first approval!!!!!!!!
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tyme i dont know how to add to list =have checked every where -please give instructions
I can add you to the list if you provide the following details:
Filing date (date you sent off your N-400)
NOA1 (date you received confirmation that USCIS had received your N-400)
Biometrics date (date you did fingerprints)
Interview notice (date you received the letter providing you with the date of your interview)
Interview date
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By Wallace Shawn, The Nation.
Jews, historically, have been irrationally feared, hated and killed. Given that background, it's not surprising that the irrationality which surrounded them for so long, the fire of irrationality in which they were almost extinguished, has jumped across and taken hold of the soul of many Jews and indeed dominates the thinking of today's Israeli leaders and their American supporters.
Recent history shows that the Jews, as a people, have found few friends who are honest and true. During World War II, when Hitler's anti-Semitism was responsible for the murdering of the millions of Jews, the world and the United States expressed their own anti-Semitism by refusing to house and welcome the tortured race, preferring instead to let it be exterminated if need be. After the war, the world felt it owed the Jews something -- but then showed its lack of true regard for the tormented group by "giving" them a piece of land populated and surrounded by another people -- an act of European imperialism carried out exactly at the moment when non-European peoples all over the world were finally concluding that European imperialism was completely unacceptable and had to be resisted. And now we have the spectacle of American politicians encouraging and financing Israeli policies which will ultimately lead to more disaster and destruction for Jews.
It is not rational to believe that the Palestinians in the occupied territories will be terrorized by force and violence, by cruelty, by starvation or by slaughter into a docile acceptance of the Israeli occupation. There is no evidence that that could possibly happen and mountains of evidence to the contrary.
Many right-wing Israelis and American Jews clearly believe that Jews have always had enemies and always will have enemies -- and who can be shocked that certain Jews might think that? To these individuals, a Palestinian throwing stones at an Israeli soldier, even if his life has perhaps been destroyed by the Israeli occupation, is simply part of an eternal mob of anti-Semites, a mob made up principally of people to whom the Jews have done no harm at all, as they did no harm to Hitler. The logical consequence of this view of the world is that in the face of such massive and eternal opposition, Jews are morally justified in taking any measures they can think of to protect themselves. They are involved in one long eternal war, and a few hundred Palestinians killed today must be measured against many millions of Jews who were killed in the past. The agony the Israelis might inflict on a Palestinian family today must be seen in the perspective of Jewish families in agony all over the world in the past.
It is irrational for the Israeli leaders to imagine that the Palestinians will understand this particular point of view -- will understand why Jews might find it appropriate, let us say, to retaliate for the death of one Jew by killing a hundred Palestinians. If a Palestinian killed a hundred Jews to retaliate for the killing of one Palestinian -- for that matter, if a Thai killed a hundred Cambodians to retaliate for the killing of one Thai -- which, from the point of view of the Israeli leaders, would of course be unjust, that would be racist, as if one Palestinian or one Thai were worth a hundred Israelis or a hundred Cambodians. But if a Jew does it, it's not unjust and it's not racist, because it's part of an eternal struggle in which the Jews have lost and lost and lost -- they've already lost more people than there are Palestinians. Well, it's not surprising that certain Jews would feel this way, but no Palestinian will ever share that feeling or be willing to accept it. What the Palestinians see is an implacable and heartless enemy, one that considers itself un-bound by any rules or principles, an enemy that can't be reasoned with but can only be feared, hated and, if possible, killed.
As poor and oppressed people around the world are very well aware of the events in the occupied territories, and as they strongly identify with the Palestinian struggle and point of view, the future of the Jews looks increasingly dim.
Consequently it is disgraceful and vile and no favor to the Jews for American politicians -- for narrow, short-term political advantage, for narrow, short-term global-strategic reasons and, yes, also in expiation of the residual guilt they feel over what happened to the Jews in the past -- to pander to the irrationality of the most irrational Jews.
