JanaWithoutKhodor

How about an InfoPass appointment at your local USCIS office?

The local office is 4 hours away. I did go online and schedule one earlier today just in case this other stuff doesn't work. Thank you.

a withdrawal of this type is handled by postal letter.

Fax, sometimes, also works.

EMAIL? TELEPHONE? Not work at all.

I suppose I could mail all of the documents I have already attached to the email, anything is worth a shot right now as I seem to be getting nowhere. In my email sent today, I requested for my case to be transferred to a supervisor. I will see what kind of reply I get. I will try the postal mail option too. Thank you for your response.

Okay, I am still in contact with one of his friends over there, however, I don't feel I can trust her either:S I cannot maintain contact with him, I requested for him to return it himself and he has been completely hostile, telling me he is not coming, not to worry about it and to leave him alone. I don't believe him, as I said, he is a sociopath, a pathological liar so I am just covering bases. Is there not some form somewhere, to cancel sponsorship? Ugghhhh......

The emails I got were from the IV unit at the Beirut Embassy.....

I posted awhile back on here about who to contact as to how to cancel an approved visa. It's gotten even better, found out he was cheating at the time of the interview and the last trip I had made there, the "car rental" fee I paid was for the car he owned!!!! Gotta love it;) I am grateful I found out BEFORE he got here!

Anyhow, I tried to conact the Embassy, who told me to contact USCIS. I accidentally contacted NVC, who told me to contact the Embassy. I forwarded the email to the Embassy, who then again told me to contact USCIS. I contacted USCIS again, was told to contact the California Service Center. Also was given the number for ICE and Customs/Border protection. I wrote the letter to USCIS and contacted ICE. ICE told me there is nothing they can do, to contact USCIS and ask to speak to a supervisor, which I did. She gave me a "confirmation number" and also told me to contact NVC and the Embassy. At this point I am about losing my mind. First of all, I am feeling very stupid I allowed myself to be conned for 3 years, but, every time I have to send another email, contact another agency, I have to relive the deception.

I am just wondering if anyone has any advice as to how to make sure this is cancelled. This guy is the type of guy who would come here, enter on the visa, then disappear and set up a new identity. I just want to be sure that I do everything I can to make sure he doesn't enter. I have made copies of all my emails, etc., but, I am just amazed by the lack of communication between agencies.

Any advice would be greatly appreciated. Thanks!

I seriously dont know if you can get into trouble over that but as in any muslim country (not saying to pick on muslims because im muslim) having a illegal child can result in the death of the birth mother and makes the child if not claimed by the father a non person pretty much.......im guessing one way or the other this is gonna open up a whole can of worms on his side

sara

His father was murdered by his birth mother's brother when he was 9 years of age. I don't know what it will open up either, I just don't want my #### in trouble.

He knows who his birth mother is. She was not listed on the birth certificate as his biological mother due to the fact that his biological father was cheating, resulting in the birth of my ex-fiance'. He states they put his step-mother's name on the certificate falsely, to allow for him to travel back and forth to KSA as illigetimate births are not acceptable in Lebanon. He listed his stepmother as his biological mother, she is NOT.

While yes I am hurt, perhaps a bit scorned, but, my issue is protecting myself from legal problems. I work for the government myself and am not willing to jeoporadize my career. He is NOT in the U.S. yet and I doubt he will come, but, I want to protect myself in case he would still try come against my wishes. I want myself protected, that is all I am asking. Do I need to notify the Embassy or not.

My fiance', well, let's now say ex-fiance', was not forthcoming with me in the paperwork he submitted to the US Embassy in Lebanon. Apparently his biological mother is not listed on his birth certificiate, it is his dad's wife, as he was born out of wedlock through his father's affair.

I am not going throught with this marriage and I need to know the proper steps to take in order to notify the embassy he lied, in addition to trying to cancel the visa. I don't want to just let the visa expire, I want it gone, done, forever out of his hands. It is amazing how hard we fought for something and how one little lie can destroy dreams.

Anyhow, enough about woe is me. I just need to know what to do so I don't get my #### in a sling. Will the U.S. Embassy prosecute him in any way, I don't want problems for him but I am not going to allow problems for myself to save him from his own stupidity.

Anyhow, any advice would be greatly appreciated. The Visa expires in March.

Thank you everyone for the replies, I appreciate it so much

The first question I have is are my fiance' and I able to file for a temporary work permit for him prior to his entering the US and us being married? This question somewhat times into the second question which is, if he cannot do the previous, is he able to file for the work permit once in the US and before the AOS is filed?

