aicha

My husband and I got married last September in the U.S. and he submitted I-130 in late February. We have received NOA-1. Now we are planning to also try the K-3 route as well.

I am not living in the U.S. nor in my native country (where I have my passport from), but living in a third country due to my work. We haven't submitted the I-129F form yet.

I think the policy is that if you got married in the U.S., you need to be interviewed in your country of "residence." Does this mean a country where you have your official residence (like permanent residence -- more like your native country), or simply where you "live"?

So my question is:

1. Is it possible to be interviewed in the third country where I live in now? Any delays, difficulties, additional forms expected if I decide to go this route?

Thank you!

I am going to get you two sets of information on this - I happen to be having problems in our consulate, so have been getting information on this very area - not that i am going to do this, but it will answer your questions I hope. So I am just copying and pasting the info out of my e-mail directly from my attorney - here they are:

1) Another option would be to divorce and remarry in another country so that we can process through a more friendly Consulate. Morocco is more of a problem than other jurisdictions. We had a recent case where there was a problem with the Ho Chi Minh Consulate in Vietnam, another PIA Consulate. The couple then married in Jamaica and we processed there. The Jamaican Consulate wanted to know what is going on and we told them about problems at Ho Chi Minh. The Kingston staff then contacted Ho Chi Minh directly and asked for comment. When Kingston received a reply from Ho Chi Minh, the officer forwarded it to me with his comment: "That's ridiculous!" The spousal visa was issued in Kingston. My suggestion would be that you set the record now with Morocco, but do not expect them to issue the visa. It is likely they will not do so. You need to consider moving the case to another Consulate and processing there with explanation. Thank you.

2) Jurisdiction for CR processing is set at the foreigner's place of residence, not the place of marriage. If we could get residency status for your husband in a country other than Morocco, perhaps we could solve the problem.

Good Luck in your endeavor - I hope I have helped in some way.

Hi, thank you for the response. Regarding 2) from your attorney, my question is, what is the "residency status" that your husband can get. If he simply moves to another country and live there for a while, that means "residency" in a country? I'm working in this country (not the country of my passport or the U.S.) for about a year under a non-immigrant visa. Would it count as "residence"?

I believe that meauxna answered this question in their post. So did not want to make another post on the same information. good luck

I think in all for the doctor, the lab, the x-rays and the vaccination medicine from the pharmacy - we paid in all around 150 USD. The doctor herself, is a real good woman and speaks english too. But, yes there is a lot of running around to do, so there are the additional taxi fees as well. We had train fees too which I did not include in the medical expenses. The lab place likes to cause a few problems here and there, but he x-ray place is very nice - a lot of waiting at both places. The receptionist at the doctor's office even loaned us money because we did not bring enough with us and then we just had the money wired to us by family to pay her back. Hope this helps on some info on this subject and this doctor. Not sure if she is more expensive, but I think she is worth it if she is - we could not get ahold of the other two doctors.

Continuation of my post - and sorry for the double post on the last - I was typing so fast I hit the wrong button.

There was so much we did not know in this process and if we had, we would have done thngs a lot different. I would have had Senator's and privacy forms signed and sent befoer we ever started this journey. Because of that delay and the lack of response from our attorney - our papers were returned - by the time the Senator sent the first message to the CO asking for an immediate freeze of our papers - it was too late. But in everything I have sent them - they knew something was not right in this inerview process and therefore did not stop to ask about the reasons or anything else - they tried to ask immediately for a freeze and review. They now are having to watch for the papers to enter the US - they are in constant contact with the NVC and USCIS at this point and are contacting me daily. As soon as the papers are received, our case will be expedited.

I feel most of the fault is with our lawyer and we relied on him to do a job and prepare us for this - he did neither. Now we are trying to repair the damage done because of his so called advice of do not give them details, only answer the questions to specifics - your proof is you living together - we never even got a chance to show any of our proof - including the fact that we are living together - nothing.

My emotions over the last two days have hit a breakdown - I was doing my best to be so caught up in stopping all of this and contacting anyone and everyone that I would not give myself a chance to feel. When I did that post - I did it jsut because someone asked me to do it - really it had nothing to do with the petition - and again I will state that the petition is not a petition just for me. When all of a sudden people started coming back to me giving me advice - I was floored and at that moment could not deal with any of it - and I still feel that it was not done in the best of ways - and I am sorry if I feel that way about it. I have been tore apart by the people who were supposed to be helping me - the last thing I needed was more advice and I really did nto want to stop to take time to feel because if I did it may interfere with my ability to stay focused - and being focused was something I needed because of the urgency of our situation.

If you want to know more - then ask me, but please do not jump me - I simply can not deal with that right now.

As far as the petition is concerned - I hope you reconsider - because in the end you are helping yourself - you also have went through a rediculously grueling process just like me - whether you have beend denied or approved - it does not matter - the process is still very lengthy and really not right in any wayn shape or form. But please believe me that this petition is not for my case personally - never has been.

I can only pray you all understand this time and thank you for that.

