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My wife got her greencard last month.

I used Fil Am immigrations from the start.

What they helped me most with was to properly fill in ALL of the forms.

They give suggestions and samples on what to put in the forms, proofread them, and corrected my mistakes. I believe that had I not used them, there would have been delays due to not filling in the forms correctly. It is good to have someone check your work.

Prior to starting the K1 process, I had a free consultation with a lawyer. The lawyer actually told me to mail in every single page of my Yahoo and Skype conversation with my wife. That would have been boxes of printouts. Had I done that, I believe I would have pissed off the person processing our papers. And the lawyer wanted to charge $6000 as a start. Went with FilAm instead and never looked back.

CONGRATS!

My fiance has been here a week now, and I am so very happy but still a little irritated this K1 process is torturous where complete strangers and subjectively shatter your dreams during the process (from the 129F rejection, or St. Luke's medical and/or psyche eval if required, or the interview at the POE).

My fiance's interview was very short at St. Luke's, and her interview at POE was non existant. I was with her, and I took over the conversation with the customs officer, with him just verifying my employment. From what I have read here, if the man goes with the fiance, it seems like no one has had trouble yet.

We got through the POE check like a normal US citizen. Less than 10 minutes.

It is a broken process. It is easier to do things illegally (cross the border from Mexico and have anchor baby here right away) than it is to do things legally (almost a year of torturous process).

Ying arrived at O'Hare yesterday! Interesting POE experience. Customs officer makes us wait 2 hours. He was much tougher on her than the Guangzhou interview. She had to wait a long time, and then the interview was over 10 minutes, maybe enen 15 (consulate interview was all of 5 minutes!). He asked her questions about my ex wife, and why we broke up, and during the interview asked her 3 different times about how we met, like he was trying to see if he could trip her up. She did get through, and we are together now, but I am very angry about the experience she was put through.

My comments - the time for the tough interview is at the consulate, before the foreign national has quit their job, sold off their house and possessions, said goodbye to everyone, and bought a plane ticket of over a thousand dollars, not at the POE. That is what the Consulate interview is for, to determine that the immigrant is on solid ground and truely qualifies, and the immigrant is warned not to quit job or make other arrangements until they get the visa, rightfully so. But after they have gone through the long visa process and all the checks they have gone through already, and they are approved and get the visa, for the Customs person to try to deny them entry at the POE is an extreme disservice to any immigrant. I think this part of the process is broken! Just my thoughts.

Anyway, thanks again to this wonderful site and all the wonderful, helpful people during the Visa Journey. I will still be using this great site for AOS advice, etc., so I'm not done yet.....

Perhaps you can enlighten me, but I am a bit surprised why you would want her to go to an English school. Most Filipinas can converse in English anyway. There is no requirement in the K1 process that she has a degree in English.

I wanted to send my fiance to english school just to polish her english up a little. I originally thought she's just go in the philippines but then I realized it shouldn't be too hard to get a student visa to go to an english school here. I'm just not sure if they will not like it while a k1 visa is going. I think the schools do most the work and at the end of the day it's better her learning english here than there. Has anyone done this? I'm told student visas are very solid, not sure if they are fast though so she might already be here by then. There's a good school I've checked into but not sure if they'd sell the correct story to me.

I am confused. Is this for K1? Because if so, I thought the process was pay and schedule for the interview date online and then go to St. Luke's any time at most about a week before the interview date?

Same as you guys. Case closed and waiting for an interview. Does anyone know if the medical exam can be done before I get an interview letter. I have been told don't do medical until I get interview letter.

I am so happy for you!

In about a month or two, I hope to be in the same state as you with my fiance and her 6 year old.

I just cannot wait. Almost a year and half of waiting for her to set foot in the USA.

LMAO!!

Things are going extremely well here for myself, my fiancee and my soon-to-be stepson.

They're all settled in and having a grand time. No complaints of homesickness from either of them.

It's been fun and educational for all of us too. They both just about freaked out when, on their 1st day here, we went to Wal Mart and I picked up a soft drink, opened it and gulped a bit to quench my thirst. Something completely unheard of in the Philippines I guess.

We've decided NOT to have the garden wedding that we'd been planning. Instead, we're just going to "elope" down to the county courthouse and get married there. Turns out the logistics of getting my friends/family here from several areas around the country was an issue for the working folks. And getting started sooner on the AOS process will be a boon for us as well.

