US Economy lost another 533,000 jobs in Nov.

[Heracles 417]

Yeah - that's classic BY reasoning that is...

There is nothing classic about it. Can you walk the talk?

Someone coming from UK yet suggesting that the US has no difference in culture, attitude or morality to that of the UK is simply full of it. You guys are nothing alike. Heck, Australians are probably more like Americans than Britts. What is the murder rate in the UK per 100,000? now compare that to the US. Or does that have nothing to do with morality? Drug abuse then? Empathy then?

Edit: Issues are not black or white. Every part of a society, of a country, is intertwined with one another.

Edited December 5, 2008 by Aficionado

[Heracles 417]

For example, sub-prime scam (greed) equals job loss for 1,900,000 Americans. Whereas Australians and Canadians are doing just fine. Or do you think this comes down to luck six?

Edited December 5, 2008 by Aficionado

[Trumplestiltskin 5,791]

Clearly everything is anecdotal unless one of your buddies makes a statement. Then, obviously, it is fact and well thought out.

You don't really think about this stuff very had do you.

You make a wildly unsupportable statement (that the US as a whole is "morally bankrupt") and back it up with spurious declarations of anecdotal support from unnamed Brits (which in your mind seems to translate to "most Brits").

Yeah - that's classic BY reasoning that is...

There is nothing classic about it. Can you walk the talk?

Someone coming from UK yet suggesting that the US has no difference in culture, attitude or morality to that of the UK is simply full of it. You guys are nothing alike. Heck, Australians are probably more like Americans than Britts. What is the murder rate in the UK per 100,000? now compare that to the US. Or does that have nothing to do with morality? Drug abuse then? Empathy then?

Edit: Issues are not black or white. Every part of a society, of a country, is intertwined with one another.

That's not what you said though. You said the US is "morally bankrupt".

[Trumplestiltskin 5,791]

For example, sub-prime scam (greed) equals job loss for 1,900,000 Americans. Whereas Australians and Canadians are doing just fine. Or do you think this comes down to luck six?

It comes down to economic policy - it does not prove that US is a "morally bankrupt" country any more than the Stolen Generation or the Amritsar massacre proves that Australia and Britain are morally corrupt countries.

[Heracles 417]

That's not what you said though. You said the US is "morally bankrupt".

Must be a left wing thing where you guys have a talent for taking statements out of proportion and turning them into basically whatever you want to hear.

When compared to Australia, Canada and the UK yes the country does suffer from a lack of morality. If you disagree with that then so be it. This is my opinion based on personal experience. Show me why you disagree rather than pulling a stereotypical six move and asking others to prove their points 24/7 and saying they are invalid because they are not backed by some study. Which even if there was, you would discredit anyway.

For example, lets consider someone (VW) posts that BMW builds the best cars. I picked VW because you never disagree with your pals, ever actually. Rather than simply disagreeing and demanding she justify her views, why not try for a change to state why you (PD) disagree and which car you believe is better built. Pretty boring to have a conversation with someone who you can predict their responses (rebuttal) to everything.

Edit: State your opinion as in why you disagree and prefer another manufacturer rather than you take or opinion of the poster and their views.

Edited December 5, 2008 by Aficionado

[Trumplestiltskin 5,791]

Moral bankruptcy isn't something that can be proven, neither is the conclusion that declaring that you are American will get abuse hurled at you in Europe.

But I suspect you'd have more to say if I denounced Australia as home to belligerent, intolerant and angry people - using you and Wogboy as examples of the "average Australian male".

That's basically what you're doing.

Edited December 5, 2008 by Paul Daniels

[웃 910]

If my streak continues then I will start a new thread tracking my investments. Today alone I just paid for the AOS fee and a few dinners at nice restaurants.

Stock tip of the day and into next week = HIG

[Peikko 1,575]

Perhaps BY needs to try a dose of Somalia or a similar country where the fabric of society pretty much has broken down? It seems that 'moral bancruptcy' to BY is this idea that the acceptance of non christian values (allowing gay people some rights for example) is what is being alluded to - although mind you that pretty much puts the UK out the picture too. Hey ho BY, hey ho.

[Peikko 1,575]

I'm still failing to grasp how this has any relevance to the state of the economy either. Although, I have to say that the actions of the banks that have been playing house of cards and chicken with each other should be guilty of a criminal offense, but probably aren't as there is no 'law' that they have broken. Now that is something that needs to be fixed.

[Heracles 417]

Moral bankruptcy isn't something that can be proven, neither is the conclusion that declaring that you are American will get abuse hurled at you in Europe.

But I suspect you'd have more to say if I denounced Australia as home to belligerent, intolerant and angry people - using you and Wogboy as examples of the "average Australian male".

That's basically what you're doing.

Vice versa, so why do you insist on discrediting someone's views when you yourself cannot justify your own. Or is nobody allowed to have an opinion unless it conforms to that of your own. If you said to me I dislike warm weather so I would never move to Aus, by default, I would accept that as your opinion. Unlike yourself on the other hand, I am not going to sit here and demand that you prove the weather is hot. Or say you are generalizing and that other places have similar hot weather. If you noticed whenever I have defend Australia I have done so with facts rather the rhetoric. Reminds me of the cultural threads I have wasted time in thinking you would have a legitimate discussion rather than the you are racist or generalizing.

EG PD: I loath Australians because they are crude. (your opinion)

My response: Well they seem to have done well for themselves considering abc, def, ghi, jlk etc. (not mocking your opinion rather rebutting with actual impersonal responses)

Whereas a discussion with six:

Me: The inner city poor need to do more to improve their situation. Which starts with attitude. (opinion)

Your response: You are racist and generalizing or don't know anything. (personal attack, which never actually addresses or disproves the above opinion)

Much like a debate, if I was to rebut someone I usually have a reason for rebutting rather than saying you are wrong. Clearly to you discrediting a post or simply rebutting qualifies for a legitimate discussion. Something you have done for a while now.

Edited December 5, 2008 by Aficionado

[Heracles 417]

Looks like we need to go back to high school and learn the rules of debating: Keep it impersonal, remove emotion, discuss the facts and have a point when rebutting; rather than personal innuendos.

Edited December 5, 2008 by Aficionado

[HAL 9000 96]

Can all pledge to do so?

[Trumplestiltskin 5,791]

Did you just a mental implosion there?

That is a crazy process of reasoning you have there BY

[Peikko 1,575]

Ah, you see I was right all along, BY reads what he wants to see, not what is written Have fun kids

[Trumplestiltskin 5,791]

As for the racism BY - its hard to conceive why you find the accusation so outrageous - given that you have made statements to the effect that the problems faced in places like Somalia, Sudan or Congo seem to have something to do with being black - and that presumably there is some "cultural link" between the lawlessness and civil war in those countries and the social problems inherent in the urban centers of this country.

But this is all going rather O/T and pandering to whininess and misplaced feelings of victimization.

Edited December 5, 2008 by Paul Daniels