Islam: a Plan for World Domination?

[Heracles 417]

Im talking about recent warfare not a defeated regime in WW2. Look at vietnam, on a microcosmic scale somalia and now as in Iraq... sorry but the US has lost already the goal of quashing Al queda has only concluded with the opposite effect.

Thanks.

Since you know how to count and use google, bravo, I have a question for you..

What should the US have done after 9/11??

What should they have done when presented with evidence, at the time, that Saddam was acquiring WMD and refused to cooperate with weapons inspectors??

[Dan J 277]

I am sure there are a lot of dead civilians who are very glad to hear that.

i'm sure a lot of our service men & woman would be thrilled to know you think of them as crazy barbarians. especially since they are fighting a war to keep your azz safe & free to bash them on an internet message board.

What makes an American life anymore valuable than a life of an Iraqi?

If the average American is more educated than the average Iraqi, his/her life is more valuable.

In an economic sense yes, but you could also make a case for the extermination of poor people. But ethically, you would run into trouble.

No, that's not the case you can make at all. In fact, rich people need poor people just as much poor people need the rich. It's symbiotic.

They do, but how many people realize that? Most people are just sick of being taxed to provide services to the poor and don't realize that its part of our economic system. If you take out the poor, others will become poor.

[Trumplestiltskin 5,791]

Sorry to inform you dan but Indonesia is a Muslim nation. Similar games played by middle eastern countries are also played by them. Many in the west are ignorant on what is really going on in the world. It's a dog eats dog world. Time the left realized that..

So, far from there being a threat to take over the world by Islam, we have a 'let's get them before they get us' policy from Boo-Yah? It's very interesting that not even the most extreme right wing politicians advocate these kind of foreign policies...

This morning it was something along the lines of how Chechnya should be "wiped off the map", which offended Almaty as his wife comes from there.

[w¡n9Nµ7 §£@¥€r 123]

Anyone seen Training Day?

There are wolves and there are sheep.

Will the United States be a wolf or a sheep?

Its always been a wolf. The problem today is that groups like Al Qaeda are good at baiting and trapping.

Yes, sometimes wolves attack each other, challenge each other for supremacy.

The solution involves staying a wolf. It does not involve becoming sheep.

I am sure there are a lot of dead civilians who are very glad to hear that.

i'm sure a lot of our service men & woman would be thrilled to know you think of them as crazy barbarians. especially since they are fighting a war to keep your azz safe & free to bash them on an internet message board.

What makes an American life anymore valuable than a life of an Iraqi?

If the average American is more educated than the average Iraqi, his/her life is more valuable.

In an economic sense yes, but you could also make a case for the extermination of poor people. But ethically, you would run into trouble.

No, that's not the case you can make at all. In fact, rich people need poor people just as much poor people need the rich. It's symbiotic.

They do, but how many people realize that? Most people are just sick of being taxed to provide services to the poor and don't realize that its part of our economic system. If you take out the poor, others will become poor.

lol if it wasn't almost 1am, we could have taken this thread on a whole new tangent!

[Trumplestiltskin 5,791]

Anyone seen Training Day?

There are wolves and there are sheep.

Will the United States be a wolf or a sheep?

Its always been a wolf. The problem today is that groups like Al Qaeda are good at baiting and trapping.

Yes, sometimes wolves attack each other, challenge each other for supremacy.

The solution involves staying a wolf. It does not involve becoming sheep.

Sure - but as far as we can take that analogy - when you apply it to the 1953 Iranian Coup, and the situation in that country today I'd say that's an argument for at least some sort of moderation in our approach to foreign policy.

[The_dip_sticks 0]

Im talking about recent warfare not a defeated regime in WW2. Look at vietnam, on a microcosmic scale somalia and now as in Iraq... sorry but the US has lost already the goal of quashing Al queda has only concluded with the opposite effect.

Thanks.

Since you know how to count and use google, bravo, I have a question for you..

What should the US have done after 9/11??

What should they have done when presented with evidence, at the time, that Saddam was acquiring WMD and refused to cooperate with weapons inspectors??

US should have gone after the guy who comitted 9/11 Osama bin laden!, apperantly he's still happily making videos for us.

EVIDENCE????... I just pasted a video showing COLIN POWEL admitting in 2001 that iraq had no WMD's. Not evidence more like a lie.

All im saying is Iraq didnt deserve to get attacked. Simple!

[w¡n9Nµ7 §£@¥€r 123]

Anyone seen Training Day?

There are wolves and there are sheep.

Will the United States be a wolf or a sheep?

Its always been a wolf. The problem today is that groups like Al Qaeda are good at baiting and trapping.

Yes, sometimes wolves attack each other, challenge each other for supremacy.

The solution involves staying a wolf. It does not involve becoming sheep.

Sure - but as far as we can take that analogy - when you apply it to the 1953 Iranian Coup, and the situation in that country today I'd say that's an argument for at least some sort of moderation in our approach to foreign policy.

We challenged another wolf and the other wolf bit back. It happens.

[Peikko 1,575]

What should the US have done after 9/11??

What should they have done when presented with evidence, at the time, that Saddam was acquiring WMD and refused to cooperate with weapons inspectors??

In that context, what are you suggesting the conflict in Iraq has achieved in terms of making the world a safer place?

