A qusestion to men who would pay for sex...

[Trumplestiltskin 5,791]

Really? Have you spent time with prostitutes? Do you know guys, other than your ex-friend, who've used prostitutes?

Or are you, once again, basing your "knowledge" on what you read on the internet?

There are plenty of "industry" forums out there, as I've discovered. I don't see why that should be invalid.

So far you've made a few vague references to "knowing prostitutes" but given that your interest in the subject begins and ends at the financial transaction, I'd say you're a rather poor source of authoritative information.

[Trumplestiltskin 5,791]

No, but I'm also quite shy about such things anyway.

I don't it's a question of being shy, it's a question of having self-respect and respect for the person you married to not use them in a disrespectful manner.

[slim 1,533]

There are plenty of "industry" forums out there, as I've discovered. I don't see why that should be invalid.

It's not invalid... it's just not correct.

So far you've made a few vague references to "knowing prostitutes" but given that your interest in the subject begins and ends at the financial transaction, I'd say you're a rather poor source of authoritative information.

You may not agree with it, but that's what it comes down to is the presence of a financial transaction. Other than that... it's just a car ride!

I don't it's a question of being shy, it's a question of having self-respect and respect for the person you married to not use them in a disrespectful manner.

So if someone asks you a question and you don't like the answer to it or deem it morally objectionable you'd rather change your answer or not reply?

Integrity. It's what's for dinner!

[Trumplestiltskin 5,791]

It's not invalid... it's just not correct.

How is it not correct? How is referring to the experience of others who have used/use prostitutes invalid in a discussion of prostitution?

You may not agree with it, but that's what it comes down to is the presence of a financial transaction. Other than that... it's just a car ride!

Who needs ethics when you have money, eh?

You aren't interested in the ethical aspects of prostitution. All you appear to be interested in is the basic concept of paying for sex.

If money is the root of all these issues, then why to you take idealistic positions on anything?

So if someone asks you a question and you don't like the answer to it or deem it morally objectionable you'd rather change your answer or not reply?

Integrity. It's what's for dinner!

Let's be clear here - you make insulting references to your own spouse as ammunition for a petty argument you have with a couple of people on this board.

Just doesn't seem justifiable somehow. Integrity indeed.

[slim 1,533]

How is it not correct? How is referring to the experience of others who have used/use prostitutes invalid in a discussion of prostitution?

I'll tell you what... I'll allow it in this argument. But, next time we're debating something and you guys hit me with the "you can't say that because you don't know" I'll remind you of this thread.

Who needs ethics when you have money, eh?

You aren't interested in the ethical aspects of prostitution. All you appear to be interested in is the basic concept of paying for sex.

If money is the root of all these issues, then why to you take idealistic positions on anything?

In the OP it was assumed that men who would pay for sex are answering a question about a world where prostitution is legal. I would think the ethics had been worked out at that point and also money would be pretty much a given as part of the deal.

Let's be clear here - you make insulting references to your own spouse as ammunition for a petty argument you have with a couple of people on this board.

Just doesn't seem justifiable somehow. Integrity indeed.

How was anything I posted insulting? I said money makes her horny. I've yet to meet a woman who doesn't get horny over money. My wife simply says it aloud and that's insulting to her? Offensive to you?

[elmcitymaven 9,712]

I've yet to meet a woman who doesn't get horny over money.

Well, granted you haven't actually met me, but I can assure you money does NOT make me horny. The thought of a thorough seeing to, now THAT makes me horny.

[slim 1,533]

Well, granted you haven't actually met me, but I can assure you money does NOT make me horny. The thought of a thorough seeing to, now THAT makes me horny.

While you were "sampling" the guys in college, did you ever sample one who was, say, pre-med and say, "maybe I should give him more of a chance than this guy who's not in college."?

I wish I had a dollar for every time I heard a woman say, "I really like him... but HE has a great job."

[Trumplestiltskin 5,791]

I'll tell you what... I'll allow it in this argument. But, next time we're debating something and you guys hit me with the "you can't say that because you don't know" I'll remind you of this thread.

Let's not forget you're the guy who states matters of opinion as outright fact and then refuses point blank to support your argument with... anything. Convincing it wasn't.

Given that prostitution relies on qualitative data (in other words individual statement and testimony), it is entirely correct to make use of it. That, BTW - is more than you offered.

Anything else is just pettiness on your part.

In the OP it was assumed that men who would pay for sex are answering a question about a world where prostitution is legal. I would think the ethics had been worked out at that point and also money would be pretty much a given as part of the deal.

As I pointed out before - there is a fundamental difference between ethics and the law. The law might permit prostitution because it is practical to do so and because it is assumed that law enforcement cannot stop it and doing so is a waste of money as resources. That doesn't mean that the individual has no ethical obligations to himself.

