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Interesting how there was only one person who replied who was kinda close to an answer what the OP was looking for. You should be able to talk to her about anything, including a prenup. You know your fiance better than the people here so how you will go about it is your choice. Just like some said to explain how a prenup can help her if something ever happened to you and the state came looking to her for estate taxes. If it is something you need to have completed, then you must talk with her about it 'cuz then its your choice to proceed if she won't ever go through with it.

I'm surprised how many of the Pnoy didn't get their facts right. In these statement I say many or most, not all, so don't be coming after me if you get offended. Many Pnoy don't have the money to get married so they just become live-in spouses. Many Pnoy don't own things to even bother dividing in a divorce. Even when Pnoy do get married to Pnoy, divorce takes upwards of 10 years and is more like an annulment anyway in the Philippines. Is that maybe why you seem to think no one in Phils uses prenup?

To whomever said about american women and foreign women.. American women can just as easily try to screw the man over if the divorce is caused by cheating or there is any bitterness. Its already been said foreign women can be looking for any way out of their country. Blah blah blah. Trust is not the only thing swaying doing or not doing prenup. You can trust them when you marry them but people can drift apart by either of them not doing what it takes to keep the relationship strong. Both of beneficiary and petitioner give up a lot to go through this process and both have to see that. Can any of you say that you didn't go through a past relationship where you though you know who you were with but you were wrong?

Do you know if you can have an affivdatadfjads;lasdl support for the spouse visa??

Just to clarify. Both the I-134 and I-864 are considered affidavit of support. The difference is with the K1 you will first use the I-134 and THEN do the I-864 when you do the AOS. With the IR/CR1, you will only need to do the I-864. The I-864 happens to be the legally binding one because the green card or conditional permanent residence = the beneficiary is here. The I-134 isn't because you can always change your mind before marrying and the beneficiary has to go back to their country.

This was emailed me to me regarding Fiance(e) and Spousal Visa. This is from Fiance Visa Services.

I hope it'll help you decide.

K1 Fiancee Visa Timeline:

D. Minimum Income Eligibility is $18,913 annual income for Spouse versus $15,130 for Fiancee

I couldn't edit my post, IDK why. But the correction is that the $15,130 is for a USC in active duty in the armed forces and the $18,913 for anyone else. So, it is the same for the I-134 for K1 (and then I-864 for AOS) and the I-864 used for IR/CR-1. The difference is ONLY if they are in the armed forces.

This was emailed me to me regarding Fiance(e) and Spousal Visa. This is from Fiance Visa Services.

I hope it'll help you decide.

K1 Fiancee Visa Timeline:

D. Minimum Income Eligibility is $18,913 annual income for Spouse versus $15,130 for Fiancee

How did "they" know this figure? Both the I-864 and I-134 state minimum requirements are 125% of poverty level. No number is provided. The only documentation I was able to find was for the I-864 stating the $18k for household size of 2, $23k for size of 3, ect. I'm not understanding how the I-129F for fiance K1 could have a minimum of $15,130 on the I-134 form, but when you do an AOS after marrying it becomes a minimum of $18k on the I-864. Shouldn't they both be the same, or do they think a company gives you a $3k raise right after you marry someone??

Of course it would be in the beneficiary's country, Form I-129F, Question #20 specifically asks that:

"20. Your fiancé(e) will apply for a visa abroad at the American embassy or consulate at:"

I stated Guangzhou in my initial posting of last night. That was based on my personal experience, and I expanded that explanation this morning.

A review of the VJ site's "Embassy Info" pages for China (PRC) would show that there are two consulates that process K-1 visas, Hong Kong and Guangzhou.

Due to the specific differences and requirements of each US embassy/consulate in foreign countries, I have learned to defer to the people that have personal experience in the visa processes of that particular country's interviewing US embassies/consulates.

YMMV

Yeah.. Check this site: http://www.usembassy.gov/ The Hong Kong embassy isn't even on the list. But, if you find the site specific to Hong Kong, it does state they do I-130 and I-140.

Regarding your response to #20, I believe that your information is in need of correction. For the correct information: please read the first link that I previously provided: http://guangzhou.usembassy-china.org.cn/immigrant_visas.html

Here is the text of the second paragraph from that link:

"Welcome to the Guangzhou Immigrant Visa Unit

Foreign Service Officers of the Guangzhou Immigrant Visa Unit adjudicate all immigrant visas for residents of the People's Republic of China. This is the only office handling immigrant visas in China. The post also accepts Third Country Nationals on a discretionary basis."