I won't bother with the other question, it's pointless.

[Dan J 277]

Sorry to inform you dan but Indonesia is a Muslim nation. Similar games played by middle eastern countries are also played by them. Many in the west are ignorant on what is really going on in the world. It's a dog eats dog world. Time the left realized that..

So, far from there being a threat to take over the world by Islam, we have a 'let's get them before they get us' policy from Boo-Yah? It's very interesting that not even the most extreme right wing politicians advocate these kind of foreign policies...

Maybe if bo-yah would actually go to Indonesia or Malaysia he would realize that those countries are not exclusively Muslim. Indonesia is about 85% Muslim with the rest being Christian, Hindu or Buddhist. In fact many of the traditions of the country are not Muslim at all, but date back to the Hindu or Buddhist periods of the country.

[Heracles 417]

Just because the other side isn't part of it, doesn't release us from our responsibilities under the Geneva convention.

But because we are a state, and part of international law, our actions within those laws can affect our relationships with other countries. We take out the nukes? there will be hell to pay. Not only that, you will basically destroy relationships with any Arab country, which will cut us off for significant supplies of oil. An action that would have costs beyond the battlefield.

Any significant action in violation of international law on our part will have repercussions all across the middle east, and likely the world.

Lol. The Arab world hates and will America no matter what. It did so prior to going to Iraq. Hence sept/11. We have just become fools and are being played by them. So many on the left prefer to deny the constant threats and their use of violence to intimidate us..

Lets take Indonesia for example. Indonesia warmly welcomed Australia's $200 million to protect their forests but has asked for more. All while they just spent $1.2 billion on new military hardware. Point being, the naive need to wake up and smell the coffee and games others are playing..

What does Indonesia have to do with this? Going on a wild tangent again?

We have allies in the region, they give us oil. If we do some really stupid stuff like violate the rules of war on our end. We get no more oil.

Sorry to inform you dan but Indonesia is a Muslim nation. Similar games played by middle eastern countries are also played by them. Many in the west are ignorant on what is really going on in the world. It's a dog eats dog world. Time the left realized that..

Yes but what does Indonesia have to do with Iraq? Other than being opposed to the war like the rest of the world?

um the original post is about Islam and world domination. I never realized how black and white people see stuff. Coming from a nation where 1 in 4 citizens was born overseas; I have seen my fair share of differences in thinking based on various cultures. But anyway lets not go into that otherwise its complexity will be seen as a wild tangent..

[w¡n9Nµ7 §£@¥€r 123]

But both countries military establishments are very Muslim.

[Heracles 417]

Im talking about recent warfare not a defeated regime in WW2. Look at vietnam, on a microcosmic scale somalia and now as in Iraq... sorry but the US has lost already the goal of quashing Al queda has only concluded with the opposite effect.

Thanks.

Since you know how to count and use google, bravo, I have a question for you..

What should the US have done after 9/11??

What should they have done when presented with evidence, at the time, that Saddam was acquiring WMD and refused to cooperate with weapons inspectors??

US should have gone after the guy who comitted 9/11 Osama bin laden!, apperantly he's still happily making videos for us.

EVIDENCE????... I just pasted a video showing COLIN POWEL admitting in 2001 that iraq had no WMD's. Not evidence more like a lie.

All im saying is Iraq didnt deserve to get attacked. Simple!

How should the capture osama when apparently once they enter another nation they are branded imperialist oil hungry pigs???

If you said Iraq was a mistake. I would agree with that. Not because it is taking so long but because it is a huge waste of time.

The evidence on WMD was released in 2002. So naturally any opinion prior to that, eg Powell's statement in 2001, was based on the evidence available back then. Yes we now know that the new evidence was wrong. Therefore, in hindsight, we should not have gone to war

Edited September 13, 2007 by Boo-Yah!

[Trumplestiltskin 5,791]

The evidence on WMD was released in 2002. So naturally any opinion prior to that was based on the evidence available back then. Yes we now know that the new evidence was wrong. Therefore, in hindsight, we should not have gone to war

Dunno I remember a fair degree of scepticism during the run-up - when it was painfully obvious that the US and UK were merely going through the motions to push ahead with a policy that was pre-determined, and nothing the UN Inspectors or anyone else said would have made changed it.

[Heracles 417]

Sorry to inform you dan but Indonesia is a Muslim nation. Similar games played by middle eastern countries are also played by them. Many in the west are ignorant on what is really going on in the world. It's a dog eats dog world. Time the left realized that..

So, far from there being a threat to take over the world by Islam, we have a 'let's get them before they get us' policy from Boo-Yah? It's very interesting that not even the most extreme right wing politicians advocate these kind of foreign policies...

Sorry to burst your bubble PH but sept 11 was a clear indication to me that their words should not be taken lightly..

[Peikko 1,575]

Agreed.

Boo-Yah seems to have a schizophrenic attitude to foreign policy though. On the one hand, he seems to advocate that the US leaves other countries to fight their own battles and not rely on the US for support, but on the other he thinks that the US shouldn't allow itself to be bullied and should take the fight to 'them'. I am therefore a little confused as to what he's actually advocating in terms of policy, apart from West is best.

Edited September 13, 2007 by Purple_Hibiscus