Actions based on irrational premises inevitably fail in their purposes -- they fail, and if the premises don't change, then the actions are inevitably repeated, in forms which are more and more grotesque. It is unbearable to think that the new American administration would begin with more American dollars being poured into what is unjustifiable. It is also unbearable to think that among the first words we would hear from our new, clearly rational president would be preposterous sentences trying to persuade us that Israeli policies which seem to be appalling are actually quite normal and acceptable. Certainly nothing our new president could do would be of greater value to the world -- and greater value to the Jews -- than to abruptly end the sickeningly patronizing habit of supporting an irrationality which was born in tragedy and will end in more tragedy.
Wallace Shawn is the author of The Designated Mourner and Four Plays (Farrar, Straus & Giroux).
http://www.alternet.org/rights/116386/isra...hem_as_normal_/
Interesting article. But you could also argue that Israeli actions have been supremely rational as they have permitted them to control the lives of an entire people - without even so much as allowing them the right to vote - for the past 41 years. Their violent actions have also permitted them to maintain control over all the territory they won from the Arabs in 1948 and 1967, and they have never had to discuss allowing any of the hundreds of thousands of Palestinians back to the lands from which they were expelled, lands which have been controlled by Israel for the past two generations.
One could argue that, without being brutal, Israel would have had to give into Palestinian nationalism, or the rights of refugees to return, or Palestinian access to their capital in Israeli-controlled Jerusalem. Israelis would also argue that they have tried to limit Palestinian civilian casualties, something impossible since the Palestinians are fighting a guerrilla-style combat in which the guerrillas live - and are nourished by - the population just as a fish lives in and is nourished by water. (That last bit is from Mao).
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I will agree with the premise of this threads title.
"The Right Wing's Latest Argument Against Public Health Care -- We'd Like It Too Much"
Any time people can get used to getting something free.. or even a sweet deal, they tend to not want to give it up.... well, Duh!
I'm quite sure the vast majority of people don't look so longingly at social healthcare because they get to be the one to pay more.
Every single person wants to pay a minimum in payment and be covered for everything.
By the same token, the Right-wing does not want the Govt to start paying everyones mortgage either... if the lefties passed that law, I am sure people would like it too much to stop it as well
If the question is: will our lower natures allow us to push the cost of medical attention onto others to pay?
See we are not even talking about setting up some "Extreme medical conditions" coverage law... n,n,noooo, we want a whole big program we can all ride on.
How is your ride gonna get paid for?
Could one of you -search engine wizards- find out the average profit per year for a healthcare insurance company, I thick we will see, if these companies worked "at-cost" not much would change.
One of the main themes of your posting seems to be the increase in cost to you of a government-run single-payer health care system. I respect that argument. I understand not wanting to pay any more than you already pay for your health care delivery. What I don't understand is your lack of faith in the ingenuity and ability of this country to do things as well, or better, than other countries. All it takes is a look around at all of the other western industrialized countries, and you will discover that they not only have better health care delivery, but it is also less expensive than ours.
I believe this great country could do things better than those countries. We have the advantage of being able to look at their health care systems and choosing the features of those systems which would work for us. I would like to think that you would support such a single-payer plan, in principle, if you felt assured that it would cost you the same (or less), and your benefits would not change.
Right now, government-sponsored health care in this country is approaching 50% of all health care. It is not as big of a jump to a single-payer system as you may think it is. And please do not harbor the illusion that you do not already pay for those who have no health care plan. I believe it has already been mentioned somewhere in this thread...but it bears repeating: when the uninsured finally get sick enough to go to the emergency room, the cost of their care is largely shouldered by you and me...at emergency room prices. A bit of inexpensive preventive care for them would save a lot of money. Another well-known cost savings associated with single-payer systems is their decreased paperwork and overhead. I'm sure you can appreciate that.
I work for a Fortune 100 company. I deal with a few Fortune 500 companies. After having seen how these companies operate (including mine), I can assure you that all large corporations are not more efficient than all government programs. Private or public...let's not paint everything with a broad brush. I believe that if we put our minds to it, we could create a health care system that is the envy of the world. Personally, I would not mind paying a bit more for world-class health care for everyone.
Lastly, it needs to be pointed out that, under the current system, anyone with health insurance, no matter how good their policy is, can run out of coverage. All it takes is one catastrophic accident, illness, or disease. It happens to families every day in this country. Everything they spent years working for is gone. We can change that if we want to.