You want my situation - here it is in a nutshell - there are many reasons why I was not ready to discuss this.

As for the petition - so sorry - I was new to this site and did not know where to post things and did nto realize that if you make one post - it comes up somewhere for all to see - so again sorry for that.

I will also apologize for coming off so strong, but you ca nchoose to believe me or not - I was not ready for this subject. Someone asked me before I posted anything about the petition. And just to clear that grey area - that petition is not for me it is for all people who go through this grueling process - this was something my husband and I were going to do when we got back to the states - well that kind of got a little sidetracked, so we figure we have time now - we might as well work on it now and hopefully by the time we get to the states we will have enough backing to make some changes for all of the people this affects - not just me - all of us.

I have been together with my husband for almost 15 months now and we have been living together for almost 8 of those 15 months. I luckily am in a position where my children are grown, still very young, but grown - so I could make the decisions to come and live here while we went through all of htis process. When I came here the first time and stayed for 2 1/2 months - I left to go back to the states to get my stupid exit stamp taht I was told by our lawyer that we needed to file the papers - that was so hard on both me and my husband - our health was affected and the emotions were just out of control - I returned back to Morocco and we made a decision that we would not be apart again and that I would stay here until we could go home to the US together, as a family!

I paid out 1800 to lawyer who was a specialist in immigration and had over 17 years of experience in the field. Regretfully the man did not own up to his experience. Not one time did this man ever talk to me and my husband - it was always communication through his paralegal - there was no prepe for the interview process, the only thing we were told from them was "do not worry, it is only a few simple questions, do not answer anymore than the specifics and remember - your proof is that you guys live together!" Wow - was that a joke! Since the denial - this supposed lawyer, has only contacted the CO one time - that was teh day after our inerview - they did not reply and the lawyer never contacted them again. Then the paralegal went out of the office due to health problems of her child - I got transferred to another paralegal - they in turn were not responding to me - when they did it was to lecture me on diplomatics - I did not have any diplomatics at that point because the people I hired to do this job and help us - were sh--ing on us - more than the CO. I was told wer will work with you when you can get the SEnator of your state involved and if they want we can work with them and present case law, however, I think you should consider divorcing and moving your petition to another country for processing, the Casablanca CO is a problem CO andyou will never get your VISA through there even if it is reaffirmed.

My lawyer said to me the last time I actually spoke with him, "Do not contact me unless you have a problem - taht is what you have a paralegal for to communicate with - only contact me when you have a problem" - Wow! - I thought I did have a problem - we are fighting our denial!

I will still stand by my statement that the CO took a simple question of "how did you learn english? - response "friends helped me" - and turned it around to we have help communicating in all areas, e-mails and even when I am in Morocco visiting. I am sorry if I view that as a fabrication - I will continue to stand by that in whatever word you want it in.

To continue my story - I thought we would have been home by now - my mother is 65 years old and my step-father is 50 - age difference (they have been togetehr for over 20 years) - anyways - tehy both have health issues - my step-father has to undergo esophogael dilations every month , which consists of anestesia. The last two times he went under - they had to revive him. Now he was just informed that he has a thoracic hernia that is engulfing his entire right lung and he is on oxygen 24/7 - he is scheduled to undergo surgery fopr this on May 11 - their insurance does not cover any in home care and the rehabilitation from this will be extensive, if he survives. I was informed of this after I was already here and this is why we had hoped to be home by now.

I gave up my home and everything when I moved here - when we went back to the states we were planning the move over by my parents so I could be there to take care of them. I am the only one they have - my sister is on the east coast and does not have a relationship with my mom - she has even told me that when she dies, she will not take the time to drop everything in her life to come to the funeral. My mom has sent us an emergency letter - and I have transferred that to the Senator, which I now have contact with - they are trying to expedite our case. I will post more later - this is long enough.

You want my situation - here it is in a nutshell - there are many reasons why I was not ready to discuss this.

As for the petition - so sorry - I was new to this site and did not know where to post things and did nto realize that if you make one post - it comes up somewhere for all to see - so again sorry for that.

I will also apologize for coming off so strong, but you ca nchoose to believe me or not - I was not ready for this subject. Someone asked me before I posted anything about the petition. And just to clear that grey area - that petition is not for me it is for all people who go through this grueling process - this was something my husband and I were going to do when we got back to the states - well that kind of got a little sidetracked, so we figure we have time now - we might a

And just to set the record straight - I did not tell the CO that their report was a fabrication or a lie - I merely was stating that to this group - and in my detailed interview letter taht was just for pure purpose of record and meant to be a little colored - I did not, again, did not tell them that they lied - I made a statement that would open the door a little to consider that there may have been some misunderstandings, misstatements or miscommunications - big difference. If you think this is just a nice way to tell them they are lying - fine, but it was jsut a statement!

So you are basically saying that as long as you didn't "formally" send a statement to the CO...............in the meantime it is still okay to come here on a forum and start to make some very serious unsubstantiated accusations against them?

NO - really thre is one bad thing about talking over computers - no one ever seems to get the point.

