PalestineMyHeart

"Spray and Pray" isn't working in Gaza and isn't working here either.

Honestly you have written much. You copy/paste 20 paragraph opinion pieces here and think people are going to read all of that. How about trimming it down to your point and then linking the article? Then I can do a much better job of telling you why you're wrong.

We sort of view the summary execution of whole families in their own homes as a form of modern day human sacrifice

Any form or system of government or group of people that is oppressive and does not recognize individual rights of life, freedom, and property is a threat to the world.
Israel does it, and ISIS does it. They are cut from identical cloth.

Pounding on Syria to help ISIS out seems like a good strategy.
Wait - that's exactly what they did

While you are busy committing war crimes, it is best to keep screeching about someone else, I guess.
And no hypocrisy here - the USA does this in its foreign policy, and with guess who in the middle east. Israel.
The injustice has to stop in order for the victims to give up their struggle. The land theft and refugee status of the Palestinians needs to be righted.

http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=a87_1383098197
That was a protest in Egypt from a year ago. The online Israeli propaganda machine is something to be admired. Goebbels would be proud.
Good point I suppose. It's kinda hard to use the numbers as some kind of mitigating factor when you're comparing hundreds and thousands of civilian deaths.

So killing 1200 civilians isn't as bad as killing 1500?

This video has been debunked. Next!

Israel was traded for votes for Truman in one specific election. The problems today were predicted and those who predicted it were right.
Both sides should have been held to firm, fixed agreements rather than let one side terrorize the other out of their homes and off their land and simply pass themselves a law allowing them to take it.
Loy Henderson, Director of the State Department’s Office of Near Eastern and African Affairs
“...support by the Government of the United States of a policy favoring the setting up of a Jewish State in Palestine would be contrary to the wishes of a large majority of the local inhabitants with respect to their form of government. Furthermore, it would have a strongly adverse effect upon American interests throughout the Near and Middle East...”
“At the present time the United States has a moral prestige in the Near and Middle East unequaled by that of any other great power. We would lose that prestige and would be likely for many years to be considered as a betrayer of the high principles which we ourselves have enunciated during the period of the war.”
“...[partition] would guarantee that the Palestine problem would be permanent and still more complicated in the future...”

“...[proposals for partition] are in definite contravention to various principles laid down in the [uN] Charter as well as to principles on which American concepts of Government are based. These proposals, for instance, ignore such principles as self-determination and majority rule. They recognize the principle of a theocratic racial state and even go so far in several instances as to discriminate on grounds of religion and race...”

President Harry Truman, however, ignored this advice. Truman’s political advisor, Clark Clifford, believed that the Jewish vote and contributions were essential to winning the upcoming presidential election, and that supporting the partition plan would garner that support.

Truman’s Secretary of State George Marshall, the renowned World War II General and author of the Marshall Plan, was furious to see electoral considerations taking precedence over policies based on national interest. He condemned what he called a “transparent dodge to win a few votes,” which would cause “[t]he great dignity of the office of President [to be] seriously diminished.”

Don't have the time to search that thread. I believe that I saw you support it.
You can prove me wrong right now by condemning Israel's air attacks on Assad while his regime was fighting the ISIS rebels and if you do condemn that act and admit that stupidity of that act I will follow up with an apology to you as well as admit my mistake. If you do not then we can continue this thread because there is a lot of taped and written testimony by former IDF soldiers posted that actually supports my position on the Gaza issue and you probably want the opportunity to address that.
That's the best deal you're getting. Take it or not. I for one sure don't blame you for reading this one and jumping to another one because we both know there are hundreds of these testimonials and its going to be hard for you or anyone else to declare them "pallywood", "staged", or "anti-Semitic" when they are coming from IDF combat vets.

It's all about media and public opinion manipulation. The Israelis are experts at it. Just frame them as a bunch of Muslim terrorists and voila, no one cares what happens to the Palestinians. "These are same folks that flew planes in to the WTC damnit!" The average gullible American TV viewer falls for it every time. The whole thing is quite impressive. I mean what other country on the planet gets away with keeping an entire group of people in an open air prison with the full financial and military support of the U.S. govt? The people in Gaza see how well things are going in the west bank with this alleged "peace" More land being taken every day. Israeli settlers killing Palestinians. Israeli soldiers beating up civilians. That's what peace with Israel gets you. And people wonder why they fire rockets? Israel has no concept of the carrot and stick approach. It's just varying levels of sticks, no carrots.
ETA: I also love these alleged "peace" deals coming form the Israeli side. We'll take all of your land, and then offer to give you 70% of it back. And then they claim the Palestinians aren't willing partners in the peace process..