Anyway, for all who are waiting with bated breath and bitten nails... it's all worth it in the end!

And keep an eye out for those really short notice, low price airfares! We got really lucky in that regard. A low price popped up and 7 hours later my fiancee was in the airport waiting to board!

I am in the USA, my fiance is in the Philippines.

What I do in terms of bank accounts is I set up my Wells Fargo account to transfer straight to her BPI (Bank of the Philippine Islands) account. It costs us $5 per transfer and I have a history of all the transactions (to prove that I have been supporting her).

I don't know if your bank has such arrangements but Wells Fargo does with a few banks in the Philippines.

We also Skype (watched 'The Notebook' together and though I have seen it dozens of times, I tear up on some scenes with her. It was pretty romantic actually watching a movie together via Skype). We have Skyped daily but even with Skype, it puts a tremendous strain on two people who want to be within inches of each other every single day of their lives. The strain leads to fights and make up sessions, just like a regular relationship with the big thing missing: hugs and kisses.

This entire, inhumane process, is one big test of love for those involved.

Hi guys,

My darling Eric and I got married in Edinburgh on the 25th,I dropped him at Manchester airport today and to be honest I feel awful,I'm so angry with this whole process,that we have to live apart for goodness knows how long whilst the CR1 is completed,I know you all must have felt or feel the same way:-(

Aaaaanyway,I have a question, we recieved a few cheques as wedding gifts in our married name,yet we haven't got a joint bank account yet seeing as he's in the US and I'm in the UK........is there anyway we can open one whilst being so far apart? Or will I have to get the kind folks that sent us the cheques to redo them just in my name?

Also any tips in coping on having your spouse on the other side of the world would be greatly appreciated

My last trip to the Phiippines, my passport was not stamped going back to the USA.

I asked, and the guy said we know you're a US citizen to stamp. First time I did not get it stamped. No problem for me since I was already home.

But I guess the most important stamp is the stamp showing you were in the PHilippines.

doesn't count.

The point is, he has entry stamps. That is the greatest of evidence. I could have boarding passes and get to the country and be denied. That doesn't prove I was "in" the country. The entry stamps show that I cleared customs and allowed entry into that country.

The entry stamps, coupled with other evidence will suffice the meeting in person. Make sure you have a few photos of you 2 together in that same timeframe.

you will be fine.

As everyone has mentioned, you cannot be married before getting married in the USA for her K1.

I plan on getting married first in a civil process here in the USA, and then two years later (she cannot leave US soil for that long unless you have an emergency visa), we will head to Bohol and get married by Church. Two years would be enough time for us to save for a very big beautiful wedding.

Most important things is get her here in the USA first so you would not be dependent anymore on a bureucrat's stamp of approval for her to be with you. This what I hate most about this entire process. ONE BUREUCRAT can deny you your future with your wife. The POWER these unelected people have. Unbelievable.

Hi all! If your filling for a fiancee visa can the petitioner & beneficiary marry through a church wedding ceremony in the philippines before they leave for US when the visa is approve? and upon arriving in the US they will marry through a civil ceremony. Any thoughts?

Hello

We are having a terrible time with the transition from USCIS to NVC. We received the NOA2 on May 24th, which was quick (we submitted it in early March) but the NVC still has no record of receiving the application after 25 business days.

We have called the service line and emailed research after 15 business days but have yet to get a response.

Is anyone else having the same problem with the gap between NOA2 and NVC receiving the application, particularly lately (as if they are very busy lately?) Has this been a common problem in the past?

Thanks for your help

Eric and Shoko

Hi Eric and Shoko,

I just got my MNL number yesterday (May 14 was when I got my NOA2). After many calls and a couple of emails with my scanned NOA2, I got this email 5 days ago:

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Dear Sir/Madam:

Please be advised that the National Visa Center (NVC) contacted U.S.

Citizenship and Immigration Service (USCIS) to locate your approved

petition. USCIS has informed the NVC, that your petition will be en

route to the NVC, and it can take approximately 45 days from the date of

approval for a petition to be forwarded to the National Visa Center for

processing. Once we (NVC) have received your petition, the appropriate

agent will receive further instructions.

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Yesterday was the 44th day, but I called (my fiancee told me to call since I was just going to wait it out until the 45th day came) and sure enough, I was told my application is there and will be sent to the Manila Embassy soon. I asked for my MNL number, and it was given to me.