Tell me about it......cause you didn't get mine. It is okay - we both are individuals and have our own opinion.

What I meant was you didn't send the CO anything "formally"....accusing them of lying. Rather, you just preferred to come on here and do it. You do not know everything I have sent to the CO and respectably, that is no one's business. Again - Again - all I said was someone asked me to come on here and do a post to just explain a little about me and our situation and experience. I did not realize that so many were going to come back and make statements and try to give advice or correct what I was doing. For one - Why on earth would I put our whole case out there to people who really have nothing to do with it or trying to get it fixed - that really would be just not smart to begin with. Just because I was brave enough to give you a little about our situation and to give you a little of our experieince - did not mean I was handing over the right to anyone to see all of our papers, letters, ect. taht have been sent and received. You got two pieces out of several dozen. Again - Again - I am not asking for advice - I am not asking for help - this was just a sample of our experience. Can I continue to make statements about them - Yes, can I continue to back up my statements - Yes! Do I need to make them out for viewing by the public - No.

So, rather than go straight to them with your accusations, you'd rather just do it on this forum. I have went straight to them and others as well, Senators, Speaker of the House, USCIS, NVC, DOS, DHS, The Ambassador of the CO here, and so on and so on. Is it your business or your privelege to see all of that info - No. The reason I generally do not ever go on places like this and post "my experience" - is because people are never happy until they have the complete run down of the experience from start to finish - I merely do not believe that any of you need to have all of the details - things like that can shoot a person in the foot if those details get out. And Again, you all seem to think I wanted and was asking for advice and help - Again, I was not.

Your statement to the CO, says one thing................and what you are trying to explain to us here, is saying something very different. I was not really trying to explain anything - I was just giving a little background - Again, because someone on here asked me to - simple! I just do not see why that is so hard to understand - I was not asking for opinions, help or advice! If someone wanted to come on my post and reply with - "nice to meet you, if there is anything you need help with or advice on - feel free to let me know" - or just a simple "hello and welcome" - nothing!

If you have facts as you say (that we are not "privy" to etc...)......then why not tell THEM in your letter that they are lying and also give the proper authorities the proof you claim to have? These things have been done! Again I say this.

You say you have things to back it up.............then I fail to see why you are only accusing them here, but not directly. I have done this directly - am I going to give everyone that information or how I am acieving my goals at this time - No, not yet, just realize I am making tremendous progress with my methods.

With that approach, how is anyone supposed to "support" your side of this? I was never asking for support, we are doing just fine on the thngs we are doing to tackle our issues - was just giving a little detail to our experience. If people on here wanted to come back and ask how are you handling your situation? - Can you offer any help at this time to others? - Are your methods working and are you getting anywhere to fix your issues at hand? - etc., etc.

When all you have to say in response is something like....."I have information that corroberates my story .....but I can't tell you all what it is....".............. Have you ever heard the term - "I can not make public evidence until I have completed the process of rebuttal" - ? If I go off and start letting out things that I am using - I could damage my case.

Then, if that is all that you can say to the people on this forum, when you create a thread filled with various accusations , I don't think you should be very shocked when people respond to you in the ways that they did. What do you expect ? I have the right of free speech to make accusations to anyone over anything - but believe me when I tell you, I never make accusations without the ability to back it up. Do I have to explain in detail my reasons for accusations to the public at hand - no, I do not! If I was asking for anyone's assistance THEN it would be different and I would meet with that person on a private basis to discuss all of that information. Just coming on and doing a short introduction and a brief experience layout - did not mean I was crying out for help and advice or support.

And now you are acting all indignant and surprised.................. No - that is just what you think, but not the accurate truth - if you know me as a person, then you can make statements like that - but you do not know me as a person. I TRULY am not surprised at all and really have no anger in this either - really you do not know me and I am a very laid back person, things like this do not bother me, just wake me up to debate - like I said before, this is why I usually do not go on public forums and do this;

If everything is so true, I fail to see what you have to lose by writing all this to the CO directly, and in fact, it should then be the consulate that is "shaking in their boots"..................with all this "proof" you claim to have against them. I have wrote many things to the CO and again I will say - I am not sharing those things with the public at this time. I am not hiding any of my feelings from them in this matter and I believe every person and contact I have made in any government office knows exactly the things I believe took place in this interview. I just have chose to do things in a little more of a diplomatic manner then just blurting in their faces "oh, you lied", that would be very ignorant on my part - I want to make points added with proof and I have been doing just that, not just say "you lied" - pure and simple.

In the meantime, I think you should also understand when all you have to offer is your "word" to everyone here...........as your argument in defense of all the accusations that you have made.............then you shouldn't act so shocked , when all you seem to get , is so much doubt about those very accusations, in return.

Again, if I was asking for advice, asking for help, asking for support - then I would have been coming back and saying hey thank you for the advice - I have done this , I have done that, oh I did not know that, etc., etc. - I do not need to defend my accusations to any of you - I am not making the accusations against you - those are against the CO and my defense of those accusations are being proved and dealt with. So for the last time - I DID NOT ASK FOR ADVICE - HELP OR SUPPORT - I just did what someone else asked me to do because I was new to this website. I DID NOT OPEN THE DOOR TO SAY "HELP ME PLEASE" - I have my case taken care of!