Actions do have consequences. Lots of information omitted. Not sure I would tolerate a neighbor like this either. Especially if it was my daughter being beat up or having a brick thrown at her head by an illegal settler. Another testimonial:
http://www.breakingthesilence.org.il/testimonies/database/75697
My main difficulty in Hebron was the settlers, the Jewish community there. The feeling was that we were protecting the Arabs from the Jews, and neither side liked us, but it felt as though the Jews really did whatever they pleased and no one would care. We were stuck in the middle. I'll give you an example of something that happened right next to me: I was standing guard duty and one of the outposts summoned a medic on radio. Someone replaced me at the guard post and I ran down, and I see a six-year Palestinian girl -- her whole head was an open wound.
At 44 (a military post next to the Tel Rumeida settlement in Hebron)?
Yes. The extremely cute child who would regularly visit our position decided that he didn't like Palestinians walking right under his home, so he took a brick and threw it at her head. Kids do whatever they please there. No one does anything about it. No one cares. Afterwards, his parents only praised him. The parents there encourage their children to behave this way. I had many such cases. 11-12 year old Jewish children beat up Palestinians and their parents come to help them along, set their dogs on them; a thousand and one stories
So by this former Israeli soldier's own words a thousand and one stories of random violence by those poor settlers. ON what planet do the people who commit the violence become victims and the people who defend themselves against the violence become terrorists?

This isn't Egypt.
Hey you know what's cool to do? Stop a random kid at a roadblock, accuse him of throwing stones, and slap him around. Just for fun. Just for the hell of it.
An Israeli soldier's testimonial
http://www.breakingthesilence.org.il/testimonies/videos/57917

Israeli soldiers story about using random people as human shields in Gaza
http://www.breakingthesilence.org.il/testimonies/videos/58949

You probably aren't the best person to represent Israel to us and I'm glad they are not all like you. Since we have no decent, moral Israeli voice on this board I feel compelled to help by stating categorically that I agree with this IDF soldier and former combat veteran.
There are an endless number of these (see http://www.breakingthesilence.org.il/) so I will just answer your posts one by one with the words of your own combat vets until you either fold and admit these atrocities are wrong or man up and declare that you stand with all the other terrorists.
http://www.thejewishweek.com/editorial-opinion/opinion/hamas-cruel-enemy-what-have-we-become
These things are clear and correct. Yet as a veteran of the IDF and an Israeli citizen, I don’t bear responsibility for Hamas’ actions, but rather for those of the Israeli society of which I am a part. So let’s focus on Israel, my country and my home.
Imagine a big family gathering in a home during days of war. Fear fills the air but it’s easier when everyone’s together.
Suddenly a bomb hits the home – and the family is erased. On July 20th, twenty-five members of the Abu Jamei family, from the town of Bani-Suheila in Gaza, lost their lives to a bomb dropped by the Israeli Air Force. Why was the Abu Jamei home bombed? Why have other families lost their lives in recent weeks in similar bombings? Among them eight members of the Kawara family, six of whom were children; six members of the Hamad family who were killed in their sleep and eight members of the Al Haj family.
The IDF explains that Hamas members, or members of another organization that the IDF wished to harm, were in these homes – and at least in some cases a warning was given to the family in the form of a telephone call, or the dropping of a smaller bomb on the house.
Hamas is a cruel and cynical enemy. But what have we become? Is it not a cynical act to bomb Hamas members’ family homes that don’t constitute a “ticking bomb” threat – that is to say, don’t pose an immediate threat to soldiers or civilians – with the knowledge that there are innocent family members who will be harmed inside? Does the fact that a family didn’t heed our telephone request to leave a building grant us the right to sentence them to death? When we choose to do so, are we not functioning as executioners who have lost respect for human life? When we choose to act this way, can we really continue to boast the claim that we do everything in our power to avoid civilian casualties? The answer to the last question, to my dismay, is no.