I know that is correct. My (now) wife, from northern China, had her K-1 visa interview this past June at the US Consulate in Guangzhou.

Good luck on your visa journey.

Yes, The point I was getting at was correct that it wouldn't be in the US. It would be in the beneficiary's country, i.e. China. It't misleading because the DoS lists all these embassies in China but you have to open each link individually and select the visa types to find out which place handles which type. So, yes it would be Guangzhou. I didn't see your reply before I posted. Again... misleading because anyone knows the K1 is a Non-Immigrant type visa and just like the Manila embassy site, it's listing the K1 under the immigrant visa category.

I'm filling out the I-129F form and had some quick questions about it. The example form is here (or here, if that link didn't work for you).

I-129F

PART A

7. Other Names Used - Current or past names? I legally changed my name seven years ago (both first and last names), do I need to put the old name down? Will I need to show the court order for the name change later on?

10. My citizenship was acquired through... - I was born outside of the U.S. and naturlized at sixteen. I checked "Naturalization". I don't need to also check "Parents," correct? It says check one.

PART B

1. Should I go by what is on her passport? If so, her Chinese first name would be written "Yilin." I just want to make sure there will be no issues later regarding "Yilin" or "Yi Lin." Like I said, passport writes the first name without a space, should I stick to that?

2. Address - Which address should I go by? Her parents live in Henan, she herself up until recenlty was living in the dorms of her university in Wuhan. This year I rented her a small apartment... I guess common sense would be to use the address of the apartment in which she lives now, but as far as the bureaucrats are concerned, is there some other criterion by which to determine OFFICIAL address?

4. Date or birth - The date of birth on her passport is one month off from her actual date of birth (typical in China), but again, I go by the passport, right?

18. I wrote: "We met and were together in Wuhan from December 25th 2010 until July 2011, then again from September 2011 till February 2012, and finally from July to September 2012." Required evidence notwithstanding, is this what they want to see in this box?

20. I live in New York, should I put New York here? Or the U.S. embassy in China? If so, which one?

Thanks.

7. Other names used, just like the others replied, yes. Put the old name down and I would provide a copy of the change just so the information is at hand just to avoid an RFE. The US gov't has access to the name change so they can view records themselves with background check, however sending is being proactive.

10. Yes, only use Naturalization. If the situation was that you were not yet a citizen but had a green card (and your parents petitioned you as alien relative) you would use through parents. If you went through the naturalization, that's what to use.

1. I would recommend the passport name. The space might not be an issue. But the true guarantee is to follow what is on the birth certificate. Obvi the passport should match the birth certificate. My fiance had her name wrong on her birth certificate but got an affidavit. I used the correct name (which she didn't have passport yet).

2. Use the address where she will receive mail. This is obvi where they will be returning her passport with the K1 when it's complete. So, If you forsee she will not stay at the appartment by the expected time the visa is approved you might want to consider using the parent's address. You will be only required to put down one address here. The G-325A is where you will list all places lived for the beneficiary within past 5 years. For ONLY the I-129F, the dorm address is disregarded completely.

4. Use the DOB from the birth certificate. If it matches the passport, then I do not need to distinguish which to use because it's pointless.

18. Yes. That is sufficient. The copy of your passport stamps for Dec/10-July/11 and Sept/11-Feb/12 along with the photos of you together show the proof of having met. They just want a brief statement on how you met.

20. I'm thinking the only one is in Bejing, China. This is where she will do her interview. Way before she sets foot into the US at POE. New york, Nay.

Almost 16 months and there was no real coping, just hoping. IDC, I'm going back in about a month even tho I'm not coming home with her.

Obvi I'm not part of the RUB party, but I did meet my fiance in person. Yes it has been so long waiting without being close like normal bf/gf.