Please understand - I am a good natured person, with a good heart and the only thing I care about in this world is helping others. Get to know me before you make judgements agaisnt me or my case. In private I may discuss more with a person I trust then I would in an open forum to the public. If my words are still not understood after this post, I do not know what else to say to any of you.

And just to set the record straight - I did not tell the CO that their report was a fabrication or a lie - I merely was stating that to this group - and in my detailed interview letter taht was just for pure purpose of record and meant to be a little colored - I did not, again, did not tell them that they lied - I made a statement that would open the door a little to consider that there may have been some misunderstandings, misstatements or miscommunications - big difference. If you think this is just a nice way to tell them they are lying - fine, but it was jsut a statement!

So you are basically saying that as long as you didn't "formally" send a statement to the CO...............in the meantime it is still okay to come here on a forum and start to make some very serious unsubstantiated accusations against them?

NO - really thre is one bad thing about talking over computers - no one ever seems to get the point. I did formally send the letter to have on record at the CO - I did not say in the letter that there was fabrication - I only used that word here - not in the letter. I have more than enough prrof that you are not priveledged to see, that does back up anything I am saying. My statement of "colored" was in regards to the emotional and outside interferences which may have palyed a role in the interview. SIMPLE

If it's not true...to the point where you are now actually "backing" away from your accusations of lying or fabricating, then why even make them in the first place?

Either here on this forum, or anywhere?

I would and never will back away - I just do not have 24 hours a day to keep posting! I have a life with my husband and we have work together to do for our lives.

Are they true or not? And if you are now say they are not, and that you were just "coloring" the situation (bear in mind that lot of people get sued for libel in this country, for "coloring", especially when it turns out that the "coloring" is not true.).....

Why even make them in the first place then?

Everyone here, whether you believe them or not, can empathize with you and your situation. I myself have spent 2 years and 1 1/2 months apart from my wife. And in between, there have been ups and downs with this immigration system that most people can't imagine. There were really some awful days.

Just about everyone else here has a tough story to tell,............ about the difficulties during their immigration process.

At the same time, when you say things like you said below, then you can't just expect us all to say "Yeah..you're right...the consulate IS a bunch of liers etc....".....just for "support"

Suffering and hardship doesn't give you the right to make unsubstantiated claims (which you are retracting now......but in your other thread, that's not how you started).

Not retracting anything - just apparently not bveiong understood, but that is okay - and to set the record straight again - My emotions are fine - like I said before, yes we would like to be in the states, but I am living here and we are together, so our emotions are fine.

They are obviously unsubstantiated, since you appear to be backing away from them now. Which is what many of us were trying to tell you to do in the first place....... to just concentrate your efforts on doing the things you need to do to convince the consulate the relationship with your husband is genuine........

Did you just expect to come on here and make whatever claims you chose to do....and we were all going to just "support" you regardless, and never even "question" some of the claims you were making?

Now , you seem stunned by some of the reaction.

These are excerpts of what you wrote, from your posts in the "Foreign Embassy" forum...

first

Do I find it helpful - lol - NO! This whole report of what the CO wrote in her report was fabricated. She took details from our interview to turn them into something else that was never said.

then a few posts later...

That word was again only said here - would I say those words in a letter - no - I am a little more intelligent than that. Do I need to continue to defend myself to you - No - if words are so strong here that they hurt me - then I would not be coming back to answer. I am not a fool - people voice thongs on here to just say what they feel - but would I ever go so far as saying those exact words in my letter to the CO - No.

Maybe fabrication was too strong of a word to use - but assumtive is not - feel free to read my attachment - it is a detailed account of my husband's interview - and at the same time please realize that this consulate is very good at lying and doing whatever they choose. And even sadder - the way interviews are done - it will always be my word against theirs - there are no tapings of said interviews by video or by voice - so basically the interviewee is always screwed fro mthe beginning if something does not go right in the interview. I can also go have an interview with someone and take things said at that interview and turn them to say what I want to report

Sure looks like you are still accusing them of lying, in that following post as well, and doing more than just "coloring".

Please get my point someone - when people talk to people in the same situation they can say and use a lot of words that they would not say in the face of someone they are trying to get to change their minds. Did I say in my letter that there may have been misunderstandings, misstatements, miscommunications - yes, of course and again, I have the proof to back up my statements, but would I give this group the privelage of seeing that - No. I already gave too much just to not be understood, but that is okay - like I said before, computers are treacherous in some things.

Whatever happens, NO ONE here wishes you ill will.......and I am sure we all want to "support" you.............but just not to the point where that extends to ANY claim, accusation, etc........that you make.

Whether you believe it or not..................I really DO wish you the best of luck and a success with your husband's visa...and hope he will get it sooner....rather than later. Your frustration and pain, is very obvious.