I wrote that Hamas controls Gaza, but Hamas isn’t alone. Israel also continues to control Gaza. Israel controls the daily entry and exit of goods from the Gaza Strip; prevents access to Gaza from the air and the sea, limiting the fishing area for Palestinians; Israel even controls the population registry in the region. According to the UN, approximately 1,800 people were killed in the Gaza Strip these past few weeks, around 250 of whom were minors. Most of the dead did not take part in hostilities against Israel. Can we as Israelis earnestly shrug off our responsibility to the residents of the Gaza Strip?
I believe that we cannot shake off this responsibility.
As an Israeli citizen who loves his home, I hope that many other citizens will join me in calling on Israel to stop this practice of bombing homes with their inhabitants inside – an act that causes unreasonable harm to Gazan civilians. We must stop sending our friends and our soldiers on operations that will definitively harm civilians. We must end Israel’s protracted control over the Gaza Strip.

The writer served as an infantry combat soldier and commander in the IDF, and is a founding member of Breaking the Silence, an Israeli NGO of veteran combatants who through published testimony, lectures, meetings and tours attempt to give the Israeli public a fuller picture of everyday life in the Occupied Territories since the start of the Second Intifada.

http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=a87_1383098197

What are Israelis doing in the Golan Heights? Is that a recognized part of Israel?

In all fairness, Israel is a small country geographically. They probably don't have a lot of storage for bombs and such. To make room for the next mass shipment compliments of the U.S., they might as well drop their existing stock on someone. Plus it's probably good training for their pilots and artillery crews. They just have to find a target that goes along with their narrative. First Syria, and now Gaza fit the bill nicely.

You say I lie? Not only did I tell the truth but even Netanyahu can't seem to tell the difference. "Let them weaken each other" he says. None of us can understand why Israel has been bombing SYRIA and not ISIS but if you support that then don't bother pretending to feel sorry for any of the victims of ISIS.
http://news.nationalpost.com/2014/06/25/warplanes-attack-isis-strongholds-as-syria-intensifies-push-to-stomp-out-the-insurgency/
BEIRUT — Syrian government warplanes have attacked a series of targets in Syria and Iraq in an attempt to weaken an Al-Qaeda splinter group, opposition activists and U.S. officials say.
On Wednesday, airstrikes on Raqqa, a Syrian city of some 500,00 that has been under control of the Islamic State of Iraq and Al-Sham (ISIS) for more than a year, appear to be part of an intensified Syrian government campaign against the militant faction that has become a major fighting force in neighbouring Iraq in recent weeks.
http://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/jun/23/israel-air-strikes-syria
The Israeli military has carried out air strikes on targets inside Syria, including a military headquarters, in response to a cross-border attack that left an Israeli teenager dead.
In all, Israel said it struck nine military targets inside Syria, and "direct hits were confirmed."
The targets were located near the site of Sunday's violence in the Golan Heights and included a regional military command centre and unspecified "launching positions." There was no immediate response from Syria.
In Sunday's attack, an Israeli civilian vehicle was struck by forces in Syria as it drove in the Israeli-controlled Golan Heights.
It was not immediately clear whether Syrian troops or one of the many rebel groups battling the government carried out Sunday's deadly attack in the Golan. Lerner said it was clear that the attack was intentional.
Netanyahu said in conflicts like Syria, where al-Qaida-inspired extremists are battling Iranian-backed Syrian troops, there is no good choice and it is best for Israel to sit back and let its enemies weaken each other. "
There actually IS a good choice. Stop backing the ISIS rebels. If you're gonna back 'em, don't pretend you give a sht about their victims.

Syria has been fighting ISIS rebels for months. Israel has been bombing Syrian military bases for months.
Can you help us all understand why bombing Syrian military bases while Syria is fighting against ISIS rebels helps the Yazidis or anyone else who has fallen under ISIS control?
I already knew you wouldn't condemn these actions, therefore you support bombing not ISIS but the Syrians who are fighting them and that's what I remembered from the other thread. Thanks.