I did get angry a couple of weeks ago, and got hold of an officer who put my case in her database for research.

So it does seem that USCIS->NVC is way backed up and it can take up to 45 days (of course some people still got theirs within 14 days, but it seems like the majority are in this same boat of having a longer than normal wait time).

It sure does sound suspect.

Do you have the letter already showing your name?

The email may have been meant for someone else.

Hi everyone,

Need some input here!

Our I-129F was approved and notified by USCIS on May 16 (case processed at CSC). My fiance received the approval notice in the mail stating the next steps.

So it's been more than a month and we didn't hear from NVC. My fiance called NVC today and NVC said they did not receive our case from USCIS. Oh man. Then he called USCIS and USCIS said they'll review our case and respond in 5 days. Also, the person from NVC told my fiance on the phone that USCIS "may" have forwarded the case to the consulate (where I'm currently residing) directly. Well, I thought this was quite impossible.

Has anyone experienced such a situation before????

I am in the same situation as you. Our NOA2 was May 14th.

I have called NVC 6 times now. I have emailed them twice (with the scan of my NOA2 both times).

I got an email from NVC that they have no record of receiving my application and will contact USCIS on my behalf.

I contact USCIS 3 times, today being the latest. I demanded to talk to a manager. They forwarded me to an officer. Officer looked in her computer and said that I have already asked USCIS to research my application and by June 30, I should receive an email from them regarding the result of their research.

This week is the 5th week. I have been told by others that NVC sends these in batches and that the NVC is full of ####### and that to expect the package from NVC to suddenly appear in your physical mailbox between 5 to 6 weeks (though the NOA2 states 15 working days).

So, next week is the 6th week, and I sure do hope it finally comes. I only need an MNL number to continue with this freaking long process.

I almost want my fiancee to just emigrate to Mexico, cross the San Diego border illegally, and get Amnesty. People going through this legally are getting the major screw. But of course I will not opt for anything illegal. We all just have to suffer along this idiotic process of getting the one you love to marry in this country.

some possible paths:

Do Nothing

1. Do Not Get Married

2. Her I-94 will expire then

3. yer off the hook

Marry Her

1. Marry her then

2. File the Adjustment of Status Casefile then

3. IF and only IF your fraud suspicions prove to be true then

4. withdraw the I-864, affadavit of support prior to green card issuance and then

5. divorce

There is another path, but I not suggest it unless you are certain she's not defrauding you, and that's to marry, file, stay married, and have a happy life together.

The thing about #5 (Divorce) is that she will hit you for spousal and child support. Can you imagine that? Someone defrauded you, and YOU have to PAY every month to be reminded? Yikes!

hi everyone....i checked my email this morning....i got a msg from uscis...it says i129f was approved.....thank for this site! it really helps me a lot!......plsss help me anybody here to share some tips and exp what am i going to do....and what will i expect along the way..how long will i wait again to wait .....ok godbless>>tnx....

Your approval brightens the day for those still in waiting

CONGRATULATIONS !!!!!

There is an assumption in the suggestions below: at the start of the marriage, the husband LOVED the wife and they actually had a good long term relationship that has gone sour.

In Saylin's case, the husband already told her his marriage concerns right off the bat and showed no love. If you really think about it, he is more honest expressing his true feelings than most scum bags. If he does not love you and yet you continually 'fighting' for his love, then the problem is not with him , but with you. Forget the suggestions below. Leave the bum. Both husband and wife should fight for their marriage.

hey saylin, check this out i say this on yahoo and i was thinking maybe it might help you...(i'm just assuming it will lol)

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By Elizabeth Weil, REDBOOK

Here, tips for how to save a marriage and avoid divorce from 13 extraordinary people who believe in doing whatever it takes to sustain the biggest love of your life.

Whatever it takes

There you are, trucking along in your life, your marriage. Maybe you're six months out from the altar, or two years, or 12, or 20. Your husband is unaccountably late coming home from work again. Or he's distant or cranky again. Or, as in my case, he leaves his rancid gym clothes on the clean bedspread again. Or he butchers an entire pig in your kitchen again (yes! He's taken the whole know-where-your-meat-comes-from thing to the extreme). And you think, no matter how happy or in love you felt just yesterday, Good grief, wouldn't all this be easier without YOU? Marriage is long and hard. It's no picnic, yet at times it feels like a joke: Millions of us are trying to move - and grow, and breathe - while shackled to another person, as if in a three-legged race. Wouldn't it be easier to div____?