I thank you for your best wishes - I am only sorry that I can not seem to get my point across. But PLEASE - I am not in pain - I am not frustrated - I am just fine and taking life one day at a time, but learned a long time ago - pain, anger and frustration does not ever help anyone. And by the way - good luck to all of you as well - I only wish people the best - not here to argue my case or get help from others for it. Was only trying to give people a little background of our situation because I was asked to - simple - done - over. Thanks for advice, but I have it taken care of.

Just a quick update - I jsut got off of a message from the Senator in my state and was informed that their communications with the CO here are a little on hold at the moment due to the security issues at hand - they were told directly form the CO that there are only a few personnel in the office here and until the security measeures are lifted it will stay that way. Sorry to those who had interviews scheduled.

Okay - enough said - I tried and my point was still not understood. And yes - I was at the interview and seh is correct - the CO here does not allow the USC into the interview - they do not even allow you to wait by security.

Aicha dont put yourself out there like this, there are some that will NEVER get it no matter how hard you try. Until they are in that position they wont know. You tried, help those that look for the help and i thank you for what you have posted, between you and a few others you got me started on the process otherwise i would have been lost.

Thanks - and you are 100 percent correct! I will continue to be there for anyone who asks for my help! I am okay with the things that have happened to me and my husband t is it right - no - but I am okay with it - I just found something now that i can focus work on - trying to change laws for all of those who are just trying to make choices for their own lives. I was not wure what kind of work I would do while i lived here, but at least now I know - I have a lot of things in the governmetn spectrum that I would like to change here and there! This just merely gives me time to work on them!

There is a reason behind all that happens in life - and God will open the doors to show me the reasons for our decision - I am not angry - I am not hurt - I am not frustrated - I am happy because I married and love a man who is wonderful and we have the choice to live together here.

Whatever you need, let me know - I will do my best to help in any way I can.

I am sure some statements stung a bit, but I kinda thought the thread was quite informative and provided you with a bit more guidance different than how your lawyer could!

I hope it works out for you.

Thank you for your comments. The statements did not sting - it disappointmed me because people again choose to speak before knowing the facts. This is a support website - not a governement mandated place to visit. Opinions and statements were made taht were no better then exactly what the CO did - assumptions without proof - conclusions without facts - decisions without at least looking at all evidence. I did however, already know the information offered. My whole point - please ask questions before commenting. I am a very detailed researcher and do not act without knowing what I am doing. My lawyer is offering advice he should not be offering me ( how to get around the system), but he is trying to get my husband here and if that means breaking a few rules on his side then I guess he is willing to do that.

I agree with Lal brandow. Shonnie and others gave some excellent advice, and you're not even paying attention to what's been said. Remove the emotion from the 'he said she said' which will get you nowhere, and address the issues that they cited for not being approved. This is emotional for you, but not for them....address each claim in a methodical fashion and not from the standpoint of 'they fabricated!!'

The very nature of your thread called for speculation & the simple fact that you started the thread calling for advice opened you up to it. Ultimately, no one here can tell you the 'magic answers'. How in the world would everyone here 'know all the facts' of your case? Even by you presenting them, they are your perspective of the facts of your case.

If you don't want to hear the answers, don't ask the questions!

I did not ask for advice - I MADE A POST BECAUSE SOMEONE ASKED ME IF I POSTED ABOUT MY EXPERInCE YET - I listened to everything that everyone said - but you can not give advice without asking questions. It is amazing how, my post turned in to be, me asking for help - if I want help - I will ask for it - there were those who asked me in a personal message if I needed assistance and I appreciate the way they did that. MY POST WAS IN HOPES TO HAVE OTHERS ALSO POST THEIR EXPERIENCE - NOT TO GET HELP OF ADVICE! IF THEY WANTED TO ASK ME MORE QUESTIONS - THEN GREAT - ASK ME, BUT ASK SOMEONE IF THEY NEED HELP BEFORE OFFERING UNDUE ADVICE.

And by the way - my emotions are jsut fine and are under complete control - I went into this marriage with knowing taht we could possibly denied - I DO NOT HAVE A PROBLEM WITH THAT! I AM PREPARED TO LIVE HERE FOREVER - I CAN GO BACK TO THE STATES AND SEE MY FAMILY ON VISITS - I AM MERELY HERE TRYING TO HELP OTHERS - NOTHING MORE - NOTHING LESS. IF INEED HELP - I WILL ASK POINT BLANK!

You do realize that everyone and their mother are going to now descend on the thread in question?

Messageboards=drama.

That is their choice to do so and I am okay with that - I just wanted to make a point with a clear board. And yes- you are right - message boards = drama - but that is because people choose to do that. I just want to come here and try to help people and to give information - it is just like my petition I tried to start and give people here the oportunity to sign it - they assume it is something I am doing for my personal case - but that is far from the truth. It was planned to do after we got to the states and for all people - but we got stuck here, so I decided to do it now because I have the time to devote to it. It is merely a statement to get people to think a little about what they are doing and saying - if that is wrong - I apologize.