How will he go about getting a driver's license? I read somewhere he cannot get a driver's license until he has the AOS completed. Is this true?

Any help at all would be greatly appreciated. Thank you!

My fiance' was approved for a visa to come here from Lebanon. My question is, once he arrives in the U.S., when can we go back to visit family, is there any restriction on our travel back and forth while the work permit and everything else is processing?

Is it possible to file for the ability for my fiance' to work in the U.S. prior to us getting married? We were thinking about waiting about 60 days for the marriage to take place but want to get started on the work piece as soon as possible. Is this a waste of time or do we need to get married before even filing the paperwork for him to work?

You followed the instructions on the website for the needed forms, but you didn't read the form instructions in detail. Proof of meeting within the past two years? That's covered in the form instructions. Proof that the petitioner is a US citizen? Covered in the instructions. Passport style photos? Covered in the instructions. Letters of intent? Covered in the instructions.

I don't know if any of these thing were what you got an RFE for, but the basic requirements, which is virtually everything that's listed in the VJ guides, are covered by the various form instructions. You could submit a petition and have it approved without ever finding VJ or reading the VJ guides just by carefully reading the form instructions, and submitting everything that's requested.

That said, including everything that's mentioned in the form instructions and VJ guides does not guarantee you won't get an RFE, which leads me to...

Yes, it's strange indeed. I've seen a few people posting that they've gotten RFE's for stuff that is not required by any statute or DHS policy for USCIS to adjudicate a petition. Frankly, I have no idea what's been going on there. brokenfamily posted an excerpt from a DHS progress report from the American Immigration Council that summed up a lot of the complaints about the RFE process, and what those RFE's frequently ask for. That excerpt leads me to believe that many immigration lawyers are just as confused by some of these RFE's as we are.

I can only venture a guess as to what's going on. My guess is that USCIS service centers are getting a little fed up with having to deal with so many returned petitions from US consulates, and they've decided to be proactive about preventing them. They're beginning to ask for proof of stuff that would normally only needed to be proven at the consulate stage.

The thing is that a consulate can't just return a petition to USCIS and say they didn't feel like issuing a visa in this case. An approved petition is a presumption of eligibility, and it's up to the consulate to prove that the beneficiary isn't eligible. They can't just say "Hey, the petitioner was recently divorced so we think it's a sham relationship". USCIS' response would be that they knew the petitioner was recently divorced because they saw his or her divorce decree, and they approved the petition anyway. The consulate can't revoke the approval of the petition, and as long as there's an approved petition then the beneficiary is technically eligible to apply for a visa. The only way the consulate can prevent the beneficiary from coming back repeatedly and applying for visas based on the same petition is for the consulate to send the petition back to USCIS with a recommendation that the approval be revoked. In order to do this they have to come up with a reason why the beneficiary isn't eligible to receive a visa, and it has to be a reason USCIS didn't know about when the petition was approved. The result at many consulates, especially those in countries with a high level of visa fraud, are trumped up allegations based on things for which there are no statutory requirements, but which the consulate believes are valid discretionary reasons to deny a visa and recommend the petition approval be revoked.

I think USCIS might be trying to prevent some of these petitions from being returned by the consulate by asking the petitioner to provide evidence that the consulate might otherwise use as an excuse for denying the visa. If USCIS gets a lot of returned petitions citing "beneficiary submitted no evidence that petitioner funded their trips to visit the beneficiary themselves", even though the consulate never actually asked the beneficiary to provide this evidence, then USCIS could stop those petitions from being returned by issuing an RFE for this evidence before approving the petition. If USCIS has seen the evidence, and it's included in the petition package sent to the consulate, then the consulate can't use the lack of that evidence as an excuse to deny the visa and return the petition.

The only other viable reason for these bizarre RFE's is that USCIS has hired new adjudicators and failed to train them properly.

Well, if that is what they are doing, I guess it makes sense to me. I know the Middle East is a high fraud area, I never expected smooth sailing. I think the OP is out of the VSC, which seems to run a little slower than the CSC. These boards can be very beneficial for obtaining information, but, as with anywhere, don't rely on it as legal advice. Hell, it seems even some of the attorneys some people on this board have used shouldn't be relied up on for legal advice:)

Again, what you are saying makes a little bit of sense for how some of the consulates are trying to deal with the "problems" ahead of time. I sent what I had and hopefully my 100% Norwegian background is now cleared for not having any relation to my 100% Lebanese fiance', good humor;)

Many would say it's odd, but I have plenty of 1st hand experience dealing with immigration offices on behalf of others since the mid 90s up to now (I am not a lawyer though but I deal with lawyers several times a month, and I do all what I do on a volunteer basis; and not all my experience is K1 though now I am in a K1 of my own, waiting for months on the NOA2) and this does not surprise me. I have first hand experience with even more absurd (Kafka would be proud) RFEs, rulings and other. They can ask for about anything they feel like.