How was anything I posted insulting? I said money makes her horny. I've yet to meet a woman who doesn't get horny over money. My wife simply says it aloud and that's insulting to her? Offensive to you?

Making crude references to your wife should be offensive to you, it isn't to me - it's just indicative of some sort of character flaw.

[elmcitymaven 9,712]

While you were "sampling" the guys in college, did you ever sample one who was, say, pre-med and say, "maybe I should give him more of a chance than this guy who's not in college."?

I wish I had a dollar for every time I heard a woman say, "I really like him... but HE has a great job."

Nope. I went to a university that did not allow pre-med as a major anyway, but no. I have always been attracted to the historians, philosophers, artists and musicians of this world. I make the money; if they can contribute, that's good since it makes life easier for us both. If he makes more, that's nice too. Less, also okay. I'm more interested in having my mind and body nurtured than acquiring sh!t.

[Trumplestiltskin 5,791]

Slim, have you only ever known women who were materialistic?

[Empress of Groovy 373]

It's all about the skillz, not the $$.

[slim 1,533]

Let's not forget you're the guy who states matters of opinion as outright fact and then refuses point blank to support your argument with... anything. Convincing it wasn't.

Given that prostitution relies on qualitative data (in other words individual statement and testimony), it is entirely correct to make use of it. That, BTW - is more than you offered.

Anything else is just pettiness on your part.

So basically what you're saying is because you can look something up on the internet - you're an expert on everything?

As I pointed out before - there is a fundamental difference between ethics and the law. The law might permit prostitution because it is practical to do so and because it is assumed that law enforcement cannot stop it and doing so is a waste of money as resources. That doesn't mean that the individual has no ethical obligations to himself.

The semi-ethical question in this thread (which I'm still somewhat surprised you're in because it plainly says "men who would pay for sex") is whether someone would be happy if their daughter was a prostitute. You haven't even been anywhere near an answer to that because you've plainly said the prostitute isn't judged. Care to answer the question instead of doing your best to persuade others why their opinions are wrong?

Making crude references to your wife should be offensive to you, it isn't to me - it's just indicative of some sort of character flaw.

It's funny how anyone who posts something disagreeable to you has a character flaw.

Also, I didn't post anything crude about my wife. I said money makes her horny.

Nope. I went to a university that did not allow pre-med as a major anyway, but no. I have always been attracted to the historians, philosophers, artists and musicians of this world. I make the money; if they can contribute, that's good since it makes life easier for us both. If he makes more, that's nice too. Less, also okay. I'm more interested in having my mind and body nurtured than acquiring sh!t.

Interesting that someone who takes care of themself financially also takes care of their own sexual gratification. Hmmm.

Slim, have you only ever known women who were materialistic?

No, but they tend to have the best pu$$y. It's always the crazy ones!

[elmcitymaven 9,712]

Interesting that someone who takes care of themself financially also takes care of their own sexual gratification. Hmmm.

No, but they tend to have the best pu$y. It's always the crazy ones!

Honestly, I've never had any complaints about my skillz, although some might have questioned my sanity on occasion.

I'm not sure where you're going with your comment about how I take care of my needs, except perhaps that I am someone who knows what she wants and goes for it.

[Trumplestiltskin 5,791]

So basically what you're saying is because you can look something up on the internet - you're an expert on everything?

I never claimed to be an expert. Neither have you for that matter.

The semi-ethical question in this thread (which I'm still somewhat surprised you're in because it plainly says "men who would pay for sex") is whether someone would be happy if their daughter was a prostitute. You haven't even been anywhere near an answer to that because you've plainly said the prostitute isn't judged. Care to answer the question instead of doing your best to persuade others why their opinions are wrong?

Actually I answered that question much earlier in the thread - it's moved on since then. But just for you: I wouldn't pay for sex. I wouldn't want my daughter to be a prostitute - I certainly wouldn't be happy about it.

It's funny how anyone who posts something disagreeable to you has a character flaw.

You validate yourself by trashing women. I'd say that is most definitely indicative of a character flaw.

Also, I didn't post anything crude about my wife. I said money makes her horny.

Yes, you did. As far as that goes - you seem to have no understanding of the implication of your words.

No, but they tend to have the best pu$$y. It's always the crazy ones!

As I said... clearly a character flaw.

[Peikko 1,575]

You act like your sacred honor is in question here on VJ. Do you really worry that much about what others think about you? I mean, we're here in an anonymous forum and you're worried if someone doesn't like you or disagrees with you.

Really? Have you spent time with prostitutes? Do you know guys, other than your ex-friend, who've used prostitutes?

Or are you, once again, basing your "knowledge" on what you read on the internet?

I doubt it too.

Not at all, it's got nothing to do with worrying what people think about me. What I am surprised at is that would come up with something like that, let alone post it, no matter what the truth is. However, if it's not true, it's not true - you decide if it was worth it or not.

Edited July 27, 2010 by Madame Cleo