And jsut so people know - I did not cry because the things people said stung - I cried because I just do not understand why people sit here and do things no better thena the way the government and CO's do to all of us and I cried because people would not listen to what I was trying to say. For those reasons I do not usually go on and introduce myself to groups - this is what happens.

But thank you for your statement - it was correct.

I am sure some statements stung a bit, but I kinda thought the thread was quite informative and provided you with a bit more guidance different than how your lawyer could!

I hope it works out for you.

Thank you for your comments. The statements did not sting - it disappointmed me because people again choose to speak before knowing the facts. This is a support website - not a governement mandated place to visit. Opinions and statements were made taht were no better then exactly what the CO did - assumptions without proof - conclusions without facts - decisions without at least looking at all evidence. I did however, already know the information offered. My whole point - please ask questions before commenting. I am a very detailed researcher and do not act without knowing what I am doing. My lawyer is offering advice he should not be offering me ( how to get around the system), but he is trying to get my husband here and if that means breaking a few rules on his side then I guess he is willing to do that.

I do not know if this is the right place to post this, but I think it is a topic for "site related discussion".

Yesterday I made a post - "K-3 Denial - Morocco, of course, Post of my situation, information for all - I even have a lawyer" - and I was floored! Someone asked me if I had posted anything about my denial - I told that person No and said that I would do that. I did that - and I regret it very much!!!!!!!

In my honest opinion - after my post and the numerous replies it got, I came to the conclusion that some people do just not read completely all that is being said. My husband and I are both suffering right now - due to a problem CO, my very scared children because of where I am and the events taking place here, and because of the situation with our denial!

I felt that I was just hammered by comments of people who were just not understanding any of what I was saying. To say the least my suffering grew tremendously because of all of the things being said without knowing facts before speaking. I gave bits of information and would have been happy to give more by people asking questions before offering advice or speaking their opinions before knowing all facts in the case.

There were some very nice comments from some people and for those, I really appreciate your words and your support for our fight and the things we are going through.

But just a note to the rest - please think before you speak and make sure you have all facts before offering your opinions or advice. I cried most of the night because even though I kept trying to answer all of the comments - not too many were bothering to listen. People come here for support, for information and to try and help ease their journey, let alone their frustrations and pain in the process of what we all undertake. I think this is something that everyone needs to remember before they offer comment without facts.

And just to set the record straight - I did not tell the CO that their report was a fabrication or a lie - I merely was stating that to this group - and in my detailed interview letter taht was just for pure purpose of record and meant to be a little colored - I did not, again, did not tell them that they lied - I made a statement that would open the door a little to consider that there may have been some misunderstandings, misstatements or miscommunications - big difference. If you think this is just a nice way to tell them they are lying - fine, but it was jsut a statement! Has this been my only contact or my only letters to them - No! My husband has also sent in his Own Personal Letter.

Whatever the case, I have been told by many that they can never get response from this CO - only them telling them that the case has been returned and talk to the USCIS - My continued attempts of communication with this CO have brought results taht some of you wait for months to receive. I feel taht whether it is good or bad - I am making progress and I am establishing contact and forming relationship to hopefully, prayerfully - in the end have results and obtain our VISA!

If you think this is harsh - I apologize, but harsh was what I, and my husband felt yesterday when we were tore apart for something that we are getting results on. Our pain is deep enough from this process and from this soft denial.

Have a beautiful day - I know I will - because even though my husband does not have his VISA yet - we are together, living side by side. I made a choice to marry a man from another country, which in turn made me understand that that choice may have to be living in his country and not mine - that is love, that is marriage - that is a bond that you figure out when faced with a decision of a life-long commitment - we made that commitment together, forever!

Thanks for the update! Looks like my BIL's interview will be rescheduled AGAIN!

Do services for the public mean interviews also? Or just consulate services for the American public in Morocco?

Well, it was the same wording as the memo posted on Tuesday, and sure enough, interviews were cancelled on Wednesday. So I'm thinking it means all services.

You know the emailed us *after* the scheduled interview time to tell us it had been postponed? I think they have the idea that everyone lives around the corner.

The CO is closed - it is not just for public services - the CO is actually CLOSED (they did not close last time, just delayed services) - all US government employees have been urged to stay home - this will take place until further notice.

Thanks for the update. Where are you in Morocco?

I am in Kenitra - Luckily two hours from Casa by train, three by taxi. But we have friends and family in Casa.

Your letter's a good start, but it might help to strip it of some of the background. They're not going to give a damn that he was tired or had a long commute or was mistakenly asked for originals if none of that figured in the 221g.

You are right in this and I am aware of that - our lawyer just merely wanted on record, so to say, all events and circumstances surrounding the interview. He wanted this to be able to build case law on this. It was meant to be a little personal and also at the same time to be detailed in the steps that took place.

You say in it you've studied philosophy, so you know how arguments work. Grant the assumption; undermine the premises. I'd start with the correspondence they gave you that explains why they denied it. Analyze it into reasons: no common language, including reliance on translators; way of meeting that looks like he went American hunting; and no intimate knowledge of your life.