Just some more aspects to consider with madtownguy's post. The majority of bar girls are into shabu (meth). She may have only done it for two weeks, but is she going to continue while you are waiting for the K1 to process? Bar girls tend to be high maintenance women. But, after you have thought things through very carefully and you still proceed, I agree that you only tell significants to how you met. Something simple like you met at a bar, and maybe give times where you met up to do things. I assume you did more together than just meet at a bar and had two times with the exchange of service, if you are planning on going through the K1 process.

really?? all of you who answered disregarded what was written? Copying the blank pages is asked for, but it seems more like only the arrival and departure stamps were scanned, NOT THE FIRST TWO PAGES WHICH SHOWS PASSPORT NUMBER, PHOTO, DOB, ADDRESS, ECT... which are the identification pages for the passport holder.

The OP, you can scan the blank pages if you wish, but it seems like the identification pages at the beginning are what you need to scan. You can re-scan the entry and departure stamps as well (which I would recommend) and possibly the pages in-between (which I feel is extraneous).

You forget all about the wait and get on with life, which is far more challenging

Idk if you were saying this or not: The wait and the uncertainty with long distance is really challenging. Even tho the culture shock is a big thing once a person is here, you get that interaction where you can be able to realize fear is meerly just fear. The obstacles of any relationship are less stress than the doubts and possibility of having the love fade by being appart.

Wow!! how can you assume this merely because it didn't happen to you. Our petition was submitted in March, complete with G-1145 form. We didn't receive an NOA1, and the check wasn't cashed till May. By then, we were frantic. It has taken some unravelling but it appears that our petition was split up and sent to several places. It HAPPENS !!!!!!!

OP, do not assume that your USC partner is at fault. Get them to follow up and ask to speak to a Tier 2 person at USCIS. There are several other people that have posted recently that didn't get an NOA1, the system is in a mess.

Best of luck... don't automatically doubt your fiance. Also, the Case Status is unreliable. In many cases the status never leaves INITIAL REVIEW. Updating of this is not a priority and many people have been approved and beyond and their status has never changed from Initial review. By all means check with USCIS with a Tier 2 person before accepting what you have been told on this thread. Believe me, its not unusual for this to happen... best with your process..

Well, Hmm. I'll answer for this. Maybe because the date of initial review is when the packet was received at the Texas Lockbox, not at the service center. The dates on my case : DEC 27 received. DEC 29 the NOA1 was sent from VSC. And the last action on the website about my case was DEC 30. The date of the initial review provided on the website is 2 days before the NOA1 date which means the date Texas Lockbox received it and scanned things into their system. DEC 30 is when they cashed the check. I sent the G-1135 form too, but only for email and I never got one when they received it. I had to set it up via their website. It's the service centers that have a huge time delay. Not the lockbox facility. I bet your case that you are trying to use as a basis, even tho you didnt receive an NOA1 to provide you with the case number until May, the USCIS site still stated it was received sometime in March when you initially sent it in. Correct?

Being so far away it's easy to find things that put stress on a relationship. I didn't know better at first, where i thought I needed to have my fiance's birth certificate and police clearance and cenomar before I filed. I didn't realize that even tho I could be the one filling out the G-325A for her, I can't sign it. The wording is misleading 'cuz it seems to say I can sign it but a NCSC rep said it has to be her. Waiting for the documents that I didnt even need, and then having to get her to sign some, prolonged me starting the process for about 2 months. I have been still waiting an NOA2 for over 8 months. We have endured her jealous friends trying to put ideas into her head that I don't care enough. We are 8000 miles apart and the cost to go plus needing time off work to go... idt I need to explain why it's not possible for many to be right there with a fiance like a normal couple going on dates. Just the physical part is missing and it's so hard to show you care from a distance. At one point we had an argument and she changed her mind to finish school there, but hoping I would wait for another 3 years to do so and leave things to chance. I was literally the night before I could call to withdraw my petition and she came around and said to continue things. It's the whole process that sucks. I could say the wait makes people appreciate it more when you can finally be together, but thats not always the circumstance.

Apparently a lot have been pondering this. Watching TV, there is a computer available and I know my fiance will want to talk with her family often when she is here. I'm in the north east, so she can only go out for walks when its warm out (and she wants to get used to how it is here before just going out 'cuz she won't know where anything is.) I know my fiance is good at arts, so I can get her supplies to do that. I don't want any judgement, but even doing things around the house like cleaning. That is not what I am having her here for, but I don't think I need to explain this on this forum but only to the people who are ignorant and ask why I needed to find someone in another country. Just any marriage, both need to share responsibility on things.

