A qusestion to men who would pay for sex...

[Amby 490]

In Russia the Soviet government ran "Sparrow School" to train women to be prostitutes. Since the Soviet Union disolved it is now a privately run school to teach women how to care for the sexual needs of men. Some are prostitutes, some are women that want to please their husbands. The KGB and, now, FSB are some of their best clients. Heaven only knows HOW we ever won the cold war!

Is that the school you wnet to?

I don't know anymore

[Amby 490]

What happens if you're into oral, but your partner is not (or vice versa)? Is the relationship necessarily doomed?

yes...eventually

[Trumplestiltskin 5,791]

Sexual incompatibility is why a lot of relationships fail.

[Amby 490]

Some girls just love it.

and some just do it because they care about the person and want to do something nice for them

[I AM NOT THAT GUY 5,715]

and some just do it because they care about the person and want to do something nice for them

If it is somebody I care about, the notion that I am getting a ####### out of some sense of moral obligation is a big turn off for me. There have been enough folks that have enjoyed giving me head to know the difference.

[Amby 490]

If it is somebody I care about, the notion that I am getting a ####### out of some sense of moral obligation is a big turn off for me. There have been enough folks that have enjoyed giving me head to know the difference.

I care about the #######. I was just offering an alternative for Mark

[Peikko 1,575]

Obsession over the bj. Seriously though, my point was quite clear, if a man who does not care about the sexual appetites of his partner in a non=financial sexual transaction is selfish and I would argue emotionally dysfunctional (which I would term unethical in this regard) - and vice versa, although I am betting that it is less common for a woman to use a man for sex without caring if he derives pleasure from it or not.

[Peikko 1,575]

Again, you're mixing up legality and morality.

They are mixed up together - making murder illegal reinforces a moral position that taking life without due cause is immoral. Imagine if every time a killing occurred the response from the general public was "not my business, I would never kill someone under those circumstances, I would not consider it ethical, but everyone must make their own choices as to what is or is not moral when it comes to killing"?

However, I am not suggesting that it is sensible or in the best interests of prostitutes to maintain the status quo in the US. Making prostitution legal would probably ensure that those who engage in the work were more protected and it would be easier to determine that the prostitute at least at a baic level did make a CHOICE to become a prostitute.

[I AM NOT THAT GUY 5,715]

Obsession over the bj. Seriously though, my point was quite clear, if a man who does not care about the sexual appetites of his partner in a non=financial sexual transaction is selfish and I would argue emotionally dysfunctional (which I would term unethical in this regard) - and vice versa, although I am betting that it is less common for a woman to use a man for sex without caring if he derives pleasure from it or not.

The entire population of male worms will be disappointed to hear that!

Edited July 25, 2010 by ##########

[Peikko 1,575]

The entire population of male worms will be disappointed to hear that!

OMG!!!! Posting such pictures on a SUNDAY? I'm telling your mom!

[elmcitymaven 9,712]

I am betting that it is less common for a woman to use a man for sex without caring if he derives pleasure from it or not.

I went through a phase in college when I used men because I could, and didn't really care what my partner felt. It was titillating to begin with, but after a while I felt pretty empty and just felt like a b!tch. And not in a good way. I think you're absolutely right -- a woman can do this to a greater or lesser extent, but we're hardwired to want to make a greater connection with our partner, even just during the act of having sex. Of course, I'm just talking about non-pros here only.

[justashooter 430]

Well carry on and convince me that a man that pays for sex isn't viewing a prostitute merely as an object of gratification? Or, alternatively, explain to me how having men viewing prostitutes as objects of gratification doesn't devalue women per se? I think DeDixon did a great job of explaining exactly how dehumanized prostitutes become while plying their trade. Explain to me how that's a reasonable exchange for the money that they earn through their working lives?

oh ye of small minds.

in some cultures the tradition of concubinage is alive and well in a modified and condensed sense. young women take it up in order to fund their college years, leaving it once a viable alternative is within their grasp. engaging in business with them is not dehumanising them, as they are not in a situation such as the average crack addicted meth ####### stereotyped as a US inner city prostitute. they are exactly the opposite; articulate, well groomed, and well cared for women who set their own schedules and live a better lifestyle than their agemates. the arrangement meets their temporary economic needs, and they do not view the process with distaste. most of them actually see it as a fun and easy way to afford a lifestyle that is otherwise out of their reach, and enjoy the late night dinners and dancing that are part of the process, as well as the comfortable lifestyle of their paying partners, which always far exceeds their own.

[Trumplestiltskin 5,791]

oh ye of small minds.

in some cultures the tradition of concubinage is alive and well in a modified and condensed sense. young women take it up in order to fund their college years, leaving it once a viable alternative is within their grasp. engaging in business with them is not dehumanising them, as they are not in a situation such as the average crack addicted meth ####### stereotyped as a US inner city prostitute. they are exactly the opposite; articulate, well groomed, and well cared for women who set their own schedules and live a better lifestyle than their agemates. the arrangement meets their temporary economic needs, and they do not view the process with distaste. most of them actually see it as a fun and easy way to afford a lifestyle that is otherwise out of their reach, and enjoy the late night dinners and dancing that are part of the process, as well as the comfortable lifestyle of their paying partners, which always far exceeds their own.

So why would a man in "some cultures" utilise the services of a prostitute? What is he - some kind of social reject loser?

[justashooter 430]

So why would a man in "some cultures" utilise the services of a prostitute? What is he - some kind of social reject loser?

actually, quite the opposite. men of higher standing have concubines i such cultures. it is a status symbol, of sorts. this is why the girls attend late night business dinners with their sponsors.

[Trumplestiltskin 5,791]

actually, quite the opposite. men of higher standing have concubines i such cultures. it is a status symbol, of sorts. this is why the girls attend late night business dinners with their sponsors.

Men of "Higher Standing" eh? So this status symbol involves the collect of women for the purpose of appearances. Does the man of "Higher Standing" actually place any emotional value in these women or are they simply commodities to be traded and dispensed with when they are no longer interesting?