While you are condemning assistance to ISIS by Israel please condemn this too:
Report: Netanyahu says 9/11 terror attacks good for Israel
According to Ma'ariv, Netanyahu said Israel is 'benefiting from attack' as it 'swung American public opinion.'http://www.haaretz.com/news/report-netanyahu-says-9-11-terror-attacks-good-for-israel-1.244044
The Israeli newspaper Ma'ariv on Wednesday reported that Likud leader Benjamin Netanyahu told an audience at Bar Ilan university that the September 11, 2001 terror attacks had been beneficial for Israel.
"We are benefiting from one thing, and that is the attack on the Twin Towers and Pentagon, and the American struggle in Iraq," Ma'ariv quoted the former prime minister as saying. He reportedly added that these events "swung American public opinion in our favor."
Netanyahu reportedly made the comments during a conference at Bar-Ilan University on the division of Jerusalem as part of a peace deal with the Palestinians.
Also explain why this group of Israelis thought 911 was so funny and why you think we should believe that Israel is our "friend". Laughing and making selfies during the WTC is not the behavior of our friends or allies. Even the dam Iranians stopped their saber-rattling long enough to hold a candlelight vigil.
http://abcnews.go.com/2020/story?id=123885&page=3
Millions saw the horrific images of the World Trade Center attacks, and those who saw them won't forget them. But a New Jersey homemaker saw something that morning that prompted an investigation into five young Israelis and their possible connection to Israeli intelligence.
Maria, who asked us not to use her last name, had a view of the World Trade Center from her New Jersey apartment building. She remembers a neighbor calling her shortly after the first plane hit the towers.
She grabbed her binoculars and watched the destruction unfolding in lower Manhattan. But as she watched the disaster, something else caught her eye.
Maria says she saw three young men kneeling on the roof of a white van in the parking lot of her apartment building. "They seemed to be taking a movie," Maria said.
The men were taking video or photos of themselves with the World Trade Center burning in the background, she said. What struck Maria were the expressions on the men's faces. "They were like happy, you know … They didn't look shocked to me. I thought it was very strange," she said.
She found the behavior so suspicious that she wrote down the license plate number of the van and called the police. Before long, the FBI was also on the scene, and a statewide bulletin was issued on the van.
The plate number was traced to a van owned by a company called Urban Moving. Around 4 p.m. on Sept. 11, the van was spotted on a service road off Route 3, near New Jersey's Giants Stadium. A police officer pulled the van over, finding five men, between 22 and 27 years old, in the vehicle. The men were taken out of the van at gunpoint and handcuffed by police.
The arresting officers said they saw a lot that aroused their suspicion about the men. One of the passengers had $4,700 in cash hidden in his sock. Another was carrying two foreign passports. A box cutter was found in the van. But perhaps the biggest surprise for the officers came when the five men identified themselves as Israeli citizens.
‘We Are Not Your Problem’
According to the police report, one of the passengers told the officers they had been on the West Side Highway in Manhattan "during the incident" — referring to the World Trade Center attack. The driver of the van, Sivan Kurzberg, told the officers, "We are Israeli. We are not your problem. Your problems are our problems. The Palestinians are the problem." The other passengers were his brother Paul Kurzberg, Yaron Shmuel, Oded Ellner and Omer Marmari.
{C}When the men were transferred to jail, the case was transferred out of the FBI's Criminal Division, and into the bureau's Foreign Counterintelligence Section, which is responsible for espionage cases, ABCNEWS has learned.
One reason for the shift, sources told ABCNEWS, was that the FBI believed Urban Moving may have been providing cover for an Israeli intelligence operation.
After the five men were arrested, the FBI got a warrant and searched Urban Moving's Weehawken, N.J., offices.
The FBI searched Urban Moving's offices for several hours, removing boxes of documents and a dozen computer hard drives. The FBI also questioned Urban Moving's owner. His attorney insists that his client answered all of the FBI's questions. But when FBI agents tried to interview him again a few days later, he was gone.
Three months later 2020's cameras photographed the inside of Urban Moving, and it looked as if the business had been shut down in a big hurry. Cell phones were lying around; office phones were still connected; and the property of dozens of clients remained in the warehouse.
The owner had also cleared out of his New Jersey home, put it up for sale and returned with his family to Israel.
‘A Scary Situation’
Steven Gordon, the attorney for the five Israeli detainees, acknowledged that his clients' actions on Sept. 11 would easily have aroused suspicions. "You got a group of guys that are taking pictures, on top of a roof, of the World Trade Center. They're speaking in a foreign language. They got two passports on 'em. One's got a wad of cash on him, and they got box cutters. Now that's a scary situation."
But Gordon insisted that his clients were just five young men who had come to America for a vacation, ended up working for a moving company, and were taking pictures of the event.
The five Israelis were held at the Metropolitan Detention Center in Brooklyn, ostensibly for overstaying their tourist visas and working in the United States illegally. Two weeks after their arrest, an immigration judge ordered them to be deported. But sources told ABCNEWS that FBI and CIA officials in Washington put a hold on the case.
The five men were held in detention for more than two months. Some of them were placed in solitary confinement for 40 days, and some of them were given as many as seven lie-detector tests.
Plenty of Speculation
Since their arrest, plenty of speculation has swirled about the case, and what the five men were doing that morning. Eventually, The Forward, a respected Jewish newspaper in New York, reported the FBI concluded that two of the men were Israeli intelligence operatives.
Vince Cannistraro, a former chief of operations for counterterrorism with the CIA who is now a consultant for ABCNEWS, said federal authorities' interest in the case was heightened when some of the men's names were found in a search of a national intelligence database.
Israeli Intelligence Connection?
According to Cannistraro, many people in the U.S. intelligence community believed that some of the men arrested were working for Israeli intelligence. Cannistraro said there was speculation as to whether Urban Moving had been "set up or exploited for the purpose of launching an intelligence operation against radical Islamists in the area, particularly in the New Jersey-New York area."
Under this scenario, the alleged spying operation was not aimed against the United States, but at penetrating or monitoring radical fund-raising and support networks in Muslim communities like Paterson, N.J., which was one of the places where several of the hijackers lived in the months prior to Sept. 11.
For the FBI, deciphering the truth from the five Israelis proved to be difficult. One of them, Paul Kurzberg, refused to take a lie-detector test for 10 weeks — then failed it, according to his lawyer. Another of his lawyers told us Kurzberg had been reluctant to take the test because he had once worked for Israeli intelligence in another country.

