Dutch lawmakers offended by Rep. Lantos

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Dutch lawmakers offended by Rep. Lantos

By DESMOND BUTLER, Associated Press Writer

1 hour, 30 minutes ago

Dutch lawmakers who visited the Guantanamo Bay military prison this week said they were offended by a testy exchange in Washington with a senior congressional Democrat.

The lawmakers said that Rep. Tom Lantos, D-Calif., chairman of the House Foreign Affairs Committee, told them that "Europe was not as outraged by Auschwitz as by Guantanamo Bay."

Lantos, a Holocaust survivor, was responding to arguments that the United States should shut down the prison, located on a U.S. naval base in Cuba, the lawmakers said. Mariko Peter, a member of the Dutch Green Party, who began the exchange with Lantos, said she took notes of the remarks.

A Lantos aide said he realizes that the Guantanamo facility does harm to the reputation of the United States and has praised judges who ruled in favor of extending legal rights to prisoners. He has not, however, suggested that the prison be closed.

Before the Guantanamo exchange, the lawmakers had discussed a debate in the Netherlands about whether the country should maintain its 1,600 troops serving in NATO's Afghanistan operations.

"You have to help us, because if it was not for us you would now be a province of Nazi Germany," Lantos said, according to the Dutch lawmakers.

"The comments killed the debate," said Harry van Bommel, a member of the Socialist Party. "It was insulting and counterproductive."

A Lantos spokeswoman said Lantos was not available and had no comment.

The Dutch government soon will announce whether its troops will stay in the southern Afghan province of Uruzgan, where they recently have begun an anti-Taliban offensive backed by British and Afghan forces. Lantos has praised the Netherlands' contribution to the Afghan mission.

"It was a diplomatically strange situation," Peters said. "The mere suggestion that the United States could be compared with Nazi Germany is so flawed."

It was not the first time that Lantos had offended European political circles. In May, he lashed out at the former leaders of France and Germany. His comments, which included calling former German Chancellor Gerhard Schroeder a "political prostitute," provoked a rebuke from German Foreign Minister Frank-Walter Steinmeier.

The lawmakers, from the Dutch House of Representatives' Foreign Affairs Committee, were invited to visit Guantanamo and Washington by the U.S. ambassador to the Netherlands, Roland Arnall. The lawmakers also met senior Bush administration officials, including Deputy Secretary of State John Negroponte and Deputy Defense Secretary Gordon England.

Members of the delegation said they were given an extensive tour of the Guantanamo Bay prison, which has been heavily criticized by human rights groups.

Some of the lawmakers said that while they found the physical conditions of the prison acceptable, they remain concerned that prisoners were not being given proper legal treatment.

Most of the delegation called for the closing of Guantanamo.

"We have to close Guantanamo because it symbolizes for me everything that is wrong with this war on terror," Peters said.

But at least one member disagreed.

"Let's not forget we are in a state of war — not only the United States but also my country — with Islamic terrorists," said the far right Freedom Party leader, Geert Wilders. "I think we could only learn from Guantanamo."

A number of the members said that the United States should consult international institutions and other countries to answer some of the difficult quandaries about closing the facility.

"We need to work out an international deal on the future of Guantanamo Bay," said Hans van Baalen, of the Liberals, who led the delegation.

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Lantos seems to be a little "out there". I think he was one of the main people pushing the "Armenian Genocide" vote. He is a bit up in age and maybe that explains some of his behavior,but as a person who has actually been to Anne Frank's house/museum in Amsterdam,he is wrong to suggest the Dutch were not outraged by the Holocaust. People can be just as extreme to try and shut down legitimate debate. Memo to Lantos: All Europeans are not complicit in the Holocaust.

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Lantos seems to be a little "out there".

"We need to work out an international deal on the future of Guantanamo Bay," said Hans van Baalen, of the Liberals, who led the delegation.

Hans seems to be a little "out there" too.

Whether the international community likes Guantanamo or not, it's future doesn't ride on them. It's fate rides on what America decides is in its own national interest.

[Mr. Big Dog 10,747]

Lantos seems to be a little "out there".

"We need to work out an international deal on the future of Guantanamo Bay," said Hans van Baalen, of the Liberals, who led the delegation.

Hans seems to be a little "out there" too.

Whether the international community likes Guantanamo or not, it's future doesn't ride on them. It's fate rides on what America decides is in its own national interest.

Gitmo is most certainly not in the American national interest. Never has been, never will be. Some might want to pretend that it is but it really isn't. It's been a pisspoor idea from the beginning and continues to be a disgrace that reflects very poorly on America to this day.

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Lantos seems to be a little "out there".

"We need to work out an international deal on the future of Guantanamo Bay," said Hans van Baalen, of the Liberals, who led the delegation.

Hans seems to be a little "out there" too.

Whether the international community likes Guantanamo or not, it's future doesn't ride on them. It's fate rides on what America decides is in its own national interest.

Gitmo is most certainly not in the American national interest. Never has been, never will be. Some might want to pretend that it is but it really isn't. It's been a pisspoor idea from the beginning and continues to be a disgrace that reflects very poorly on America to this day.

I agree that it has been mismanaged. It cannot exist forever in its present form, but that doesn't mean it should be completely shut down.

The international community is free to express their opinion, but it is up to America to clean up its own mess in a form that is in our own national interest.

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Lantos seems to be a little "out there".

"We need to work out an international deal on the future of Guantanamo Bay," said Hans van Baalen, of the Liberals, who led the delegation.

Hans seems to be a little "out there" too.

Whether the international community likes Guantanamo or not, it's future doesn't ride on them. It's fate rides on what America decides is in its own national interest.

Gitmo is most certainly not in the American national interest. Never has been, never will be. Some might want to pretend that it is but it really isn't. It's been a pisspoor idea from the beginning and continues to be a disgrace that reflects very poorly on America to this day.

I agree that it has been mismanaged. It cannot exist forever in its present form, but that doesn't mean it should be completely shut down.

The international community is free to express their opinion, but it is up to America to clean up its own mess in a form that is in our own national interest.

Which is what this Dutch delegation did.

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He's a Holocaust survivor. Cut him some slack. Do people hate Jews that much?

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Disagreeing with the guy doesn't equate to anti-semitism, nor does it preclude the fact that, a holocaust survivor, war veteran, or indeed bereaved parent can hold views as eccentric as the next guy.

Tossing the Nazi comparison into the mix is something that is not only overused, but in a modern context - tends to be relatively cheap. Drawing a parallel between Gitmo and European guilt over the Holocaust doesn't do a greal deal to foster a constructive debate about modern issues.