And yet, the D-word. It's so dire. No person stays committed forever without at least contemplating life solo, but do you really want to amputate your sometimes better half? Here, a panel of wise authors, therapists, artists, lawyers, and scientists makes the case for sticking it out. Even if your union is rosy right now, consider this required reading. Use it to appreciate, nurture, and take a mental snapshot of what you have. Some day you may find yourself (or a dear friend) on the brink, and you'll want the best tools possible to help you remember what's at stake and salvage what you've got. With that in mind, try these tips to save your marriage before you sign the divorce papers.

Related: 17 5-Minute Marriage Makeovers

Don't divorce until you...

...try writing down your thoughts and sharing them with your spouse. There are things you can't say but that you can write, if you carve out a space of solitude and give yourself time to reflect. Your spouse might be able to hear you for the first time too, because writing takes you out of the realm of combat. You can elicit what's behind the anger. Often, it's sadness. - JANE MCCAFFERTY, AUTHOR OF THE NOVEL FIRST YOU TRY EVERYTHING, ABOUT A DIVORCING COUPLE, AND RECIPIENT OF TWO PUSHCART PRIZES

Don't divorce until you...

...compare the cost of good marital therapy, and meaningful (even extravagant) investments in your marriage, to the price tag of divorce. Just one meeting with an attorney could buy you and your spouse a weekend at a nice spa. One month's legal bills could buy you a full course of couples therapy and countless date nights. If you're juggling work and parenthood, you might be able to save your marriage just by devoting the resources you'd put toward divorce toward staying together instead. - ELISABETH J. LAMOTTE, COUPLES THERAPIST IN WASHINGTON, DC

Don't divorce until you've...

...done enough honest self-examination to find out why you want to divorce in the first place. Because you would never want to take on something as monumental as a divorce unless you're going to change and grow from it. So ask yourself: "How did I get myself into this situation? Why did I pick this person to marry? What did I do to create terrible communication or anger or deadness?" Until you're willing to look at that, you'll just end one situation and pick up right where you left off in the next. Even if there is no next marriage, you'll re-create the dynamic in relationships at work, or in friendships, or with your children. Most marriages aren't black-and-white. Almost always, when things deteriorate, both people have contributed mightily to the demise. - ELIZABETH LESSER, COFOUNDER OF THE OMEGA INSTITUTE FOR HOLISTIC STUDIES IN RHINEBECK, NY, AND AUTHOR OF BROKEN OPEN: HOW DIFFICULT TIMES CAN HELP US GROW

Related: 30 Best Things You Can Do for Your Kids

Don't divorce until you...

...let go of the fantasy that you're going to find someone who's perfect in all the ways your husband is not. People think they're going to find whatever is missing in their marriage. But with divorce, you trade off one set of problems for another. Imagine seeing your ex at a soccer game flirting with another woman. Imagine how that would feel. Because if you get divorced, people are going to be setting your husband up with women - appealing women who will find him fascinating. I'm not saying you should stay with someone if there are real problems. But if you're just sort of feeling like, "Well, I don't know. He doesn't inspire me. He's not interested in my book club selection...," think again. - LORI GOTTLIEB, AUTHOR OF MARRY HIM: THE CASE FOR SETTLING FOR MR. GOOD ENOUGH

Don't divorce until you...

...try touching. I've found that a lot of couples stop touching long before they split up. When I suggest it, they go, "But I can't even talk to this person!" And I tell them there's no talking required. Just touch in silence. Be quiet. This can mean sitting next to each other so your bodies are touching while you're watching TV. The first time's going to be awkward, so give it a few tries. Then move on to hand-holding. Then a massage - just the hands or feet. Then spooning in bed. Touch increases the hormone oxytocin and makes couples feel closer. It takes away that urge to attack. It helps you remember what attracted you to your partner in the first place. Because you can't tell an angry or disconnected couple to go have sex. Uh-uh. But touching in silence can help you find that little flicker, and then you can try to increase that little flicker, and if you can do that, chances are you'll be able to reconnect emotionally, too. - HILDA HUTCHERSON, M.D., OB/GYN AND PROFESSOR AT COLUMBIA UNIVERSITY AND REDBOOK'S "INTIMATE ANSWERS" COLUMNIST

Related: 4 Foods to Eat for a Healthy Smile

Don't divorce until you've...