As many others here, I would like to send a few RFEs of my own to them. But keep in mind that we do not have control here and the most efficient/effective way of dealing with this is to send them what they want, as soon as possible; second order of business is to come to the forum and post our experience, it does help others. Criticizing does not help. We are here because we are all in the same boat, aren't we? When someone posts a 'Received NOA2' or 'interview scheduled' we all win, especially the couple that got the notice.

I have never had any experience which is why I came to this board. I have found most of the members here to be very helpful. You are right, they can ask for whatever they want and I will give it to them. I am hoping by sharing my experience I am helping people, I am not trying to scare anyone, I keep pointing out this is not normal, but, it CAN happen. You are right, whenever anyone gets a NOA2, it is a great experience and moment for all of us.....

I would say: That any Senior Member with years of experience would say this is odd for a 129-F Application.

Maybe Pushbrk and Jim will read this thread. You are not changing the subject though or the thread. It is up to the OP.

I have been told it is odd, I agree it is odd and it is simply my experience.

Looking at it they did and you replied. Any Member would say this is odd. The Original 129-F is a basic breif by USCIS for Documents and a Check. The 129-F is a basic Form that looks into Backgrounds of the petitioner/beneficiay. Homeland Security, etc.

Seems Odd to get a RFE already asking for Income Requirements. IS THAT COUNTRY DIFFERENT? Odd. It's a US Embassy that approves the NOA2.

I'm not right all the time but this baffles me!

Well, I know what I filed, it was an I29F, for my fiance' and I received the RFE for this petition asking for 2 pages worth of additional documentation, including the financial information I stated. I don't want to hijack this thread, I am simply stating that I was not misleading anyone, it may be odd, but, it is what I received and what I was asked to provide. I was also supposed to provide school transcripts showing where my fiance' learned English, despite the numerous emails and IM conversations I had previously provided which were all in English...... I am still in the initial application stage, awaiting an NOA2, currently returned my first RFE.

This is Incorrect and misleading. Your doing a 129-F. They did'nt ask for Financials. Thats later. Your in NOA1 process with a 129-F. Not Financials at this time.

This is not misleading, this is what they asked for. I posted the copy of my RFE in the RFE section. I understand it sounds misleading, but, this IS what they asked for.....

I don't mean to keep disagreeing with this, but, I have to. I submitted every "required" piece of initial evidence in our application. I have a copy of EVERYTHING I submitted and I did not miss anything. I still got an RFE asking for not only initial evidence already submitted, but also documents such as my bank statements for two months prior and following each trip to see my fiance', statements from my parent's acknowledging the relationship, a letter from my employer indicating what my job title, pay rate and vacation status was throughout each of my trips. I had submitted my passport showing entrance and exit from the country, also hotel receipts and airline purchases. I have now had to submit my credit card statements showing I paid for my own trips. Believe me, I am a very type A personality when it comes to paperwork and I did not miss dotting one "i" or crossing one "t" because I went back and rechecked everything I had submitted when I got my RFE.

I am not upset about the RFE process, I understand it is a necessary part of USCIS doing their job. What I am upset about is people saying that if I had submitted everything properly I would not have gotten an RFE. My case is "exceptional" for whatever reason and I will do what they ask of me because we have nothing to hide. I just don't agree that every case is as simple as supplying the required documents........

Read your post yesterday... you are dealing with a lot right now so very best wishes and hope your fiance recovers quickly from his accident.

Thanks Andie, I know everyone is struggling being apart from the one they love. The end of this journey will all be worth it in the end:)

This is incorrect and hurtful. I double and triple checked my package against the guides and stickies here, posted questions, researched everything.

I got an RFE requesting a passport photo of myself, even though I had sent the two requested with the original petition. They must have lost the first round of photos.

Also, as Martin and Tricia posted, they got an RFE for a birth certificate even though they sent it with the original package. VSC lost it.

These RFEs are not our fault, which makes me suspicious VSC is just doing anything to buy time. Please do not post your incorrect judgments.

