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  1. Looks like you would need to first prove to them or have them check that you are indeed a Ukrainian citizen, which would take a while if you do not have a currently valid Ukrainian passport. They can do a records search and get a confirmation from Ukraine that you are a citizen (since only a citizen can renounce citizenship, duh), but that can take a couple of months.

    I actually have all Ukrainian documents: valid internal passport (+permanent registration), external passport (valid for 2 more years) and a tax number. What I don't have is the military pass because I have never dealt with the military office in Ukraine. Technically, I am considered a resident citizen of Ukraine by the Ukrainian government since I have a permanent address registration there, so I would not want to go to the military office, especially in the time of war :(

  2. Did you attempt to ask this question from the nearest Ukrainian embassy or consulate?

    Yeah, I talked to somebody in San Francisco consulate which covers my state of residence, but they were clueless as to how to deregister from Ukraine without having to go there. They were happy to emphasize that in order to do any business with them, my passport should bear this "ПМЖ" stamp.

    However, on the Ukrainian embassy in Russia website, they outlined how to deregister from Ukraine and renounce the citizenship. The problem is that it seems this information is not centralized, so people at SF consulate may not know how to go about my deregistration request :-/

  3. While I understand that you are set on renouncing the citizenship, could you briefly explain why this is beneficial for you?

    You mention "for work-related reasons", is this something where you are looking to get a special government job and dual citizens are not allowed to hold that position? It's about the only thing that comes to mind, and I wonder if there are other reasons one might want to do it, besides being concerned about finding themselves on the wrong side of the Ukrainian law.

    My work limits my access to our customer's advanced scientific/hi-tech materials based on the fact that I am still a Ukrainian citizen. This may have to do with the fact that our customer is doing contract work for DoD, but I don't know for sure. They do know that I am a dual citizen, but they decided to go with the "worst" common denominator. Sorry, it is as much as I feel comfortable revealing. Nothing exciting -- no CIA or FBI -- just a regular hi-tech work :-)

  4. If you show your Ukrainian passport (let's assume you have USA also) upon leaving, they will notice there is no USA visa to get into USA. Then you will have to show your USA passport; thus revealing for sure your dual citizenship.

    That is true, but I heard they don't care about that as much as they did in the past. Ten years ago, they indeed wanted to see a visa for the destination country. I feel this is one of the main reasons dual citizens almost exclusively use their US passports to enter Ukraine (myself included).

    Or turn it around, if you show your USA passport upon entry and exit, they can check through the Ukrainian data base and find that you have Ukrainian passport also.

    This, on the other hand, has never been an issue for me or for anyone I know. As a matter of fact, most "foreigners" entering Ukraine are Ukrainian emigrants who, I suppose, are still citizens of Ukraine. The immigration officers simply don't care. In my case, my Ukrainian name is different from the US one, so even if they wanted to cross-check their database, they would not find me. As far as I know, they haven't yet implemented facial recognition system at ports of entry :)

  5. Hello,

    Has anyone on the forum renounced his/her Ukrainian citizenship? If so, could you please share your experience? The Ukrainian consulate website roughly outlines what steps should be performed, and it seems that a person should receive a ПМЖ stamp in the "external" passport before he/she can renounce the citizenship at a consulate; however, I have never seen any first-hand accounts of what it takes to get such a stamp.

    I stumbled upon a 3-year-old thread on the same topic and decided to check whether anyone has undergone this process since then. I would like to clarify that I know the advantages and disadvantages of Ukrainian citizenship, and I want to do it for work-related reasons. I am quite familiar with both Ukrainian Law on Citizenship (particularly article 19) and the INA, and how they both relate to the question on dual citizenship. Before 2004, Article 19 stated that Ukrainian citizenship would be terminated if another citizenship was voluntarily acquired; however, since 2004 that text was changed to state that acquisition of a foreign citizenship can only serve as a basis for the loss of Ukrainian citizenship. Again, I am doing it for professional reasons, and I haven't used my Ukrainian passport at all in almost a decade since I became a US citizen.

    Your feedback would be highly appreciated :)

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