Good thoughtful reply.
We would be a lot closer in agreement if your use of the term "country" and "Government" were not interchangeable. I do believe our "Country" could develop a better system but I see little evidence that politicians who cannot even manage to run their senate cafeteria at a profit will somehow do better with your healthcare.
(I'm serious)
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/conte...0801765_pf.html
Many people theorize, that one of the reasons that Healthcare is so expensive right now is because the govt is such a huge customer to the system... and they have over paid for services so often that it has driven the cost up for all of us.
I believe the key is to get the free-market forces back into practice, right now what we have are huge cartels. To exchange privately run cartels for politically run cartels will be suicide.
A private system. Oh my oh my. Something for the dark ages certainly.
So you go to a doctor and he takes your money. Doctors compete for your business, so they try to make you feel like you are getting your money's worth. They order unnecessary tests (for which the labs give them kick backs) and they make you feel like you are very sick and you have to come right back to them the following week. Some doctors don't play this game, but even then you still have to check up on everything they tell you since they are completely independent and don't have to answer to any higher authority. If I have a horrible disease I would want five or six of these independent, artistic geniuses. For the other 99% of my heath care needs I want nationalized, standardized care so that I am sure I am receiving just what I need and nothing more, and that I am not receiving extra just because the doctor wants to make an extra dime or because I look like a cash cow. (When we are less wealthy - like during our studies or when we are between jobs or when we are starting a new company or when we become deathly ill - we have to be concerned about receiving just what we need and nothing LESS, despite the fact that we are the furthest thing from a cash cow during these periods of our life.)
A private system seems extra silly unless there is some form of universal insurance that everyone can access. Insurance exists so that catastrophes don't lead to bankruptcy. Security and peace of mind is generally thought of as a good thing. Private health care - with no universally available insurance - makes about as much sense to me as private security (police). What if police officers had to collect their salary just from people who had been robbed! It's sounds ridiculous, but that's exactly what a privatized health care system would be like. (And kind of like our current system, at least for the half of Americans who are uninsured or underinsured.)
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Your rant is justified, from your perspective. You must present a high risk situation. I assume you have tried the Blue Cross-Blue Shield agents? To my knowledge, no licensed hospital in the U.S. can refuse treatment for you on the basis of inability to pay the costs. That is the safety net we have. The nonpaying patients are paid for in part by government assistance, and in part by higher fees charged to those who DO have insurance.
The U.S. Constitution did not anticipate that the government would be responsible and accountable for the health of the population. If the government had the authority to regulate individual health, and punish us for unhealthy lifestyles, then universal health care might work.
Sorry to barrage you with information, but the regulation of behavior is interesting. The National Health Service (NHS) in Britain actually has invested millions into anti-smoking campaigns, and fully covers counseling and stop-smoking treatments. It has had remarkable results, and the NHS will see savings down the line since it is the single payer of health care services in the UK.
Here is the NHS's stop-smoking site. It is very interesting stuff, and it just makes one wish we had things like this in the US....aggressive campaigns to convince people to eat better and live healthier. Private insurance companies would never invest this kind of money in stop-smoking campaigns, b/c they wouldn't save money down the line...they only insure an individual for an average of a few years, and then there is another "payer." Cost-shifting is a huge problem in our system, and there is no incentive for health care payers (insurance companies) to encourage healthy living.
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Your rant is justified, from your perspective. You must present a high risk situation. I assume you have tried the Blue Cross-Blue Shield agents? To my knowledge, no licensed hospital in the U.S. can refuse treatment for you on the basis of inability to pay the costs. That is the safety net we have. The nonpaying patients are paid for in part by government assistance, and in part by higher fees charged to those who DO have insurance.
The U.S. Constitution did not anticipate that the government would be responsible and accountable for the health of the population. If the government had the authority to regulate individual health, and punish us for unhealthy lifestyles, then universal health care might work.
You are correct that the hospital cannot refuse to stabilize a patient per federal law EMTALA. But that doesn't mean the patient won't get a bill. Often times these bills are not paid, which means we all pay higher fees, but I would argue that it's not much of a safety net when you have to declare bankruptcy. I have avoided this, but millions of Americans haven't.