Unless your criminal record involved a sex crime against a a child, it will not even come up as a question or issue in the process.

This part is wrong. You will be doing the I-130 which does not ask about convictions like the I-129F does, but the gov't will still do a background check on you (and her). The instructions for the I-129F state the offenses they check for. You say your's is very minor. Just be prepared that a hit on your record will make the process longer, even if it's something minor. Don't fret too much; I just wanted to make sure you got the correct information. FYI, they might ask her about your record at the interview 'cuz it's something they can ask to make sure she knows about you to show bonafide relationship.

The income requirement for the 125% is not big either can be worked around. It just means you need a co-sponsor. The longest that you can stretch out a visa is 10 months (if you need the time, however no one wants to be apart) which includes 4 months after the NVC (DoS) approves to make an interview and 6 months that the visa is valid to enter the US.

You can check the Philippine forum. The interview at Manila costs $240, the medical exam costs ~$218, and she will also have to attent a CFO course after.

Aren't you going to have to put an answer for how you met/have been with your fiance for the past 2 years? Item #18. You are going to explain you were living in the DR on the I-129F and you are putting the DR address for the G325A biometrics obvi.

Truth on the tangent. If it weren't digressing then I'd have a rebuttal LOL but I will say I feel bad for everyone still waiting for step 1 approval (so the petition part with USCIS)....... that agency is about to be FLOODED with DACA apps. I'm so thankful I got approved 2 days before they opened the gates. ;

Yeah. I'm still at step 1 for 8 months now. It's been 16 months since I've physically been with my fiance. I was waiting for an approval to go and get her, expecting 4 months at step 1. I'm just saying eff it and going in a few months. They can be bastards and take forever on my case but they can't tell me I can't go see her.

There's a dude in one of the other posts by some girl whining about not getting an NOA2 after only 3 months who freaking met his current fiance online in January, met her in real life in May, proposed TWO DAYS AFTER MEETING HER IN REAL LIFE FOR THE FIRST TIME and now he's waiting for her visa..

I mean.... #######...???

That does suck something major. A guy I work with was online chatting with women. Idk but it was many. Eventually, it was 4 months he stuck with one woman. He went out to meet her and was married within a few days. He hasn't started the process yet but is looking into having her go to Korea and petitioning will be 1 month. He is a veteran and idk how he can accomplish that. It does suck. That part I agree with u on.

My "illegal" husband had an ITIN and never once applied for a government benefit as he would have been denied. An ITIN is NOT an SSN and you cannot use it as such. So....

Ok, so he is one who hasn't. What about the thousands who have? I'm not pulling this out of my a**. I was getting more at the dream act portion. It was a tangent and irrlevant so we can drop it.

Illegals reap all the benefits, huh? So why did my "illegal" husband pay taxes with an ITIN for every year that he worked but never once got a government benefit? So why am I STILL separated from my "illegal" husband after 14 months of this legal immigration dance? So why did my government doubt our marriage and take 8 months to approve it?

You don't need to talk to me twice about how much a flight costs to visit your loved one. Try dating someone in real life, spend every day with them for 11 months and then have them ripped away. How about you give birth to a baby alone? Go home to the apartment you shared alone? Save up the money to go see your spouse and spend time as a family, despite shouldering ALL childcare costs yourself because you've been without your spouse for over a year? Do those things AND THEN talk to me.

I know we all have it hard. We've all been separated by the loves of our lives. We all face adverse circumstances. But yes, some of us have it harder than others. And yes, some of us will continue to be upset when they see quick, easy, painless timelines that end in fraud. Who cares? I'm entitled to my feelings as much as you are.

Now, if you'd like to continue to talk to me about how "all the illegals in the country reap the benefits" go right ahead...

You just totally disregarded the whole point. You may have been with him for 11 months day in and day out. It still does not make your relationship any more genuine. I am not arguing about who has things harder or whether feelings matter to the government or not. I didn't meet my fiance online like some but I dont have the means to live with mine for extended periods of time. Usually its retired people who can do it. If I could, I would. I agree with you on seeing fraudulent relationships pass while I'm still waiting, CUZ I AM WAITING.