You posted a topic with the title:
Gaza ‘Corpses’ Caught Moving When They Forget Cameras Are On ThemThe title of the link I posted is:
Egyptian Brotherhood fake corpses Here's a map. I hope this clears it up.

I believe I posted it and I believe it was bombing because a truck driver's son was killed in Golan 'by unknown sources'.
I keep hearing "hey sure look how much worse THEY are so when WE do 'less of it' WE are better" and yes that sounds stupid.
Here's the difference and try to follow: American taxpayers don't fund, support, and supply arms for killing of civilians by Syria like they do for Israel and I am on record to pull it all and return to following our own interests and principles that the men who founded this country took the time to pen. The principle that any one people have more rights than another on the basis of religion or race was not included in that list. I'm quite sure Israel doesn't give two shts about civilians killed in Syria any more than they do about civilians killed in Gaza so you can forget trying to press that point.
No bombs were set off inside of Israel's internationally recognized borders and if they continue to walk, live, and build on land that does not belong to them you are right, I don't care what happens to them. Thieves get whatever they have coming and you can expand that to anytime and anywhere. Summary: I don't care about thieves in Texas and I don't care about thieves in Israel either.
Whether intended or not ISIS benefited from Israel's attacks. Therefore, the attacks assisted them. Just because "there were also other groups" doesn't make it right - but nice try.

I don't remember getting angry about anything. Can you please point this out?

Palestinian scouts perform in Manger Square outside the Church of the Nativity, Bethlehem

Priest in the Palestinian village of Beit Jala, near Bethlehem, conducting traditional outdoor Christmas service

Pilgrim in the Church of the Nativity, Bethlehem

Orthodox priest lights candle in the Grotto of the Church of the Nativity, Bethlehem

Armenian priests watch clergyman carrying figure of the baby Jesus, Church of the Nativity, Bethlehem

Palestinian Santa, East Jerusalem

Latin Patriarch being driven through the Israeli checkpoint to enter Bethlehem

Palestinian children enjoying the Christmas program outside the Church of the Nativity, Bethlehem

Weekly protest against The Wall, near Bethlehem

Christmas tree made of empty tear gas canisters and razor wire outside Manger Square, Bethlehem