Baby beaten, burned and drugged

[Trumplestiltskin 5,791]

I'm not denying anything - simply that your entire argument thus far has relied on media presentation as a means of judging social changes. Its a flawed way of looking at things - for all the reasons that I've said.

You don't seem capable or willing to quantify (or qualify for that matter) anything in relation to backing up your claims. And when pushed - you change the argument completely to something totally different that doesn't even tie in to your original statements.

I am not going to bother asking what qualifies as substantiated research under your 'standards. The media's job is to report the news. It is up to us to make a logical assumption based on the facts presented to us. Rather than jump on the moronic the big bad corporate media is stupid and out to get us mentality.

Whenever discussing something you seem to confuse my unwillingness to show you proof of my view as it being weak and unsubstantiated. Or was it anecdotal. But anyway, in reality it is merely a case of me choosing not to spend time proving a point to someone I do not know anything about in a visa forum.

I don't buy it. After all you seem to be spending rather a long time elaborating on the point. If you feel that strongly about it - you would surely have something more substantial to support you view than merely what you read on the news and what other people told you. You might object to the terminology all you like - but objecting to the prescence of a couple of words in a sentence doesn't do a whole lot for your argument. Besides - there are plenty of synonyms

As I told you - if you want to compare past with present with a view to discussing social trends, a good starting point would be with comparing some statistical data between different decades.

I'm not sure I understand why suggesting this to you amounts to such a 'challenge'.

[Heracles 417]

That is for the City of Los Angeles - as any fule no (and you know all about LA and the people there), what is commonly referred to as "Los Angeles" includes several cities and unincorporated towns such as Inglewood, Hollywood, Santa Monica, Inglewood, Compton, Watts, Venice, Marina Del Rey, etc. The population of this urban community is 10 million.

Wow double Sydney's. That is huge!!

Nonetheless, therefore the crime rate there should only be double sydney's? Apparently last time I checked there are no cribs, MS13 etc in Sydney, No??

Edited March 4, 2008 by Boo-Yah!

[Trumplestiltskin 5,791]

Seems to suggest otherwise.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Los_Angeles,_California

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sydney

That is for the City of Los Angeles - as any fule no (and you know all about LA and the people there), what is commonly referred to as "Los Angeles" includes several cities and unincorporated towns such as Inglewood, Hollywood, Santa Monica, Inglewood, Compton, Watts, Venice, Marina Del Rey, etc. The population of this urban community is 10 million.

Agreed. The LA valley is a very very large place.

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Apparently last time I checked there are no cribs, MS13 etc in Sydney, No??

cribs, lol!!!!!!!!

Edited March 4, 2008 by VJ Troll

[Heracles 417]

1 in 100 people is in prison here and you guys are trying to say things have not changed.

I guess it must have been the same in the old days hey..

Apparently last time I checked there are no cribs, MS13 etc in Sydney, No??

cribs, lol!!!!!!!!

I am not and exposed to gangs as you guys in Jersiii.. So crips for you..

[Trompe le Monde 1,107]

Apparently last time I checked there are no cribs, MS13 etc in Sydney, No??

cribs, lol!!!!!!!!

Are these the cribs? (I realize the colors is wrong)

[Trumplestiltskin 5,791]

1 in 100 people is in prison here and you guys are trying to say things have not changed.

I guess it must have been the same in the old days hey..

Another news headline... though I'll admit one's that got more of a basis to it than the outrage stories you usually put up.

I don't think anyone here is of the opinion that society is static - rather that the media distorts perceptions of how things really are.

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The only dangerous cribs are the ones from China....

[Heracles 417]

1 in 100 people is in prison here and you guys are trying to say things have not changed.

I guess it must have been the same in the old days hey..

Another news headline... though I'll admit one's that got more of a basis to it than the outrage stories you usually put up.

I don't think anyone here is of the opinion that society is static - rather that the media distorts perceptions of how things really are.

Seems to be a lot of people still watching and reading the stuff the media brings out.

I never realized the media made that up. Maybe you can introduce me to your reliable news source.

[Trumplestiltskin 5,791]

1 in 100 people is in prison here and you guys are trying to say things have not changed.

I guess it must have been the same in the old days hey..

Another news headline... though I'll admit one's that got more of a basis to it than the outrage stories you usually put up.

I don't think anyone here is of the opinion that society is static - rather that the media distorts perceptions of how things really are.

Seems to be a lot of people still watching and reading the stuff the media brings out.

I never realized the media made that up. Maybe you can introduce me to your reliable news source.

I never said they made it up. I said that the media overreports violent crime and creates an impression that it is more prevalent than it actually is.

[Heracles 417]

I never said they made it up. I said that the media overreports violent crime and creates an impression that it is more prevalent than it actually is.

Ahh, is that what it is. So the x shot every single day reported in the news is simply a case of being "over-reported". I guess the same logic must also apply to the 17,000 murdered here when compared to a a few hundred in the UK. As well as the incarceration rate being so much higher; even though the US population is only 5 times larger than the UK.

PS Let me know if these statistics are up to your standards for being used in an argument..

Edited March 4, 2008 by Boo-Yah!

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Speaking of gangs...

In "Love and Consequences," a critically acclaimed memoir published last week, Margaret B. Jones wrote about her life as a half-white, half-Native American girl growing up in South-Central Los Angeles as a foster child among gang-bangers, running drugs for the Bloods.

The problem is that none of it is true.

Margaret B. Jones is a pseudonym for Margaret Seltzer, who is all white and grew up in the well-to-do Sherman Oaks section of Los Angeles, in the San Fernando Valley, with her biological family. She graduated from the Campbell Hall School, a private Episcopal day school in the North Hollywood neighborhood. She has never lived with a foster family, nor did she run drugs for any gang members. Nor did she graduate from the University of Oregon, as she had claimed.

http://www.iht.com/articles/2008/03/04/arts/04fake.php

[Nearly Done 8]

My prayers go out to this little angel  and her sibling, how awful  How can one hurt someone so precious!

Give me 5 mins with the people who did this , it makes me so mad!!

[Heracles 417]

Speaking of gangs...

Apparently this is almost a carbon copy of the 40's and 50's. When I spoke to the some older folk the other day they where saying how there where hoods everywhere back then. Just chilin and shootin n ####...

Interesting first few minutes. Awesome place that LA..

Edited March 4, 2008 by Boo-Yah!

[Trumplestiltskin 5,791]

I never said they made it up. I said that the media overreports violent crime and creates an impression that it is more prevalent than it actually is.

Ahh, is that what it is. So the x shot every single day reported in the news is simply a case of being "over-reported". I guess the same logic must also apply to the 17,000 murdered here when compared to a a few hundred in the UK. As well as the incarceration rate being so much higher; even though the US population is only 5 times larger than the UK.

Its really quite simple. If violent crime amounts to lets say 25% of all crime, and within that 6-8% is related to s*xual offences - and within that 2% involve crimes against children (offhand I'm not sure what the official stats are - but they are proportionally low as a picture of the national crime rate), yet 40%-50% of daily news reporting is focussed on crime stories involving stories involving crimes against children - it creates the false impression that there is more of it going on than there is - and if you ask someone on the street what they think about it they might tell you, for example, that its a national epidemic.

This has already been demonstrated - there have been studies done showing that womens fear of rape greatly outweighs the likelihood of its actual occurrence - and that young men are actually more likely to be mugged.

As I said comparing countries has absolutely nothing to do with your original point - which was change over time in the same country. Going on about the UK or Australia doesn't prove your original contention - its a total diversion.