Australia may adopt a charter of human rights

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Battle lines were drawn yesterday for a fierce political debate after the government's hand-picked committee said Australia should adopt a charter of human rights and give the High Court power to declare laws incompatible.

The Human Rights Consultation panel ... urged a comprehensive audit of "all federal legislation, policies and practices" to ensure compliance with international human rights obligations.

Their report also said there should be a "statement of compatibility" attached to all new legislation, heightened scrutiny via a new parliamentary committee and a federal human rights minister.

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Civil and political rights, including the right to life, a fair trial, and freedom from torture or coercion in relation to religion, could be the subject of litigation.

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Senator Brandis fumed at the idea of a charter that would involve the courts. "This recommendation is the ultimate triumph of the elites. The government should reject it ..." he said.

"Any statutory charter of rights would bring about the most important de facto alteration to Australia's system of government in our history, by transferring the ultimate decision-making power on a wide range of politically controversial issues from elected parliaments to unelected judges."

http://www.theaustralian.news.com.au/busin...1-17044,00.html

[Heracles 417]

Excluding this small insignificant ALCU equivalent, I doubt you will find anyone who wants the supreme court deciding the fate of the country, as it does here.

People want the power in their hand as we get to vote for leaders, rather than unelected judges who have their own agenda. After all, this is why Australia has been able to avoid many of the US's perils because the politicians are able to amend laws overnight.

I'll burn the country down myself, the day they hand over power to the courts like the US did. Talk about epic fail.

Edited October 8, 2009 by Booyah!

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... the politicians are able to amend laws overnight.

Not for long. Pretty soon you guys will have a human rights charter with oversight by unelected judges

This is how it begins.

[Heracles 417]

Not for long. Pretty soon you guys will have a human rights charter with oversight by unelected judges

This is how it begins.

I don't think you get it. Aus is not America, as such, groups like the ACLU do exist there but are insignificant. The thought that the people and leaders will give up their constitutionally protected powers to the courts is the day the country seizes to exist.

Half of this country's problems are a direct result of ACLU pushed court rulings.

Edited October 8, 2009 by Booyah!

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Not for long. Pretty soon you guys will have a human rights charter with oversight by unelected judges

This is how it begins.

I don't think you get it. Aus is not America, as such, groups like the ACLU do exist there but are insignificant. The thought that the people and leaders will give up their constitutionally protected powers to the courts is the day the country seizes to exist.

Half of this country's problems are a direct result of ACLU pushed court rulings.

I do get it. You don't. Australia is headed in the direction of having an ACLU. Read the article. It's clear as day.

Eventually, Australians will have human rights with organizations like the ACLU to make sure no government tramples on them... and you will be better off for it

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I do get it. You don't. Australia is headed in the direction of having an ACLU. Read the article. It's clear as day.

Eventually, Australians will have human rights with organizations like the ACLU to make sure no government tramples on them... and you will be better off for it

Better off like the US? Where a person has the freedom to harm someone or molest a child but people don't have the freedom to live freely. Where kids don't have the freedom to walk home from school without being beaten to death. That is lunacy by an other international standard. God help anyone if the police tried to be proactive in this country. As I reminded your bud scan, conservatives in Aus are all wealthy and highly educated.

You also realize Australia is the only developed country that does not have a bill of rights. ALCU would cry murder here. Hmm strange that they win so many awards from the UN. Many of the practices that are not permitted here are in action there. Including most downtowns having corner to corner 24/7 surveillance.

Edited October 8, 2009 by Booyah!

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You also realize Australia is the only developed country that does not have a bill of rights.

Not for long.

[Trumplestiltskin 5,791]

Not having a bill of rights is pretty dodgy, imo.

Surely its better to put your trust in the judicial system over issues of individual or constitutional rights than in the supposed benevolence of cynical politicians. I wonder if Australia has ever elected a Joe McCarthy or Enoch Powell type into office... Give those guys an inch and they'll bite your arm off at the shoulder.

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It seems to be working quite well for them and they're certianly internationally recognized for human development and democracy.

To the contrary, you have a country like the US, broken down into various levels of government, that only maneuver themselves based on rights laws. All while the country has become a crime ridden hotspot. 100 people from Chicago died in Iraq this, while during the same time 300 kids have been killed on the streets. Not to mention the gangs that are practically lawless. So you tell me, whose approach is working best?

Before you say they are not related, they are related. Politicians are able to enact laws to deal with the problems and issues at hand. One major gang fight in Sydney lead to a totally revamped law to eradicate this behavior, enacted overnight. Whereas, cities and counties in the US are battling change, battling to protect people's dwindling actual freedom and safety, against ACLU's and co daily. A group whose sole purpose is to determine whether something is constitutional or not. That is lunacy. That is also why almost one kid is dying each day, in Chicago alone. It's we the people who decide the fate of the country there, not the ACLU or the courts. How has this worked out for them? refer to the first sentence.

Edited October 8, 2009 by Booyah!

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It seems to be working quite well for them ...

I guess that explains the current momentum towards adopting a charter of human rights?

[Trumplestiltskin 5,791]

I guess BY is on the Jackboot side of the fence.

Authoritarian government. Marvellous!

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I guess BY is on the Jackboot side of the fence.

Authoritarian government. Marvellous!

I think BY's talking points about Australia not having a bill of rights are about to go up in a poof of dust.

[Trumplestiltskin 5,791]

I guess BY is on the Jackboot side of the fence.

Authoritarian government. Marvellous!

I think BY's talking points about Australia not having a bill of rights are about to go up in a poof of dust.

Then it will be time to move to Switzerland, where they put up billboard posters telling immigrants to ** off.

Edited October 8, 2009 by Gene Hunt

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I guess BY is on the Jackboot side of the fence.

Authoritarian government. Marvellous!

I think BY's talking points about Australia not having a bill of rights are about to go up in a poof of dust.

Then it will be time to move to Switzerland, where they put up billboard posters telling immigrants to ** off.

sweeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeet.

[spookyturtle 9,466]

AJ, I beat you to it by 12 hours. Of course when I did it I was accused of baiting and spamming.

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