Then rebutt those one by one with evidence. Are they wrong on the facts? Then show how. Are they wrong on the interpretation but right on the facts? Show them why your interpretation is better. Did they misunderstand him during the interview? Explain what he meant and back it up with documents.

My main reasoning and providing proof will obviously come into play in the instance it is needed. My deatiled letter may have been a little colored for purpose of record, but my arguments that are being worked up right now are quite a bit different. I did mention in my letter that maybe there was miscommunication and misunderstandings or misstatements for a reason. They will be proved in other manners. This again was just a mere answer to there reasons and colored for purpose. Maybe it makes sense and maybe it does not, but there are reasons behind it.

Another thing I thought of as I was brainstorming how I would prove that C. and I were real if it came up....: do the two of you have e-mails where you discuss your future plans, not just get to the USA plans, but things like whether you'd have kids, or whether you'd want private school for them, or whether you think ballet is good for girls or leads to eating disorders? or your favorite memories or stories of your grandma or the little stuff that doesn't look like anything but forms the fabric of the relationship? Things that show that the two of you know each other well that doesn't look like a laundry list of common facts.

My husband and I have daily conversations that show many talks about our future plans and things we want for our future and our plans for that. Believe me - we even had many conversations of what we would do if VISA was never granted, so yes to your question. We talked for anywhere between 6 to 13 hours a day, everyday. The only time my hsuband and I did not communicate was when I was in the travel process to and from Morocco.

We have an attorney and the CO hear will not even speak with him even after repeated tries.

this is new to me. most attorneys are able to speak with CO's. has he sent an e mail to the consulate?

Yes - my attorney tried to contact them the day after the interview - no one there will reply to our attorney.

He approved my rebuttal because it was very precise - he only made a few changes in it. I am continuing our fight here in Morocco

there is nothing you can do in Morocco. your case is no longer there. the consulate will have nothing to do with you at all. once your case is sent back which i would guess has had to occured since it has been almost a month now the consulate will do nothing. hope you understand this.

Yes - I got confirmation finally, that the papers were sent back on April 4, but they are still talking to me.

while he is working on presenting case law to USCIS in the states as well as watching for the final approval of our CR1

it is going to take at least 6 months for your case to get to CSC. does your attorney know this? your I-130 is still pending with CSC or is it at the NVC?

My CR1 is at the NVC - my mawyer has already got this information.

The CO did make assumptions and turned around things said to fit their own desire to return the papers. Why does this CO do the things they do? Who knows, but they do and it does happen - yes they realize that the USCIS will have the final say in this, but it does not mean that they can't delay it and also,

this very true. USCIS will send you a NOIR and make a decision on your response. but i caution you that the consulate can and does deny a second time.

I am aware of this and prepared for that.

let us be reminded we all wonder sometimes where money comes from in the US - we the fees for the VISA are paid up front at the CO and they are not refunded if the CO says no, so if they keep making you come back - they keep getting more money for something that is not being issued.

the medical is good for one year. the consulate does not charge for the 2nd interview.

Thank you for that information - it helps.

chi

Warden Message- April 15, 2007

From: ACS, Casablanca (ACSCasablanca@state.gov)

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Sent:Sun 4/15/07 1:38 PM

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Here is the latest from the US Consulate in Casablanca, Morocco - sorry for all of those who have pending interviews - I really do not know what this does for your cases. When I have anything new - I will post it. Good luck to you all.

Warden Message- April 15, 2007

The U.S. Consulate Temporarily Closed to the Public

Effective immediately, the U.S. Consulate General in Casablanca has temporarily suspended services to the public for a review of security measures.

The U.S. Department of State encourages all American citizens residing in Morocco to register their presence and obtain up-to-date information on security conditions at the U.S. Consulate General in Casablanca at 8 Blvd. Moulay Youssef, Telephone: 022-43-05-78. After hours, please call 022-26-45-50 or 061-17-23-67. Information is also available on our website at: http://casablanca.usconsulate.gov/warden_information.html

For the latest security information, Americans traveling abroad should regularly monitor the Department's Internet website at http://travel.state.gov where the current Worldwide Caution Public Announcement, Middle East and North Africa Public Announcement, and other Travel Warnings and Public Announcements can be found. Up to date information on security can also be obtained by calling 1-888-407-4747 toll free in the United States, or, for callers outside the United States and Canada, a regular toll line at 1-202-501-4444. These numbers are available from 8:00 a.m. to 8:00 p.m. Eastern Time, Monday through Friday (except U.S. federal holidays).

wow... this is nuts... you are Actually Living together.. and they still need more proof??? What more do they want??

Thank you for that - I appreciate that someone sees the irony in this case.

think of how you can make a BRICK WALL crumble.. this is how you will over come the denial. if you live in morocco then address the need for your man to have a translator.

My husband does not need a translator - he was told taht when he went in for his interview to only answer the questions - nothing more - do not give information not asked for - he had one problem in the interview and that was just trying to explain to the CO exact steps on how he used the website to find and talk to me.

what is that letter for? to dayum your case or to help it? its not addressing Nothing. too much finger pointing..

I think you need to clean it up.. - try again!