...considered that children often bear the scars and burdens of divorce long after parents have moved on and started over. Short-term damage to children is obvious. But it's when children become adults that you really see the cost: difficulty facing mature relationships of their own, difficulty raising children of their own. In our culture right now, pulling the trigger to divorce, sadly, can be as easy as shopping at the mall. It shouldn't be. - ANDY BACHMAN, RABBI, CONGREGATION BETH ELOHIM, BROOKLYN, NY

Don't divorce until you...

...can vividly imagine your partner kissing somebody else, and you don't care. We've evolved three distinct brain systems for mating and reproduction. One is the sex drive. The second is romantic love. The third is deep feelings of attachment. Before you divorce, you need to be at the point where you feel no sexual interest in your partner, no feelings of romantic love at any time, and no deep attachment. You really don't? Then you're free. - HELEN FISHER, PH.D., BIOLOGICAL ANTHROPOLOGIST AT RUTGERS UNIVERSITY

Don't divorce until you...

...have dealt with the fact that your marriage has concealed a whole host of your personal defects from public view, and everyone prowling around the single kingdom today has X-ray glasses. - LIZ PHAIR, MUSICIAN AND WRITER OF "DIVORCE SONG"

Related: Major Room Makeovers on a Teeny, Tiny Budget

Don't divorce until you...

...spend the next year treating your spouse as curiously, respectfully, and gratefully as you would a mysterious stranger. Henry Miller once said that a man's friends were his worst enemies because they believed they knew who he was - and they limited him to it. How much truer this is for spouses! We think we know our partner's deepest identity. But if we spent half the effort courting him as we might an exotic-accented stranger, he'd likely prove twice as grateful and at least as interesting. - CRISTINA NEHRING, AUTHOR OF A VINDICATION OF LOVE: RECLAIMING ROMANCE FOR THE 21ST CENTURY

Don't divorce until you're...

...clear that you are making an examined, not rash, decision. Some people divorce in a state of intense reactivity - for example, on the heels of being betrayed, lied to, or cheated on. When you're hurt and angry and upset, and in shock, you're in your reptilian brain. You're in fight-flight mode. Better to wait until the shock has passed, until you can breathe and contemplate your life. - ESTHER PEREL, AUTHOR OF MATING IN CAPTIVITY: UNLOCKING EROTIC INTELLIGENCE

Don't divorce until you've...

...left no stone unturned. Before you end something, you need to make sure you can walk away saying, "We did everything we could do." I'm divorced, but my ex-husband and I, we're family. We're soul mates. "We're best friends. I think it takes as much work to have a happy divorce as it takes to have a happy marriage. You have to be respectful of the other person and what they're going through. You have to be insightful about your own issues, what you may be projecting onto that person. You have to stop making everything about how you feel. Before you think about getting divorced, you need to step outside yourself. Gain some distance. Establish a level of respect. Then work like hell at figuring out who you two were meant to be to each other. Maybe it's not a married couple. But obviously, your paths crossed; you developed feeling. Now find the shelf where it best fits." - FRAN DRESCHER, CO-CREATOR AND STAR OF THE TV LAND SITCOM HAPPILY DIVORCED

Related: 56 Things That Matter Most in Love

Don't divorce until you...

...consider that, with the possible exception of permanent disability and long-term imprisonment, there are few financial calamities more devastating than divorce. Both spouses will need retirement savings sufficient to cover a household. People may need therapy. And there's a good chance careers will be damaged because you'll be distracted and may decline promotions or transfers. All these things can limit your financial prospects. - RON LIEBER, "YOUR MONEY" COLUMNIST FOR THE NEW YORK TIMES

Don't divorce until you...