I would recommend that you take a quick look at these two articles, and maybe you will better understand why some of us apply for and enroll in programs like Medicaid or S-CHIP. We don't want to become a statistics.
"Medical bills leading cause of bankruptcy: study finds most bankruptcy filers had health insurance"
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/6895896/
"When staying alive means going bankrupt"
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He only "weeps" and expects sympathy when it has affected him personally. It's really all about him.
You wanna help me out? I got a 1000.00 bill hangin over me right now. Can you paypal me a couple hundred? Mr. I love you!
I liked you a lot better when you were making snide, witty remarks about people who care about the sick and the poor. We all have bills dude. Not looking for sympathy. We're looking for solutions.
And the for-profit health care system is over. When you are robbed, does the police ask if you can pay before investigating? When your house is burning down (or your neighbors), does the fire department send you a bill afterward? We all pay taxes so that if tragedy strikes, the damage can be limited. For millions of Americans who can't get health insurance, that dream is dead.
See if you can read this story without tearing up. This women HAD health insurance:
"When staying alive means going bankrupt"
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/20201807/
Do you want my pay-pal or not?
I'll give you $3 toward that unpaid bill once you read the above and tell me what you think of it. That's despite the fact that I have yet to pay off my student debt. That's how important this issue is.
Once you wipe the tears from your eyes, there is another one that you should take a look at:
"Medical bills make up half of bankruptcies: study finds most bankruptcy filers had health insurance"
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He only "weeps" and expects sympathy when it has affected him personally. It's really all about him.
You wanna help me out? I got a 1000.00 bill hangin over me right now. Can you paypal me a couple hundred? Mr. I love you!
I liked you a lot better when you were making snide, witty remarks about people who care about the sick and the poor. We all have bills dude. Not looking for sympathy. We're looking for solutions.
And the for-profit health care system is over. When you are robbed, does the police ask if you can pay before investigating? When your house is burning down (or your neighbors), does the fire department send you a bill afterward? We all pay taxes so that if tragedy strikes, the damage can be limited. For millions of Americans who can't get health insurance, that dream is dead.
See if you can read this story without tearing up. This women HAD health insurance:
"When staying alive means going bankrupt"
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We are a very sick society and small tweaks won't help. We need a system that insures everyone within our borders from cradle to grave. After having lived with this type of security, I weep for Americans having to live without it.
Lets all weep that'll help.
I wasn't being facetious. I actually have. And if you haven't, you are blind to what people are going through. The number one reason for bankruptcy in the US is unpaid health bills. This doesn't make you weep?
Once you start weeping, let us know, b/c we have already passed the weeping stage and we are out fighting for a better tomorrow. You can join us but you would probably have to admit there is a problem first.
I think you might want to fight your way into a therapists office! Dont worry about me, I can take care of myself. But if I need a real fighter I will be sure and let you know.
Lol. I'll check to see if my HMO covers mental health.
Your prolly gonna need a RX too.
Thanks doc.
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We are a very sick society and small tweaks won't help. We need a system that insures everyone within our borders from cradle to grave. After having lived with this type of security, I weep for Americans having to live without it.
Lets all weep that'll help.
I wasn't being facetious. I actually have. And if you haven't, you are blind to what people are going through. The number one reason for bankruptcy in the US is unpaid health bills. This doesn't make you weep?
Once you start weeping, let us know, b/c we have already passed the weeping stage and we are out fighting for a better tomorrow. You can join us but you would probably have to admit there is a problem first.
I think you might want to fight your way into a therapists office! Dont worry about me, I can take care of myself. But if I need a real fighter I will be sure and let you know.
Lol. I'll check to see if my HMO covers mental health.
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Dieing in line, wating to get care is good? Just like Carol's mom did. Now thats disgusting!
People die due to unavailable care all over the globe. Each and every day. Here people die being denied available care. That's what's truly disgusting.
Whats disgusting ppl dieing all over the globe or ppl dieing here? Is here different than the globe? Not an emergency room in this country that will deny care.