That letter was approved by my attorney and it was to state specifics of the whole detailed interview from start to finsih. Let me remind you - the things I have done have gotten results, so I think I am doing just fine in my fight. My letter did not point fingers - it made facts. It also gave a little bit of a personal part of us - that shows we are human - we make errors and admitted if we did then fine - we are just asking for a chance to prove our case. I will continue doing what I am doing and I am getting results, by being diplomatic and personal at the same time - the last thing we want if for these people to forget we are human beings and so are they - if we can come to an amicable solution then it is good for all - your "opinion" is yours, but my work in this has brought results no one else has managed to get, so I must be doing something right in my letters - and tehy are approved by our lawyer before they are sent.

Ambassador, the Consulate General and teh Cosulate Chief Officer - I know of Mckeever could i have names and address of others,

Ambassador Thomas T. Riley - he is the only one located in Rabat

Here is the link that will give you all information, including the names of all staff contacts.

http://www.usembassy.ma/usmission/officehour.htm

I hope this helps.

This whole report of what the CO wrote in her report was fabricated.

It IS a tough situation.

That being said, why would a consulate go out of their way to "fabricate" a story against you and your husband, "personally"? I don't see what they would have to gain by doing so.

That's a very serious claim you are making..................and to make such a claim, you hopefully have something to back it up,

Because, if it's just your word against theirs....................and that's all you got, I don't think you will get very far.

Especially when they seem to have a pretty good argument and explanation for their side.........judging by that email.

You are right - it is a very serious claim, but you also do not know the CASA Consualte. Maybe fabrication was too strong of a word to use - but assumtive is not - feel free to read my attachment - it is a detailed account of my husband's interview - and at the same time please realize that this consulate is very good at lying and doing whatever they choose. And even sadder - the way interviews are done - it will always be my word against theirs - there are no tapings of said interviews by video or by voice - so basically the interviewee is always screwed fro mthe beginning if something does not go right in the interview. I can also go have an interview with someone and take things said at that interview and turn them to say what I want to report - does it make it right - no, not even close and if I thought the way you are telling me to think - I might as well throw in the towel right now and not fight for something that I know is right. The woman would not allow any pictures, no letters, no conversations , not even a statement written by me taht I have been living here - not even the stamped paper from there own office taht had my change of address registration with them. Never will I be one who will stand back and quit because there e-mail is such a good argument. Cases are tried in courts for both sides to be presented - I could have wrote that e-mail too - does not make it right.

consulate can lie til they are green in the face. they are the issuers of the visa rember that when pointing a finger. rolling past that.. how about showing the proof to the USICS. They dont care about assumptions they want FACTS.

you need an attorney to help you with your rebuttle.

We have an attorney and the CO hear will not even speak with him even after repeated tries. He approved my rebuttal because it was very precise - he only made a few changes in it. I am continuing our fight here in Morocco while he is working on presenting case law to USCIS in the states as well as watching for the final approval of our CR1. The CO did make assumptions and turned around things said to fit their own desire to return the papers. Why does this CO do the things they do? Who knows, but they do and it does happen - yes they realize that the USCIS will have the final say in this, but it does not mean that they can't delay it and also, let us be reminded we all wonder sometimes where money comes from in the US - we the fees for the VISA are paid up front at the CO and they are not refunded if the CO says no, so if they keep making you come back - they keep getting more money for something that is not being issued.

When she was in Morocco? correct me but isnt she living there?

THANK YOU SO VERY MUCH ON THAT!

Im sorry you are going through all this. While I cant offer any advice for your situation I hope that you find a way to set things straight so that you may be given the opportunity to with your husband.

Thank you for your comment!

let me ask you this. when you was in Morocco. did you have alot of his friends around translation between the two of you? and did you have to hire a translater. this is with the exception of documents or the use of a translater for the marriage.

address the point to USICS:

"When asked how you met and communicate, he could not specify the website via which you initally made contact, simply saying that it was shown to him by a friend. He also said that he largely relies on friends not only to handle written e-mail communication with you while you were in the U.S., but also for verbal communication when you're in Morocco. "

Again - please let me go over this - you are relying your statements and opinions on "just" what the CO said in her report. I have attached again the letter I wrote in rebuttal to the Consualte on what took place in the interview and what was said. Again let me state - I LIVE IN MOROCCO WITH MY HUSBAND - sorry for the caps, but jsut wanted to make that point clear. We have never been around friends that much - once in a while we will meet up with a friend, but most of our time is spent with each other and family here. We have never relied on anyone to do any type of translaiting for us. We never even had a translator for our marriage or any other type of service - the only translating done in this marraige was for the translation of arabic documents into english documents and that was done by a professional. Her statements were not true, but I am not going to continue to point that out - again I am not calling her a liar - I am saying she drew from things said to make a report. They would not give me this report for thrre weeks - it took me pushng and pushing every day to get something from them - and I was merely asking to give us every opportunity to prove our case because the opportunity was not given in the interview. Please read my detailed letter and interview before you make anymore comments of what the CO said - those were not what was said.