You are right, this is incorrect, hurtful and not the purpose of this board from what I understand. We should be here to help each other, not try to make each other feel like idiots. There are certain situations which can result in an RFE even if everything has been done correctly, and at times, since we are ALL human, mistakes can be made on both ends......

People make mistakes. Nobody's perfect. No need to make them feel worse than they already do.

I agree, and in some cases, even when doing everything "right", an RFE can still be issued...... We are all trying our best here, nobody is perfect!

The Guides and the Sticky Notes at the top of this forum are very clear and detailed as to what documents they want.

If you follow these and provide these, you should have no issues. Don't follow them or not provide what they state they want and you will have issues.

I provided what the guides indicated the first time around, apparently either not enough of it, or not what they were looking for. Believe me, I have done my research on this board........

I just resubmitted all of our previous documents along with the requested information for our RFE, including financial documents they requested. I was unable to attach my fiance's school transcript showing where he learned English due to his car accident on Sunday, but, other than that, everything is in there. It ended up being a "box" because all of the documents would not fit in the envelope. I am hoping they have everything they need now to prove we have a "bona fide" relationship. I still don't understand what makes a relationship "bona fide" in their eyes, but, understand the need to give them what they are asking for to determine this. I am just frazzled and feel like crying because I am so worried we did something wrong again and this whole process will be delayed further. Asking for prayers please, thank you to everyone who has assisted us, I really appreciate it......

First, let me say that I hope your fiance has a speedy recovery! What an awwful thing to happen.

Were you given a phone number on the RFE paperwork? Perhaps you could call and ask for an extension given the circumstances? If you don't have a phone number, perhaps contacting the USCIS main number would help. Lastly, if none of the above are possible, you can send in the paperwork that you have and a letter explaining why you do not yet have the additional information requested. If possible, provide an approximate date for when these documents will be available to send.

On another note, I find it strange that they are asking if your fiance speaks English when you have emails from him written in English.

Yeah, I found it odd they were requesting the language stuff also, but, I am trying to do everything they are asking of me whether it makes sense to me or not:) I will try to call USCIS, the last time I did it was a disaster, talked to someone who basically talked about the website for 20 minutes before finally passing me on to someone who answered my actual question.

Thank you for the speedy recovery wishes, it is so hard to be apart when something like this is happening.......

send in the information you have. See if you can order his school transcript if posible. State the reason why you may not be able to provide the answer in the required RFE. If you have any details, information, which can also show he is in the hospital this will help as well. State, if needed, when available, you will get his transcripts to prove it. Also, if you plan to learn his native language, state so, and where you plan to go to school to learn.

Best of luck to you.

Okay, I have a picture of him all banged up in the hospital so I will attach that if I am unable to get the transcript myself. I sent an email to his university asking what the procedure is. Thank you.....

Hello all,

We received an RFE in our case and were in the process of gathering all the documents. The majority of the information they requested was information I had to obtain, however, there was a section of the RFE which asked if I knew my fiance's language (arabic), or if he knew my language (english) and if so, to provide certified school transcripts showing how we learned this. I do not know arabic, he knows English and learned it at the university he attended. All of our conversations via email, MSN, skype, Blackberry messenger have all been in English. He was in a horrible car accident last night and fractured his neck, is in the hospital, in a neck brace and I do not know when he will be getting out of the hospital. It is horrible. Anyhow, I don't know what to do, I am leaving for NYC for work on Friday and will not return until the 18th. Our paperwork is supposed to be back to the CSC by May 22nd. Should I send the RFE in without the school transcript or notarized affidavit from him, or should I wait until the 18th hoping he may be able to find someone else to get these documents for him and take the chance it doesn't arrive there on time? I am such a mess right now trying to know what the best thing to do is:(

Jana

For the petition stage, you need to supply enough evidence to satisfy the requirements as listed in the form instructions. If you receive an RFE, is mean you failed to satisfy one of those requirements, and therefore, did not meet the minimal requirement. As far as further down the road, the DOS guidelines do state that at least six photos, letters, emails, et cetera, are sufficient proof for any one requirement. Overloading should be avoided. Anything exceeding the requirements may not be forwarded for consulate review, and whether or not your best evidence makes the cut may be completely arbitrary.

FYI: I met every requirement of the initial stage, provided every bit of information they asked for. I provided emails, IM conversations, phone records, travel information, etc.. I met the requirements to prove we had met in person within the past 2 years. I was told photos are "secondary evidence" and need not be submitted so I did not as they were minimal. I am simply providing advice based on my experience.......