More than 200 U.S. citizens killed in Mexico since '04

[Trumplestiltskin 5,791]

BY - why stop there, lets ask ourselves how many Americans have been killed in Sudan or Congo.

Your reasoning just gets weirder and weirder.

[Heracles 417]

"Hmm, I cannot think of one place in Australia you can go to and consequently lose your life"

I'm still waiting on my response as well, look up in case you have forgotten...

Since you obviously know better than I do what I meant by that, go ahead and tell me what it is..

[Chica Yeyé 41]

Tourists being killed in Mexico = fact.

Solution = go vacation elsewhere. OR research where the blip you are partying out at night.

Quite simple, really.

[Trumplestiltskin 5,791]

[Heracles 417]

BY - why stop there, lets ask ourselves how many Americans have been killed in Sudan or Congo.

Your reasoning just gets weirder and weirder.

Well for a starter the article was about Mexico. Then as your fellow Joise bud put it, a thread may develop on from the OP. With that in mind, I responded to both you and Len who implied that it is basically the same story everywhere. Which of course that point in itself has nothing to do with the original article, being that the original article does not discuss no-go zones or other countries.

But anyway, I then proceeded to rebut both you and Len to say well your opinions are not entirely true as stuff like this is clearly neither the norm or common in countries like Australia for example. Meaning for American tourists visiting Australia. You guys then brought up Palm island which apparently is supposed to represent Australia even though it has 0.000000000001% of Australia's population living there.

Yet my reasoning is the one getting weirder.

Edited February 9, 2009 by Aficionado

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We can all agree Mexico sucks.... even the mexicans will agree

[Trumplestiltskin 5,791]

BY - why stop there, lets ask ourselves how many Americans have been killed in Sudan or Congo.

Your reasoning just gets weirder and weirder.

Well for a starter the article was about Mexico. Then as your fellow Joise bud put it, a thread may develop on from the OP. With that in mind, I responded to both you and Len who implied that it is basically the same story everywhere. Which of course that point in itself has nothing to do with the original article, being that the original article does not discuss no-go zones or other countries.

But anyway, I then proceeded to rebut both you and Len to say well your opinions are not entirely true as stuff like this is clearly not the norm, or common, in Australia for example. Meaning for American tourists visiting Australia. You guys then brought up Palm island which apparently is supposed to represent Australia even though it has 0.000000000001% of Australia's population living there.

Yet my reasoning is the one getting weirder.

I must have missed the implication. The only point we made (and reiterated) was that when in an unfamiliar country it pays to be aware of one's surroundings.

Here's my opinion - you read what you wanted to read so that you could yipyap about Australia's superiority.

Edited February 9, 2009 by Paul Daniels

[Heracles 417]

Still waiting Tävôdumbô...

That's great and all but I am still waiting on your response to the following: By the way, I checked out Palm island and did not find one case of the following.

Here are the points from the OP.

To what degree do incidents like these occur in Australia or to American citizens in Australia?

How frequently does some of the following occur in the US, as stated by PD?

• More than 200 U.S. citizens have been slain in Mexico’s escalating wave of violence since 2004 — an average of nearly one killing a week
• More U.S. citizens suffered unnatural deaths in Mexico than in any other foreign country
• Most died in the recent outbreaks of violence in border cities — Tijuana, Ciudad Juarez and Nuevo Laredo.
• Juarez last year ranked among the world’s most murderous cities.
• But in at least 70 other cases, U.S. citizens appear to have been killed while in Mexico for innocent reasons: visiting family, taking a vacation, or simply living or working there.
• Across Mexico, more than 5,000 lives were taken last year, including police, public officials, journalists and bystanders, with seemingly little regard for age, social status or nationality
• Mutilated bodies have been draped on highway overpasses or posed in schoolyards and public squares. Authorities have uncovered mass graves known as narcofosas and body disposal sites, where killers dissolved corpses in barrels of chemicals.
• At least 40 Americans were among those killed and dumped in gruesome methods favored by cartel killers, the Chronicle found. Two Texan teens were victims of an American serial killer in Nuevo Laredo, who bragged to a friend in a recorded cell phone call that he stewed their remains in vats.
• Recent border victims include at least 15 U.S.-born children and teenagers.
• A wave of killings in Juarez — a stunning 1,600 victims in 2008 and more than 210 so far this year — took the lives of three Americans in three weeks, including an El Paso nurse and her physician assistant friend who were showered with bullets on Nov. 22 as they drove in a funeral procession for her sister, who was a victim of an earlier slaying.
• Few killers get caught. Nationally, only 20 percent of homicide cases in Mexico result in arrests, according to a Chronicle analysis of data from the Citizens’ Safety Institute, a Mexico City-based nonprofit that surveys Mexican prosecutors nationwide.
• In addition to those killed, as many as 75 Americans, mainly from Texas and California, remain missing in Mexico, based on FBI data.

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* Scratching head *

[Trumplestiltskin 5,791]

* Scratching head *

I think a ####### is called for.

[HAL 9000 96]

Can't say I'm surprised in any measurable way.

[w¡n9Nµ7 §£@¥€r 123]

How about in an intangible, qualitative way?

[Heracles 417]

I must have missed the implication. The only point we made (and reiterated) was that when in an unfamiliar country it pays to be aware of one's surroundings.

Funny how when it comes to others then your view of what they posted is final and their explanation is irrelevant. Yet when it comes to yourself, clarification of one's point is okay and encouraged of course.

I love these games with you guys. The gotcha yet beat around the bush and never substantiate my own view approach. Apparently the groups procedure for having a discussion is rebut the other but never actually prove your own view.

[HAL 9000 96]

How about in an intangible, qualitative way?

Oh only in the imaginary numbers sort of way!

[Trumplestiltskin 5,791]

I must have missed the implication. The only point we made (and reiterated) was that when in an unfamiliar country it pays to be aware of one's surroundings.

Funny how when it comes to others then your view of what they posted is final and their explanation is irrelevant. Yet when it comes to yourself, clarification of one's point is okay and encouraged of course.

I love these games with you guys. The gotcha yet beat around the bush and never substantiate my own view approach. Apparently the groups procedure for having a discussion is rebut the other but never actually prove your own view.

Blame yourself for your atrocious reading comprehension.

Edited February 9, 2009 by Paul Daniels