I'm sorry what you are going through with the government part. It's physically impossible for a man to get pregnant so I can't go through the birth. Anything is possible where I could have a child and take care of it all alone shouldering all the cost. I am not going to feel sorry for you having to do that. You knew the situation ahead of time before you got pregnant.

As far as illegals, Im talking things like the dream act and how if one has an ITIN they can apply for benefits and they can take advantage of the system while the IRS just says 'we' adhere to the laws. I'm not talking about the immigration part of the system. Also, like many posted on here about past situations of petitioning someone and after they get a GC they disappear. The government won't put any effort into deportation. But what happens if a USC breaks the law???

I can be as bitter as I want to be. How could you expect I not be bitter when I see people who met twice in real life get through this process in mere months and then all of a sudden the beneficiary has a double life and was only using the petitioner? That kind of BS messes it up for everyone else. And it's offensive to me that the government would even QUESTION if my relationship was real. I gave birth alone, I am raising my child alone, I work a full time job and pay all the bills alone. And yet it's taken me 14 months and like I said before, we're not even half way through. But the government doesn't care enough about me, even though I'm a USC, they'll just keep on chugging away, approving fake marriages so they can advance within the ranks of USCIS while people like me (and believe me, there are MANY of us) sit and wait... and wait.... and wait....

Did you not read my story? You don't have to have sympathy for me. You can be rude, too, but I'll say this, you will NEVER know my struggle. You'll sit back, in your comfy chair, and go to bed every night next to your spouse and enjoy life and the fact you probably got through in 5 months time. So good luck and bless your lucky stars your process probably didn't/probably won't take YEARS to complete.

I'm not going to bother to quote the other things by you. The reason why some of us can't live with the petitioner before applying is because I/we have a life here in the US. I have a job and only 2 weeks vacation a year. And tix alone cost between $1400 and $2000 to fly to my beneficiary's country depending on time of year... and thats just coach seats. I can't leave my job here for a month and expect to have money to live there (even tho its cheaper) and pay my mortgage here. So the flaw in your blanket statement is that many who can go live in the beneficiary's country for extended periods of time are retired. So a 60+ year old marrying a 20 year old makes their relationship more genunine that someone who met twice? For those who have met only a few times, they just need to perceive things clearly and not be blinded to whom the beneficiary really is, by love or lust. But then again, common sense isn't that common. And some foreigners are good liars. Realize some will do anything to be here. (that part covers my #### to not infer about the OP's common sense). Even if I can't get pregnant (the movie Junior doesnt apply.. lol) doesn't mean its any less of a struggle for me waiting. You haven't realized with this country that illegals and big businesses reap all the benefits?

I believe for the Philippines, they would need the equivalent to $50k in the PNB and a house and property. I mean a house, not a shack. I agree with Tahoma. If they aren't coming here permanently (as what would happen on the I-130 for relatives), then it be a waste. If you are willing to spend $ for tix for them to visit here, why won't you spend the same $ to fly yourself and your wife there for a visit?

I kind of agree. I understand with the other posters that the 90 day time is not to get to know the person and that is true. But most people who work can't take months off at a time to actually see what it's like living with the person. Whether the USC is staying at a hotel, or even able to stay at the fiance's family house. It't not the same. And I believe that anyone who is controlling or abusive, nither will see if only visiting for a week or two at a time. It still is a deficiency along with trying to plan a wedding.

More directly to the OP, I think because my K1 is taking so long that I may be forced into doing a civil marriage (and probably something more extravagent after seeing as its both our first marriage). I sure as hell can't do a marriage outside during the winter here which is what we want to do.

exactly if he leaves he is not going to be able to go back to his life EVER again, thats what worries me, the culture shock maybe to great for him and us to pull through and I would feel that I have to stick with it whether it works or not...he would know nobody here as all his friends are in the states, also he would need to go back to his country of birth in order to go through the proper channels to be legal....i could care less about moving to the USA that was never mt intention i just happened to come across someone i got on with really well which built into something i had not planned on. you cant hel who you fall in love with sometimes it does not make logical sense.

I would like him to come here but again where do you begin??? my head is all over the place.

If he can lie to me like that for the past few years what else can he lie to me about?

I just feel duped, unfortuately I cannot switch off my feelings...

The only point I am going to touch with this statement is that it's the same for him going there for a culture shock as it is for you to come here. If you can do it, he should be able to.