...stop and realize that your spouse might marry somebody you could have issues with. Are you going to be responsible and grown-up enough to embrace that person? To see them as your family? Because if you have children, you'd better be. Are you sure you're going to be tolerant of someone you've never met, or maybe don't like, being directly involved in your kids' lives? Listen, I have a wonderful second marriage and a great relationship with my ex and his wife, but it's a very serious thing to get divorced. You need to be flexible, open-minded, and full of goodwill if you're going to do things right relative to your kids. And you need to be all of those things immediately, when you're hurting. Because being angry or mad or bitchy about your ex-husband or his new wife, your kids' stepmother, is doing them no favors. Now, when my ex-husband comes to see the children, he stays in our house and my husband and I leave - because that's what's best for the kids. That's called tolerance. A lot of people say, "Oh, my God, I could never do that." But how could you be in my situation and not do that? The minute you break up your family, you need to start repairing it, and you have to bend over backward to do it. In divorce, you have to be even better at compromise and change than in marriage. And it's better for the kids if you do it with a smile - a real one. - ISABEL GILLIES, ACTRESS AND AUTHOR OF THE DIVORCE MEMOIRS A YEAR AND SIX SECONDS AND HAPPENS EVERY DAY

Maintaining privacy doesn't necessarily equate to keeping marital secrets.

So if I am a CIA operative, I'm supposed to just let the little Woman have a go at the inbox? As an example, admittedly an absurd one but disproves your point.

I have a password on ALL of my computers, separate emails, separate accounts, etc this doesn't mean that I value my SO less. The important thing is if the secrecy suddenly started or was it a pre dating and known mode of operation.

BWAHAHAHAHAHAH.

The funniest EXCUSE from someone wanting to keep SECRETS. IT IS FREAKING FACEBOOK, NOT CIA OPERATIVE MUMBO JUMBO. Now, THAT disproves your point.

Hey, if that is how you live your life with your wife, I pity her for all the SECRETS you willingly hide.

Let me reread your response again.....BWAHAHAHAHAHAHHAAHAH !!!!

I will forward it to all my coworkers now so we can all laugh at you CIA Operative excuse.....TOO FUNNY!

Short answer: Give up.

Long answer: Your Husband has checked out of the relationship. It take two people to be in a relationship and fight for each other. I would move on. Personally I did not like your move to invade his privacy, but it is what it is, this things happen.

I COMPLETELY DISAGREE with you regarding his privacy. They are married, right? There should be NO SECRETS between a man and wife PERIOD. No separate emails, no separate passwords. Man and Wife are ONE.

People who complain about their privacy have SECRETS to hide. Secrets are cancers to a relationship. TRUST ME. Secrets lead to betrayals.

As evident by the fact that she didn't think about the fact that she needs to adjust status. Lol. I swear, some people think that once they scam themselves through CBP and they're in, they're invincible.

I don't think she cares about adjusting status. The Filipinos call this 'TNT' (tago ng tago); translated - in hiding.

So many illegals in this country, and now she is just one in millions.

Dude, I'm a lawyer. An ENGLISH lawyer, even, but an American by birth. I know a little about the history of common law in both England and America. The common law certainly does look to Judeo-Christian moral precepts, which in many cases had more to do with practicality than fear of a deity. It also borrows heavily from Roman law, pre-Christian native Britannic custom and a lot of common sense.

Why yes, I would say moral standards in this country have improved in some regards. One need look only to the abolition of slavery, the extension of the franchise to women, the removal of Jim Crow laws as but a few examples of how life in this country has improved since "the good old days." It's utter hogwash that Paris Hilton or Kim Kardashian are role models for all little girls -- I am the friend of mothers of quite a few little girls, and those girls are not being raised in the cult of celebrity, nor do I expect that even a majority are raised that way. Have morals changed for the better in all regards? No, but the answer is always going to be more complex than a simple binary "yes" or "no."

It's utterly facile to point to Facebook and say "look at they're writing!!!" Were YOU a young teenage girl in the pre-internet days? Do you have any idea what we talked about then? Furthermore, I hear no discussion about the morals of boys and young men here. Is the supposed downfall of America to be hung as a dirty mantle around the shoulders of its daughters alone?

Edit: clarity.

From immoral women comes immoral sons.

Facebook is a reflection of today's thoughts. I am very sure teenagers in the 50s and 60s did not talk about F-buddies as they do today. You OK with your daughter's F-buddies? Is that a great moral change for you? Hahahahaha..

OHHHHHHHHHHHHH-KAYYYYYYYYYYYYYY.

A large number of Aemrican men watch porn, which is pretty much legal under US laws. What is your point?

Read the thread to get the point.

There is a morality issue in our American society. Period.