Nor anywhere else in the world. We are talking about access to doctors, real health care. You know, before a spleen has ruptured and you are in the emergency room and the bills are piling up that will eventually ruin you and wipe out half of your retirement fund.
If you skull is fractured you will get treated at any hospital in the world. The difference is how you get treated once they patch you up.
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We are a very sick society and small tweaks won't help. We need a system that insures everyone within our borders from cradle to grave. After having lived with this type of security, I weep for Americans having to live without it.
Lets all weep that'll help.
I wasn't being facetious. I actually have. And if you haven't, you are blind to what people are going through. The number one reason for bankruptcy in the US is unpaid health bills. This doesn't make you weep?
Once you start weeping, let us know, b/c we have already passed the weeping stage and we are out fighting for a better tomorrow. You can join us but you would probably have to admit there is a problem first.
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One does not "avail" oneself of the Medicaid program as if it were an option. Medicaid is not an entitlement, but part of the national welfare program. Many states have budget problems and have already been laying off employees and cutting out important programs in order to meet this expense. Medicare is an entitlement that is reserved for those who have been making contributions to it, just like Social Security.
More than likely, the Obama plan will mean a big cutback in Medicaid including for immigrants. At the same time, it will make health insurance "affordable" for most people. The current Medicaid program provides one more excuse for people not to work, in my view--or to work for money under the table so they can seem to be in poverty. It is abused so widely. CHIP programs are important because babies cannot work.
Yet health insurance is available for as little as $200 per month for those willing to support themselves. Supporting ourselves is part of what it means to be American, not Italian, nor Canadian, nor Swedish, nor British. As a result, the taxes we pay on our income are so much less than elsewhere.
So the solution is "work." Brilliant. I work. Many people who work are not offered health insurance through their employers. I think the number is around 60%.
You are correct that a young, healthy person can get private insurance for less than $200 per month. For the rest of us, there is Medicaid or S-CHIP. And we will just have to put up with your smartas$ comments. Your attempt to stigmatize "us" will not stop me from getting insurance and taking care of my family. You do not shame me, and I hope that you do not shame the other millions of Americans who have been on the phone with dozens of private health insurance companies only to be told, "Sorry, I can't write you a policy." "You" don't know how many times "we" have cried because the private market won't write "us" a policy. Don't you think "we" WANT to take care of ourselves? Don't you think that "we" WANT to be independent and self-reliant. "We" pay taxes. "We" work. "We" want a system where everyone has an opportunity and a system that doesn't discriminate against the sick. I have lived under systems like this in Italy and England. They encourage entrepreneurs, risk-taking, job-changing. All pay taxes and all receive universal, national, health insurance coverage from the cradle to the grave.
But you want to teach people like "us" a lesson. We can only hope that people like you no longer run this country, so that "we" can build a system that is more just, fair, and lets everyone have a chance to live with dignity and security.
You really will have to pardon my ill-temper, but this is precisely the problem with insurance programs for the poor. They pit the poor against the middle class and make most taxpayers bitter about supporting non-working members of society. Your support for Medicare - "it's something you earn" - demonstrates why we need a national system available for everyone regardless of income, like in Europe...like Medicare. When everyone pays in and everyone gets insured, the middle class don't get so bitter about people who legitimately need help. All feel comfortable paying since they have insurance that they know they can't lose if times get tough or if they get deathly ill or if they lose their job. People are willing to pay because they value security.
I would also argue that we pay much more than Europeans for our health care. There are many reasons for this, but the main one is that it is a for-profit system. Doctors make more money (and avoid malpractice claims) the more complicated they make your case and the more tests they have to run and procedures they have to put you through. Meanwhile there is no incentive for insurance companies (payers) to invest in prevention, b/c they are only likely to insure someone for a few years of their life. There is a huge incentive to shift cost to the "next payer/insurer," which eventually is the government during the Medicare years.
Only a universal system that does not discriminate on the basis of illness or income will gain and maintain the support of all Americans. And end the middle class attacks against the poor, such as our fellow VJer Old Dominion has engaged in.
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Congrats!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! We'll done. You were one step ahead of my advice!