BS. The United States has an absolutely tremendous level of education for women that, when weighted by population, blows the rest of the world out of the water. China has about 80,000,000 illiterate women. How many do you think the US has? 80% of women in the world are literate. 99% of American women are illiterate. Want something more than literacy? Throughout the world, only about 7% of the population have college degrees. In many countries, women are extraordinarily underrepresented in the population of college degree holders, as sending a person to college is something families can at best afford to do once, and men get the priority. And in the US 27% of American women have college degrees and women go to college at higher rates than men. It is just patently false to say that the US isn't educating women. In fact, from what I've seen on this webpage, that is precisely the problem that many American men have with American women: they are not uneducated and docile enough for their tastes. It's pretty repulsive, actually.

So you seem to assume as a universal truth that an 'educated' person is supreme to an 'uneducated' one. I am sure you know that is not true, right? If you were to start a new society on an island, would you rather have a Mother Teresa or a Michael Ross (an Ivy League 'educated' serial rapist and killer)? Repulsed you say? I am repulsed by your snobbish outlook on foreign women who did not have the easy life of getting 'educated' with a piece of paper versus women who got educated with hardships of life and love for and of humanity. Give me a break dude. I am almost repulsed by your snobbish post.

Utter baloney. I'm a non-believer, the child of non-believers, who was raised with a high moral standard. Religion is one manner of codification of moral standards. One need not be religious to be moral, and conversely one need not be moral to be religious.

Why thank you! I'm in decent fettle this morning despite not having had my morning cuppa.

You can shmaloney baloney as much as you want, but morality = delineating from right or wrong.

Right or Wrong is codified in our US Laws.

The history of US Laws is based on JudeoChristian principles (all the way back to English common law).

US laws change based on social norms. Social norms in the1960s(most of the people going to some church on Sundays) is much different than social norms of 2010s (no religion in school). The moral standards have changed. Would you say for the better?

Paris Hilton and Kim Kardashian as role models for little girls? Look at Facebook and read what teenage girls are writing. Would you say the moral standards today are for the better?

Hiding your head under the ground like an Ostrich does not solve any problems.

The US is not a country like other countries where there is a majority religion. The US has many many religions, Muslim, Catholic Christian, Mormon, Budhists, Jewish/Judaism and many many more. Choose which religion you are, say Christian. Would you want your child to be made to pray a Muslim prayer in their school? If you are Muslim, would you want your child to be made to pray a Christian prayer in their school? If you are Catholic (who don't believe in salvation) would you want your child to be indocrinated with salvation talk. In my opinion, religion is parental responsibility, not the schools. Keep religion (any religion) out of school and you will not be accused of indoctrinating someone elses child with your personal beliefs.

Right. So you made my point that religion is out of the school.

Without religion, there is no moral standard.

So, where do we disagree?

I've known many, many more "feminine women" from Central America and Asia that cheat and lie. It happens EVERYWHERE in the world.

Yes, of course it happens everywhere in the world, but IT IS NOT ACCEPTED as a social norm.

It is becoming MORE and MORE accepted in the USA because of one simple reason: the losing grip of religion.

In Latin America, women are still brought up in the Catholic religious ways. This does not guarantee that cheating will not happen, but the STANDARD is there.

The same can be said of the Philippines and Buddhist countries in Southeast Asia.

The difference is MORALITY is still respected, while in the USA, that thought of MORALITY is frowned upon (heck, any type of prayer has been taken out of the schools). When you have no standard/no morals, you have no lines to cross, and you're more free to choose the hedonistic carefree lifestyle that the 70's generation dreamed. I mean having a Paris Hilton or Kim Kardashian (two women who have shown themselves having sex in films) as role models? Give me a break.

It is my opinion. It is my observation. If it hurts too much for you, perhaps I may have hit some truths, because as the old saying goes, TRUTH hurts.

Hi!

Just an intrigue question, will everyone in this world immigrate to USA? well looks like it, I guess will come the day that the wait will be like for ever to get this K1.

What are the other countrys in the rank for imigration? Do you guys know it? I just wondered since never expected so many ppl doing it.

Thank you

In my case, my fiancee did not want to go to the USA. She'd rather find serenity in Japan, but her fate was she found a guy living in the USA. America has a lot of positives and some negatives, but remember, this is a BIG world and there are many beautiful and serene places in this world not monopolized on the Western Hemisphere. Heck, come my retirement years, I don't even know if I am going to live in the USA.

Here we go again, making offensive, stereotypical, blanket statements....

But again, please read my caveat that this is my 'myopic' view?